People are shamed for smoking as they should be for its health effects on them and others. Obesity should be treated no differently. You don’t get to 400lb because of a bad thyroid, you get to 400lbs because you are addicted to food and over consumption. It puts undue strain on our medical facilities, and impacts the obese indivuals ability to be a functioning member of society. There should be conversations about why it’s bad. We shouldn’t treat it like some innocent personal choice when it is not, it’s shortening lifespans, the bad diet exacerbates mental health issues, can lead to diseases like type 2 diabetes. The problem is we don’t also target the food industry as much as we should for them pushing all the sugar coated processed garbage in the first place. They should be equally as ostracized as tobacco companies are for their aid in a similar epidemic.
I’m not fat, and I love me some cheese. I’m pretty sure that most of the fat people I know eat far less variety of foods than I do, so I’m not certain that we can blame fat people for that. I’ve personally had a theory, based entirely on anecdotal evidence, for some time that being a picky eater is more likely to lead to obesity than any other factor, barring medical reasons such as a dysfunctional thyroid.
And being a picky eater can be, but isn’t always, linked to several other factors, like Avoidant/Restrictive Food Intake Disorder (which can be treated, usually with CBT)
How do you factor in the overabundance of cheap, nutritionally fucked food, and how that may affect those living paycheck to paycheck? It feels odd to recognize it’s a problem, but then also claim obesity is an absolute failing that should be universally shamed.
Side note, as a nurse I’ve seen patients who are obese because of circumstances and medical issues. Someone who has to work two jobs, has a kid, and newly discovered hypothyroidism is not obese because they don’t care. They have a medical issue and no extra time/resources to compensate for it with a refined diet and exercise (especially considering one of the most common symptoms of hypothyroidism is fatigue). You’re not even factoring in the undiagnosed, or those who don’t have access to sufficient healthcare.
My overall point is if you’re targeting obese people specifically, you’re not on the right track.
I maintain my lean figure by consuming 1000 calories of Soylent for the morning/lunch time and and pigging out for dinner. There is cheap nutritionally good food, but junk food addicts don’t care to seek it out.
How do you factor in the overabundance of cheap, nutritionally fucked food, and how that may affect those living paycheck to paycheck?
I eat constantly processed shit. I hate cooking, but it’s still damn simple, don’t get the biggest meal at McDonald’s, get the low sodium/fat frozen pre cooked meals that only have a couple hundred calories per serving for under the cost of a meal from fast food. Then you just don’t over eat, wait 20mins or so after and let your body naturally tell you it’s full instead of eating until you want to puke. Bottled water is cheaper than cans or soda regardless of if you get them from a dollar store or not. It’s literally cheaper to eat less food which is the main part of weight maintenance.
Side note, as a nurse I’ve seen patients who are obese because of circumstances and medical issues. Someone who has to work two jobs, has a kid, and newly discovered hypothyroidism is not obese because they don’t care. They have a medical issue and no extra time/resources to compensate for it with a refined diet and exercise (especially considering one of the most common symptoms of hypothyroidism is fatigue). You’re not even factoring in the undiagnosed, or those who don’t have access to sufficient healthcare.
Hypothyroidism is like 5% of the population. Obesity is at 40%, let’s not act like our obesity epidemic is because everyone with hypothyroidism is trying to move to the USA to boost our statistics.
My overall point is if you’re targeting obese people specifically, you’re not on the right track.
Na there is nuance between shaming someone for decisions made well within their control and understanding some are placed there beyond their control. I’m not advocating for those with hypothyroidism to be attacked, if anything calling out obesity would help bring awareness to those fronts as it would promote discussion about the issues instead of downplaying it so those with issues cant get the help needed like you descibed earlier in your post. Like trying to pass legislation that requires employers to give reasonable medical accommodations to those individuals so they have enough time to prep meals or even have subsidies that can give them more healthy choices at reasonable prices.
I didn’t quit smoking because people shamed me, I did it because the risks were clearly defined and didn’t like the negative effects on my health.
No qualified medical or public health policy professional is like “yo let’s villainize fat people”. It’s dumb idea just to make people feel better about being assholes to folks struggling.
If you are going to make fun of people, do so for things that are their choice, or are changeable.
As in:
You CAN make fun of people who use Facebook, because they can choose to not.
you CANT make fun of people of a certain ethnicity because they didn’t choose it and can’t change it.
Making fun of obese folks is a mess because at the root of it you are making fun of a mental health condition, or a socioeconomic condition. Indeed all humans, regardless of any other factor (such as medical condition or wealth) will lose weight day after day if you consume less calories than you burn. But the reality is people can’t stick to that for a million reasons, and when you make fun of the obese you are making fun of THAT. Essentially “hah to are so fucked in the head that you are trapped in an uncomfortable and unhealthy body”. Not so funny when put so bluntly.
You should feel lucky. I am never going to own a home. Granted, I’m disabled and so broke my Internet is gonna be cut off in 36 hours, but still. Ain’t never gonna be a chance for me. My grandmother was able to buy a house by herself while raising two kids. My mother bought a house when she was 24. I’m 31 and gonna die in a cardbox box that I rent for $1800 a month.
$1800/month? That’s fucking insane. Look in to community living groups. I was turned on to it while I was in school (at 35 🤷🏻♂️) as a cheap option while I went back. I know we’ve all had room mate horror stories, but there are people out there who are willing to co-operate and work towards having a home.
Four years on and now I’m running the house (it’s just a rental with lots of rooms) and we have a great group of 5 that’s been together for over a year, including a 9 year old. (Most of us have been together 2 years now, we had a housemate leave amicably last summer).
I’ll admit the first two years were kinda rough. It took me a bit to recognize the red flags I needed to - and to build up the courage to be able to say “no, you wouldn’t be a good fit” to people I’ve known for years. I had some dramatic experiences trying to find the right people, but we’ve got a nice home now and we each pay around $600/month for a whole-ass home!
It does take work; physical, mental, and emotional, but saving $1200/month is worth it. You’ve gotta be able to communicate your needs respectfully and be able to look at yourself and acknowledge where you need to improve to be able to get along with people.
The rewards are worth it. We all work less now so we have weekly dinner and D&D and movie nights and it’s really quite nice. We still bump elbows from time to time, but we all know each other well enough now that it’s easy to solve conflict calmly.
Oh that’s what I’m paying an inner city apartment that has a mice/mold/insect problem and like the doors don’t close cause the frame and walls are cracked and lopsided… LoL I hate that pretty much every apartment is a flop house at luxury prices.
So, don’t mistake this as me telling you you’re totally wrong, because you definitely do have a point and it gets under my skin too (that’s why I believe licenses like AGPL and, dare I say, SSPL should be used), but many of these companies actively contribute back to the open source software they’re using.
[the SSPL] primarily replaces [the AGPL v3’s] section 13 “Remote Network Interaction; Use with the GNU General Public License.” with a new section that requires that anyone who offers the functionality of SSPL-licensed software to third-parties as a service must release the entirety of their source code, including all software, APIs, and other software that would be required for a user to run an instance of the service themselves, under the SSPL. In contrast, the AGPL v3’s section 13 covers only the program itself (the copyrightable work licensed under AGPL v3).
I get what they’re going for and I sympathize with the goal, but I’m not sure there’s any software in the world that could comply with that license because it would have to release an entire container or disc image with nothing but SSPL software from the kernel on up. Does a SSPL-licensed kernel or httpd even exist?
Even if they want to do it, can they? The Wikipedia article claims that every piece of software necessary to run the service would have to be licensed as SSPL. Not just to have its source code released in compliance with whatever other copyleft or permissive license it was under, but relicensed as SSPL. That means (assuming the Wikipedia article is accurate, anyway) you can’t even run it on top of Linux and be in compliance with the license! You’d have to write your SSPL service for the bare metal hardware, or write an entire new SSPL-licensed OS for it.
So, without getting too into the specifics about SSPL because you and many of the critics of it I agree with in that it seems poorly thought out or too aggressive, I do think AGPL fails in some ways. Mongo and (I think) Elastic were both licensed under AGPL but made/changed to SSPL because of a perceived abuse by cloud services like Amazon. As for what exactly the cloud providers were doing that they perceived as wrong and what the best solution is I’m not too sure. It could be that Elastic’s own managed version of its product wasn’t getting any use because Amazon’s was benefiting from economy of scale and vendor lock in (“hey, we already have everything on AWS, let’s use AWS’s Elastic offering”) and if that’s the case then it’s not really a failing of software licenses and just a shitty and unfortunate situation.
One of the things libre software is trying to accomplish is letting anyone use it for anything and allowing competitors to monetize it is a valid use. It seems like Elastic and Mongo may have been trying to have a primary revenue stream be money from offering their own managed service and cloud providers were out competing with them. It’s hard to not see this as them being a parasite that will take over the host and eventually kill them both because the devs of the product will stop getting compensation.
Some products (I think QT is another example) offer a GPL/AGPL version but for a fee will give you a more traditional license (non copy left) and this allows users to have a way to keep their own code closed source while providing revenue for the creators. Win win. AGPL was made to fix a loophole of putting a GPLed product behind a web interface and then saying “hey I’m not technically distributing anything so I don’t have to release my source code.” You’d think that most enterprise folks would pay but it seems like the cloud providers didn’t need to because they found ways around AGPL or just didn’t modify anything.
Like I said in another comment, no matter how you look at the situation, open source devs are getting taken advantage of. Enterprise customers should set the example and monetarily support the devs of open source software they use. While they do sometimes it’s not the norm. Even within the same company you see mixed behaviors. Microsoft has been contributing code back to git and adding new features but also “stole” AppGet. They even interviewed the dev and asked specific questions about it. It’s just scummy. It’s a reminder that something being legal isn’t automatically ethical or moral.
and are hardly the only companies using FOSS; everyone from non profits to miliary systems use it. this meme doesn’t really work when you take the whole picture into account.
I have two diverging responses to this - one, if they’re credited for their commits, in the purview of FOSS projects, they’re compensated as much as they expect; two - that said, I would love to see FOSS projects get more love and financial support from the community - which is why watching the GODOT project has been exciting. I’m not much of a dev, and not in a position to contribute to what they’re doing in code, but sending them some coffee money has been worthwhile.
What makes you guys think they can’t rule over you from Mars? On the other hand, that would just make them out of reach of any protests or riots and even more immune from consequences.
I’ve seriously shaved off an hour or two on average of screen time on my phone since I left Reddit. Now I keep dead scrolling to a minimum. Feels positively exquisite.
You know how if a pipeline is blocked, the pressure will continue to build up, backing up with oil, seeping it into everything nearby because it can’t go forward, until eventually a rupture occurs? That’s why “everything is political these days.”
Did you notice we never got details where he walked the second 500 miles? He may walked in one direction. Then he found out she lives next to him and walked the whole 500 miles back!
His goal was “just to be the man who walked a thousand miles to fall down at your door” so it’s not impossible he just walked 2000 laps around the block she lives on.
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