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SnotFlickerman , in Gen Alpha will elect MrBeast president and there's nothing you can do to stop it

We missed our chance to put Myspace Tom into office.

You gotta go with the people who don’t want the job. Should have forced him in before he took the money and ran.

expatriado ,

for a little while he was my only friend

Phegan ,

When did he unfriend you?

expatriado ,

he sold our friendship for $580 million and never heard of him again

Trainguyrom ,

You gotta go with the people who don’t want the job

Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy has got you there!

The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

SnotFlickerman ,

In a similar vein:

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.

TheBat ,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

There’s a considerable overlap between intelligence of dumbest tourists and smartest bears.

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sentientity ,

You’re so unbelievably right here.

kubica , in Forget it.

While not having any idea of their history, seeing how they ended up it seems rude to even ask.

Z3k3 ,

I’ll be honest. you’re better not asking en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_Yugoslavia

ChaoticNeutralCzech , (edited )

They can have a little bit of sea, as a treat(y).

https://sovereignlimits.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/04/BIH_HRV_web.jpg

Still, it is completely surrounded by Croatia’s claims, and located in the narrow Bay of Mali Ston that Croatia already has a bridge over, so if Bosnians get naughty again they can just turn their sea access into a lake just by dumping enough sand/clay/silt from the existing bridge.

https://banjaluka.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/20160516173547_369738.jpg

Barbarian ,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

They can have a little bit of sea, as a treat(y).

Omfg, this line killed me xD

idegenszavak ,

Other 2 answers describe current situation, but the origin is much older. In 1699 Repubublic of Ragusa (now Dubrovnik) ceded Neum to the Ottoman Empire, to prevent land attack from Venice, as Dalmatia was part of Venice that time. Than BiH and Croatia just inherited the borders.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neum#History

middlemanSI , in It happens...

Keep in mind they usually travel in pairs!

SnotFlickerman ,

What rolls down stairs

Alone or in pairs

Roll over your neighbors dog

HonkTonkWoman ,

Who will roll you down the stairs

Confiscate your wares

May even shoot your dog

SnotFlickerman ,

It’s cops, cops, cops!

TSG_Asmodeus ,
@TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

It’s hogs, hogs, hogs

Eczpurt ,

As luck would have it, I’ve got a similar number of hands

spongeborgcubepants ,

One can read, the other one can write

Catoblepas ,

Ooh, someone’s from a fancy pants big city where the cops went to high school.

numberfour002 ,

As luck would have it, I’ve got a similar number of anuses.

dactylotheca ,
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

The recommended number of anuses is one

Mac , in Ice cream sandwich has some funny ad reads

I do appreciate when they put actual effot in but with Sponsorblock i rarely see them. This meme still applies for when they get passed sponsorblock though lol

Sterile_Technique ,
@Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

Sponsorblock

How have I never heard of this?! I just installed it, trialled it on a YouTube video, and it’s instantly one of my favorites.

Thank you!!

For anyone in a similar boat:

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/…/sponsorblock/

HollowNaught ,
@HollowNaught@lemmy.world avatar

After Ublock, its easily my favourite addon

Classy ,

We will dive into the history of this franchise, but fir—
The franchise began in 1967, when…

Me:

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/347b3169-905b-470a-8e9e-592cf31dfee1.gif

wdx ,

On that note… Also take a look at DeArrow

dearrow.ajay.app

Same dev as SponsorBlock, same concept, just for YT Titles and thumbnails.

Users can submit titles that better describe the contents and pick a neutral thumbnail.

ILikeBoobies ,

Also request a demo if you don’t want to pay, it will get approved

Mac ,

i also have DeArrow and it’s such a subtle change that you don’t even realize until you’re browsing the Tube on another device. Hoooly shit. i could feel the pressure from all the clickbait.

Baku ,

Don’t forget to upvote good segments and downvote bad ones. Segments that are downvoted enough get hidden or removed. That’s a pretty big part of how they prevent malicious people (possibly with outside instances) from trying to sabotage the network

CaptainKickass , in I'm a ghost!

That’s the best thing I’ve ever seen

WhiteHotaru ,

Have you seen the clip of the Irish who has prepared a cassette to be played at his funeral?

CaptainKickass ,

No but now I wanna

disguy_ovahea ,

It’s incredible. The guy must’ve been a hell of a lot of fun.

youtu.be/oEygbbZK-u0

vrek , in Just a few specs of rust

I mean the white house did say we should start building with rust…

takeda ,

upvote for a programmer joke :)

uis ,

They also recommended js

vrek ,

Sorry the closest I can do is a xj jeep…I don’t know of a js model car

uis , (edited )

You haven’t seen js model? Gee, see, see.

MeatPilot , in Another Zuckerberg meme
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Crowfiend ,

I’m sure it’s shopped or from a movie, but what am I looking at?

CaptainFortissimo ,

“The Arrival” with Charlie Sheen. (FYI: That’s not Charlie Sheen.)

Viking_Hippie ,

FYI: That’s not Charlie Sheen.

Thanks for clarifying for those of us who weren’t sure. You never know what the side effects of tiger blood and enough cocaine to kill a small horse might be 🤷

brbposting ,
CaptainFortissimo ,

Glad I could help. 😁

enough cocaine to kill a small horse

Freud?

Viking_Hippie ,

Freud?

“Nail 'em when they’re vulnerable, that’s always been my motto”

MeThisGuy ,

Jesus thought different

Viking_Hippie ,

Nah, I’m pretty sure he was at his most vulnerable that day lol

the_post_of_tom_joad , (edited )

That kid is an alien, the goofy look is cuz he’s about to meepmeep across the desert at the end of the movie. But what movie? its been awhile…Maaan is been awhile. Did it star Christian Slater? Was he a seti scientist? Was it a climate message movie? I need a minute…

EDIT: Haha as other poster said, it stars Charlie Sheen who for some reason i always get mixed up with Slater. So close… (not close)

eestileib ,

Center of gravity looks way off for that alien. He’d topple forward unless his feet were way bigger.

the_post_of_tom_joad , (edited )

From what i remember the entire sequence looked like dogshit even for its time.

Edit: lol it was actually worse than i remembered

GreyEyedGhost ,

Well, there was a sequel. Looks like it was direct to DVD so I’m sure it was impressive.

SnotFlickerman ,

I remember this dogshit Charlie Sheen flick!

basilisa , in Why haven't you taken the bear pill?
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  • starman2112 , (edited )
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    A bear won’t try to convince you that you weren’t really assaulted and accuse you of just wanting attention

    alcoholicorn , in Chinese numbers

    I’m sure the chinese have equivalent memes about having to learn arabic numbers, at least you don’t have to use it in written out numbers, 20 is 二十, two-ten, 200 is 二百, two-hundred, 2000 is 二千, two-thousand, 200,000 is 二十万, two-hundred-thousand.

    There less memorizing irregular words like twelve and X-teen and converting 30 to thirty, since it’s all pronounced as written.

    lobut ,

    It probably sounds silly but I quite enjoy not memorizing different names for days of the weeks and months like when I was learning french … Lundi, Mardi …

    Nice to be like 星期一,星期二,星期三 … for week days and 一月,二月,三月… for months.

    alcoholicorn ,

    Same, and not having to remember different versions of words for tense and gender is great. Where Chinese gets you back though, is measure words. Is a can of beans many 颗? 粒? One 包? Oh I was supposed to remember 罐?

    Aurenkin ,

    I don’t mind the measure words so much because you can always use the generic one and people will understand, it’s the tones that really mess me up.

    yogthos ,
    @yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

    I find the tones are hard, but I find it’s easier to remember them within a sentence than for individual worlds. Good news is if you mess it up, context still makes it possible to figure out what you meant.

    Aurenkin ,

    Dumplings vs sleep…it still gets me

    yogthos ,
    @yogthos@lemmy.ml avatar

    lol there are just so many words that basically sound the same and mean completely different things

    Annoyed_Crabby ,

    I mean tbf you’re addressing a can of bean, so 罐 is correct. It’s the container that count, not the content.

    CoggyMcFee ,

    It’s the container that count, not the content

    That’s not what Mr Rogers taught me

    androogee ,

    Okay but what if that can of beans can suck its own dick?

    Klear ,

    I like how in French it’s almost the same as in English. Monday = Moon Day = Lunar Day = Lundi
    Tuesday = Tyr’s Day = Mars’ Day (both being the god of war) = Mardi

    jaybone ,

    This seems like it would be difficult for the visually impaired.

    Frozengyro ,

    Japanese pronounces some numbers different depending on what you are counting. Is this the same for Chinese?

    whostosay ,

    Bro first of all, no one should ever freeze a gyro, second, will you please elaborate because that is 100% interesting

    Frozengyro ,

    Basically certain words use a different counter, and it changes how you would say 1, 2, 3 etc. so there is a counter for big living things, small living things, flat things, round things, money etc. A lot of the numbers are similar with slight changes in pronunciation.

    So instead of ichi for 1, it might be ippon, ittou, issoku etc. if you know it’s a counter you can usually tell what the number is from the start of the word. Though there are exceptions like hitotsu, which is also one. Though if they use the “Chinese” characters you can know what it means when reading it without knowing how it’s actually pronounced.

    SourDrink , (edited )

    I think there are certain phrases found in different dialects of Chinese. In Cantonese, the formal way of reading twenty is 十二, but the colloquial term would be 廿.

    Edit: Should be 二十

    alcoholicorn ,

    十二 not 二十?

    SourDrink ,

    Whoops! You got that right. Should be 二十

    alcoholicorn ,

    No, but whenever you have something that’s countable (even if it’s just 1), you have to do <number> <measure word> <thing>, so instead of “I have a ticket” or “we want 2 waters”, you have to do “I have 1 <measure word for flat things> ticket” or “I(plural) want 2 <measure word for cups> water”.

    There’s a generic measure word, but I think it’s seen as improper to use it.

    wizzor ,

    Yea, Chinese people understand when you do that, but they first look at you with this confused look thinking ‘he wants two chopstic pieces?’ and then realize you have a vocabulary of a two-year-old.

    Source:lived in China long enough to learn yo ask for things, but not long enough to learn the countable nouns.

    HenriVolney ,

    A bit like confusing much and many or some and any, which I did a lot when I first learnt English.

    vardogor , (edited )
    @vardogor@mander.xyz avatar

    the number 2 is said “liǎng” more commonly; it’s like saying “a couple” but more strictly. “èr” is used for counting or maths

    Vrtrx ,

    Afaik, no. Japanese either uses 音読み onyomi = Chinese reading (literally “sound reading”, 音 = sound, 読み = reading) and 訓読み Kunyomi = Japanese reading (訓 has multiple kanji meanings. I learned it as “instruction”. Sites list the meanings as 訓 = instruction, Japanese character reading, explanation, read) for words that have kanji (Chinese characters). The original Chinese characters don’t have a “Japanese reading” afaik. They are Chinese after all.

    Railison ,

    The separate counter for 10,000 does my head in

    alcoholicorn ,

    Shhhh they don’t need to know that yet.

    EddoWagt ,

    Same, my brain can’t comprehend the counting behind that

    Got_Bent ,

    I lived in Korea for a while where they also do the ten thousand thing. I got used to it for numbers up to about ten million, but then would get quickly lost.

    Since everybody was making a couple million won a month, knowing numbers that big was necessary.

    Zehzin ,
    @Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, every time I see it i think “man”

    nikaaa , in a dangerous topic indeed
    dumpsterlid , in Sorry for the low quality post but nonetheless need some advice

    I strongly recommend getting a house where you can walk out your door and walk somewhere without feeling unsafe because the road immediately outside your house is dangerous if you aren’t in a car and have the destination you are walking be a pleasant environment to be a pedestrian (i.e. not endless stroads).

    The impact on your health, especially if you can win the lottery and get a job within walking distance, cannot be measured easily and most people vastly underestimate the savings and quality of life impact from not having to drive everywhere for everything.

    WhisperingEye OP ,

    Thanks but that’s not really an issue no matter where I buy a house. I live in Denmark

    dumpsterlid ,

    That must be nice

    WhisperingEye OP ,

    It is. But I’m not originally from Denmark and people can be quite excluding and that’s why I’m afraid to feel lonely in a new neighborhood

    dumpsterlid , (edited )

    Then I would definitely recommend moving somewhere where going out and meeting people is easy, whether it be hobbies, nightlife or other reasons to get together with new people and make friends. Definitely don’t buy a house somewhere where it takes a conscious input of energy from yourself to see others as when we become depressed that is the HARDEST time to get ourselves to push through inertia. If you are anything like me you are going to end up on your couch feeling sad and a lot of times you won’t push through that to drive the 30+ mins to whatever thing you were considering doing. You also can’t be anywhere near as spontaneous about interacting with people and participating in different community events when every time you do it requires specific planning. If you live in town all it might take for you to get involved in something happening you were unaware of or thought you weren’t interested in is to pass by it happening. When you live far away from things, you have to sit there on your couch and specifically make the decision while blobbing on your phone that you want to participate in whatever thing you are interested in, and that can be a lottttt harder when you are depressed, trust me lol.

    If you want the feeling of being out in the sticks, pay attention to being close to mass transit or easy drives out into nature.

    rawn ,

    This decision is all about you.

    I’m an introvert who works with people, I could be a recluse all year and I’d be happy. Without work maybe I’d be a little lonely at times, but there is ways to fix that for me, without relying on neighbours.

    You seem to like having neighbours though, so that’s very different. If that is something that worked well for you in the past, I think that’s an indicator for the more expensive house. It’s a permanent thing, after all, and if you’re rather extroverted or at least need humans around on occasion, then you shouldn’t make yourself unhappy by buying cheap.

    SubArcticTundra ,
    @SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

    Hmm, perhaps you could try to find more people that came from the same plade as you?

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    When I lived in the boonies I had a house like that. It was on a windy mountain road that was rarely traveled except on Sundays when people would drive their classic cars around. I could sit there with a beer after mowing my lawn and have my own private parade, and walk the couple miles into town no problem.

    For work I just had to walk down the hall because shipping my brain through meatspace to push buttons in a different place is stupid.

    dumpsterlid ,

    Honestly, that sounds like a great lifestyle fit for you, but for many people there is a huge risk in that lifestyle in becoming extremely isolated from other people and not feeling like there is an easy way to escape that isolation.

    A couple of mile walk into town is not the kind of thing someone who is feeling down but wants to maybe meet people is going to do unless the bicycling infrastructure is pleasant and easy to use. It also leaves you heavily dependent on having a healthy body to socialize which again I think is generally a bad idea as it is the times we are in poor health that we need friends the most.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    I really love being alone so it worked great for me. I hardly left my property and had so much upkeep to perform that I got in great shape.

    But if you're a person who likes people and needs human interaction I wouldn't recommend it. Unless you really like Zoom calls.

    brown567 , in Mematic

    Joke’s on you, I make my memes in GIMP and put the mematic watermark in myself!

    mriormro ,
    @mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

    www.photopea.com

    No one should have to suffer through gimp.

    ulterno ,
    @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

    So you’d rather have ADs in place of a Layers panel?

    mriormro ,
    @mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh no! Not a means for a sole developer of a robust, web-based photo editor to make some sort of a living.

    The fucking travesty of it all.

    Listen, it sucks that it’s not open source and that it is now ad-sponsored but the fact remains that there are shockingly poor FOSS alternatives to creative tools (blender is probably one of the few exceptions) and gimp is firmly in that ‘shockingly poor’ category.

    It’s okay to be critical of an open source project and use something that may be proprietary. The world isn’t going to blow up because of it.

    ulterno ,
    @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

    poor FOSS alternatives

    So you’d rather have ADs in place of a Layers panel?


    For those who can't read between the linesThe fact that it has ADs, is also considered as one of the factors deciding its quality.
    And so is the fact that it can’t be run when the internet connectivity is slow/non-existent.
    Not considering those features as factors while judging the application just gives incentive to everyone else (including the prepaid ones) to include ADs in their UX. If this is how we promote them, soon, you’ll be seeing ADs (on top of the Subscription fees) in Adobe software.

    • Hard to believe? Look at Windows.
    summerof69 ,

    Between ads and gimp, I choose ads.

    ulterno ,
    @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social avatar

    It’s better to choose knowingly rather than unknowingly, so… nice.

    nickwitha_k ,

    Beyond it not being FOSS and requiring an Internet connection, ads are beyond a dealbreaker for me. I’d recommend the cost and effort of manually compositing with transparent film, lightbox, and cameras over anything with ads.

    Yeah, the dev has a right to make a living but there are better ways than contributing to the rot of the Internet and inserting vectors for malware into your software.

    michael_palmer ,

    What’s wrong with GIMP? I used photoshop before, but GIMP pretty comfortable for me.

    kzhe ,

    Ublock doesn’t fully work but there are extensions to block ads on Photopea.

    ulterno ,
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    DmMacniel , in H.A.R.D.C.O.R.E

    when checkboxes aren’t styled as checkboxes

    bleistift2 ,

    I truly thought this was supposed to be a third gender and they didn’t want to call it ‘other’ to not sound dismissing.

    Man, round checkboxes are dumb.

    DmMacniel ,

    My assumption would be that the gap between Male and Female is much thinner than to the Hardcore option. Thus it’s a new option group. And an option group with only one choice is invalid thus is has to be a checkbox.

    cobra89 ,

    I just assumed the option for normal difficulty was to the left and that’s why the image is weirdly cropped like that.

    There is a gap between the male and female grouping and the hardcore. This is what leads me to believe that the hardcore option is in a different grouping, probably horizontal grouping which is why I think the normal difficulty is to the left.

    bleistift2 ,

    Why would the gender selection me aligned vertically, but the mode selection horizontally?

    cobra89 ,

    Well seeing only 15% of the screen it’s hard to say. Could make design sense or could be bad design, or I could be wrong.

    RizzRustbolt ,

    The male/female part are radio buttons.

    After the first UI update pass, someone on the forums made this into a meme after they noticed that Crate missed the title screen in the update. The dev team thought it was funny and just left it like that.

    groet ,

    Well maybe it’s multiple choice.

    • “Dong, beard broad shoulders”
    • “Tits, hips, smaller waist”
    • “Character deleted on death”

    Choose any combination you want

    Natanael ,
    • uses the same type of armor for females as certain other games, except with realistic defense stats instead
    Jessica ,

    They’re called Radio Buttons en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_button

    DmMacniel ,

    The option female and male are radio buttons yes…

    Hardcore ain’t a radio button here.

    Jessica ,

    Oh that’s fair. At least one radio button in the group must be selected otherwise yeah it’s just a checkbox in disguise.

    davel , in Thank you American software
    @davel@lemmy.ml avatar

    This forced sale of TikTok for national security is a farce because they were already forced to move their service to the US on an American-owned hosting provider, and they have already put people with a history of aligning with “American interests” into executive positions, like CEO Shou Zi Chew and vice president Michael Beckerman. I think the US “intelligence community” already has everything it needs to monitor and control TikTok.

    BaroqueInMind ,

    I have a geoIP alias on my firewall and can still see TikTok sending telemetry to a Chinese CDN.

    davel ,
    @davel@lemmy.ml avatar

    If so, then maybe the US “intelligence community” doesn’t actually see that as a problem, despite the cold war propaganda.

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    sending telemetry to a Chinese CDN.

    If this is your basis of evaluation of spying, this is straight up xenophobic and racist. Why? Because you (and Anglos) intentionally abuse the language barrier as a way to obfuscate the difference between spying and regular internet activity. This is reddit tier bullshit that almost every “investigative” YouTuber and blogger does.

    Diotima ,
    @Diotima@kbin.social avatar

    Calling people "Anglos" as if their race somehow defines their worldview is racist. Expressing concern because an application with alleged ties to an authoritarian regime is sending data to an endpoint within said regime's borders might be silly, but it has nothinvg to do with race. With respect, that right there is some Israel "pointing out our human rights atrocities is antisemitic" level of bullshit.

    davel ,
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    Anglo in the sense of the Anglosphere, I think: Five Eyes. Five Eyes in basically the inner core of the imperial core.

    Diotima ,
    @Diotima@kbin.social avatar

    World systems theory woukd suggest that the inner core should have shifted in the 21st century to include at thd very least China. Western powers may have been dominant in the mid to late 20th century but that is decidedly no longer the case; China fits every metric offered by the theory.

    I doubt OP meant that anyway, given that their statements were directed at individual actors and not national powers.

    Regardless, expressing concern because an app that both has ties to an authoritarian regime AND is effectively banned in that regime is understandable. Screaming RACIST at anyone who dares criticize China and calling them Anglos is both ridiculous and racist itself.
    .

    redditReallySucks ,
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    It doesn’t matter where the servers are located physically but who can access the data that’s on them

    davel ,
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    They were physically relocated to the US so that the US can access the data, as people like Edward Snowden and Mark Klein have shown us. I’m sure the US knows precisely what data is and isn’t being sent to China.

    saltesc , (edited ) in I studied political science and jazz...

    I still don’t understand the Linux memes.

    1. Meme about how hard it is to maintain a Linux machine.
    2. Meme about how Windows is the worst for your machine.
    3. Meme about how gullable new Linux users are to bad advice from experiwnced Linux users.

    It’s like squirting lemon in your eye is the point, and if you don’t do it you’re one of them. Maybe I’m just not bitter enough in life to get it.

    Edit: Oh…

    1. Meme about Linux dominating a niche developer thing that most developers wouldn’t notice, let alone the end user.
    Omgarm ,

    I’ve used Ubuntu for a few minutes for work and realized I was too lazy to learn a lot of stuff. All my coworkers used the console and I just wanted to use the UI…

    nul9o9 ,

    Kde plasma does a good job at giving you gui options for console tasks.

    System updates and software installs are done in their discover app i believe.

    Klear ,

    Nobody gives a shit.

    Alk ,

    I do :)

    halcyoncmdr ,
    @halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

    Ubuntu is probably one of the easiest for the average user to jump into coming from Windows. It is designed around the GUI and to be close to a drop in replacement much more than many other distros. Linux needs to be usable 100% without the console or it will never be a true competitor for Windows. The average user sees a terminal and had no idea what to do, or what to stay away from. They are 100% reliant on the OS to prevent them from breaking things. Look at all the issues users had with learning to approve system changes via basic security like UAC prompts that just need approval, not even their password, compared to something like sudo.

    Granted a big part of that was lazy developers assuming and using admin privileges they didn’t actually need for their programs, because the proper way to do things was a bit harder. Something Microsoft had been telling developers for over a decade they needed to stop doing. So many applications prompted every time they were used, because of shitty applications. As soon as a basic security screen was added, those applications became annoying for the end user, and Windows got the blame from the average user because of shitty devs and Microsoft’s complete lack of being able to explain things to non-power users.

    Crank_it ,

    I switched from Windows to Ubuntu years ago after getting frustrated with Windows.

    It took some getting used to, but I love it now!

    I’m not a programmer or especially tech savvy, but I’m old enough to have used DOS when that was occasionally necessary in Windows.

    I recommend Ubuntu to anyone looking for a Windows alternative.

    Vilian , (edited )

    to be fair the 3 first points only apply to arch, the same people to say “i use arch btw” so you know they also hate themselfs

    edit: 50% of fevs use linux so the 4th point isn’t that true

    fl42v ,

    Arch is as hard as math rock is math.

    pretzelz ,

    Oh, I down graded to arch because I couldn’t be bothered with Gentoo any more

    OpenStars ,
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    I don’t use Arch, but I still think that Windows is, if not the absolute worst for your machine, then it at least ranks highly in that category:-).

    promitheas ,
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    Excuse you! But also I do hate myself

    black0ut ,
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    Obligatory “I use Arch, btw” comment. I’ve been using Arch for years and, honestly, it isn’t that much of a pain. It mostly works with the defaults, installation is really easy now with archinstall, and there’s a ton of software ready to install from the repos or the AUR. Besides, the arch wiki is amazing and has solutions for many of the problems you’ll ever have.

    halcyoncmdr ,
    @halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

    Rant incoming, so ignore if you’re just here for the memes.

    The Linux community as a whole seems to still be delusional about the real world outside power users, and it hasn’t changed much in the last 25 years from everything I’ve seen. Distros have come and gone, some better than others, but the community as a whole is still living in a fantasy world about the “year of the Linux desktop”. And it’s the reason quite frankly that Linux in it’s current form will never be a daily driver for the average user. Even though it would actually work for probably 30-40% of the population that just uses a web browser without any issue out of the box, as soon as they have an issue, the community would be impossible to find actual useful help from for these users. There are enough toxic Linux users to anyone that doesn’t know the basics. It’s almost as toxic as the League of Legends community with some distros. That leaves a permanent bad taste for all of Linux for the average user that comes across just one of these posts. Not to mention little to no support from places like Geek Squad, which is where the real average users take their systems. Even checking online themselves is heading out of average user territory in the first place.

    The other main issue is that there are productivity mainstays on Windows that don’t have a true Linux version. There are Linux alternatives but they quite frankly aren’t the same, and the average user doesn’t want to have to deal learning something new or with file format differences and not being able to just do what they already do.

    My mother for instance several years ago tried to switch to a Chromebook when she needed a new laptop. She only uses a web browser and Microsoft Word through Google Drive and Gmail. Seems like a Chromebook would be a good fit for an ultra portable and lightweight system with WiFi 90% of the time. She is definitely able to search the internet well and find answers on her own, she is better than the average user due to learning from me breaking things constantly as I grew up. So even her handling of the situation would be more than many users. This was before the stripped down online versions of Office apps existed, so you had Google Docs, and the Linux alternatives like OpenOffice, which did not seamlessly support DOC/DOCX files for users who primarily work with those and need to have those types to send. Even now though the web version of Office is stripped down, some of that stuff just isn’t available without the full software. Google Docs was essentially not compatible with regular Word documents at the time, everything had to be converted to Google’s format and then exported back to a DOC, and constantly having to remember to save files as an alternate format just to send them off to others for further edits or distribution from their systems was a lot of unnecessary work, easily forgotten that just wasted time. Not to mention getting her head around the idea of cloud storage vs local storage if there was no WiFi available for some reason. Google Drive on Windows has a nice visual indicator of backed up stuff, and it’s all stored locally by default as well. It just works for the average user. This is something that Apple does extremely well with their walled garden. They hide the magic and user is never the wiser because it just works for them without getting in the way, you just HAVE to use their system for that experience.

    Those are the issues the average person already knows how to do with Windows and even OSX with the current applications they use daily. Switching to Linux is not just changing the look of the computer and the engine under the hood, there are other usability changes as well. Individually they aren’t a big deal, but adding them all up, the average user just ends up deciding another Windows system is easier or trying OSX instead to go with their iPhone. Unless the user has someone they know personally that is willing to help those users with every tiny issue, without complaint, or they are savvy enough to handle a good internet search for specific error information and find a community willing to be just as helpful, avoiding the toxic users, they’re just going to decide it’s bad generally and stop using it, probably forever.

    Linux must be objectively better than Windows in major ways to get the average person to jump ship and learn something new, dealing with all the small issues and differences they’ll come across.

    cm0002 ,

    The various Linux communities need to be careful what they wish for IMO, would it be great for market share to get onboard with Linux? Absolutely.

    But like you said, things will have to be dumbed down and hidden extensively.

    At the same time whenever a piece of Linux software or distro takes ANY step whatsoever in this direction, the backlash from the community can get rather large. They’re trying to have their cake and eat it too.

    IMO Linux is great the way it is, low market share and all, and we all know what happens when something starts catching on with the general public…

    Crank_it ,

    But like you said, things will have to be dumbed down and hidden extensively.

    At the same time whenever a piece of Linux software or distro takes ANY step whatsoever in this direction, the backlash from the community can get rather large.

    I switched to Ubuntu years ago after getting frustrated with Windows. It took some getting used to, but I love it and wouldn’t go back.

    I’m not a programmer. I don’t game on my computer. I pretty much just use a web browser. Occasionally I’ll install a new program.

    I’m just tech savvy enough to figure out how to do stuff by googling. Most of the how to guides are over my head, but there’s usually a very remedial one that I can understand.

    Ubuntu has served my needs perfectly. It’s stable, simple, and runs like a dream on my older laptop.

    Lemmy is my first exposure to the Linux community. I was surprised at the hate Ubuntu gets.

    ralakus ,

    I think the main issue is too much fragmentation within Linux. There’s the whole choosing the distro, choosing a desktop environment (or window manager), figuring out how to use the packages for your distro, etc. Then you have issues like some software being too outdated for your distro or not packaged at all so you look into Flatpak but it’s a whole other system on your computer to have to keep track of and maintain or the software you need is not there either so you have to compile from source. There also comes the issue of getting help when something breaks. There’s hundreds of different little bits in every single distro that makes it a pain in the ass to fix sometimes unless you’re using one of the few large distros where the guides actually work.

    I really don’t think Linux will become truly mainstream for the every day user until there is a proper “default” experience like what Windows and MacOS provide. Sure some people will say use this distro and this desktop environment and it’d just work but that forces the common person to trust the other person online and that common person has to make a choice. If their first experience on Linux is bad, they’ll just throw it off altogether and go back to Windows or MacOS. Everyone has a different first experience with Linux.

    I’m not saying strip Linux of all configurability. I’m saying there needs to be a focus on a standard Linux distro with a standardized desktop environment and standardized overall user experience. If the user wants to change any of it, they’re free to do so like anyone can with Linux right now. Also, the user should be able to manage the system entirely through a simple GUI. If the user has to for any reason go into a terminal, Linux has failed at being usable by the common person.

    I say this as a person who uses Arch (btw) on my laptops and desktop and Debian 12 and Proxmox 8 for my servers and RHEL 8 at work. I really love Linux but I just can’t in good faith recommend it to a person who wants to just use their damn computer unless they’re willing to put up with the massive fragmentation and lack of support in the community.

    Tl;dr Linux doesn’t have a “default” experience like Windows or MacOS so a common user will struggle to even get started or look for help/advice

    Donebrach ,
    @Donebrach@lemmy.world avatar

    Agreed

    Seems 99% of posts on Lemmy, regardless of content, will have some goblin schilling Linux. I don’t have anything against Linux but I will never adopt it, mostly because WHY? What the fuck is the benefit of Linux?

    nossaquesapao ,

    There are some benefits in some circumstances, but a lot of people who use linux do so not because of any tangible benefit, but because they support open source, and don’t like the idea of one (arguably a couple) big corporation having a monopoly of that magnitude and deciding alone the way tech should evolve.

    Speaking for myself, I’m from a developing country, and I mostly use dated tech, some of which don’t even support windows anymore, and it gives me the possibility of extending the lifespan of my stuff. This is the main tangible benefit for me.

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