Oof yeah, some places here are just full of it. It makes sense out of an archival perspective but it also loweres engagement because OP is never going to look at a comment
That’s fair. I see that plenty in the stomping grounds I cater to (shameless plug for [email protected]). Part of why I make it a point to make OC, outside of my very first post to dip my toes into meme making and 2 recreations of “classic” memes that needed the HD treatment. It’s not a bad thing to hold onto those old jokes and fond memories. Many of them stand strong for a reason and hopefully they help drive creativity forward as they have for me/others.
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So this guy had a video about Falling Down, I seen the pop culture and memes but never the movie. I was like well that was interesting, I’ll give a follow. Then he released an Encanto video… I love the movie and it’s my daughters favourite. He then went on to shit on every character because they didn’t want to fit into the role therr grandmother forced them into. Among other things he; said the arranged marriage was not a bad thing, the strong girl should suck it up, it doens’t matter what you want if you have responsibility, they should follow their traditions and then blamed Mirabel for all the trouble. Missing the main point of the movie being about generational trauma and wanting better for your children. Sorry for long rant xD
I watched Falling Down for the first time a few months ago, really only knowing Frank Grimes was based on him and it was an experience.
For me it’s usually more like youtube recommends the channel, I put the channel on as background for a day or two, even to the point of subbing maybe, until they get to a topic I actually know something about and realize they’re just reading wikipedia or regurgitating netflix documentaries or something and don’t really bother to understand what they’re talking about
Funnily enough, that’s exactly how I stopped smoking. I smoked for around 17 years and had been trying to quit for nearly 15 of them. I did everything from pills to nicotine substitutions, hypnosis, and even that laser therapy. It would work for a time, but eventually, within a month or two, I’d be back to smoking.
Then, one day, I was in a really foul mood and just didn’t want to deal with people. I ran out of cigarettes right at the end of the evening before bed and figured I’d buy some in the morning. Woke up in a worse mood the next day and decided to just stay home and ride it out. It is best for me to avoid people when I get like that, so that’s what I did. The following day, I woke up in a better mood and was about to head to the corner store for a pack when I realized I’d already gone near 36 hours without one, so thought why not wait an hour. An hour passed, and decided to wait another hour, and then another, and another. Before I knew it, I was heading back to bed for my second full day being cigaretteless.
At that point, I decided to continue my smoke-free streak and just quit. It’s been nearly 6 years since my last cigarette, and it was one of the best decisions I’ve made in my life.
Context: I’m a disabled veteran with severe PTSD, anxiety, depression, and mood disorders caused by TBI’s. I have days where everything seems to act up all at once, and I’ll self isolate because it’s just safer for everyone if I’m alone during those times. Furthermore, I started smoking while in combat to help take the “edge” off, and as such, the nicotine addiction was extremely difficult for me to get beyond because it got wrapped up in my PTSD and anxiety issues.
Basically, what I learned from my many years of trying to quit is no matter how you “try” if you don’t truly want to quit, you won’t succeed. You have to want to quit more than you want that next cigarette.
Good luck to anyone out there still struggling to break a nicotine addiction. Stay strong. You can do it.
Wiki is a circlejerk of people who have gotten their digital power and want to play pretend that they’re doing something important, something that has gravitas. So they’ll have a “discussion” for a week on whether the first president convicted of 34 felonies is a “significant” fact. This is what brain dead “neutrality” looks like.
It’s not like they’re arguing over something emergent like pulling a drowning man to shore or something though. And it’s a better system than the closed encyclopedias where the facts are whatever the company determines. So while it sucks that we have to have a discussion to tell the trump supporters they can’t censor Wikipedia (again) it’s better than the alternatives.
Meat industry: have to ramp up production because fucking idiotic people continue to breed uncontrollably and unsustanably
disease starts spreading and affecting the industry
Smug-ass cultist vegans: MuSt Be ThE mEaT eAtErS!!!1 Come on, my wife Moon Seashell, we need to get you pregnant again because our 14 malnourished kids isn’t enough!
True, increased demand for meat is one of the driving factors of ecological malpractise as it’s found in the meat industry.
Plant based diets and a lifestyle free of animal products provide a more sustainable and ecologically beneficial alternative. As does reducing the overall world population of course.
A lifetime free of animal products is not sustainable. Humans need at least some meat to survive. The average person eats too much which isn’t helping. Advocating a vegan (or even vegetarian) diet is ignoring science and how our bodies function. It causes long-term, serious harm to people who do not supplement their diet with at least some meat.
Pure veganism is a cult that ignores science, diet, and common sense. Nothing wrong with eating vegan meals (I love them) but completely cutting out meat is bad for you.
We evolved to NEED to eat everything, plants AND animals. Basic science, vegan cultist. You’re a death cult and just as bad as religion, spreading unhealthy bullshit to people who don’t know any better.
People say that like forever. And those “vegan cultists” we told that 3 decades ago (and we were waiting for them to die of malnutrition) are still healthy and happy while the average supermarket-joe got fat and unhappy or is long dead by now.
I’m no vegan btw. but why would i argue with science? Just because we evolved to be able to eat nearly everything doesn’t mean we should. We could probably survive a good while on just eating hoofs or tree bark. Doesn’t mean we should include it in our diet.
Science says meat contains proteins and nutrients that are incredibly difficult to get and get enough of in plants to live well.
In case you were unaware, it was the fact that we became meat-eating omnivores that is the REASON we evolved to become the intelligent creatures we are. Do vegans want to de-evolve into basic, stupid creatures? Seems that way.
I swear, people like you do nothing but spread misinformation and I’m fucking sick of it. Veganism is a laughable, horrible, unsafe, dangerous cult and you actually defend it.
“Lasting longer” on plants means we get the nutrition we need to barely continuously function on plants. That’s like pushing around a car and claiming it still works. Our cognitive abilities and our core strength both rely on animal meat to run at their full capacity. And even with just plants, our health slowly deteriorates to the point where even that isn’t enough any more. Look up the vast number of people online who have recanted their vegan vows because of severe health issues. People who say they’re pure vegan and don’t have issues are either vegetarian (which an added strong diet of eggs is a vast improvement over a pure vegan diet though not perfect) and/or cheat on their diet (which is much more likely).
You can’t argue against science. It’s pathetic. You’re like the fucking flat earthers and god-lovers. Still clinging to an obsolete, bullshit, laughable belief in fucking 2024 when we should all be together in understanding how the world fucking works.
Humans need at least some meat to survive. […] It causes long-term, serious harm to people who do not supplement their diet with at least some meat. […] completely cutting out meat is bad for you.
That is not correct.
Advocating a vegan (or even vegetarian) diet is ignoring science and how our bodies function. […] Pure veganism is a cult that ignores science, diet, and common sense.
To the contrary. It is very much supported by science. Are you interested in the scientific literature? I’ll happily share.
It’s impossible to trust any sources these days because there are hidden agendas. The fact remains: we are omnivores and have shown to have used meat to evolve to current humans with high intelligence.
No amount of “scientific literature” can contradict actual, basic, fundamental science about who we are and what we are supposed to eat. Anyone who does has an agenda.
It’s impossible to trust any sources these days because there are hidden agendas. […] No amount of “scientific literature” can contradict actual, basic, fundamental science about who we are and what we are supposed to eat. Anyone who does has an agenda.
Sounds more like, “I don’t like it, so it must be an agenda”.
If you have issues trusting science we won’t come to an agreement here. Having a biased view and choosing what you want to believe, despite contradicting evidence, is building an illusion and not having an accurate picture of reality.
Note that research on that topic has not just popped up in the last couple of years. Also you may take a look at other cultures for hands-on counterexamples, e.g. some monks who live and have lived their whole lifes without consuming animal products.
The fact remains: we are omnivores
I wonder how you decide what a “fact” is, since you have issues trusting the work of scientists.
Anyway:
The fact also remains that digestion capabilites, i.e. being able to eat both plant and animal matter, don’t necessarily impose dietary recommendations.
What you need to survive is a set of nutrients your body can digest. In which form they come, is less important.
Every single unbiased description of a human being ever. Don’t bother with your vegan-funded “health” organizations who just want to kill us.
It’s funny how every single vegan comes after me whenever I say the obvious fact that we need meat. Almost like they are a cult and want to hide the truth. The reason I come after vegans is because it’s dangerous and abusive and unhealthy, not because of some programmed agenda that has to be carefully hidden by a death cult.
I’m not vegan, I eat meat. I ask for evidence because you’re clearly biased and using emotionally charged and unscientific language when you dismiss the vegan diet. So I don’t believe you have a real understanding of the science or potential nutritional complications.
Don’t bother replying with “it’s just common sense” reworded for a third time. If you can’t provide evidence, that’s fine, but you don’t need to keep going on your dramatic crusade against something you don’t understand in the comments. I’m not asking for your opinion.
What evidence do you want? The tons of descriptions about human beings in our entire history isn’t enough for you? The fact that our teeth, our digestive system, and every single part of us is engineered to require meat? You can’t argue against science, because you’re just wrong if you do. All of these “studies” are doing is trying to rally against established science. This isn’t opinion. This isn’t some “dramatic crusade”. This is fact. You are the one that cannot and will not understand facts. And I don’t care if you claim to eat meat, you’re apparently arguing against it which goes against what you say you are doing which makes me believe that you’re lying just to make people think you’re “objective” and “open minded” when you’re anything but.
We are omnivores. This is a fact. We need at least some meat to live well. This is a fact. I have never claimed that vegetarian or vegan meals are bad for you. I have never claimed that we need to eat a ton of meat; on the contrary, I believe we do eat too much meat as a society and can cut back quite a bit. But cutting it out entirely? No. That’s wrong. That goes against everything we are as human beings.
I don’t know what else I can tell you. If you still are hung up on your vegan bullshit, I have nothing else to say because you’re just brainwashed and in a cult. It’s that simple.
I want literally any evidence. You are clearly incapable of providing any to support your even most basic claim. I’m not arguing against meat, I’m arguing against ignorance and dishonesty. I had rotisserie chicken from Walmart for lunch. If you had provided any source for your claim, I would have read it fully and with an open mind. I’m not biased towards veganism, I wanted to know if the claims you are making have any basis in reality so I can make an informed decision. This is your third comment saying the same thing without evidence, and arguing like a child. I don’t mean that to be derogatory either, if you’re still in school or a child, that’s fine. But I’m not interested in a discussion at that level.
You have shown repeatedly that you can’t have an honest discussion and are close minded and conspiratorial. I’m not going to bother replying anymore, it’s just getting obnoxious.
Instead of constantly badgering me here, maybe try a search or two to get a flood of actual, unbiased proof that vegan diets are unhealthy. Ever think of that? Because that’s what I did when vegans started claiming your bullshit.
And tell me this: if you’re so fucking convinced vegans are right, why did you eat meat? Hmm? Because you didn’t. You’re a brainless, starving for actual substance vegan cosplaying as an omnivore trying to gain any shred of credibility. Fuck off.
I’m not convinced vegans are right. If you’re so convinced that I’m lying, why do you keep replying? Are you just trolling or do you have anger issues?
And if you can’t provide me with a single link to back up your own claim, then I don’t believe you have spent a single second researching unbiased proof.
So precisely how long are vegans able to survive without suffering ill effects? Because I mean we’ve all heard of people who have lived on that diet long term, so at what point do the wheels start to fall off so to speak? Is there some kind of extended latency period where you are okay before you get sick, or are vegan influencers just pretending to be healthy?
Also your how do you propose we change our agricultural practices so that our food supply isn’t tainted by sick meat grown in poor conditions? There’s a lot of evidence that there’s not enough land mass on earth to feed everyone a diet of free range grass fed beef. Or do you propose we run full steam ahead with factory farming and damn the consequences?
No vegan has lived on a pure vegan diet long enough to not have severe issues. If you search you will find tons of former vegans who were forced off of their pure vegan diets by severe medical issues. People who call themselves “vegans” and are still doing well after a long time are either really vegetarians who eat a lot of animal-derived products to compensate, or cheat and eat meat here and there.
Yes i understand what you are getting at there, but my question is precisely how long does one have before the wheels fall off while eating a strict vegan diet? Are we talking a matter of days, weeks, months, years, or decades?
It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes. Plant-based diets are more environmentally sustainable than diets rich in animal products because they use fewer natural resources and are associated with much less environmental damage. Vegetarians and vegans are at reduced risk of certain health conditions, including ischemic heart disease, type 2 diabetes, hypertension, certain types of cancer, and obesity. Low intake of saturated fat and high intakes of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, legumes, soy products, nuts, and seeds (all rich in fiber and phytochemicals) are characteristics of vegetarian and vegan diets that produce lower total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels and better serum glucose control. These factors contribute to reduction of chronic disease
Nevertheless, several RCTs [randomized controlled trials] have examined the effect of vegetarian diets on intermediate risk factors of cardiovascular diseases (Table 1). In a meta-analysis of RCTs, Wang et al. (22) found vegetarian diets to significantly lower blood concentrations of total, LDL, HDL, and non-HDL cholesterol relative to a range of omnivorous control diets. Other meta-analyses have found vegetarian diets to lower blood pressure, enhance weight loss, and improve glycemic control to greater extent than omnivorous comparison diets (23-25). Taken together, the beneficial effects of such diets on established proximal determinants of cardiovascular diseases found in RCTs, and their inverse associations with hard cardiovascular endpoints found in prospective cohort studies provide strong support for the adoption of healthful plant-based diets for cardiovascular disease prevention
Well-planned vegan and other types of vegetarian diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including during pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence. Vegetarian diets offer a number of nutritional benefits, including lower levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, and animal protein as well as higher levels of carbohydrates, fiber, magnesium, potassium, folate, and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E and phytochemicals
I love how people love to rag on vegans talking about veganism unprovoked.
Those damn vegans always not even being part of the conversation yet! Let’s make fun of them trying to save the planet so they can show up and we can talk about how self-righteous they are.
I also find it amusing that anything that mentions animal rights or factory farms is assumed to be a pushy vegan. I’ve met dozens of people who buy grass-fed flesh because “its better for the animals”. Ignoring that it isn’t
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