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pivot_root , in "gaming is dead"

Meanwhile: Baldur’s Gate 3

henfredemars ,

I’m enjoying this game so much that I keep getting distracted with other things going on in the world to the point where the main story is taking all of eternity.

moog ,

not me 60 hours into the first act

Viking_Hippie ,

I too am absolutely not guilty of this 🤥

jroid8 OP ,

I don’t understand how there are so many youtube videos talking about how “gaming is dead” when we had so many big hits like this just this year alone

pivot_root , (edited )

Anyone saying gaming is dead either doesn’t play indie games, Baldur’s Gate, or doesn’t consider Nintendo to be “gaming.” In either case, it’s their loss. I’ve played so many amazing games this year.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe we just want good fps games

raltoid ,

So say fps gaming is dead, don’t try to claim all gaming is dead.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

I mean fair but at the same time if I only played fps games then that’s all gaming is to me.

So saying “gaming is dead” would apply since those are the only games I play.

This is a hypothetical btw I play more than fps and agree some companies are still producing quality content but you also can’t deny that most companies have definitely lowered their quality.

Viking_Hippie ,

Newsflash: your experience is not universal. Just because you exclusively like one genre doesn’t make it accurate to say that that genre is gaming itself.

I didn’t say that the Premier League was dead during the first third or fourth of last season just because my favourite team played like crap and frequently got unlucky in the few games they didn’t. Because that would have been equally ridiculous.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

I know…I said that already…

Viking_Hippie ,

You actually didn’t. You clarified that you yourself play more than one genre without backing down from your claim that a hypothetical someone only playing fps would be justified in saying that gaming is dead just because their own favorite genre is.

Philolurker ,

Depends on what you’re looking for in FPS games, but Battlebit Remastered is a good time.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

It definitely seems like it but it’s not available on Xbox

WarmSoda ,

And we all know if One game in One genre isn’t on One console then gaming as a whole, the entire industry and hobby, is dead.

RIP in pieces Gaming.

WarmSoda ,

🏅

Philolurker ,

Hammerwatch II and Sea of Stars just in the past few weeks. En Garde not far off. The hardest part of gaming is finding the time.

TrixieOfTheTrade ,

I think people who claim “gaming is dead” are just burnt out of games. Doing anything for long enough requires you to take a new perspective eventually, otherwise it feels so samey.

Whenever someone talks about how “games aren’t fun anymore” and such I always think they either need to take a break and do something else or completely change the way they look at/play games, maybe with a different genre, franchise, era, challenge runs such as speedruns or fan mods, and so on.

Blackmist ,

I find open world games quite tiring in general, but unfortunately a lot of my favourite games are also open world.

I tend to split them up with other games. Like I finished Death Stranding, then played Death’s Door before moving onto Horizon Forbidden West. Like little palate cleansers between main courses.

I think the pacing is the main issue. With open world it’s easy to get stuck in a loop of clearing pointless icons or side quests off a map, figuring you’ll have to do them eventually anyway, but before you get access to a better toolkit of fun, or get invested in a story. Should I do those tasks now with a handful of bland abilities, or later with better toys (but now it’s too easy because it was designed for beginners)?

The agony of choice.

Nalivai ,

Complaining about shit on youtube brings clicks. It’s harder to make “hey, here’s a good game” video that will bring you attention, but shitting on stuff works every time.

DrQuint ,

I think it’s because there’s another brand of mfers out there that see good games and go “it’s not for me, therefore nothing is”.

Yes, you dislike Tears of the Kingdom and Baldur’s Gate, hypothetical chucklefuck, here’s your award. Can you tell us what you DO like besides that instead? I finished (eh) Noita and Sonic Roboblast 2 last week, and have started Triangle Strategy and Prey. All good shit. Good games exist in everywhere.

Jaarsh119 ,

“Finished” Noita? Or “FINISHED, FINISHED” Noita? 😬

BigBananaDealer ,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

negativity = business. its why so many people seem to suddenly hate bethesda

ILikeBoobies ,

It’s AA not AAA so it still fits the meme

Sniatch , in Another Starfield Post

I don’t understand why is it popular to shit on Bethesda games? Just don’t play it if you don’t like it. At least it has no microtransacrions or Battle Pass nonsense.

CountryBreakfast ,
@CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I dont think gamers know what they want.

WereCat ,

They know exactly what they don’t want at least

CountryBreakfast ,
@CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml avatar

That isnt clear either. I wonder if some people are just routinely negative about major releases? I usually don’t have wide expectations and get into games for niche reasons, for settlement and ship building in this case. I’m not really invested in what the more negative gamers have to say because it doesn’t have much to do with why I want to play the game. Also I feel like too many are just outrage poisoned so their opinion is just guaranteed to be ridiculous.

sewerkat ,
@sewerkat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I imagine a lot of people bought it, enjoyed it for a few minutes too long to refund, and are now stuck with 60 bucks down the shitter

Makes you wonder why game demos aren’t a thing anymore

loutr ,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

70 bucks*

Sniatch ,

There are so many ways to inform yourself beforhand. You can also try it out on Gamepass. If you buy an 70 bucks game blindly its kinda your own fault.

sewerkat ,
@sewerkat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Ah yes, because it’s the customer’s fault that Bethesda released a barebones game again.

Listen. The game pass isn’t a replacement for demos. It still costs money, so for people who can only buy a limited number of games per year, that’s a no-go. It’s one of the more expensive subscription services as well. The point of demos is to be a free but limited experience of the game so people can decide whether the game is worth throwing money at without getting a subscription for hundreds of games they don’t care about or already own. Nothing against the game pass mind you, it’s great for lots of people, but it ain’t a demo.

Besides, this isn’t just about Starfield. There seem to be more games coming out unfinished than otherwise, and both that trend and the absence of demos seem to have come with SaaS games becoming the norm. Remember when no man’s sky came out? Or cyberpunk 2077? Or fallout 76? Beinging back demos won’t completely prevent cases like that, but it sure would help

Sniatch ,

You say more games are coming out unfinished and then you buy a 70 bucks game on release from Bethesda without informing yourself beforehand? Yes this is your own mistake.

Blackmist ,

There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.

Dubious_Fart ,

most people playing the game now probably got it free with their GPU/CPU purchase. You know.

Just so you know.

sewerkat ,
@sewerkat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I swear lemmy users are worse than redditors. Y’all are embarrassing the fucking fediverse you demented parrots. I’m honestly considering going back to the terrible reddit app, at least people there know how to read.

I pirate games. It’s the only way to inform yourself, but it’s widely illegal. Games reviewers are hesitant to publish critical reviews, because that means risking not getting review copies. Community reviews are constantly review bombed for any controversial game, to the point where you can’t look up whether bg3 is good without having to scroll through a deluge of rants about how they’re shoving gay propaganda down people’s throats or whatever.

Starfield got 88 on metacritic. It really does not deserve those numbers. But major bethesda releases are major news, so as a reviewer you do need to appease them. But as a customer, how are you supposed to inform yourself when Bethesda has every major outlet by the balls? I shouldn’t need to care, because as i said, i pirate before i buy, but many people just can’t safely do that. If game publishers would just release goddamn demos, they would provide an actual way for customers to inform themselves early on (when sales are the most important), and hell, maybe people would pirate less shit too. But that would mean having to release games that at least work, so of course the industry don’t want that. And corporate rimmers like you don’t help the situation

SwampYankee ,

Starfield doesn’t feel unfinished or barebones at all to me. There’s a ton of great quest content, the art is top notch, and I haven’t seen a single bug in 30 hours.

bonfire921 ,

Well steam is really pushing devs to use demos again, given it’s mostly indie at this moment but slowly more and more demos start showing up, which is nice. One can hope AAA will do this to but I highly doubt they will

MindSkipperBro12 ,

Bethesda games tend to have awful writing, released with an unacceptable amount of bugs, and not having micro transactions and a battle pass shouldn’t be praised, it must be the standard.

Oka ,

I expected it to be buggy. I have not yet encountered a bug in my first few hours.

That being said, there’s lots im not liking about it so far.

XanXic ,

I had Vasco become a part of the door to the cockpit. I couldn’t enter. I had to leave the ship and hit the specific ‘to cockpit’ button for a few hours because reloading didn’t save him from his torment. Only bug I’ve had but was weird lol.

ForbiddenRoot ,

Vasco quite frequently blocks the door everywhere for me, but at least I have been able to push my way through so far. He’s like my Golden Retriever in that respect so I am used to it from real life.

Blackmist ,

The big super-mutant companion from Fallout 3 did the same.

It’s nice to know Bethesda are keeping all the fan favourite bugs alive and well.

Dubious_Fart ,

Real sad that Vasco isnt a full companion. Had so much potential there, instead, all he is is a glorified tutorial escort for the start of the game, and graduates to annoying barricade for the rest of it.

Redredme ,

So it should be praised as it currently isn’t the standard in the gaming industry. But hey, let’s shit on it so we can totally tell the industry that this is the wrong path and micro transactions are the way to go!

Phegan ,

Right now it needs to be praised so it becomes the standard.

gizmonicus ,

The only way it becomes standard is when it isn’t profitable. We can scream all we want, but people still buy that crap.

Dubious_Fart ,

It is the standard, idiot fucking gamergoblins dumping their wallets out saying “GIVE ME ADVANTAGES” are the assholes thats are trying to change the standard.

c0mbatbag3l ,
@c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

When will you learn the only thing that gets results is buying or not buying them? Fucks sake. It’s capitalism, if you buy shitty product more shitty product gets made.

iheartneopets , (edited )

I don’t understand why it’s so popular NOT to shit on them. Remember when Andromeda came out with many of the same issues, and people fucking REAMED it (rightly)? Now Bethesda is finally getting SOME criticism for their shitty business and game development practices and we have lots of people out here suckling at their teat defending them for some reason. “Leave them alone, it’s just a Bethesda game, why do people love to hate them, wahhhh.”

As if Bethesda isn’t one of the most beloved companies of all time, and most everyone started from a place of WANTING to love this game. But they’ve been making shitty decisions for years, hiding behind the nostalgia of their past titles, and they are overdue some criticism. It doesn’t mean everyone hates them.

flucksy_bango ,

Remember when Andromeda came out with many of the same issues, and people fucking REEMED it

No, enlighten me, because I fucking hated Andromeda.

iheartneopets ,

Typo on my part, but a definition of ‘ream’ is to reprimand or beat up, essentially

flucksy_bango ,

It actually means to make a hole bigger

iheartneopets ,

As a phrasal verb it also means to reprimand severely

flucksy_bango ,

I wonder why they’re synonymous.

szczuroarturo ,

I dont know why pepole shited so much on Andromeda.it was fairly ok title and i personaly was looking forward to next part( which sadly probably wont happen ). Certainly gameplay fitted andromeda more than inquisition. Alghtough from what i have seen i definietly wouldnt be so amazed as some journalist seem to be but Its a ok title. Not a BG3 for certain. Alghtough i admittedly never really liked bethesda style games.i even prefered dragon age 2 rather than skyrim. Bethesda games are too diluted for my tastes.

Astroturfed , in Defediverse

But seriously, fuck them tankies.

unionagainstdhmo , in Ban dihydrogen monoxide
@unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone avatar

DHMO pollutes our rivers, water supplies and our bodies. Everyone who has died has had some form of contact with DHMO, either as a pollutant within their body or in the environment. Some people even drink it because “scientists” say we “need” it to survive.

FancyLad ,
@FancyLad@lemmy.world avatar

I appreciate your commitment to the bit.

ZoomeristLeninist , in Defediverse
@ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net avatar

lol its this shit every time libs see a legitimate left stance. im assuming you’ve seen the sh.itjust.works defed post. its like 5 super vocal users having a conniption fit that there are communists on the internet

Tankiedesantski ,

Hah. As if anyone could be more angry at communists on the internet than other communists on the internet.

SnowdenHeroOfOurTime , in I dont like drama

“I don’t like drama” is always said by people who cause drama. This drama stirring meme is 100% expected from someone who would write that title

sturmblast ,

well that’s just not true

CurlyMoustache ,
@CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world avatar

From the same people who gave you

  • I’m never unfaithful
  • I never get into fights
  • I’m not a bully
6daemonbag ,

See also: I tell It like it is; I’m brutally honest

SMITHandWESSON ,
@SMITHandWESSON@lemmy.world avatar

Ehh, who cares? It’s just more political nonsense anyways, and the less I see of that shit the better.

Hyperreality , in I must harness this power

Methane is lighter than air. You deflated your balloon intestines by removing the cork, so the methane and other gases are no longer giving you a modicum of buoyancy.

perspectiveshifting OP ,

🫄⬅️ me with 1lb of poop and -1.4lb of methane

Spliffman1 ,
@Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

This accutally sounds scientifically correct

balderdash9 , in My body can't handle that much fun it seems

I did nothing but play video games and jerk off this weekend. It was glorious

Gormadt , in Jacque Fresco
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Uh yeah, until society can change one still has to participate in it

danielton , in Had to go to 'custom' and type zero too
@danielton@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve had kiosks prompt me for tips, even making me hit Custom and type 0.00.

I’m so tired of Wall Street Journal, Readers Digest, Square, and Clover pushing the idea that we need to tip everybody everywhere because covid. It’s ridiculous. I don’t want to live in a country where everybody behind a counter can be paid $2.13 an hour.

SimplyATable ,

That’s only if you live in a state where they’re allowed to pay that

danielton ,
@danielton@lemmy.world avatar

Which is still the majority of them.

PunnyName , (edited )

One thought that could change this whole thing:

Paying higher wages.

It’s a crazy idea!

danielton ,
@danielton@lemmy.world avatar

Right? It’s not covid. The media and Square are helping employers get away with shit wages.

Colorcodedresistor ,

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  • PunnyName ,

    Prices went up anyway. Minimum wage increases aren’t a permanent fix, of course.

    But let’s do them anyway, and stop trying to predict the future.

    BCsven ,

    I don’t tgink tipping is responsible for that low a wage. in BC Canada its almost $16 min wage, plus tips

    danielton ,
    @danielton@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m talking about the US, of course. Most states still allow employers to pay “tipped employees” $2.13 an hour.

    BCsven ,

    Yep, but the underlying problem is not tipping, it is just shitty US laws, otherwise we would see the same low wage in Canada because tip culture is the same

    danielton ,
    @danielton@lemmy.world avatar

    Tipping culture is a thing in Canada only because of its proximity to the US. It’s not a thing in the rest of the world. Tipping always pushes wages down because why would employers need to pay more when employees get tips?

    The whole tipping thing started as a way for restaurant owners to pay their servers less (or nothing). It needs to go.

    BCsven ,

    it didn’t start that way, it was a way to ensure prompt attentive service, it was on the table at the start so staff saw a bonus coming for being very attentive. Not saying that is a good way either, but USA has allowed it to drive down wages. Here minimum wage is almost identical across the country regardless of job type.

    danielton ,
    @danielton@lemmy.world avatar

    Are tips mandatory in Canada like they are here in the US? If yes, then customers are still subsidizing employee wages.

    BCsven ,

    Suggested, not mandatory. Some places have stopped allowing tips being accepted by staff.

    dontcarebear ,

    Tips are crowd funding service employees, and the moral responsibility is on the customer.

    It is a disgustingly greedy move.

    If I’m paying for the service, I might as well pay the chef and give the owner fuck-all.

    danielton ,
    @danielton@lemmy.world avatar

    The sad thing is, enough Americans think being able to tip everybody more easily is a great thing, so this is only going to continue to get worse.

    Wirlocke , in Lemmy might, MIGHT have a small bias towards the left

    Honestly, I think capitalism wouldn’t be so bad if it was limited to what it’s good at. Fashion, tech, entertainment, snacks, ect.

    But essential food, housing, water, healthcare, even electricity and internet access, the idea that these things that will always have infinite demand is haphazardly controlled through profit motive is disgusting.

    Infrastructures should be government controlled and free. Essential resources should have some sort of universal basic “food stamps” system. Then actual money just becomes the luxury “fun bucks” that you don’t lose out on if you don’t have a lot. For example pet owners would be given a credits for pet food and free vet care, but a silly pet costume would use money.

    Disclaimer: This is just a personal idea I’ve been mulling over, I’m sure there’s a million holes in it.

    Graylitic ,

    The issue with allowing Capitalism of some commodities leads to wealth accumulation and Capitalist control, who will walk back those protections and privitize again.

    Marx actually had a similar idea, Labor Vouchers. You work, and get paid for what you actually crested. Then, when used, these Vouchers are destroyed so they can’t circulate and accumulate.

    GrainEater ,
    @GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    I think capitalism wouldn’t be so bad if it was limited to what it’s good at. Fashion, tech, entertainment, snacks, ect.

    The thing is that capitalism isn’t “good” at anything; all value is produced by workers. Fast fashion is an environmental nightmare, development of tech is in the interest of capital (automation shouldn’t be a threat to workers), most entertainment is constrained by the diktats of massive corporations, the vast majority of snacks are either unhealthy or extremely overpriced, and workers (particularly in the Global South) are being abused in all four cases

    couragethebravedog ,

    Capitalism is definitely good at some things. Specifically generating wealth. If you’re a developing country you want to use capitalism because it will grow your economy as fast as possible. I think once a county has built enough wealth, they should switch to a blended system.

    GrainEater ,
    @GrainEater@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    No, if you’re a developing country, you want a planned economy. The only reason to allow private capital would be to gain access to foreign technology and to stave off imperialism until you’re capable of self-defense

    glockenspiel ,

    The only reason a developing country would want capitalism to generate wealth is because the established capitalist order will blockade or otherwise decimate any country which tries to step out of line. We’ve seen it time and again throughout modern history. Planned economies work for developing countries. They work so well that capitalist countries will band together in order to isolate those economies from the world out of fear of contagion. This was, for example, a key reason capitalist countries tried to contain and isolate the USSR and China, before both started embracing liberalization policies.

    jhulten ,

    Capital doesn’t generate wealth. Labor generates wealth. Capital takes an oversized percentage of that wealth because the kind of financing that Capital provides requires Capital to be in charge.

    blackn1ght ,

    The thing is that capitalism isn’t “good” at anything; all value is produced by workers

    Why’s that bad? Value has to be produced somehow, either by people or machines.

    automation shouldn’t be a threat to workers

    Depends on the automation. Automation can unlock workers to perform more meaningful tasks. Throughout history machines have taken over people’s jobs to increase productivity, but said machines have spawned jobs.

    redempt ,

    capitalism doesn’t make us any better at producing anything. in many ways it makes us worse. under capitalism, automation means people will lose their jobs.

    glasgitarrewelt ,

    …capitalism wouldn’t be so bad if it was limited to what it’s good at. Fashion, tech, entertainment, snacks, ect.

    I feel like we see the worst outcomes of those areas under capitalism. If you are poor you often can afford only unhealthy food, fashion is an ecological nightmare and tech produces unbelivable amounts of e-waste. And entertainment is basically only there to serve you ads and stimulate consumption.

    yogthos ,
    @yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

    I think you’re thinking of markets, but those aren’t exclusive to capitalism. For example, you could have a private sector economy delivering nice to have goods that’s organized using cooperative ownership. The cooperatives can compete with each other the same way capitalist companies do without the problems associated with capital concentration. Meanwhile, I completely agree with you that anything that’s essential should be provided by the public sector and profit should not be a consideration there.

    retrieval4558 ,

    This is probably my desired system.

    yogthos ,
    @yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

    I think that would be pretty sensible.

    SeaJ ,

    Isn’t that basically what Yugoslavia was shooting for?

    Dentzy ,

    I mostly agree; personally I see it more as a minimums covered than specific sectors, so, capitalism is acceptable -and might be a better environment for personal growth than most- as long as everyone has the basics covered, so a roof over their head, basic food, basic clothing, minimal energy to cover AC/Heating and other minimal usage (that would need to be set by specialists, but you get the idea, X KW/h free per person/month), good public transportation, full healthcare and communication access. And then, depending on your situation you can improve over it, by paying the extras, like, example, I think everyone should have access to a 5Mb Internet access for free (Maybe a 5Gb data cap to prevent abuse, but, after the 5GB it slows down, so, you never actually lose the access). That is good for basic browsing, messaging and Social Media applications, with that, people are never locked out of the online world, allowing for job hunting, for appointment taking and other similar necessities, communication with friends and family, but also, public organisms and private companies. This access is either managed by the government via Public Companies, or mandated to Private Companies as a necessary requirement to be allowed to work in the Country (like, you need to have a $0 plan available or you are not granted the bandwidth usage). Then, if you are interested, you can buy higher packages, those would be “controlled” by the Private Companies in a “capitalistic” way.

    Why I like this approach? I think that the current “deification” of work is wrong -pushed actually by wealthy capitalists-, people should be allowed to simply exist, even if they do not work (they can be lazy, yes -and I do not see anything wrong with it-, but also, they can be deeply depressed, heavily disabled -or taking care of someone that is- or simply focusing on art, sports or other activities that not necessarily grant income), my approach would allow for it, but then you can also work if you want/can -for as long as you want/can- to have more (bigger house, better Internet access, designer clothes). I am privileged, I worked hard to get where I am, but I am in a good position, I would not stop working if only my basics would be covered, for me, the work I get paid for is an acceptable trade off for getting a bit more, but even then, I would be way more relaxed and enjoying life, if I knew that losing my job would mean losing my “small luxuries” but not condemning myself to poverty.

    That’s why I don’t fully agree with your division by sectors, because some can be very clear -snacks-, but others are more complicated -like tech, having the latest smartphone very year is a luxury, having a simple working smartphone is a necessity in today’s world-, or it can even vary -Like Internet was a luxury 20 years ago, but it is a necessity today-.

    I hope you get the idea, sorry for the wall of text.

    SeaJ ,

    Capitalism may be good with fashion but actually seeing that art into production is fucking horrible and filled with rampant human rights and environmental abuse.

    That’s not to say it can’t work decently. We just need a level playing field in the form of international regulation.

    Treczoks , in Winter time be like

    I know why migratory birds fly faraway south in the winter. It is not because of the cold, or the lack of food.

    It is solely because they want to escape "Last Christmas" on repeat from each and every loudspeaker.

    Blubber28 OP ,

    As a biologist I can confirm this 😂

    appel , in Everything I don’t like is Socialist

    Whenever someone calls something “socialist”, ask them to explain socialism to you and watch their argument fold like a wet blanket. They usually have no idea. In fact, many would love a healthy dose of Northern European socialism in their lives, as long as you call it “Owningthelibism” or something.

    This is why we can’t have nice things.

    Tetsuo ,

    I had multiple times experiences like that with American redditors.

    They would say that socialism is nazism because National Socialism.

    So yeah, didn’t know really what to answer to such level of ignorance.

    AntifaSuperWombat ,
    @AntifaSuperWombat@hexbear.net avatar

    “Learn how German Komposita work, you illiterate dipshit!” is a pretty straightforward and effective reply.

    Notorious_handholder ,

    I’ve always countered that with the following :

    Yes, Nazi’s, the very trustworthy group that would not lie about calling themselves socialists for propoganda and popularity reasons (post ww1 German public had popular sentiment with socialist ideas). The same ones that went out of their way to then kill Jews, communists, socialists, and other individuals that believed in socialistic ideals.

    I’m also sure that the democratic peoples republic of Korea has very fair and free democratic elections!

    If they continue arguing about it after that then I know they’re a lost cause

    AntiOutsideAktion ,
    @AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net avatar

    Capitalism with social programs is better than without, but that’s not socialism. It’s just not neoliberalism.

    Milk_SDF_Possum ,
    @Milk_SDF_Possum@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    What makes countries where the State has high power fail then?

    masquenox ,

    Not socialism.

    Milk_SDF_Possum ,
    @Milk_SDF_Possum@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Concentration of power with those “social services”, making people pay higher taxes many times for unfair reasons. Socialism has all the power on the State with no or little room for individuals themselves to make their businesses and companies, companies that’ll thrive will be friends with the king and create a monopoly in that country. Putting everything in the hands of the State is a recipe of disaster.

    PreachHard ,

    When you say “no room to make business.” That’s where I think the fundamental disagreement is rooted. Socialism is inherently built on the idea that what you are building in a capitalist system is exploiting labour. The people you bring in should have ownership of the company too in a socialist system, not the state. What you’re describing is a communist dictatorship. State programs should be run by the state just as they are in most countries now. You certainly don’t want companies running your government.

    christiansocialist ,

    Socialism has all the power on the State with no or little room for individuals themselves to make their businesses and companies, companies that’ll thrive will be friends with the king and create a monopoly in that country.

    China has tons of small and big businesses and it’s still socialist.

    DPRK_Chopra ,
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  • christiansocialist ,

    “Bu-bu-but they’re a bunch of [insert super racist remarks about Asian ppl]”

    Milk_SDF_Possum ,
    @Milk_SDF_Possum@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Chinese companies are basically extensions of the government.

    OutOfIdeas ,
    @OutOfIdeas@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Most corperations are, in any country.

    masquenox ,

    Putting everything in the hands of the State is a recipe of disaster.

    Tell me you don’t understand what the word socialism means without telling me you don’t understand what the word socialism means.

    AntiOutsideAktion ,
    @AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net avatar

    The fuck

    outer_spec ,
    @outer_spec@lemmy.studio avatar

    🤓

    AntiOutsideAktion ,
    @AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net avatar
    SnowdenHeroOfOurTime ,

    Ok so you posted a random image of a cartoon teenager. Is this supposed to convey an idea in any way?

    XEAL ,

    Bless the cold war brainwash with loads if patriotism on USA citizens. It seems to still be working.

    TimeSquirrel ,
    @TimeSquirrel@kbin.social avatar

    There are "socialists" running around who don't know what socialism is. Hint: it has nothing to do with government-subsidized services.

    Eldritch ,

    While that’s technically true. It’s not truly accurate. Considering that at the time a lot of these terms were coined. Healthcare was either nonexistent or a much different thing. Nationalizing basic needs makes a lot of sense in, and is often an agenda of socialist and communist systems.

    Just because they don’t match or evolved past those archaic definitions doesn’t make you more right or them less ultimately. We might large that they should go further. But there’s no true Scotsman Naval gazing is only counterproductive.

    InputZero ,

    Yeah but they’re still linked. Like, yeah socialism has nothing to do with welfare programmes. However in the real world where a government is involved government welfare programmes are the most obvious tools that the government uses to enact socialism. Talking about one leads into talking about the other. Unless we’re talking anarchy.

    Attica! Attica!

    Dirk , in Kenya
    @Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

    “AI will kill us all!”

    AI:

    jaamesbaxterr ,

    The closest I could find is kill. Which starts with a ‘k’ sound but begins with the letter ‘k’.

    30p87 ,

    Besides it’s ML, not really AI, this answer was actually generated by AI. Even though the google assistant and search are simple algorithms, that particular search result is from a prompt of ChatGPT where it agreed to the explicit statement “There are no African countries starting with K.”

    uphillbothways , in Oh no...
    @uphillbothways@kbin.social avatar

    When they rigged the system against you after squeezing every last bit of resources for themselves, then acted like you were just irresponsible and don't get why you're horribly depressed being left with a hopeless wad of shit behind every corner and under every stone

    br3w0r ,

    Whining about how things work is all you can do? This is how the world works. If you can change anything about it, please do. Else, stop this shit or use the only way you can to escape this world.

    pthaloblue ,

    Wow thanks Captain Bootstraps!

    wanderingmagus ,

    How about I do it to the world instead? People like you are why I joined the SSBN force, so I can get a front row seat when I get the order to flip the switch and set 1SQ.

    ZodiacSF1969 ,

    What’s SSBN?

    wanderingmagus ,

    Submersible Ship, Ballistic Missile, Nuclear Powered. Aka, a strategic nuclear submarine capable of carrying up to 24 submarine launched ballistic missiles, each capable of carrying in excess of eight thermonuclear reentry vehicles, each capable of delivering in excess of ten Hiroshimas. Condition 1SQ is the condition set for launching these SLBMs, set only upon receiving a validated and authenticated Emergency Action Message.

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