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silvercove , in ...

Electric cars are to save automobile industry profits. Not the planet.

If you want to save the planet, then ride a bicycle.

steinbring ,
@steinbring@kbin.social avatar

... or walk?

Fewer CO2 emissions is a good goal if you are going to buy a car. Keeping it as long as possible is a better goal.

GissaMittJobb ,

… or walk?

Both have their role. Walking is appropriate for local short trips, while bicycles allow you to cover more distance, and is in turn superseded by transit in potential distance covered, while still being a low emissions mode of transportation.

Fewer CO2 emissions is a good goal if you are going to buy a car. Keeping it as long as possible is a better goal.

If the infrastructure allows for it where you live, going car-free is an even better goal for reducing CO2-emissions, and is only one of a long list of benefits of not traveling by car.

Barring that, voting and influencing politicians that can build infrastructure enabling more car-free lives is a good step in the right direction.

GBU_28 ,

Sounds great if you don’t have to commute many miles 2 times per day in an area with no public transit.

All just to keep the roof over your head

7bicycles ,

Yeah the long commute is of course an immuteable fact of life and cannot be changed

GBU_28 ,

Yes, for many it cannot. For many job shopping is a luxury.

7bicycles ,

I’m thinking societal changes not individualist ones. Think bigger, who the fuck enjoys a long commute?

GBU_28 ,

Original comment I replied to said “save the planet, ride a bicycle” and my reply related to that.

I’d love a combination teleporter/blowjob machine but for now a shorter commute would be a treat

7bicycles ,

but for now a shorter commute would be a treat

This is achievable though is my point

GBU_28 ,

For many, job shopping is a luxury, and moving is a very high cost.

You’re expressing a privileged opinion.

That’s ok, we all have them, but what seems logical and obvious to some, is a simple impossibility to others.

7bicycles ,

Why are you so into solving this on an individualist basis, I made it pretty clear I’m talking societal changes here

GBU_28 , (edited )

Because individuals buy and use cars, and the original comment I replied to implored commuters not to use evs and adopt a public transit /bike only lifestyle.

My comment discussed the pressures of life on the individual.

7bicycles ,

Because individuals buy and use cars, and the original comment I replied to implored commuters not to use evs and adopt a public transit /bike only lifestyle.

Yeah if you really want to interpret it that way, it’s just a slogan man

AOCapitulator ,
@AOCapitulator@hexbear.net avatar

What they were implying with their statement was that your life was made to be this way by the decisions of dead capitalists who caused infrastructure and the way we live our lives to be this way so that they could make money

Housing laws caused suburban sprawl which has been worsened, at least in the US, by utterly foolish parking minimum laws. Thats why you have a commute like this, because cars were forced on us instead of trains, biking, and walking.

GBU_28 ,

Ew hexbear.

AOCapitulator ,
@AOCapitulator@hexbear.net avatar

LOL

andthenthreemore ,
@andthenthreemore@startrek.website avatar

True, but given the right government policy the provision of high quality, high speed, highly affordable public transport very much can be changed.

what_is_a_name ,

Two failures do not make a right.

The point above stands. EVs do little for the environment. Compared to sensible options like transit and biking and walking they are marginally better, but hm hardly at all.

GBU_28 ,

They reduce emissions in a neighborhood, in driveways and such, and they reduce sound pollution, which is great for local creatures.

They shift power generation to more efficient platforms, rather than messy, poorly maintained gas engines.

Battery production and recycling is a major issue.

For those who cannot walk or bike, an affordable ev is a great choice

what_is_a_name ,

You’re just reiterating my points. Yes they are better. And for people without a choice living in car dependent he’ll holes - an improvement.

But the fact that you live in a car dependent he’ll hole is another failure of our society - and prevents you from using much better options.

We should be addressing the root cause. Not the symptom.

In functional societies, EVs are a small improvement. The noise and carcinogen pollution, land use impact and simple danger to soft street users are key damages ALL cars make to spaces occupied by people.

Finally - I am tired of “we need cars for those with impairments / to reliever things / other bullshit.” We do not. It’s just the completely broken car-dependent American perspective.

GBU_28 ,

Lol, we agree more than you think, but your despising incremental progress gets you nowhere. “But it isn’t progress! It’s not going the way I want it to go!” Sorry but you’re looking down the barrel of decades worth of small changes to get to any American future you’re seeking.

America is a big place, with many differing environments, governments, and needs. They aren’t all going to “get there” in unison, or in a hurry.

In the mean time, quit shaming people trying to benefit their local system, and trying to conduct their lives in the way they see best, while keeping their gone and feeding their family.

When I see a Prius driving around I know that could have been a misused ferd f-teen thousand truck, which lives it’s life commuting and getting groceries. I’ll take the Prius.

MystikIncarnate ,

Seems to me like having to drive many miles to maintain a job that can pay enough to maintain your fairly far afield home (assuming the home costs less because it’s not in the same geography as the office) is a failure of the system as a whole and the company for not making their office work better for their workers.

I mean, unless you have a storefront or regularly have to go to specific places as part of your job, like lawyers going to the court house, then why tf does the company pay for very expensive offices in the middle of a metro area? Put the offices where the workers can actually live near it.

I work in IT, I go to the office to stare at a PC for 8 hours. Something I can literally do anywhere, but instead of IDK, working from home or having distributed offices spaces so people don’t have to drive as far, my companies only office is in the middle of a major Metro’s downtown in a high rise office for a massive amount of money. So now I have to pay, out of my pocket and time, to drive through downtown traffic, to a parking spot that costs me far too much monthly, so I can simply be physically there to do a job that only requires a PC and an internet connection.

It’s all fucking stupid… And every company seems to do this. Nobody ever comes to our offices and there’s literally no reason for them to be where they are, or for me to be there.

Surface_Detail ,

Hard to carry a TV on a bicycle, or transport loads to the recycling centre, or drop my kids off at school or any one of a thousand things that occur day to day.

Our world redesigned itself with the invention of cars. Trying to exist without them is very hard for your average family, especially those who live outside cities.

darcy ,
@darcy@sh.itjust.works avatar

how often do you seriously carry a tv? and believe it or not, most kids can ride a bike, or even walk!

Surface_Detail ,

Great, well I have a six year old that needs to get to his school which is about a mile and a half away and I need to get to work 20 mins after which is about three miles in the other direction.

I then also need to do his pickup during my lunch break.

Most people’s lives don’t work without a car because that’s not the society that car ownership created.

silvercove ,

If you live in a backwards place this may be so. I can do all of those things without a car.

Surface_Detail ,

It’s a town of 90k people. The kind of town that the vast majority of people in the UK live in.

Just out of curiosity how can you transport something large and bulky, that isn’t allowed on public transport, let’s say furniture, or the remains of a shed you dismantled or any one of a hundred inconvenient loads that occur during your life without a car?

silvercove ,

Carsharing or you call a transport company. You don’t actually need to own a car.

Surface_Detail ,

Someone needs to own a car still.

And that someone can’t be available every day when I need to do two school runs and an office trip.

That someone can’t always be available when the sink springs a leak and I need to go buy some new washers and plumber’s mait.

I really question your life experience at this point. If you’re single, childless and living in a big city, sure, cars are very unnecessary. For most people this isn’t the case

7bicycles ,

And that someone can’t be available every day when I need to do two school runs and an office trip.

Listen I think if you have to carry furniture and shed remains to the school and office daily I don’t think transportation options is the real problem

thisNotMyName ,

Ever heard of cargo bikes? I just own a trailer and that bad boy can carry so much shit, I am amazed every time I use it.

WheeGeetheCat , in ...
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SternburgExport ,

It does

schnokobaer ,

Very good. Bottom panel could also read “to save the automotive industry ☝️”

baseless_discourse , (edited )

Electric cars are here to save the car industry, not the environment.

The most environmentally friendly car is the car you already have, and the most environmentally friendly (also safest, healthiest, quietest, just in general the most considerate) way to get from point A to point B is by walking, biking, bus, or train.

The only time EV saves the environment is when all of the following are met:

  • your old car is completely gone,
  • there is zero way to get to where you need to be without a car,
  • and you have been fighting for good transport and safe bike lane all along.
AspieEgg ,

I bought an electric car because it was a better car for my needs. I got a good deal on it. Electric cars have fewer, simpler moving parts. They require fewer oil changes and don’t have to deal with heat dissipation. I can also have it plugged into my house each night, which means I always have a “full tank” every morning. I can set the heat or air conditioning to come on on a schedule because it doesn’t produce carbon monoxide. The car is much quieter and drives a lot smoother.

They have a lot of benefits, but they don’t exactly save the environment. Lithium mining is very destructive to the local environment and it’s done in countries with questionable ethics around worker health and safety. Most experts agree that over the lifespan of a car, electric cars are better for the world environment than gas vehicles, but if you really want to make an impact on the environment, taking public transit or biking or walking or other forms of micro-mobility would actually make a way bigger impact. And if those kinds of things are difficult where you live, you should really be supporting public policy to make that better.

7777AKA , in its even more outdated

Signal is the best.

El_Rocha ,

The thing it’s missing the most is better multi device support and an updated desktop client.

For me, I think Matrix is more complete (specially since it backs-up your chats and media encrypted). The only thing it’s lacking (at least Element specific) is encrypted chat search support on mobile.

7777AKA ,

Signal client looks optimized on MacOS and Linux i don’t use Windows so not sure what’s going on there

hemko ,

+1 for linux cluent, absolutely no complaints

7777AKA ,

I register my Signal on off-shore phone number and i use it over MullvadVPN with multi-hop so i think is pretty private this way

El_Rocha ,

I use it for linux. Recently there was a bug where if you had a chat opened, it would pin one core to 100% usage. It also lacks feature parity with the mobile client (ex: gif search and send).

7777AKA ,

Well Signal Desktop client and Server is running on Java 🥲🥲🥲

MoonshineBrew ,

I use it on windows. The client is totally fine for the most part.

Though for some reason it regularly screws up the device-connection, forcing me to reconnect the device, loosing access to every old message. Seems to be a rare bug though, as my family also uses the windows client and theirs never has this problem (out of 8 device 1 has this problem)

CoderKat ,

Yeah, it sucks that if I were using Signal only on my phone and eventually decide to start using it on desktop, it doesn’t sync any conversation history, resulting in the desktop client showing nothing from before you set it up. It should have older devices send history to new ones. If you’re permanently switching devices, are you losing that history for good?

hydration9806 ,

Nope, you can backup the chats and import them when installing Signal on the new device

gvasco ,

Hadn’t thought of that!

ReadyUser30 ,

What matrix is missing is anyone that I know. Ultimately that is way more important than features in a messaging client.

El_Rocha ,

In my personal experience, everyone who has an account with Signal also has with Matrix. The main issue for me is who has an account at all.

QuazarOmega ,

In turn you can bet that who has one on Matrix will have one on Session, SimpleX and at least other 10 apps you’ve never heard about

NENathaniel ,
@NENathaniel@lemmy.ca avatar

I’ve used signal for ages but didn’t know what Matrix was until Lemmy tbh

gvasco ,

It has bridges for most messaging services so you could use a matrix frontend for most of your messaging needs without having people on matrix so long as the server admin has set up those extensions

Sackbut ,

There’s no way that we can have a mainstream alternative to imessage if we keep declaring a new app or protocol the new best one every two years.

El_Rocha ,

I think have settled into what they know.

I think that iMessage is only prevelant in North America. Here in Europe (Portugal, at least), everyone uses Whatsapp.

wheeldawg ,

iMessage can’t be “the mainstream” app by locking out most of the world tho. Plus it is definitely the ugliest thing Apple has ever made in its lifetime that I know of.

QuazarOmega ,

Hopefully the new MLS for app interoperability will ease the adoption of any newer app

dandroid ,

All Google needs to do is make a public RCS API. Then we will have all the important features iMessage has on Android via regular texting. I have no fucking clue why they are making RCS exclusive to their messaging app.

4nix ,
@4nix@feddit.de avatar

SimpleX or Matrix are way better

7777AKA ,

Session is good too but is only used by IT people… Signal is used by lawyers and many more

jack ,

SimpleX >>>> Matrix

wheeldawg ,

I don’t think it’s really a chat app. Isn’t it just a text replacement? Or does it just use that number as your ID to use it? I have it, but only ever used it with one guy.

OutOfMemory ,

It has lots of nice features over SMS: read/typing notifications, image/video support, proper groups, message expiration. I think that makes it a chat app

superfes ,

I have all those features with Google Messages (as long as I’m not talking to an iPhone user).

Signal’s UI has improved a lot though. Still I only know one person that uses it.

wheeldawg ,

I was implying mms as well. Didn’t know about the other additions. I only knew one person with it, and we haven’t spoken in years.

NENathaniel ,
@NENathaniel@lemmy.ca avatar

Still waiting for the ability to log in one two phones, and ideally also uncompressed photo/file sending

But yea Signal is great

DmMacniel , in History repeating itself

The entire world is leaning so fricking right its saddening :(

HonoraryMancunian ,

It’s the only way to stop the evil transes and immigrants, they scare my tiny tiny mind

WtfEvenIsExistence ,

Don’t you know about the evil immigrants, ethnic minorities, and gay/lesbian-transgenders that are… checks notes just living their lives and not bothering anyone else.

Waaaaaah such evilness, I’m scared 😭

/s

DmMacniel ,

They are standing there… menacingly! Think of the children!!

Rainmanslim ,

Nice strawman there chief.

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Yeah. The far right party just won a lot of seat from the progressive one in my country. That doesn’t feel good.

Meas34Melon45 OP ,
@Meas34Melon45@lemmy.world avatar

which country?

abbadon420 ,

All of them

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Malaysia. We just had state election yesterday and the religion + racial supremacist party is making inroad toward the more progressive state.

Emerald_Triangle ,

Because of leftist bullshit.

I hope it goes more right/correct.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

Ok bench appearo. Go whine about Barbie or something.

steakmeout ,

Yeah fuck off shitcunt.

DmMacniel ,

And the right isn’t bullshit? Let’s not hang up on left and right but what do you think is bullshit?

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

All we want is people is be chill, why do people gotta be so angry at other people :(

RobertOwnageJunior ,

Is this a serious question? People aren’t really angry at other people, they are scared and angry about the situation their world is in. There’s a few really bad apples, but most people are just scared they won’t be able to pay their rent 2 years from now.

scrubbles ,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

I meant in terms of racism, sexism, homophobia. Why people gotta hate and fear “others”. Just be chill with other people

Kerred ,

I wouldn’t say leaning right but making more people care less about voting?

After all it’s easier to convince you all candidates suck than convince you to lean right?

Rainmanslim ,

It’s because the left has failed to improve people’s lives and over the last decade has alienated much of the population with identity politics and virtue signalling.

If you want the left to stop the right turn things are taking, you gotta drop the communism, the identity politics and the virtue signalling and ficus entirely on workers unions and environmentalism. Those are the past 2 areas where the left can not only hold full sway but has a lot of public support from those who are put off by the earlier mentioned things.

lateraltwo ,

I don’t like what you are saying but it’s actually correct. Abandon idealisms and embrace pragmatisms to combat the anti minority rhetoric

DmMacniel ,

And you believe that the right will change everything to the better? By doing what? Continue the same exact course but with a now clearly visible brown coat?.

Why the communism?

Sekoia , in *insert "bomb them" sound effect*

I’m assuming this is referring to JSO.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Stop_Oil

Beginning on 1 April, they carried out England-wide blockades of ten critical oil facilities, intending to cut off the supply of petrol to South East England.[33][34][35]

On 26 August, the group blocked seven petrol stations in Central London and vandalised fuel pumps. Forty-three people around London were arrested on suspicion of criminal damage.

On 20 June, the protestors spray painted private jets at a private airfield at Stansted Airport. The group had been targeting a jet belonging to singer Taylor Swift, but could not locate it.[140]

Yes, a lot of their protests are “awareness” stuff (basically none of which do actual damage. Unlike oil, actually!). No, it’s not just that. The UK isn’t an active warzone so bombing stuff is slightly more difficult to justify.

li10 ,

I do question the awareness they’re raising tho, it’s not getting people on their side. It’s not. Full stop.

It’s pushing people away and distracting from the actual issue. People liked the private jet attack, people fucking loathed the stone henge stunt.

Just stop oil is a news topic for Talk TV and GB news to make people hate the idea of protecting the environment, and it’s working.

conditional_soup ,

If you’ve got better ideas, we need them, get out there and get on it. As it is, we’re sleepwalking into catastrophe.

jonne ,

They did say what works and what doesn’t. Attack private jets and block oil refineries, don’t spray paint Stonehenge or paintings. It’s not hard to figure out what’s going to be popular and what isn’t.

naevaTheRat ,
@naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

NOBODY SPRAYPAINTED STONEHENGE

they threw corn starch on it. Corn starch.

actually loads of people do spraypaint stone henge, but JSO didn’t.

jonne ,

Yeah, people don’t care that it washes off easily, they don’t hear about that part, the point is that those actions aren’t popular, painting/blocking private jets is, so just do more of that instead?

naevaTheRat ,
@naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

How many times have your heard about them painting private jets in the news?

jonne ,

There’s that one time they did it, also the time they breached the private jetway in Schiphol and cycled around. Not sure if it happened more times.

naevaTheRat ,
@naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Did you know about this before searching it out? Their other activities?

How many articles did it get in major papers approx? How many days reporting?

jonne ,

I didn’t search it out, that’s what I remember from it being reported on at the time, ie. the thing you asked me about.

yetAnotherUser ,

Hardly anyone supports painting/blocking private jets. Remember, nearly everyone believes they’re just temporarily embarassed millionaires.

Darorad ,

Nobody hears about them shutting down oil factories, attention getting stuff is why those are talked about.

They never do any actual harm either, like Stonehenge was cornstarch, it’ll all be gone the next time it rains. They paint the glass in front of paintings, not the paintings themselves.

lone_faerie ,

Defacing art is a historical form of protest. The Suffragettes vandalized multiple paintings which are now memorialized for it.

womensarttours.com/slashing-venus-suffragettes-an…

li10 ,

My better idea is to not do dumb shit that actively turns people (voters) against the cause. Egg some politicians, paint some private jets, people love that shit.

Besides just saying “AwArEnEsS”, what does JSO actually achieve?

Every single person on the planet is aware of climate change, what we actually need to do is convince people to take action. JSO actively convinces people to vote against action on climate change.

Sekoia ,

… The root of the thread you’re replying’s main body is stuff JSO has actually achieved.

li10 ,

The point I’m trying to make is that despite the good stuff they may do, it’s overshadowed by the dumb shit that’s turning people against the cause.

Those actions didn’t achieve much, and I’d say anything they did achieve has been undone by their other antics.

Do you know anyone who has been convinced by JSO to take more action against climate change? It’s only people who are already onboard cheering them on.

I know a few people who have become more anti green because of JSO, and general consensus among anyone I know is that JSO is doing more harm than good.

bloodfart ,

I have been convinced.

I used to think like you, that it’s counterproductive, but if anything they’re not going far enough.

someacnt_ ,

So sad we cannot bomb the oil facilities.

petrol_sniff_king ,

I know a few people who have become more anti green because of JSO,

And you let them? What kind of limp-dick shit is this.

pingveno ,

Every single person on the planet is aware of climate change

I’m still trying to get my husband’s uncle to get off his easy out of “well I guess it’s happening, but humans didn’t cause it.” He, along with a lot of other people, are in an echo chamber. Obviously plopping pigment on monuments isn’t going to do shit to convince them, but I don’t know what will.

far_university1990 ,

Bomb them

Potatisen ,

“Full Stop”, lol.

Is that the current temper tantrum buzzword?

I’m sure it is, FULL STOP!

li10 ,
sensiblepuffin ,
@sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. It belies the fact that they don’t want to think about anything past surface-level reactionary takes.

grrgyle ,

I didn’t loathe it.

als , (edited )

The reason they stopped directly targeting oil infrastructure in the UK is because the oil/gas giants bought injunctions (private laws) banning protest near them, leading to people going to prison for holding signs on a grass verge outside an oil refinery.

Sekoia ,

Wow, I didn’t know that! That’s absolutely wild

Zerush , in Windows 7
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

I like THIS Windows

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

Woah cool website, I don’t how’d you know about this but thanks you

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

How? Using Internet since more than 25 Years result in only ignoring the most new pages.

zaphod ,

Nice, even moving the computer into the trash worked as expected.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Even a community in GitHub with forks, mods and plug-ins.

github.com/win93-community/awesome-win93

SuperEars ,

That’s kind of overwhelming to me. It’s like there’s no bottom to that rabbit hole. I love it and I have so many questions.

Aussiemandeus ,
@Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone avatar

I love this, I wasted so much time on my phone. The Playstation start up sound was amazing. I need to open it on a conputer

perishthethought ,

Half-Life 3 confirmed

Oh yeah, that’s gooooood…

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

The Doom (Gafa 3D) really works like the original, with some “differences”.

Baku ,

Vulve is my favourite company. Can’t wait for their new game store, stamp, to come out!

Salvo , in Saving people is illegal
@Salvo@aussie.zone avatar

Considering that Ethnic Palestinians are the original Semites, and most of the Zionist are “repatriated” jewish people from all around the world, I find it ironic that they claim any sleight against them to be antisemitic.

Titan ,

There is no logic in Zionism

rockerface ,

Something something accusation is an admission

SwampYankee ,

Full disclosure, I am Jewish myself, and sorry for the book… try not to knee-jerk react to it.

I hate to partake in this genetic essentialism garbage, but Ashkenazis by and large share their paternal heritage with Sephardic Jews and other Semites, although that Semitic heritage has become somewhat diluted over time by converts in the maternal line and their descendants. My point in saying that is not to say that Zionists have any legitimate claim to Palestine - they absolutely don’t. It’s just “Ashkenazi Jews aren’t Semites” is a highly debatable and fraught claim that has the potential to lead one down a rabbit hole into actual racism, and incidentally has absolutely nothing to do with the crimes of Zionism. When I hear that implication, my mind is drawn to the adoption by antisemites (most recently Black Hebrew Israelites) of the now disproven myth that the original Semitic Jews died out and were replaced by Khazars.

I’m stopping short of calling what you said, specifically, antisemitism, but in another context a similar statement might be called a dog whistle. People can say these things unintentionally when they just don’t understand the implications. This kind of reckless use of language and ideas is at least part of why we have Jewish students on college campuses claiming they don’t feel safe. We Jews have grown up being implicitly taught to keep our ear to the ground when it comes to rising intolerance, and yes in a lot of cases that has resulted in a massive blind spot for our own intolerance, but it doesn’t mean we should ignore warning signs. Of course, as a Jew, and like you, I often scoff when I hear claims of antisemitism, and in fact I get angry about them when they conflate Jewishness with Israel & Zionism, which ironically IS antisemitism.

Now I mentioned the Khazar myth and Jewish students who don’t feel safe. The issue here is that they lack the self awareness to say, “maybe my hangups about certain things people say are a product of my own upbringing and sensitivities, rather than any intentional antisemitism on their part.” On the other hand, when people talk about Jews or Jew-adjacent issues like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, they should also have the self awareness to ask themselves “am I contributing to a climate that lets actual antisemitism fly under the radar and should I be more careful about the things I say?”

In any case, flinging accusations back and forth is unproductive. If my fellow Jews feel threatened by protestors and their words, I would recommend they approach those protestors with humility, and listen to their grievances before making assumptions about their intentions. Which is funny, because here I am Jew-splaining in response to a flippant remark in an internet comment section, but the reason is I just desperately want people to understand each other (and themselves) better.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s never right to blame the whole people of an country because of an Australopitecus which they have as president.

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

That’s not fair to Australopithecines

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Well, less against animals, any, which I avoid to use in comparisons

barsoap ,

I think most of it is just confusion inherent in the term “antisemitism”, which TBH is a bad term because it singles out a single Semitic people among many as the oppressed ones. That false focus then in turn causes a knee-jerk pendulum swing towards another extreme.

And who’s to blame? Again, Germans: The term was introduced to replace “Judenhass” (jew hatred) with something “more scientific sounding”, as recently as 1879. Damn that’s a lot of citations there. Maybe we should switch to “Jewphobia” or something.

roguetrick ,

To be sure. This sort of argument is as productive as saying the Palestinians don’t belong there because they’re actually Arabs. Neither is true. Palestinians are about as much genetically Arab as maghrebis are Arab. Both groups experienced massive culture shifts, but there was little change in actual population.

LadyAutumn , (edited )

Yeah I can definitely see how the argument about “original semites” is coming very close to outright hatred and antisemitism. We have to be more conscious of the language we use than that. We shouldn’t be making arguments in this vein but instead focusing on anti-colonial arguments. When discussing the colonialism of relocating European Jewish communities to Palestine there’s no reason to be using this kind of “race politics” language.

The relationship between Ashkenazi jews and the communities that were already present in Palestine is not something I understand very well, and more broadly the history of Ashkenazi jews as a whole is something I’m only familiar with as it relates to early 20th century European politics. It’s something I’d like to do my own research on from reliable sources to better understand how these kinds of arguments feed into genuine hatred of Jewish people.

I’m not as educated on the broader nature of antisemitic arguments as I should be. I appreciate you adding context to why some Jewish students feel unsafe with the discourse going on at the moment. Anti-Zionist action has an obligation to protect Jewish people as much as it has an obligation to protect Muslim people and ethnic Palestinians. Our goals ought to be to separate ourselves from race hierarchy and protect human rights for all. It’s critically important that in advocating against the Israeli government and the IDF that we do not tolerate anti-semitism in any form and that we reject the support of ant-semitic people wherever it appears.

SwampYankee ,

I appreciate you adding context to why some Jewish students feel unsafe with the discourse going on at the moment.

I feel like a dick talking about it with what’s going on, but it’s still important. And to be clear, we Jews who are inculcated with Zionism and the generational trauma of the Holocaust from a young age have to zealously interrogate our unconscious fears and biases. The protests provide the perfect opportunity to confront it head on if you can swallow your pride and just listen. My Arab & Muslim friends are some of the most thoughtful people I know, with strong opinions and moral convictions that come right from the deepest parts of their being. I feel as at home with them as I did in the Synagogue growing up, and I have no doubt if I were to attend a peace protest that I would find many more like them. They’re an absolute gift; I was never a supporter of Israel, but their friendship has thrown the whole thing into even sharper focus since October 7th. I hope one day the Zionists can be defeated, and from the river to the sea, all good people will finally be free.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Thank you for providing some anthropological history. I learned some stuff. 🍻

TokenBoomer ,

Anthropological history? Yakub wasn’t mentioned once.

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PsychedSy ,

The issue here is that they lack the self awareness to say, “maybe my hangups about certain things people say are a product of my own upbringing and sensitivities, rather than any intentional antisemitism on their part.”

Ah, yes. The suggestion that racial minorities just get over it. Don’t we determine racism based on the experiences and opinions of the victims?

roguetrick , (edited )

I don’t think that’s true at all. Collectively determining racism is a complex process that involves interrogating social structures and power imbalances as a whole. Minority opinions are an important part of that, perhaps the most important part, but not the only part. Intersectionality taught us how flawed that was. That’s how we got the TERFs

In this case he’s talking specifically about an intersectional issue.

SwampYankee ,

Well, yes, I suppose, and that’s why I said all the stuff I imagine you must have read before you got to that part, and the thing I said right after that, too.

ipkpjersi ,

I find it ironic that they claim any sleight against them to be antisemitic.

It’s because it’s the easiest thing they can do. If you claim someone is racist, everyone will (usually) automatically believe you.

Leylineofthevoid ,

There are no “semitic people”. The term was invented 1879 by William Marr and he definetly meant jews and not arabs.

barsoap , (edited )

Nope, earlier, it’s Göttingen school of history stuff. Essentially the bible-based alternative to Blumenbach:

II) During the time of Moses, the Semites lived partly in India, towards the Ganges, partly on the coasts of the South Sea to the Persian Gulf, in Elymais, Assyria, Chaldea, and in southern Mesopotamia, and with further expansion in some areas of Palestine, in the north and south of Arabia, finally too, but maybe not yet in Moses’s time, in Abyssinia or Ethiopia.

Which isn’t totally off compared to our modern understanding of who spoke proto-Semitic. “Semitic” as a descriptor of languages is unchallenged in linguistics because, well, symbols are arbitrary anyway and “Descendants of Shem”, as in Noah’s son, ancestor of Abraham, is not exactly a contentious thing among a group of related cultures having birthed no less than three Abrahamic religions.

Salvo ,
@Salvo@aussie.zone avatar

I think you a both right. Historically, Semites referred to a large cultural group.

Over time, it has become a nonsense word because those cultural groups have become so dilute and diverse that you can’t point at someone and say they are part of that group.

More recently, the label has become misappropriated by some sort of whacky religious nutbaggery so they can oppress other people.

Tylerdurdon , in I have a slight suspicion that it is a scam

I’m wondering if we’re at the stage where the joke is missed because the average age of users never experienced the CD.

CarbonIceDragon ,
@CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social avatar

Doesn’t the fediverse userbase trend towards being made up of millennials? I’m on the older end of gen Z myself and grew up with CDs and DVDs, so I imagine most people here are familiar with the technology.

eatham ,
@eatham@aussie.zone avatar

I’m on the younger end of gen z and still know what the are, never actually use them but we have lots. I feel most of us know what old stuff like CDs are because of the Internet tho.

VaultBoyNewVegas ,

I’m of the age where I can remember having a load of rewritable cds and DVDs plus those things that supposedly cleared up scratches now those were a scam too.

otacon239 ,

Usually the home versions were scams, but there were better quality ones out there that would remove just a little bit of the top layer, making a smooth finish again. Although deep scratches obviously couldn’t be repaired in this case.

Viking_Hippie ,

We used toothpaste and water to “cure” CD and DVD scratches lol. I swear, it (seemed like it) worked! 😄

Rhynoplaz ,

Sometimes it did! I tried it on a disc that was so messed up, I figured out couldn’t make it work any less, and wouldn’t you know, it worked for the first time in a long time. Other times, not so lucky.

ArmoredThirteen ,

Most toothpaste is slightly abrasive so depending on the scratches it can definitely work as a polish. I’d always steal my dad’s special glass polish and it was basically like toothpaste

theneverfox ,

I learned how to polish glass fiber… It’s not any different from polishing anything else, except the “sandpaper” is smoother than normal paper

Toothpaste is an abrasive… Partner it up with finer and finer abrasives and you could get a cd clearer than new

Track_Shovel ,

I had one that was a hand crank thing. It actually worked pretty well. Whenever I thought that was it for my Diablo II CD, I would run it though there and Presto: good as new.

My Xbox 1 also had this weird thing where it sounded like it was fucking eating the CD too. If it got too grumpy we would use the crank and boom: back to teabagging people in Halo.

RalphFurley ,

I used toothpaste and it never seems to completely work

Zerush OP ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

Gaming disks still exist, also music CD, even vinilos have a comeback.

perishthethought ,

Thanks. I’m calling my LPs vinilos from now on. (No /s)

Zerush OP ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

There are also rewinders for SP / LP vinilos, I think.

carpelbridgesyndrome ,

It’s probably confusing people already who never rented VHS tapes

thyme , in "Cancel Culture"

Well, yeah, but it’s not supposed to happen to them. They’re the ones who are supposed to be in charge, not just morally and ethically, but also economically. If they can get called out for their bullshit it’s a warning sign to them. Their massive privileges are being eroded and it scares the shit out of them.

dodgy_bagel ,

How much have you read about the history of religion?

If they’re not doing it to others, they’re doing it to themselves. The last time there wasn’t a Christian church leader ranting about an evil person was around year 0.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

When was the last time there wasn’t an atheist ranting about how evil Christians are?

Seems to me fundy Christians and atheists are two sides of the same obnoxious coin.

Funkytom467 ,
@Funkytom467@lemmy.world avatar

The problem is there is no edge on that coin.

You can’t really debate on whether to trust science or have faith. They are antipodal way of thinking.

One thing you could do is reduce the two to their consequences for society and pick which one is wrong using your moral instinct or personal philosophy.

(You can even do like some people and choose when to apply each one…)

But you sure won’t make people shut up about their own morals and vision for society. It’s too involving, we’re bound to be obnoxious.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

You can’t really debate on whether to trust science or have faith.

They really aren’t. Science is about understanding how things work, and religion is about pondering our place in the universe, and morals. It’s really only fundamentalists that take scriptures literally and the fundamentalist atheists that believe all religious people are fundamentalists.

The only thing worse than being cornered by someone saying “have you been saved by Jesus Christ our lord and saviour” is being stuck talking to an atheist that’ll go on for much longer about their belief that religion caused all the world’s problems. At least a religious person is capable of saying something positive now and then.

Funkytom467 ,
@Funkytom467@lemmy.world avatar

They do overlap in their goals.

God is the creator of the universe science describe. God itself, if he existed, would be a topic of science.

Science is answering our pondering about our place in the universe. We can also be scientists and create a moral belief system that’s not based on God.

Separating them is part of the compartmentalization we do to avoid conflict or our self contradictions.

Fundamentalists in both religion and atheism think the other view is wrong and should not exist. That’s very different from just recognizing we have different point of views.

And atheists aren’t all such morons to think religion is such a problem. Most atheist can respect religious people as long as they’re not fundamentalist.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Science is answering our pondering about our place in the universe. We can also be scientists and create a moral belief system that’s not based on God.

That wouldn’t be science. It would be a religion.

For most of history science was done by the religious because few other people were literate. We long ago decided it would be better to have people specialized in science, and separated science from religion. And it worked really well.

Now you want to turn science into a religion? We already know that wouldn’t work very well. Why would you want this? It seems to me you’re not really against the concept of religion you just don’t like the religions we currently have.

Science isn’t about beliefs. It depends on people being skeptical of everything. Searching for empirical evidence that’s contrary to current theories so those theories can be improved and sometimes even replaced. Science is a process. Mixing morals and beliefs into science makes for bad morals and bad science.

Funkytom467 ,
@Funkytom467@lemmy.world avatar

Science is a method to find truth by telling us how to construct proofs.

What we call rationality in general, in which science is based on, is to use proof to believe in something.

Whereas faith and so religion is believing without proof.

So as a scientist you do believe in any theory that has been proven. And of course you change your beliefs with each new information.

Believing isn’t just a word we use for religion, it also means to accept something is true.

I don’t think most scientists were religious, but for the one that were, people are never coherent, they can use science for some beliefs and religion for others even if that’s contradictory.

As for moral, i didn’t explicitly say it’s science, because it isn’t, it’s philosophy. But scientists that don’t want to believe in God and his morals have created other philosophies and morals.

Some based on the same premise of rationality as science. For which science can even be a tool.

Conversely the foundation of science always was motivated by philosophical questions about reality. And it’s application always had concerned about morals.

P.S. I don’t have faith, and i do think most current religions have bad morals and are just manipulative organizations. But most religious people are not part of them, most of them are good people. Their faith isn’t a problem for me or anyone, and can even be good driving force.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

To paraphrase Dr. Jones… Science is the search for FACT. Not truth. If it’s truth you’re are interested in the philosophy class is down the hall.

You seem to have science mixed up with philosophy. There is an argument for science being a subset of philosophy since it’s governed by a philosophy. But mixing up science with other parts of philosophy is just bad science. If you declare a theory to be the Truth then it’s impossible to make changes to that theory.

Back when it was the Earth being the center of the Universe was considered to be the truth then people have to create some crazy complicated models to explain the movement of the planets. Perhaps if they had more advanced mathematics they would have been able to accurately predict the movements of the planets while keeping the Earth at the center. But since science isn’t about The Truth, it is only concerned with theories that work, everyone switched over to the Copernicus model for the solar system because it worked.

Someone other than scientists can debate how central the role of humans (and therefore the Earth) are in universe. Science shouldn’t have to worry about having to weigh in on those debates.

If a theory best fits the evidence then that’s the theory that’s used until more evidence requires the theory be changed or replaced. The philosophical or religious ramifications are for the philosophers and theologians to discuss.

Funkytom467 , (edited )
@Funkytom467@lemmy.world avatar

You’re right, it’s probably not right way ro put it, it’s not The truth in the philosophical sens.

Although science is based on the premise such a truth exist in regard to reality. Aka what we call realism in ontology. So i think we can see science as a subset of philosophy in that sens.

However i don’t think science is just about facts, it’s also about understanding them to a point we can predict them. That’s what we call theory or model. Hence the distinction between experimental and theoretical science.

So what i really meant by truth is what we think is the true theories to explain phenomenons.

That’s why i said we adapt our beliefs to proof. We don’t know if a model is correct or not, and we say we believe it’s true if there is enough evidence.

However, what allows us to change our mind is the fact that we can’t never be 100% sure if something is true. Leaving always a possibility to correct our belief if new proof is found.

(This idea to use probability for our beliefs is based on Bayesian epistemology.)

For your exemple, Greeks already had pretty good geometrical knowledge, Ptolemy created this idea of epicyclic trajectories to explain geocentrism. Which is what the model of Copernicus would have resulted in earth’s frame of reference.

(Of course Greek’s models were not as good as Copernicus, mostly because of their obsession with finding mathematics in the universe.)

What made Galileo say his observations proved heliocentrism, and so Copernicus, is the movement of other stars around Jupiter.

But dispite being close, Copernicus model didn’t actually worked, and so neither did Ptolemy’s idea of epicycle, because they had circular trajectories.

It was Kepler, based on the observations of Tycho Brahe, who created a model that actually worked using elliptical trajectories, later formalize by Newton.

(Einstein later explained how frames of reference are all physically equal. Making geocentric frame of reference not technically wrong.)

Just to end on your last point, what i mix up isn’t science with philosophy but rather scientists. Scientists are the one that needs philosophy, they are the one concerned by moral decisions, not science itself. That’s an important distinction in most context…

orcrist ,

What do you even mean? By that standard everyone is obnoxious.

Or perhaps you think the lightweight religious folk are magically less obnoxious? I dunno.

the_third ,

As German comedian Volker Pispers said: “It’s important to know who the enemy is. If you know the enemy, every day has a proper, basic structure.”

plz1 , in I'm giving them a year until lifetime licenses start to mean nothing.

The only time I ever fell for a “lifetime” software purchase was back when Trillian (the IM client) was popular. That lasted less than 5 years. Then they released “Astas”, which was just a UI refresh, but they treated it like it was a whole new company and product. “Lifetime” is always a scam.

CosmicTurtle ,

Yup. Never ever buy lifetime licenses.

Even on software you love. Especially for software you love.

Xanvial ,

The alternative usually is subscription, is that better?

CosmicTurtle ,

If it’s for software you like, yes. Lemmy apps are a great example of this.

A lifetime license isn’t going to sustain the dev long term. If you like the app, buy a monthly subscription that gives them predictable income every month. Do a year if you feel confident about it. But honestly monthly is probably best.

For shitty corporate apps like Adobe, pirate that shit.

RaoulDook ,

No. It is not the consumer’s job to support the software developers. It is the software developers’ job to develop a product that they can make a living on.

leggettc18 ,

That’s… what the subscription cost is for. For the developer to make a living.

RaoulDook ,

You act like nobody can make a living without these bullshit subscriptions. That is simply not the case, and anyone who disagrees is brainwashed by subscription pushers. You are being fleeced like sheep with all these bullshit subscriptions.

Software developers have been around for many decades, making damn good money all over the place. Only in the recent years have the software companies turned to the subscription model for everything, because their accountants figured out it makes them more money over the long term.

Again, it is not OUR job to support them. It is THEIR job to support themselves by making a product that people want to buy. I don’t want to buy their subscriptions, so they are doing a bad job of marketing to me.

I bought Affinity Photo because their software marketing was more attractive to me than any of Adobe’s bullshit subscriptions. I will continue to use the product I paid for (once) indefinitely, and if it stops getting updates I will still be able to use it as long as I want because I control its installation locally.

Kusimulkku ,

🏴‍☠️🦜

RaoulDook ,

Nope. I’m here to tell you from 20 years of IT experience, you should definitely get perpetual licenses, whether they call them “lifetime” or not. Fuck all subscriptions.

ShortFuse ,

I’m enjoying my Plex one and Nexus Mods. The latter one was in 2013 and cost me $40. Today the yearly subscription is $70.

criitz ,

I got a Plex lifetime sub back in the day. They never got rid of it, but they did enshittify the product out from under me.

asbestos ,
@asbestos@lemmy.world avatar

Jellyfin 💪🏻

criitz ,

Im using Jellyfin now. It’s great, but it doesn’t have the same support across platforms. It was nice to have a native Plex app on the TV, Xbox, etc. I’m now just switching to Chromecasts on the TVs and teaching my wife to use the app for everything.

neo2478 ,

I tried it, but not only does the experience not feel nearly as polished, the performance is much worse than Plex in my experience.

AtariDump ,

Similar.

And no Plexamp.

4grams ,
@4grams@awful.systems avatar

Same here, although I’m still using it. It’s doing what I got it for and some of the additions are welcome (I use live TV fairly often and some friends and I are sharing libraries) but I have been concerned. What made you switch and did you find something better?

criitz ,

I still actively use Plex, but I’ve been trying Jellyfin. It’s almost there but still has some work to do to catch up to Plex fully. However, its wonderfully free from bloat. I can’t stand all the crap they’ve added to Plex. Especially when I search for content that’s IN MY LIBRARY and the result it sends me to is a streaming service I don’t even have. 😡

ITGuyLevi ,

I still find myself using Plex for its native DVR functions. NextDVR alway seemed a little bit buggier, after finally getting an IPTV source working in Plex I went back (at least for DVR stuff).

Edit: forgot to add, Plexamp and the way Plex does its sonic analysis is worth the lifetime subscription cost to me.

4grams ,
@4grams@awful.systems avatar

Yeah, I have never really used search for that same reason, I don’t have enough to lose track of anyway.

Thanks for the reply though. I hear about jellyfin a lot and my needs are simple so I’m gonna give it a go.

Zuberi ,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Plex is such ass

Agrivar ,

Scooping up a lifetime sub to Nexus, back when they were still available, might have been one of my best online moves. If a game can be modded, I will be modding it - I get SO much value from that one-time investment.

Jakeroxs ,

Facts

Kusimulkku ,

Something about paying for mods seems so wrong to me

vodka ,

You’re not paying for mods though, you’re paying for faster downloads and no ads.

Kusimulkku ,

$40 or these days $70 yearly for that?!? Jesus

vodka ,

Oh yeah I mean, it’s expensive. But if you’re very much into modding and like me don’t like your gbit download speed to be limited to 3mbit or whatever the free thing is… I get paying it.

I wouldn’t pay for what yearly costs now, but the 40eur lifetime price 10 years ago sure wasn’t a bad deal.

ShortFuse ,

Also you’re supporting modders through Donation Points. Creators get real money proportional to mod download count. The mods are still free, to clarify.

7U5K3N ,

Yep. I bought Plex pass lifetime for $60 a while back. It came with plexamp which allowed me stream music to my phone.

Which after Google play music was murdered I vowed never to do a streaming service again.

So that was worth it.

Say what you want about the direction Plex is going currently… But as of now it 100% meets my needs.

AtariDump ,

Plexamp is amazing.

lud ,

You can get Plex lifetime for around 80 USD during their occasional sales. I bought a lifetime sub for ≈80 USD on 2020-11-30

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

Lifetime is only as good as the contract terms.

TrickDacy ,

I have paid for lifetime licenses a couple times and haven’t had an issue

spencer ,

Honestly the way I always look at it is just take the lifetime cost and divide it by the yearly cost and if I think the product/license deal will exist for that long (and I’ll use it for that long) it’s worth it otherwise not. Like, I have lifetime Plex and frankly I don’t expect the, to exist forever but I like the premium features and I’ve had lifetime for long enough that I’ve saved money.

plz1 ,

Yeah, Plex lifetime was worth it.

brbposting ,

What do you mean? It was lifetime - lasted for the lifetime of the product.

Ohhh you thought they meant YOUR lifetime! Ooopsies

RobertoOberto ,

If you read the fine print, many “lifetime” warranties are like this too. They mean the “lifetime of the product” which is usually defined in the same fine print as like, 5 years or some other bullshit timespan.

Marin_Rider ,

yep I think osprey bags did something similar

psud ,

It can be your lifetime, if that’s shorter.

With physical products it can be the “reasonable lifetime” of that class of product

callouscomic , in boycott Nintendo products

I saw a lot of cool Nintendo Lego creations recently at a convention. Nothing had Nintendo names. Instead of Goomba, it was named “angry mushroom” and stuff like that.

Also Disney once told a family no multiple times regarding putting Spider-Man on their dead child’s tombstone.

Xanis , (edited )

Worked in retail awhile back. Kept having glass shit fall off displays and ends. It wasn’t TOO often, just enough to be an annoyance. They were stacking glass product on top of one another. I explained why this was a problem; they didn’t care. Some time later I came back to the bosses with an argument:

This is how much we’re charging for the product.

This is how much I make per hour.

Cleanup of said broken product takes X time.

This is how much I make in that time, or Y.

Which means a single broken product that breaks costs you Z, multiplied by the number of times it happens, plus the cost of the product itself.

This was what got their attention. These people usually aren’t human, they’re sociopaths. Remember that.

intensely_human ,

A * B * C = X

If X is less than the cost of a recall, they don’t do one.

eatham ,
@eatham@aussie.zone avatar

What are the variables?

greenmarty ,

I think boss was just lazy to think about it in this case and you gave him no other choice thou 😅

oatscoop ,

Also Disney once told a family no multiple times regarding putting Spider-Man on their dead child’s tombstone.

This is one of those situations where it’s better to ask forgiveness than permission. Even the most cold-hearted corporate ghoul is going to understand the cost/benefit of going after that family isn’t remotely worth it.

Yeah, the lawyers are going to say “no”. But even if they’re stupid enough to sue: some suit that isn’t a moron is going to tell them to drop it during the ensuing PR nightmare, and the family will be swimming in donations.

intensely_human ,

“This Spider Man thing really paid off, Honey!”

KeenFlame ,

Well the reason it is like this, is because the lawyers that get to decide are “only doing their job” and can blame the policy. The ones responsible for policy are just slaves to the megacorp automaton machine that continues to not regard morals or ethics or laws in its hunger for profit. The one responsible for this mess is a machine where you can replace any or even all individuals and it will still continue to globally absorb value and eat anyone in its way. We nurture and cheer these machines on because they give us “profit” when in fact it gives only some profits to specific people that hoard it in Panama. I am very against these entities of destruction, but targeting any individual human is never going to help, and we probably can’t stop them without actually using politics. Except all available options in politics all want to and are praised for nurturing these entities because they bring illusory cash flow to the region

ferralcat ,

I’m in Thailand and knockoff Disney stuff (and Legos) are pretty normal. And it’s nice. The kids buying them have to deal with seeing their ads plastered all over town, so it’s nice there are versions they can buy. I just wish they were so shitty quality and the big companies markup wasn’t so fucking insane. Lego sets pretty regularly hit $200-$300 here. There literally is no Nintendo Thailand, so game prices are pretty random based on import fees that retailers can negotiate (or sneak through).

The nice thing is no one gives a shit about piracy. No risks really.

cerement , in 110%
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar
  • “You get what you pay for.”
  • “So, minimum effort for minimum wage?”
  • “No, not like that!”
The_Lopen ,

It occurs to me that this could be read with the speakers interchangeable.

tourist , in Its a rhombus folks
@tourist@lemmy.world avatar

I hate that whenever I check in to see how flat earthers are doing they’ve somehow grown in size

Like… Why

They have to do all this shoddy crackhead troll math to prove how something like timezones can work on a flat earth but then it completely invalidates the shoddy crackhead troll math they did to prove how gravity works on a flat earth.

noobdoomguy8658 ,

People aren’t rational beings - we mostly operate on emotions, fueled by chemical reactions to certain events and sensations and experiences.

Most flat-earthers probably don’t care about any of the “facts” or “explanations” they hear or spread or study or come up with - first and foremost, it’s a community to them, a place where they feel like they belong and such. For their own reasons, they allow the obviously positive emotions they experience there to outweigh any of the absurd they may honestly recognize internally, but never admit or voice out or truly give in to.

I think I’ve seen several somewhat lengthy videos on YouTube on the matter, explaining how and why that happens. It’s a mechanism similar to other conspiracy theories and communities around them, as well as various cults - vulnerable, susceptible people are the ones to usually to end up in these because they’re reeled in one way or the other.

I’m not saying the theory isn’t nonsense, of course; only that the theory itself is probably only a facade for a way for some people to experience connection with others, a sense of belonging, some shared activities, something along these lines. That’s why you shouldn’t be surprised that their numbers grow or that they can easily ignore facts and science - it simply isn’t about facts or science, but emotions and feelings.

pixelscript ,

I’d argue this is at the root of all fringe theories and why they all seem to attract the same archetypes of people.

We are living in an era of history where long traditional societal norms are in rapid turnover. The “old ways of doing things” are dying off, and the new ways that replaced them are often a revolving door. Very little in the world at any given time feels stable and secure.

Institutional trust is breaking down. Interacting with the world in good faith is increasingly leaving you open to abuse by bad actors. Why trust anything, then? Trust is for rubes. You’re an intelligent, free, and independent thinker. You should question anything and everything that is simply handed down to you. Especially if it is unintuitive. To not do so is to be railroaded.

And it’s that last part in particular that identifies the most fertile candidates for a good conspiracy theory. Like, is the Earth round? It looks flat to me. Essentially all evidence you can throw at the notion falls either into at least one of, “I witnessed it, trust me bro”, “hope you like letters in your math equations” (people who can’t intuit math won’t be impressed by any proofs), or “you can do this experiment at home, you just need <esoteric setup>/<rare equipment> so you can watch for <nearly imperceptible effect>”. A depressing sum of people in the world will remain unconvinced by any demonstration that isn’t simple, intuitive, and of an overwhelmingly obvious magnitude. Complex answers or answers that observe tiny effects are scams.

And just like that, we’ve abandoned rational thought and replaced it with trust-averse thought. We’ve invented the notion that the world is a hostile place where anyone trying to hand you something is an agenda-pusher trying to extract something of value from you. All of the world’s major institutions are shams designed to keep you complacent in some sort of world order that is merely using you. To participate in it is to further your enslavement.

In that hellish headspace, conspiracy theories almost feel like a haven. Finally! A group of real thinkers who share your frustrations about the world! The underground movement working to free us all from the hostile system!

Except, no. At best it’s just a bunch of people who are wrong indulging in a little harmless escapism. At worst it’s a mass of people getting Immanuel Goldstien’d by the very kind of well-spoken swindler they’re breaking their collective backs bending over to avoid in the first place. Regardless the form it takes, my hypothesis remains: proliferation of conspiracy theories is merely a symptom of a lack of trust.

Ragerist ,
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It allows stupid people to have a community where they feel smart, and that they know something most people don’t.

I bet that’s not something they are used to

miridius ,

why

Because it’s a business, there are people out there profiting from it and so it keeps growing

AnUnusualRelic ,
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That’s the usual explanation that’s given, but how do they even profit? What do you sell to those idiots? (I suppose that since they’re idiots you can just sell them pretty much anything)

Obi ,
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Probably the YouTube views alone make for a pretty penny.

hamburglar26 ,

There was some guy who got his homemade rocket hobby funded by flat earther types to prove NASA is lying or something. Also that guy could be crazy and one of them.

But fools will throw cash at the dumbest of things.

c0mbatbag3l ,
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At the end of the day people love being in the “in” group that knows everyone else is blinded by falsehoods and they’re above it all and “in the know.” Religion has been that for a lot of people in the past as well as in current times, pretty much every high control group is developed due to this mentality as well.

theneverfox ,

Your problem is you’re bringing math into it wrong.

You see, Earth is actually a hypersphere. You can get to Agatha, which itself appears as a normal 3d planet, through tunnels that twist ana to kata. That’s why water seems to sometimes flow uphill - that’s a sign that a tunnel might be close.

There you go. It’s got secret lore, it encourages learning math, and it gives people a hobby where they look for inconsistencies in physics instead of rejecting it. We could even make some interesting discoveries if people are going out trying to find places where physics is weird.

It’s basic math, if you want to reduce flat earthers, you have to cancel them out

Neato , in razor blades
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A small blade safe can hold hundreds of blades and it’s like 4"x3"x3". Makes sense they thought the inside of drywall 5’x3’x1’ would be fine. It can probably hold tens of thousands. Even with a new blade daily that’s decades. And when you tear down the wall you’re dealing with Sheetrock, nails and screws already. All that time would have dulled the incredibly thin blades.

This is all to say: it seems wild but was a decent idea.

funkless_eck ,

yeah I have one that’s a few inches cubed for 6 years now and it’s nowhere near full.

Kecessa ,

sh.itjust.works/comment/7775973

Hundreds of thousands

octavio_dingus , in Racismed

Just another example that billionaires didn’t become billionaires by being smarter than everyone else.

Cowbee ,
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Unironically dividing the Proletariat against itself by stirring up racism among conservatives on a large social platform is the correct move for him to keep his dragon hoard, though I doubt it’s intentional.

shawwnzy ,

I’d give him more credit, it doesn’t take a genius to encourage people to subscribe to a philosophy and or vote for a person that will benefit you.

He knows what he’s doing

Cowbee ,
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I dunno, I’ve seen his Elden Ring build, and he’s somehow a fan of New Vegas despite NV beating him over the head, so I don’t quite believe that.

Zehzin ,
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Dude was carrying two shields for no reason 💀

Cowbee ,
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And he even said he changes his build if he needs to roll faster, so he understands the basics of equip load yet deliberately used 2 shields that were both unnecessary.

KingThrillgore ,
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If he streamed regularly, DSP would be shocked at how bad he plays.

Empricorn ,

Sure, but that’s just survival bias.

Promethiel ,
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Even crazy new Dragons get the “Respect the #1 rule of Dragon Club; do nothing to threaten the viability of the existence of Dragons” speech, I reckon.

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