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Mouette , in Defediverse

If the ‘thing you dont agree’ with is hate speech or shit promotting violence for example that’s the only sane option you have lol

GarbageShoot ,

Find me one neoliberal who isn’t promoting violence.

mustardman ,

Here’s a comment thread where a Hexbear user said “I hope to kill people like you” because I simply said I supported democratic socialism.

Going on any Hexbear instance people froth over telling anyone right of Karl Marx to “get up against the wall”. You guys are, and will always be, a joke.

AlpineSteakHouse ,

You said you supported Social Democracy not Democratic Socialism. Dem Socs are well-meaning but idealistic, not optimistic but the political philosophy of idealism. Soc Dems are supporters of a kinder capitalism for the Imperial core but keeping the child slaves mining cobalt in the Congo.

The fact that you think these are the same proves the original posters point that you should read theory. They were harsh but you were implying that keeping exploitation of the third world is preferable to socialism.

Dude you still don’t stop worker exploitation, don’t solve the contradiction of working and capitalist classes, don’t end imperialism or colonialism (social democracy outsources exploitation to the third world)

Ok let me know how your method works out

mustardman ,

You said you supported Social Democracy not Democratic Socialism.

What a terrible mistake to make! Perhaps you should have assumed it was the correct orientation of the two words that are spelled exactly the same.

The fact that you think these are the same proves the original posters point that you should read theory.

I have, but thanks for the suggestion.

Annakah69 ,

The abolishinists were mean to me. : 😭😭

mustardman ,

The tankies were being tankies, not unexpected.

AOCapitulator ,
@AOCapitulator@hexbear.net avatar

youre getting into arguments where you don’t know what the words mean, and then acting indignant when people point that out

mustardman ,

That’s very ableist of you to conflate dyslexia with stupidity.

MF_COOM ,
brain_in_a_box ,

Least bad faith liberal

CarbonScored ,
@CarbonScored@hexbear.net avatar

Assuming people are using words in the way they are widely and commonly accepted to mean (I mean, just look at Wikipedia for an easy starting point) is not a bad thing?

mustardman , (edited )

I’m innudated with endless notifications from you dweebs, mistakes happen.

Alaskaball ,
@Alaskaball@hexbear.net avatar

I’m innudated with endless notifications from you dweebs, mistakes happen.

People keep telling me that I shit my pants based off the way I smell and the growing brown stain on my pants but they’re all tankies because they’re all wrong

can ,

Maybe we can assume people got terminology wrong and not immediately jump to death wishes?

uralsolo ,

two words that are spelled exactly the same

Social and Socialism are not spelled the same, neither are Democracy and Democratic.

mustardman ,

What incredible insight. The word ‘social’ is referring to ‘socialism’ and so is the relation between ‘democracy’ and ‘democratic’.

It would take an idiot to mix these up, right?

AlpineSteakHouse ,

The word ‘social’ is referring to ‘socialism’ and so is the relation between ‘democracy’ and ‘democratic’.

I guess social security = socialism security in your world? Social welfare programs are not socialism and if your political education included anything beyond Elizabeth Warren’s policy page you’d know that.

mustardman ,

No, social policies are not socialism, however, they do generally benefit the working class.

You guys are so worried about centrists that you are ignoring the fact that the US had a far right coup attempt less than three years ago.

commiewithoutorgans ,
@commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net avatar

And the US still has a far right regime in power, and has since 1776. What’s your point?

mustardman ,

No it has not been far right since 1776. I guess when you make up facts it’s easy to prove your point though.

By the way, when’s the glorious peoples revolution supposed to begin? More importantly, where are the people???

commiewithoutorgans ,
@commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net avatar

Read Liberalism A Counter History or shut up about shit you don’t understand.

The people already revolted in the worlds largest country and their success will convince people to make similar steps once it’s made obvious you’re being fucked by your far right regimes. The people are hungering in most of the world and they will stand up you brain wormed fucker

mustardman ,

Read this book I just read last month or you don’t know anything!

It’s funny, no matter how many reading assignments I actually partake in, it’s never enough. Perhaps your movement would be more successful if you spent less time alienating anyone right of Ho Chi Minh.

commiewithoutorgans ,
@commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net avatar

Then read any fuckin book about this subject before speaking

mustardman ,

Funny you mention that. Whenever I do cite any “theory” that I have read, you well-read individuals somehow always disappear and avoid discussing anything. I’m sure you’ll either A) do the same thing or B) move the goalposts all the way to Laos/Cambodia.

discuss.tchncs.de/comment/2650764

commiewithoutorgans ,
@commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net avatar

Lol is that your best fuckin example? You didn’t cite Marx lol you just misunderstood an analysis for a method and made a shit argument. You didn’t deserve a good reply and dont now. I’m all for whatever analyses come out to peacefully move forward, but you’re just preserving the current world for your benefit not trying to prevent some deaths or something. Millions die yearly to preventable causes which would end with global socialism.

mustardman ,

I have never had the opportunity to have a more in-depth discussion because you guys seem more interested in smugly acting more intelligent than everyone, forgetting you need to recruit “people” to have a “people’s revolution”.

Since you’re one of the wise leaders of the revolution, what is your plan to bring your superior ideologies to the masses?

commiewithoutorgans ,
@commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net avatar

I’m not first bringing ideologies to the masses, it’s first proving a method works and then explaining why and how. You do this through Analyze the rising maladies of a system, describe how they’ve come about and explain how the solution only moves in 1 direction, socialism. Now I’m not gonna waste time explaining at any more depth until you prove yourself to be someone at all worth my time here by showing you’ve read literally anything relevant to the discussion.

I’m not more intelligent than the masses, no in fact I think that this is precisely only how you can think. There are those who have the time to develop certain skills which can be applied to reaching the intelligence and needs of the masses and those for whom that time is difficult and they build expertise in their specific fields. A vanguard is exactly the people who learn how to learn from the masses, not the opposite. Lenin was beloved for his ability to do this, and Stalin soon after with similar astonishingly high approvals.

Let me remind you, you’re the one who thinks you’re smarter and better than those masses who had to perform revolution to improve their conditions. I think they’re just better than you

mustardman ,

Yeah there are a lot of people smarter and better than me so that’s not the insult you think it is.

commiewithoutorgans ,
@commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net avatar

??? jesse-wtf

AlpineSteakHouse ,

What a terrible mistake to make! Perhaps you should have assumed it was the correct orientation of the two words that are spelled exactly the same.

Your beef is with the English Language not me. How is it my fault that you misidentified yourself? Funnily enough, you still don’t identify your actual political position. It’s clear that the only political position you’d take is what gives you an advantage in the argument. Fucking debatebros lol.

I have, but thanks for the suggestion.

Reading so much theory that you confuse two different political ideologies. Sometimes I read so much theory that that I claim to be a monarchist when I really mean to say I’m an anti-monarchist. Obviously the other person should have understood what I meant. Your literally on a communication medium that allows you to plan and edit your comments. You have no excuse for making this grade school mistake.

mustardman , (edited )

Debatebro? That’s what Hexbear does best.

I would actually love to engage in good faith discussions, but Hexbear users only operate in bad faith, particularly by sealioning. Like clockwork, you don’t engage in ideas but rather give reading assignments.

I’ve read Das Kapital and agree with virtually all the premises about how society is unfair to those who actually generate the surplus value and think that we need to fix a system that breaks cyclically, as Karl Marx correctly predicted in volume I. The only solutions I’ve seen presented are a total revolution a la 1917, which occured before globalization. Anything close to this in the current globalized world will kill at minimum hundreds of millions globally due to interdependence on products that Marx would consider “needs”, such as medications and medical equipment like dialysis machines.

The difference between you and me is that I’d rather work to reestablish democracy away from capital interests. I don’t want a dictatorship, I want a functional democracy. Propaganda is often used to disillusion the working class from democracy, and if you don’t vote in elections then you are clearly part of the problem.

Edit: Lmao. Citing"theory" gets crickets from the people who endlessly say “you just haven’t read theory”. It’s like they don’t know what to do with someone who reads to understand, rather than “reading” just to virtue signal.

brain_in_a_box ,

Debatebro? That’s what Hexbear does best.

Hahaha, literally “I know you are but what am I”

ShimmeringKoi ,
@ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

reading" just to virtue signal.

Lmao peak angry chud solipsism. “I would never read except to lord it over others, so that must be what these commies are doing.”

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  • mustardman ,

    Where has it worked?

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  • mustardman ,

    Cuba is your best example, however, it is a socialist state and not communism.

    China has three stock exchanges and is not communist:

    The USSR never got to the “people’s dictatorship”, ya know, because the dictators never completed that step. Despite being a very powerful country at their peak, the USSR only exists as a memory of a failed state.

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  • mustardman ,

    “The sky is green and I know you dumb neoliberal are going to try and tell me it’s blue!”

    How do you reconcile the fact that China has more stock exchanges than BurgerlandUSA?

    Pretty hard to defend, so I expected you to claim bad faith and throw in the towel. Your Hexbear friends have better endurance and wit.

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  • mustardman ,

    Ok, give me a call when we are about to start the people’s revolution. My mom gave me enough money to get snacks for everyone.

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  • mustardman ,

    You can keep waiting for the revolution, I’ll keep working on getting democratic socialists elected.

    We can compare notes on who made a bigger difference in a few decades.

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    What’s your plan? Crickets

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  • mustardman ,

    How do you plan on implementing these strategies in 2023, in a country that has global hegemony and the ability to prevent a 1917? Crickets again

    420blazeit69 ,

    If course you would, like a good little authoritarian.

    In my ideal society I’d give people like you the freedom you deserve.

    This you?

    a_blanqui_slate ,
    @a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net avatar

    Haha, classic Catradora_Stalinism, what a rascal.

    mustardman ,

    She would make a great staffer in the Lubyanka.

    a_blanqui_slate ,
    @a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net avatar

    She’s probably like 16 dude chill and welcome to the Internet where people fling the most unhinged nonsense at each other without a second thought

    mustardman ,

    An aggressive communist with no sense of how the world works could be a child? You’re the most self aware Hexbear user.

    Also lol to “dude chill”. I’m not the one fantasizing about murdering people.

    Alaskaball ,
    @Alaskaball@hexbear.net avatar

    Nah the capitalist system you cheer for murders people just fine, Mr. Welfare-capitalism-is-actually-socialism

    a_blanqui_slate ,
    @a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net avatar

    She’s not here, do you want me to pop into that thread and chastise her for you?

    My mind just boggles at the fact that anyone is taking this two bit reddit clone seriously enough to carry a grudge longer that the lifespan of a single thread.

    mustardman ,

    You’re doing a lot of coping with that seething.

    a_blanqui_slate ,
    @a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net avatar

    I’m fucking livid

    ShimmeringKoi ,
    @ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar
    lemann ,

    welcome to the Internet where people fling the most unhinged nonsense at each other without a second thought

    TIL I am internetting wrong lol.

    For me personally, flinging unhinged shit at other users is tiring. I find it much easier to either be nice or abandon ship

    a_blanqui_slate ,
    @a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net avatar

    It takes all kinds.

    American_Communist22 ,
    @American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    mfer im in college im crying ahhhhhhhh

    a_blanqui_slate ,
    @a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net avatar

    Hah classic Catradora bamboozle you rascal.

    American_Communist22 ,
    @American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    IM NOT CRINGE! IM NOT CRINGE! IM BASED! BASED!

    a_blanqui_slate ,
    @a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net avatar

    The Duality of Posts

    Pixels on Screen, 2023.

    uralsolo ,

    I simply said I supported democratic socialism

    So you said that you support the regime of extreme global inequality against the third world in order to maintain treats in the first.

    mustardman ,

    I support what are realistic policies actually will push the status quo in the direction you want.

    Larping on the internet waiting for a revolution to occur seems like a nice fantasy.

    uralsolo ,

    IDK what country you’re from, but in America at least, a democratic socialist has about as much likelihood of being elected to any given office as a communist does, so if you’re looking for “realistic” policies you should look elsewhere.

    mustardman ,

    There are numerous democratic socialists who are in Congress, you just aren’t paying attention.

    Run for office. There have been many spoilers from genuine grassroots campaigns. Don’t want to do either? Keep coping and seething online.

    TankieTanuki ,

    The master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house. Entryism always ends up changing the entrant instead of the system. We are revolutionary socialists.

    mustardman ,

    It’s clear you never studied US politics if you think that is remotely true. The Gilded Age and the Great Depression briefly pushed America away from corporate interests towards policy that benefited the working class. We averted overt fascism a la the Business Plot and the ratfucking that Smedley Butler disclosed while being the most badass anti-capitalist ever.

    You’re not a revolutionary socialist, you’re a larper who won’t do anything to better the world other than wait for this revolution like it’s the second coming of Christ.

    You guys are the QAnon of the left.

    brain_in_a_box ,

    How does any of that disagree with what he said?

    uralsolo ,

    We averted overt fascism a la the Business Plot

    You’re describing one group of bourgeoisie resisting a takeover by a different group of bourgeoisie. This is not a meaningful resistance to capitalism, this is the maintenance of a capitalist state.

    mustardman ,

    Present some options that have broad appeal and would be accepted by the proletariat. I don’t know if you’ve looked around the US, but the voting proletariat generally find centrist policies to be “far left”.

    How do you have your people’s revolution without the people?

    Chapo_is_Red ,
    uralsolo ,

    Who are you talking about? AOC? If your definition of a democratic socialist is a left-leaning Democrat then it is thoroughly incompatible with mine, because I would require at a minimum that anybody classified as any kind of “socialist” be staunchly opposed to Capital.

    mustardman ,

    I’m talking about Emmanuel Goldstein. Anyone I can possibly list will never meet your purity test.

    uralsolo ,

    Yes. We purity test. People who support capitalism cannot be counted upon to overthrow it. Glad we’re on the same page.

    mustardman ,

    Don’t forget to send me a text when the revolution starts, comrade.

    ShimmeringKoi ,
    @ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

    The purity test of having the wherewithal to oppose the economic system killing the earth and everyone on it.

    Chapo_is_Red ,

    I too support democratic socialism

    chavez-salute

    maduro-salute

    evo

    allende-rhetoric

    Allende just needed more people’s militias

    mustardman ,

    I’m not sure if you are aware of this, but the Allende thing is more a US intervention problem that a democratic socialism problem. Certainly Mohammad Mosaddegh would agree.

    ShimmeringKoi ,
    @ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net avatar

    Wow, you mean the US will just destroy you no matter how much you play by their rules, and that all that handwringing about evil communism is just bad-faith obfuscation from the world-eating vampire class to mislead their billions of victims? Wild.

    letsgocrazy ,

    So socialism, if it has any degree of democracy to it, which is kind of essential to socialism, is evil in your eyes.

    What version of decision making is acceptable in socialism then?

    Just one party rule?

    uralsolo ,

    “Democratic Socialism” is a term for a specific school of thought within socialism that I am criticizing for its tendency to align with imperial, ie US/NATO foreign policy that has created a system of unequal exchange that keeps most of the world in poverty in order to fund the excesses of the first world. It does not mean “socialism but we have a democracy”, that’s every form of socialism. Also it generally has a different meaning when applied to socialist movements in third world countries, which is why I wouldn’t criticize a party like MAS for the same reason.

    I consider China’s Whole-Process People’s Democracy to be the current gold standard democratic process on this planet. Democracy should not end when people vote for their representatives, it should be a constant process of polling and implementing the will of the people, and its success is why Chinese citizens have among the highest satisfaction with their government of anyone.

    Mindfury ,
    @Mindfury@hexbear.net avatar

    because I simply said I supported democratic socialism.

    so you promoted violence first?
    i’m failing to see your complaint here

    mustardman ,

    Oh silly you.

    Aria ,

    Extreme violence is still violence. Industrial violence on a massive scale is still violence. You are advocating for violence, terrible violence, and then getting upset someone else advocated for comparatively mild violence.

    yeeter ,

    So the solution is to just kick them off all the mainstream platforms and ensure they go to their own echo chambers where they are isolated from any reasonable counters to their ideology, which will just ultimately make the problem worse? Brilliant.

    It’s like the war on drugs. If we just ban it then surely the problem will disappear…except it just gets worse.

    How can people be this shortsighted?

    seahorse ,
    @seahorse@midwest.social avatar

    Nazis/extremists don’t respond to rational arguments against their ideology.

    yeeter ,

    You ever hear of that black guy who makes friends with KKK members? Sometimes they give up their bullshit and they become friends. I will accept the risk of having futile arguments with many if there is a chance that logic and reason breaks through to a few.

    MrScottyTay ,

    Hear hear

    Abel ,
    @Abel@lemmy.nerdcore.social avatar

    I did that for years. Many years. It burned me out and made me much more of a thin-skinned and intolerant person with those around me in real life.

    I love places where they willingly come to redeem themselves (like r/IncelExit) but otherwise I just stray very, very far. It took a heavy toll on my mind.

    It is a noble thing but one that shouldn’t be required of most users.

    yeeter ,

    Cheers. Not everyone has the constitution to engage, and that’s fine. I do not think hate should be tolerated, but I think it must be confronted with reason. The only alternatives seem to be more isolation, extremism, and violence.

    Abel ,
    @Abel@lemmy.nerdcore.social avatar

    Honestly I still discuss online but it’s very rare. Mostly with teenagers since they are usually more open.

    There is a problem of even where to confront with reason. Most of the time you hinder more than you help on mainstream social media, because more comments on a post will boost it on the algorithm and distribute the original poster’s message further while they remain wilfully ignorant.

    seahorse ,
    @seahorse@midwest.social avatar

    That’s different than arguing with people on the internet. Daryl Davis shows these people their shared humanity face-to-face. All I’ve ever seen from letting fash “debate” people on the internet is them slowly spreading their ideology to vulnerable people who are viewing the same conversations. Saying stuff that sounds reasonable on the surface like, “not everyone you disagree with is a nazi” even though they want to kill minorities as if that motive vs not wanting that to happen/doing everything in your power to make sure it doesn’t happen is a simple disagreement.

    yeeter ,

    I admit you raise some good points. I have always thought that people susceptible to extremism will eventually find it online, but maybe they won’t, and maybe exposing them to those ideas in rational conversation on mainstream platforms is too “risky.” My gut tells me that is not the case, but that is just my gut. It seems worthy of some kind of study.

    Someonelol ,

    Well whenever regular people go in to their communities they get ridiculed and have their comments removed or even banned, so what’s the difference?

    yeeter ,

    Maintaining the moral high ground is crucial when attempting to fight extremists with reason and discourse.

    MLK understood this tactic and brilliantly deployed it with his non-violent movement, and he defeated extremists with reason and discourse.

    You can call me naïve, but wouldn’t have been a shame if MLK gave up when he was called naïve?

    When they go low, we go high.

    -Michelle Obama

    mustardman , (edited )

    I wish we lived in a functional democracy where you can go “high, when they go low”. The only thing that has resulted in is eroding the democratic system by ceeding power that undemocratic individuals will keep for themselves.

    Edit: To add, I believe that Michelle Obama was right when we said that, but the world has radically changed since then.

    OhHiMarx ,

    No way this isn’t a bit

    michaelrose ,

    If you have the choice between an eco chamber where 10% of people are nazis and say nazi shit to other nazis and normalizing nazism to the point where mainstream gathering places are full of crazy nazi babble and having 15% nazis I would chose to contain the poison.

    Viking_Hippie ,

    Yeah because normalising fascism in 2016 so that actual nazis came into the light and the mainstream sure helped make them less destructive and made them have less of an echochamber! Oh wait…

    corsicanguppy ,

    Yes. Tolerance should not extend to intolerance, and intolerance should never be a thing we tolerate.

    letsgocrazy ,

    If it were that simple, then it would be fine.

    But the point is, people just start to label anything that whiffs of a different opinion as “intolerance”.

    nebula42 , in Iphone 15
    @nebula42@lemmy.world avatar

    Context?

    Baphomet_The_Blasphemer ,

    Changing their plug design with every new generation of products has created a lot of e-waste as the older plugs are no longer usable, as well as some countries have deemed this practice as a form of planned obsolescence which they have policies/laws against. So the EU basically told Apple that if their new products didn’t switch to a universal standard plug design (currently being the usb-c), then they would not be allowed to sell them in Europe. I’m guessing Apple is now trying to pass this off as their idea.

    BB69 ,

    They don’t change it every generation. Apple has been using the lightning port since 2012.

    genoxidedev1 ,
    @genoxidedev1@kbin.social avatar

    Nothing and no-one other than Apple though, so I would welcome them being forced to use a universal standard instead of that ugly-ass fucking conglomerate of multiple types of bullshit proprietary standard they keep pushing so they can get even more money.

    I'd be way happier with Apple existing if they wouldn't always push these overly obvious proprietary money grabbing bullshit.

    BB69 ,

    I mean, yeah, but there’s no need for OP to lie about Apple swapping ports every generation.

    ChrisLicht ,

    I use 10 Apple hardware devices currently, and have owned well over 100 since my first Mac 128K in 1984. I’m a sucker for Apple shit.

    I kind of have to agree with the spirit of previous poster’s point. Apple does do annoying shit with port formats.

    Between the four MacBooks in front of me, only two share the same main power format—and, of course, one of those can’t get enough juice from the other’s PSU.

    Have two different formats for my iPads, and my partner’s iPhone and mine don’t share a format. That’s not remarkable, but the timing of the various iOS port format changes was frustrating, as certain devices made the port jump at the same time that their brethren did not.

    I would finally note the rather large bouquet of different Apple wall-warts we have collected, also in two different formats, and a variety of wattages.

    Finally, a lot of Apple’s cables have tips that seem purpose-built to fall apart, meaning even more trash in landfills.

    genoxidedev1 ,
    @genoxidedev1@kbin.social avatar

    The "purpose-built to fall apart" is real, I used to have a best friend who had to get new apple headphones every 2-3 weeks because they always somehow broke.

    My apple headphone clones on the other hand lasted at best 2 years and at worst I can't say yet because this is the second pair I got from the manufacturer and they're still going strong. And I usually handle my headphones like shit, though not intentionally, of course, but the usual wear and tear.

    ChrisLicht ,

    For all of my suckerdom, the one Apple thing I don’t buy is headphones. Between the pre-sale engineered obsolescence and the post-sale engineered obsolescence (looking at you, AirPods and your declining noise-canceling levels after software “updates” as a new model is about to launch), I managed to achieve escape velocity to other headphone brands. Love the Sony WF-1000XM series for noise-canceling earbuds.

    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

    Your friend is incredible if he’s able to kill Apple’s headphones in under a month. Unironically he should apply to work for some of these companies for QA if he’s actually capable of doing that.

    whofearsthenight ,

    “I see the problem, you’re going to want to not chew on those.”

    BB69 ,

    Apple swapped MacBooks to USB C in 2015

    2018 was first USB C iPad.

    Unless your partner is using an iPhone 4s, they have a lightning port. Not sure why you’re saying they’re different.

    Again. Not every generation.

    ChrisLicht , (edited )

    “Spirit” was the operative word.

    Your data isn’t comprehensive: Intel MB Air used MagSafe until 2017, but not same MagSafe as currently offered.

    And, I meant that, among iOS devices, iPads did not switch to USB-C at same time phones did.

    From cgpt, through 2021:

    iPhone and iPad models did not make the shift to USB-C at the same time. As of my last update in September 2021, iPads started transitioning to USB-C with the iPad Pro in 2018. Other iPad models like the iPad Air followed suit, adopting USB-C in 2020.

    iPhones, on the other hand, have stuck with the proprietary Lightning connector for charging and data transfer. As of 2021, no iPhone models had transitioned to USB-C, although the topic has been a subject of speculation and rumors.

    Zagorath ,
    @Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

    Yeah it’s a really weird reputation Apple’s gotten, but it’s completely unfair. In the time I’ve been using Android smartphones they’ve switched from micro-USB to USB-C.

    Over that same time period, Apple has always used Lightning.

    Go back a bit further and Apple’s older 30-pin connector comes into play, but that’s still just 2 cables in the entire history of smartphones so far. Compare that to the proprietary cables that could often vary by model on the various devices that existed prior to Apple and Android taking over the market and it’s a pretty good situation.

    iPads have been a little worse, going from 30-pin to lightning and starting to use USB-C in 2018. But still, even that’s been very stable since then.

    There’s plenty of legitimate things to criticise Apple for. Like their opposition to the right to repair. We don’t need to be making shit up.

    FuntyMcCraiger ,

    If every cell phone brand acted like Apple we would have like thirty different proprietary chargers.

    We shouldn’t give them a pass just because they’re the only ones brazen enough to be stupid.

    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

    USB C didn’t exist when Apple made the lightning connector.

    Are they idiots, or are they innovators and the rest are just trying to catch up?

    FuntyMcCraiger ,

    Micro USB did.

    And then instead of making a connector like USB-C that everyone could use they made their own proprietary one.

    money_loo ,

    Micro usb sucked.

    It was weird how you’d go to plug it in in the darkness of night, and it wouldn’t fit, so you’d rotate it, but inexplicably it still wouldn’t fit, so you rotate it again….and now it fits?!?

    No thank you, I don’t like cables that break the fabric of space and time and betray reality itself.

    whofearsthenight ,

    Micro-usb is just about the most garbage connector in the last 30 years. I’d damn near rather Apple have actually sent me a breadboard and some leads than have that connector.

    Afiefh ,

    USB C didn’t exist, but it was being developed, and apple was on the USB-IF forum which developed it. So literally part of apple was developing USB-C while another part decided “nah, we will make our own” and of course it takes less time to make your own than to make something everyone agrees on.

    hydroel ,

    It used to be the case, just like it was for laptops until very recently.

    01189998819991197253 ,
    @01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

    Don’t forget miniB USB before the microB.

    It went: proprietary–>open standard MiniB–>open standard MicroB–>open standard C.

    On iPhone: proprietary 30pin–>proprietary Lightning

    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

    Mini USB was a dark dark time. Please don’t bring up those bad memories.

    01189998819991197253 ,
    @01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

    Hahahahahhahaha!!! I was actually thinking how bad those times were in tech hahaha

    Zagorath ,
    @Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

    I didn’t forget it, I just have never seen a phone with mini USB. I’ve still actually got some devices that use it, but never a phone.

    Not doubting that they exist, but I was very explicitly comparing my own personal experience to the Apple one.

    01189998819991197253 ,
    @01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

    That’s fair. I do know that miniB phones were few and far between, since the microB was popularized shortly after the smartphone was starting to go ubiquitous. I know about HTC phones, since those were where my experience was with early smartphones (specifically the HTC Dream and HTC Hero, which both had miniB).

    socsa ,

    It’s not an unfair reputation at all. I still have trauma from needing to buy new 24/30pin connectors every couple iPod generations. They absolutely did that shit on purpose, and lightning might have been a more moderate version of their planned obsolescence peripheral policy, but there was no fucking reason in the world for them to stick with the inferior lightning standard, other than forced fragmentation of the peripheral market. Apple knows that the number one reason people don’t even consider switching away from iPhone is because of all their lightning peripherals

    porkchop ,

    This is a weirdly untrue comment. The iPod used FireWire for a couple generations before switching to 30 pin and never changing again throughout the rest of the history of the classic iPod form factor.

    And a cable has nothing to do with why people buy or stick with an Apple or Google device. A switch to USB C would be better for everyone and Apple knows it (otherwise why switch the iPad to usb c? Why not put proprietary connectors on macs???)

    Also? If Apple switched to USB C when it was invented AFTER Lightning, you’d be complaining even harder about how Apple keeps switching their ports to get you to buy more cables. Better late than never

    MsPenguinette ,

    Also, it’s frustrating that everyone acts like lightning has no redeeming qualities. Lightning is a postless port, meaning that the failure mode is outside the device. If you accidentally trip over your cable, the cable will break but the port will be fine. That’s why your grandma can be using a 10 year old iPhone and treat it like shit

    I think a serious argument could be made that more e-waste could be made by having a device that has a higher chance of breaking.

    I’ll be happy to have a single cable for everything but that device will have a short life overall once it hits the point where the cost of any repair on the port outweighs the value of the device.

    I’ll also have a lot of lightning cables that will become obsolete but that’s how it goes. There will be a ton of old people giving a lot of retail works a lot of shit that Apple changed ports just to make money. It happened when they went from 30-pin to lightning over decade ago and will happen again

    whofearsthenight ,

    If you accidentally trip over your cable, the cable will break but the port will be fine.

    Tbh this is thing I’m not excited about the USB-C future on. On paper, I would expect that Lightning be more problematic since the springy bits are on device rather than the connector. In practice, I’ve never seen a Lightning port fail since it’s come out. Micro-USB, which is much closer to USB-C in design (obviously with improvement) for me has basically come with an expiration date. I don’t have enough USB-C stuff yet to say if that’s going to continue, but it’s a concern for sure.

    weeeeum ,

    That reputation is definitely unfair for their mobile devices but extremely fair for their laptops. 3 different magsafe connecters, switched to thunderbolt, switched to a new magsafe connector all over again, all in 10 or so years.

    Zagorath ,
    @Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

    That’s a fair point. Though I’d point out that two of the three pre-Thunderbolt (which—and I assume you know this, but I’m adding it in for the casual reader who might not know—uses the USB-C connector) Magsafe cables actually used the same connector, so you could use them interchangeably. They just improved the way the cable itself worked to come out at an angle instead of 90º. And that the new post-Thunderbolt Magsafe laptops can also be charged using the Thunderbolt/USB-C ports, so it’s only adding a new option, not replacing one.

    So it’s definitely worse than their mobile devices, but not quite as bad as it might at first seem.

    OhStopYellingAtMe ,
    @OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world avatar

    Changing their plug design with every new generation of products

    what are you talking about? They’ve used the same lightening connector for the past 10 generations.

    BobaFuttbucker ,

    They changed the connector ONE time, 11 years ago, and are being legally compelled to do so this time.

    Please call out Apple for their shitty business practices, changing the iPhone charging port is not one of them.

    socsa ,

    People in this thread are apparently too young to remember how often the original iPod connectors changed.

    sdc ,
    @sdc@infosec.pub avatar

    You keep saying this but the first two generations were FireWire only and after that the 30-pin dock connector was used until Lightning came out.

    porkchop ,

    And even then the classic iPod never used lightning, just stuck with the 30 pin

    BobaFuttbucker ,

    And the only reason FW was even used was because at the time it was the better connection method for transferring large amounts of data compared to USB.

    When USB 2 was released and common, Apple switched to 30-pin and USB2, while still allowing those with FW adapters to continue using that medium.

    You can connect a 1st gen FW-only iPod TODAY with the appropriate adapters and still sync and use it with new Macs.

    whofearsthenight ,

    Once. Firewire then 30pin

    kadu ,
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  • Rustmilian ,
    @Rustmilian@lemmy.world avatar

    Just stop buying iPhones, problem solved.

    umbrella ,
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    until all the others start to copycat them, as always, simply because they can get away with it

    would love to have removable batteries again

    dumbcrumb ,

    Apparently the EU passed a bill that would require companies to have batteries that could be replaced with no specialized tools and that “the process of replacement shall be able to be carried out by a layman”. With a 2027 deadline

    Gormadt ,
    @Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Yes please, I hate how hard it currently is

    umbrella ,
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    I’m aware, but i’m not in the EU nor can I expect govmts around the world to legialate away evey little anti-consumer idea those people have.

    dumbcrumb ,

    Well its not likely that the big phone brands will make specific models for just the EU because of how much extra that would cost. Like whats happening now with the USB C laws.

    mind ,

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    Btw whats the matter of blue bubble? iMessage? Who tf uses imessage especially on android? Or is it just an sms app?

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  • money_loo ,

    Ironically you can use it on android using an app called…wait for it….BlueBubbles. -Source: me using it right now.

    0x2d ,

    Bluebubbles requires you have a Mac or Hackintosh

    money_loo ,

    Yes, there are hoops, but it works.

    whofearsthenight ,

    It’s not the blue bubble, it’s that iMessage is like any other of the big message services and has it’s own things like those messaging services. I have a group chat with another iPhone user, and an Android user. Just sending texts is whatever, but when you start using the messaging features like tapbacks to like a message or replying to a specific message, it gets real fucky real fast.

    Although I am glad iMessage was created (largely as a fuck you to carrier fees) these days I wish that Apple would either make an Android app or the world (US mostly) could collectively move to a good messaging app/protocol (which includes e2e encryption and isn’t fucking Meta.)

    mexicancartel ,

    That sounds like good messaging apps doesn’t exist… Have you ever tried telegram?

    photonic_sorcerer ,
    @photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    If you get ostracized from a group for the wrong chat bubble color, that group wasn’t worth your time.

    phamanhvu01 ,

    This 100%

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  • FlexibleToast ,

    That’s fine. I don’t want to be friends with someone that would ostracize me for the green bubble.

    BackOnMyBS , (edited )
    @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

    But then how will people know I am willing to blow money, implying that I have extra cash to waste, if they don’t see a blue bubble?

    0x2d ,

    I have heard people at my school criticizing Android for “green text messages”

    saltesc ,

    I’m 39 and not even so old I use native messaging and telephony styled services. Hell, not even my dad does.

    Did the kids in your school grow up in the 80s or is stuff like iMessage making a comeback because it’s retrocool?

    Serinus ,

    Kids think iPhones are cool for a good reason. If a fifth grade kid has an android, it’s probably a cheap one. There are no cheap iPhones.

    Sure, Pixels are better than iPhones straight up. But who the fuck is buying their kid the latest Pixel?

    So cool (read: spoiled) kids have iPhones. The others start on cheap androids. That stigma sticks around at least awhile.

    mint_tamas ,

    This is only a thing in the US. In other parts of the world, iphone users have to adapt to whatever messenger platform has the most people in it (likely whatsapp or facebook messenger, maybe telegram)

    mayo ,

    Not yet but one day. If I could get a phone and keep it for 20 years (with repairs/upgraded parts) then I’d switch.

    If apple removes the plug then i’ll start considering the other options when my current phone becomes unusable. Until then it’s too easy to buy an old iphone and hold onto it for 6 years.

    derbolle ,

    fairphone 5 is out :-) it is getting upgrades until the 2030s. and it is so easily repairable that it is realistic to use it for a long time

    gizmonicus ,

    I am sincerely hoping that makes it to the US. The only thing available now is the Fair Phone 4.

    mayo ,

    This is the one I’m thinking of. Love the concept. Potential challenge is that in Canada things, in particular, shipping is expensive. I’m pretty broke right now so my inclination is to save money over the long run and not be wasteful.

    I’m not a phone person though. Useful device but not something that takes up much of my day to day time.

    iampivot ,

    Google Pixel 8 will have same update length as Apples Iphone.

    audiomodder ,

    I don’t know about you, but I don’t honestly remember the last time I connected my phone to my computer to transfer data

    FuntyMcCraiger ,

    I connected my phone to tether internet since the power was out but the cell network was still going.

    audiomodder ,

    iPhones can tether via a wifi connection, so that’s not necessary. Does drain the battery a bit faster, though.

    hemko ,

    Most desktops don’t have WiFi cards + it does add more latency to WiFi hotspot. Say your internet died at home and you still want to play games or work in vdi

    money_loo ,

    iPhone can share it over Bluetooth too, if it helps.

    Resistentialism ,

    Android can as well.

    money_loo ,

    I wasn’t sure so I didn’t want to say, thanks for the information.

    hydroel ,

    All smartphones I’ve had since around 2013 could do that. Is Wifi Hotspot still locked behind an ISP paywall exclusively on iPhone?

    audiomodder ,

    Nope. That’s kinda my point though. You don’t NEED to tether.

    oldGregg ,

    Good for you! I do it at least 3 times a week

    audiomodder ,

    Mind if I ask why?

    money_loo ,

    Privately transferring large porn files?

    socsa ,

    Same. Having a 10Gb/s data link from my phone comes in handy pretty fucking often.

    BackOnMyBS ,
    @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t do it often either, but it came in clutch this week when I re-installed Linux Mint and needed to download the drivers for my wifi card via tethering.

    Railison ,

    EU has already warned them not to throttle charging and transfer speeds just because a cable isn’t MFI

    LethalSmack ,

    It’s worth noting that the current lightning cable is also limited to usb 2.0 speeds. They’re not making the usb c version any slower than it already is.

    socsa ,

    Right, but I assume what it means is that any Apple charging cable will be generally useless as a USBC cable for anything other than charging an iPhone, which very much violates the spirit of the EU anti-waste law.

    For most people, it won’t matter. But a USBC cable which can’t support USB3 data rates probably also won’t support proper USB-PD, or USB-HDMI/DP, etc. The dream of having one universal physical standard for charging and high data rate comms will be violated in principle, even if it makes little difference in practice.

    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

    The iPhone already doesn’t support USB 3.0 speeds, or video out from the port so nothing would be lost.

    And the data rate of the cable has no impact on it’s power delivery capability. I have USB 2.0 speed cables capable of doing 240 watts. Plus the iPhone already does USB PD, just through the lightning port. lemmy.world/…/12152bd5-5977-4cf3-9dd5-c302ca78462…

    USB C is already a mess, and plenty of Android devices don’t support USB 3.0 speeds either. Apple changing to USB C port changes nothing except for the literal receptacle.

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  • wheeldawg ,

    Why assume the cable would have low speeds? Are those enough cheaper to justify that?

    I mean, it would be a trademark Apple kind of thing to do, for sure. They may take privacy seriously, but literally every other thing they do is pure scumbag.

    I don’t wanna assume they are 3.0 speed either, but do we know one way or the other?

    Also, is there really a use for 240W cords? I’ve never heard of a phone accepting triple digit speeds at all, and even a tablet wouldn’t go that high.

    whofearsthenight ,

    I honestly feel like it’s a mistake that USB-C means almost nothing outside of “it’s got this port shape.” The idea was that you have one port and one cable, and you plug whatever you want into it. In practice, virtually no where is this true. Is this a data port or power only? What speed for either? Does the port support Thunderbolt or no? Video or no? Does the cable support data or just power? What speed? Video? Which HDMI spec? Thunderbolt? Grab 3 random devices with USB-C and 3 random USB-C cables and see how often you get the intended outcome.

    Tbh I think the only goal that USB-C really accomplishes is that it’s less shitty than micro-usb (might as well make all of those ports/connectors out of paper mache) or USB-A (let’s make a port shape that there is no way for anyone living or dead to plug in correctly the first time.)

    jasondj ,

    Nearly every USB-A male I’ve seen has a USB logo carved into the rubber boot.

    This is on the “up” side of the cable, and would face “up” from the perspective of how the computer is intended to be used (or from the perspective of the motherboard, if we’re talking about a tower PC).

    rotopenguin ,
    @rotopenguin@infosec.pub avatar

    Legislating that everything shall be a $50 20Gbps cable stuffed with impedance matched micro-coax and shielding on top of shielding on top of shielding just means that nobody can afford it.

    USB-C is not and will never this thing that you are imagining. It is one commonly shaped hole, with all the incompatible connections of yesteryear now lurking in a mess of unreadable symbols next to each port. This one can charge. That one can thunderbolt. These can send out power, if you want to use your laptop as a $2000 portable battery. This one sends out video, but wait it’s only HDMI, and only if that port over there isn’t using its superspeed lanes.

    MsPenguinette ,

    People are transferring data to their phones via a cable?

    mexicancartel ,

    Yes

    MsPenguinette ,

    Why? (Genuine question)

    gotrandom ,

    Being able to record raw 4k60 video means huge file sizes. Transferring over what we hope will be usb3 speeds would be much faster than any other available medium to iPhone.

    whofearsthenight ,

    This is the amazingly, insanely stupid thing about the idea that at least for Apple’s Pro line, which they’ll painstakingly put together videos showing iPhones being used as actual movie cameras in big gimbal rigs and how they can capture 4k60 and put messages in the OS that shooting 20 minutes of video is going to take your entire phone storage even if you got the big one, and the options for transfer are wifi or USB 2.0. For a potential terabyte. Very Pro to sit and wait for an hour or several.

    Bytemeister ,

    Sure. It’s a super fast and easy way to transfer videos, music and images. You can also back up your phone using the cable. I used to use my for USB tethering to get around hotspot charges. It’s also handy for loading projects for development.

    MsPenguinette ,

    Thanks. Tho does surprise me to hear that backups to the computer is still a thing people do on any sort of scale. Dev projects tho, that def makes sense

    Bytemeister ,

    My partner actually just backed up their iPhone today using a cable. They don’t want to pay the extra storage fees for iCloud, and they like having control of their own data.

    rotopenguin ,
    @rotopenguin@infosec.pub avatar

    That’s usually the only way that backups will work.

    JackFrostNCola ,

    At that speed their ‘lightning’ cable doesnt sound all to lightening-ey then, more of a mild static.

    DharmaCurious ,
    @DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

    Not just expensive, they’re also environmentally unsound! They use more power to charge, more plastic for casing. Hooray?

    arefx ,

    Android is superior and I’ll die on this hill. Want a phone built nicer than an iPhone? Here you go. Want a cheap phone because your on a budget or it’s not important to you? Here you go. Want an operating system you can configure to your liking, or even install your own version of it? Here you go. Want a headphone jack? Here you go.

    qyron ,

    Make some room; I’m camping on the hill with you.

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    iPhone only has 2 use cases: FaceTime/iMessage/AirDrop needs, or if you have Macbook, iPad, Apple TV et al (deep into Apple ecosystem).

    Android is simply superior for everything, and one of those use cases is largely only a USA problem.

    money_loo ,

    “Just want a phone that works and does everything you need without thinking about it with support past two years?..…we, uh, I’ll get back to you…,”

    Switchy85 ,

    Samsung and pixels have been doing 3-4 years of updates for a while now, and pixels are moving to 5 years with the 8 series coming out in a couple months.

    money_loo ,

    “For a while now” = Since Feb 2022.

    But yeah, that’s awesome they finally decided to support their devices!

    And Google? Well, thankfully they don’t have a track record of abandoning things, so I’d totally trust them.

    JackiesFridge ,
    @JackiesFridge@lemmy.world avatar

    IPhones are cool and all, but I’m a fan of usable file management.

    money_loo ,

    I actually use both, so I kid a lot but ultimately a phone is a phone. I find it funny when people take it personally.

    MrPenguinSky ,

    We’ll die on this hill together.

    WhyJiffie ,

    Just wait until android phone brands also remove all physical connectors

    arefx ,

    I can still buy an Android phone with an aux input I think I’ll still be able to buy a phone with a USB port. Android is about options. But nice hypothetical, it really brought a lot to the table.

    WhyJiffie ,

    Ok, they will have cables, but “Android is about options”, yet it’s hard to find a phone that does not have a rounded screen, a notch, or a screen embedded camera.
    Honestly I’m using a 7 year old phone and I’ve almost given up on finding a new one with sensible hardware. In the last years android really became much closer to iphones, and not to their advantage in my eyes.

    stonedemoman ,

    Samsung has already surpassed apple in hardware. We’re at the point where equivalent Samsung’s multi-core performance is the same, the 25% faster iGPU carries the single-core performance way beyond what the iPhone can do, and they ship with 25%+ more RAM.

    I’m hoping more people start to realize that healthy market competition is a good thing for Apple, it has already changed many of their anti-consumer practices in the past.

    Anomalous_Llama ,

    I was on Android for years. Galaxy’s and Pixels

    Without fail around 1.5 years the battery was almost useless and the usability would slow to a grind and it would get super warm. I had to upgrade often.

    Eventually decided to try iPhone. I’m on a 12 pro that I got at launch still. Never used a case or screen protector. Dropped more times than I can count. I’ve even been swimming with it several times by accident. (Twice over an hour before realizing)

    Battery life is greater than 80% of its launch life still. The phone still fucking works great, I have zero issues with it. I have saved money by using iPhone because I’m not replacing it all the time.

    I LOVE Android for its flexibility and freedom of choice etc. those things can’t be taken away from that platform. But a phone that’s built like a brick shit house that just fucking works? I found that in an iPhone.

    WoodenBleachers ,
    @WoodenBleachers@lemmy.basedcount.com avatar

    Exactly. It’s the same for virtually anything code-related; more flexibility equals more bugs. Yes, i phone goes a little overboard sometimes, but there phones aren’t just some status symbol. An android is a fine option, it just doesn’t meet some people’s needs. It’s like when people try to suggest windows or linux to me. I use each of them frequently, you know what I find the most buggy? Windows. You know what needs the most configuration? Linux. The Mac just works. “But Google can fix the issue” I know it can. I never said it couldn’t. I just like being able to turn on my device and have it work after I’ve fixed bugs all day

    Serinus ,

    Guess which one of those gets foisted onto grade school kids.

    Bytemeister ,

    It’s a drop in the bucket really. You know who has decided not to use a wireless charger in order to save money on their electric bill… Nobody.

    DharmaCurious ,
    @DharmaCurious@startrek.website avatar

    It’s not really about the tiny amount for an individual, it’s a problem when multiplied by the millions upon millions of iPhone users, and because they steer the market, the millions and millions of Android users that will follow.

    hydroel ,

    Wireless charging would be a catastrophe at that scale. It is terribly inefficient; multiplied by the number of iPhones in circulation, and we would have gigantic amounts of energy wasted because Apple didn’t want to bend to a non-proprietary port. We already live in a world where the energy is an issue and the EU USB-C law is precisely aimed at reducing waste, it would be a horrendous decision on a disastrous scale, especially as other phone makers would quickly follow.

    dubyakay ,

    Source?

    Wooki ,

    Wireless charging should be regulated. It’s a wasteful joke that burns more carbon by wasting electricity

    shitescalates ,

    The amount of electricity used to charge phones is statistical dust. If you want to save electricity there are 1000 better places to worry about.

    Ilovethebomb ,

    Yep, definitely. A bigger problem is the additional heat generated, especially if the phone is also being used at the same time.

    Wooki , (edited )

    Multiplying every phone in use by the average capacity loss at 50% that’s the best case scenario for loss ( ignoring the newer phones using significantly more power and glass to insulate). You do not have a statistically dust number of wasted carbon every day.

    shitescalates ,

    Let’s say everyone in the world has a smartphone and charges it 100% every day. Let’s say that it’s 4000 mah battery so they waste 2000 mah. This is very very generous. That’s 7.4 wh per person per day X 8b people X 365 days a year = 2.1x10^13 wh. In 2022 we used 1.7x10^17. Or 0.01% Like I said, statistical dust.

    rotopenguin ,
    @rotopenguin@infosec.pub avatar

    The energy consumption of replacing a worn out cable is pretty bad too.

    The energy consumption of replacing a whole phone when the port wears out is considerably worse.

    Oh and as a bonus, the wireless charger provides unbeatable isolation from lightning strikes or a defective power brick shorting to mains. I can’t say how many phones are saved that way, but it’s also something of an energy savings.

    Wooki , (edited )

    Delusion is strong in this one.

    “Worn out cable…. Ect ect fallacy about power loss.”

    Nice straw man argument, you are really reaching. Not only will it never happen to get close to the wireless waste but we are talking about Brand new future device.

    I abuse my charging port with headphones, 5 years not replaced. This still would not come close to the loss.

    it’s at least 50% power loss over wireless. At minimum.

    resilience.org/…/wireless-charging-a-colossal-was…

    rotopenguin ,
    @rotopenguin@infosec.pub avatar

    I’m not talking about “resistance change in a cord blah blah”. I’m talking about the power and resources to manufacture and ship a new phone, after your old phone fails prematurely. The kilowatt-hours being poured into a phone’s battery over its service life are a miniscule part of its TCO. Doubling that makes it two pittances.

    OscarRobin ,

    Apple uses the standard USB-PD standard for all existing wired USB-C charging, uses the QI standard for wireless, and directly contributed their magsafe technology to the next generation of the QI wireless standard, so there’s no reason to think they will make iPhone wireless charging proprietary.

    SirQuackTheDuck ,

    Furthermore, they’ll be shooting themselves in the foot. The EU is already curtailing wireless charging lock-in, by mandating Qi charging support. A tailor-made solution might have a higher speed, but as technologies improve, the “harmonised interoperability” will be bumped up by the EU parliament.

    Lastly, this legislation doesn’t seem aimed at just the EU. My legalese isn’t all that great, but it seems they’re highly encouraging members of the EEA (non-EU) to adopt similar legislation too.

    Source: europa.eu

    EvokerKing , in Open for business

    Imagine just going around and putting these signs on locked doors. There would be so many people trying as hard as they can to open a locked door.

    The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
    @The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website avatar

    Oh hi, Satan.

    Spudwart , in unholy software..

    “I hate searching for drivers”

    ???

    Of all the Linux nitpicks, you chose the one wrong answer.

    Linux is way better with automatically installing drivers than Windows. Unless you’re using Nvidia, it’s literally in the kernel.

    Linux has the issue of lacking in enterprise media software like Microsoft Office and Adobe Products. The former of which has long since become a non-issue. Adobe however persists. And some games will never run so long as the devs hold them hostage on anti-proton anticheat varients.

    klyde ,
    @klyde@lemmy.world avatar

    And most people use Nvidia. Don’t act like it’s a small number.

    PvtGetSum ,

    Lmao. “Unless you’re in the majority of PC gamers then it’s not a problem” Linux users I swear

    kmkz_ninja ,

    “Or if you need to use Adobe products”

    lastweakness ,

    Pretty much every distro offers an easy way to install nvidia drivers.

    It’s the peripherals that really need drivers. I remember having to install digimend drivers for my friend’s graphics tablet for example. That said, it wasn’t supported well on Windows either and performed better on my Linux setup than on Windows once I did find out about the digimend drivers.

    Driver troubles for peripherals aren’t uncommon in Windows either. Don’t get me started on printers. Somehow, printers and scanners have always been plug and play for me on Linux, contrary to what I often hear.

    itsJoelle ,

    I run Nvida and Linux pretty regularly. It takes an extra step, but if you aren’t using a card at, basically, release it should be fine. 🤷‍♂️

    ouch ,

    apt install nvidia-driver

    TheRedSpade ,

    pacman -S nvidia

    Spudwart ,

    Most gamers use nvidia.

    The average person uses integrated intel or amd graphics.

    rush ,

    They didn’t imply that little people were using Nvidia GPUs, he is referring to the fact that you do like…2 extra clicks or so to install Nvidia’s drivers? You don’t even need to open a web browser!

    desconectado ,

    I don’t agree. I had lots of issues with printers, scanners, cameras, fingerprintreader, styluses. Yes, regular hardware, no issue, peripherals? Different story.

    I know this is an issue from the manufacturers, but it’s still an issue.

    teichflamme ,

    Also WiFi

    Hexadecimalkink ,

    Adobe Photoshop is the only tool in Adobe’s suite that Linux can’t compete with. Inkscape is on par with Illustrator. Krita for whatever Adobes’s drawing tool is named. There are several proprietary or FOSS alternatives for Premiere Pro. It’s just GIMP that has a poor UI.

    Aux ,

    Inkscape is not on par.

    Aux ,

    What are you even talking about? Hardware issues in Linux are neverending, not just Nvidia. How’s your HDR support going? DRM support? Can you plug multiple monitors and have different DPI settings on them yet? Got AptX LL? Let’s be real - fuck all works on Linux.

    bitwolf ,

    HDR support is almost finished, raytracing is pretty much rolled out, certain drm works such as Netflix.

    There is Aptx HD support, but I believe they’re reverse engineering I’m sure Aptx LL will come eventually (or Qualcomm makes it easy). I have a friend that uses Aptx/ldac but I haven’t bothered myself.

    It seems the only things that don’t work are tied to stereotypical anticompetitive companies refusing to support. Which is a shame because it’s capable of exceeding the other platforms in ease of use.

    Aux ,

    You see, the problem is that support is coming. But by the time it comes, we have 10 new technologies, which are not supported yet. Linux is useless.

    itsJoelle ,

    Now now, saying its useless is a hair strong. It works wonderfully for servers. As a work station it can be a bit of a mess keeping perfect pairity with each new, sprawling branch of tech and standards. Especially when it’s in a blind spot most people find convienent (looking at you webapps).

    It may not work for you, and what’s the harm in having more options for the consumers!

    However, the evangelizing I don’t understand.

    bitwolf ,

    To be fair. AptX in general is niche and proprietary. That fact that regular AptX and LDAC can be enabled with one command is awesome considering they’re proprietary.

    Generally, if anything is a standard it’s added much more quickly than other platforms so I wouldn’t call it useless. It’s a shame because Linux really has the best Bluetooth stack. It just works.

    I’m hopeful SBC-XQ gains traction, even if I prefer an uncompressed stream, at least we have a better A2DP standard. Linux already supports this so it’s ahead of the game.

    flashgnash ,

    I have a 4k laptop display and use it alongside 2 1080 monitors just fine nowadays, Wayland handles that no problem

    AFAIK HDR support still sucks though

    Aux ,

    Well, that’s good to know!

    flashgnash ,

    Not sure whether this is sarcasm or not

    rush ,

    Widevine DRM works in both Chrome/Chromium and Firefox. HDR Support is nearly done. Yes, we can have different DPI/Scaling per monitor thanks to Wayland.

    Go get some up-to-date information.

    AuthorityClassError , (edited ) in Already cracked

    Reading all the comments defending a $70 game with zero day DLC is just bewildering. I mean, HOW MUCH of a fucking cuck do you have to be to not only accept it, but to DEFEND it? You people deserve all the shit you get for being peasants. The rest of us sail the high seas, YARR!

    SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

    How much of a toddler do you have to be to not understand that video games were 50-60 dollar for decades? Also, can you give a single example of something that costs $70 but can entertain you for 500 hours? I don’t believe that’s a thing outside a good video game.

    AuthorityClassError ,

    This whole “dollar per hour” crap is just another simp tactic that nobody is buying anymore. But hey, if you wanna talk costs, how about the fact that we’ve been paying $60 for games for around two decades now despite the fact that physical distribution and media creation isn’t a thing anymore? Or how about the fact that for most games, we’re renting them since they’re locked by invasive DRM? How about DLCs being a standard now and games being obviously incomplete? GAAS? Shouldn’t that be cheaper since it’s basically gone the next day?

    If you want variation towards more expensive, why aren’t you considering all the factors that make shit cheaper? The answer? Because you’re simping hard like some 13 year old console fanboy. The only reason the megacorps that make AAA games need that much money is because they’ve fallen into the classic trap of having too much upkeep and flab.

    Indies have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that you can make awesome games with much smaller budgets.

    Aux ,

    It sounds like YOU are 13 years old.

    AuthorityClassError ,

    Ooof, I hit a nerve there didn’t I? It’s OK though, I’m just some rando on the internet, no need to get worked up about it. Go talk to some friends, touch grass, you’ll be fine kid.

    Aux ,

    13 years old indeed…

    SnowdenHeroOfOurTime , (edited )

    In my lifetime rent has quadrupled, video games have gone up 40% (only very recently). Yeah you’re right that the likely $10 max of distribution costs going away definitely ought to have made games $5 brand new despite inflation making every thing else insanely way more expensive.

    Only a fucking baby could mistake being completely rational for being a sImP. Fuck every single corporation. They’re all scum. Fuck irrational idiots harder though.

    I haven’t spent over $60 on a game maybe ever so try not to base your entire lifestyle on buying the world’s most expensive videogames as soon as they will take your money, then complain about it because mommy is no longer paying and you have to work for money or whatever

    And totally yeah let’s just ignore how easy it is to find images of NES games going for $90 in 1987 and that then dev teams were 1-7 people while now that number might be hundreds of people.

    The fact that you’re this mad and this unreasonable tells me you’re unhinged for some other reasons as well and you probably need a lot of therapy. Either that or go back to reddit where interactions like this are considered normal.

    AuthorityClassError ,

    Man, your simping and long diatribes are really amusing as hell. Me mad? No, not really. I actually enjoy calling out simps like you and watching them trip over themselves trying to white knight hard for corpos who don’t give a shit about you as customers. Please, do write more, I’m sure someone will make this into a great copypasta someday.

    SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

    You still sound really upset. Maybe if you ask mommy she will buy you some gamey wamies

    Not slightly surprised there wasn’t a shred of a response to the actual logic I laid out lol

    backgroundcow ,
    PipedLinkBot ,

    Here is an alternative Piped link(s): piped.video/jI2zxBAIepI

    Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

    I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.

    Tobi ,

    All kinds of sports equipment falls in that price range and can entertain you just as long, if not longer

    soloner ,

    Sports equipment is not entertaining. Don’t pretend otherwise.

    SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

    True I guess. I guess I should have added the caveat “takes large teams of people years to design and build”. Given that most sports equipment has changed slowly enough it doesn’t take 500 people 5 years to make, it’s not quite comparable. Another creative work would be, such as movies, which easily are far far more expensive for the number of hours of enjoyment experienced

    Hyperi0n ,

    You clearly don’t understand development if you are so worked up over day one DLC.

    Development has always worked in stages.

    Imaging being so tilted over a small DLC meanwhile games like BG3 get “released” after 4 years of development which the largest team seen on any one game and it was still basically unfinished mess.

    AuthorityClassError ,

    I understand greed perfectly well. I mean, you could write a comedy sketch about it at this point. “No Sir, we absolutely did not create these absolutely fabulous pieces of gear during the development of the game. Nope, not even a pixel! And this gun? This terrific looking and powerful gun that makes all the guns in the game seem meek? Totally something our gun designer thought of when he was taking a piss the SECOND after we stopped development. And this quest line that perfectly fits together with most of the game and completely changes the introduction of our sequel? Well…that’s just us being VERY good writers and not at all greedy bastards who cut off important bits of the story so we can nickle and dime you for it!”

    Then you would have someone coming in and smack them around with a trout, because reasons.

    Oh and in case you think I’m hyperboling, the examples in the sketch are all taken from actual bullshit that’s happened already.

    captain_aggravated , in I fully understand
    @captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

    The telephone network is practically useless because we don’t have any authentication to it anymore.

    When the phone company had to do something to physically connect a wire to a building, it was sufficient. But that I can download any number of apps that lets me war dial an entire continent pretending to be just anyone? Yeah the phone network isn’t secure enough for the average user.

    ikidd ,
    @ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

    It never really was secure. You could always set the Caller ID on an outgoing PRI trunk to whatever you wanted with any of the phone systems in the last half century. It isn’t validated.

    moonsnotreal ,
    @moonsnotreal@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Also phone phreaking existed. Just blow a whistle into the pay phone and get free calls.

    ikidd ,
    @ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

    I had a little touchtone dial pad I could put up to the mouthpiece and dial through with. It was sweet

    AnUnusualRelic ,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    It was when you had to ask the nice lady to connect you. That’s what happens when you remove all the infrastructure jobs.

    akatsukilevi , in Souce
    @akatsukilevi@kbin.social avatar

    Revenge, turn in a paper with a source citation for every single word

    Narrrz ,

    cite your own paper, the one you are submitting, as a source.

    just to keep things interesting, have each citation refer to another place in the text, which In turn cites another, then back to the original.

    throw in citations of your professor themselves for things taken wildly out of context.

    akatsukilevi ,
    @akatsukilevi@kbin.social avatar

    Make it a recursive loop where the citation sources all makes a wild loop through the entire paper

    Tetra , in What scares you most? And why exactly this?
    @Tetra@kbin.social avatar

    Given all my adblockers, getting ads at all is what scares me

    frippa ,
    @frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

    Yesterday my ublock failed me and I had to watch a full 5 seconds of ads for 3 times! Fortunately it seems to work after updating filters now

    Tetra ,
    @Tetra@kbin.social avatar

    See, that right there is true horror.

    frippa ,
    @frippa@lemmy.ml avatar

    Yeah, Idk why but ublock auto-nuked the filters I entered (that nice custom filter from Tumblr), i didn’t notice but I did after the satanic torture by yt (15 secs of ads I won’t get back) I fortunately went on the dashboard and noticed my filters weren’t there, immediately re-pasted them.

    Chadarius , in Come for the memes, stay for the tax advice

    There is very specifically tax fraud issues in the Bible. Mostly by tax collectors themselves. Lots of other places where it says to follow the laws of government.

    The meme does encapsulate the views of a crap ton of fake Christians though.

    Uvine_Umbra , (edited ) in Reason #7 will shock you!
    @Uvine_Umbra@partizle.com avatar

    Good, real journalism is out there; it’s just being masked by all of the clickbait fluff

    hh93 ,

    The problem is that too many people seem to want the clickbait stuff so it’s not really worth it for other than ethical reasons since the amount of people paying for journalism is too small these days

    chetradley , in this disappointment happened recently

    I can make terrible financial decisions on my own thank you very much.

    Kalkaline ,
    @Kalkaline@programming.dev avatar

    Time shares you say?

    kameecoding ,

    we dont get got.

    Llewellyn ,

    But are they terrible enough? I’m sure you could use some help.

    chetradley ,
    Sinnz ,

    Show the sum, I need some loss porn.

    chetradley ,
    argv_minus_one ,

    F

    Sinnz ,

    O7

    hellishharlot ,

    Looks like AMC

    chetradley ,

    GameStop and Ali Baba mostly

    usernamesaredifficul ,

    alibaba and the forty thieves kelly

    beta_tester , in Good morning I choose thoughts you've never had before.

    Catholics: they are the same

    Jamie , in Simple trick
    @Jamie@jamie.moe avatar

    Last time I went on vacation, the hotel wifi wouldn’t let my laptop on for some reason, but my phone was fine. The portal to log in just wouldn’t come up on my laptop.

    So I took my phone off the wifi and just spoofed my phone’s MAC address on the laptop. Did that for the whole week I was there.

    railsdev ,

    I used a travel router at the last hotel I was at but didn’t realize the firmware was buggy — it wouldn’t respond to DNS queries whatsoever on my personal network.

    I unfortunately forgot my Ethernet cable so it was a real challenge.

    Remembering that iOS uses Wi-Fi Privacy (changes MAC address constantly) I just brought up their portal on my phone, signed in, cloned the MAC address then on iOS chose “Forget this Network.”

    Worked like a charm! (Then the travel router updated its firmware and DNS was back on track.)

    Jamie ,
    @Jamie@jamie.moe avatar

    What was incredibly strange about my situation was that it was initially a DNS problem, it couldn’t resolve the addresses tha tthe hotel wifi wanted it to get to for the portal. I double checked, and basic DNS queries were working, just not those ones.

    So I figured, I’ll go on my phone, grab the IP addresses it’s connecting to, stick those in my hosts file, and they’ll get resolved. Well, this worked for the first portal address, but the one it redirected to couldn’t be reached. Nothing I tried worked, so I had to do what I described above.

    railsdev ,

    Nice workaround!

    In my situation the hotel’s DNS was properly giving out the IP address to its portal but the travel router wouldn’t respond whatsoever to DNS queries. Wireshark on a laptop showed no traffic whatsoever back; that was the firmware bug they’d addressed in the update. (DNS on the router itself going out to the hotel network was fine though.)

    Potatos_are_not_friends ,

    I didn’t think of that at all! Brilliant!

    c0mbatbag3l ,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    I did this once to get on Xbox live cause the Xbox doesn’t (or didn’t, idk I’m PC now) open the web portal for you to agree to.

    So I just changed my hardware address to my laptop’s after I went through the portal in a web browser.

    No problems. That was the moment I knew I wanted to be a network engineer. The fact that it worked was just so damn cool.

    LufyCZ ,

    If you’ve got a VPN running, it won’t work. Turned it off and the prompt came right up

    Jamie ,
    @Jamie@jamie.moe avatar

    Nah, I don’t typically run a VPN.

    Bak , in sigmaposting

    I honestly love when people screenshot memes and accidentally draw random ass lines on them

    lapislazuli ,

    It’s there to piss you off.

    Bak ,

    Critical miss

    QuazarOmega ,

    It’s the Venom pouring down on his head, a clip from Spiderman 4

    Bubonic ,

    And here I was thinking it was the recycled industrial oil that Rudy G uses as hair color.

    MonsiuerPatEBrown ,

    you’ve been Sigma-ed!

    grue , (edited )

    xkcd 47 37

    akariii ,
    grue ,
    akariii ,

    yup that makes more sense

    Bene7rddso ,

    Do you mean xkcd.com/1683 ?

    grue ,

    Whoops! no, I meant xkcd.com/37/

    hare_ware ,

    I was unaware of this even being a thing.

    0x0 ,

    I don’t think it’s an accident. It’s an attempt to fool repost detectors.

    Colour_me_triggered , in Lemmy might, MIGHT have a small bias towards the left

    The problem is that a middle class, can only be a middle class if it’s in between an upper class and a lower class. It’s in the name: MIDDLE class.

    wewbull ,

    There will always be a distribution of wealth. The key thing is how broad that distribution is.

    c0mbatbag3l ,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, there’s no problem with a meritocracy as long as the top and the bottom of the gradient aren’t (literally can’t pay bills -> more money than you could ever spend.)

    Like in no sane world would people willingly become surgeons for the same pay as a sanitation worker, that’s just fucking stupid. Why spend a decade going through school to be a doctor when you could just go pick up trash and make the same money? We have to have some kind of variation in pay scale or society wouldnt function.

    Like you said, how much difference between the top and the bottom definitely doesn’t have to be what it is.

    dessel ,

    Yeah but in the current form of meritocracy both the surgeon and the sanitation worker are relatively poor compared to the upper class. And that exactly is the problem: you cant get rich just by working.

    benjiman ,

    Assuming that the education could be free, why wouldn’t you expect people to train as surgeons?

    SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

    I think it’s funny that some people think that if they wouldn’t do it themselves then no one would.

    SCB ,

    I currently make more money than the average surgeon does in the UK, and it isn’t close. Top end is like 130k for them.

    People will still be doctors if you cut the pay doctors get, because they are, elsewhere, right now.

    TreadOnMe ,
    @TreadOnMe@hexbear.net avatar

    The problem is that the ‘middle class’ doesn’t exist. It is a series of cultural affectations, that do not apply to the majority that supposedly make up ‘the middle class’. If the ‘middle class’ can or can’t make up welders pulling 55 hours a week on overtime and an accountant working 40 hours a week, then the distinction is arbitrary. That is why Marxist distinctions of class are superior. They are dictated instead by your relationship to your means of production, and how you acquired the rights to that relationship.

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