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fosforus , in I had a journey

I was feeling the last part had some more story behind it so I went ahead and found this:

https://sopuli.xyz/pictrs/image/bad10f85-869c-4bb2-a0ca-cfd0e9bcc83e.png

Seems like I’m a full-blown woke communist too

darcy ,
@darcy@sh.itjust.works avatar

er… did torvalds just say trans rights? based alert

fosforus ,

I think he said trans rights in the wording that >90% of people would agree with.

Omniraptor , (edited )

God I wish that were true but there are a LOT of people (well, conservatives) who are vehemently against wider society allowing cross dressing or medical transition. It’s not 90% :(

Barbarian ,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Doesn’t read like he’s an actual communist, more insulting people (rightly so) that would call liberals communists.

agent_flounder ,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.one avatar

I’m definitely woke af. And proud of it.

I have come to think that when profits are at odds with health, happiness, the good of society and humanity, then either a non profit foundation needs to be running it or it needs to be in the hands of the government—but a much less corrupt one. And I believe oligopolies need to be broken up and anti trust laws greatly expanded and enforced. Then we can deal with the oligopoly / plutocracy. We set a maximum wage (including all earnings) and tax 100% above that. Penalties for regulatory breaches include jail time. For corporations. With corporations reigned in, oligopolies and oligarchies crumbled, we can prevent regulatory capture and corruption. Campaign finance is abolished and it is paid for out of public funds. We abolish first past the post voting in favor of scientifically determined better alternatives to ensure voters actually have a variety of choices.

Idk wtf that makes me except maybe a ranting lunatic lol

spitfire ,

As a full fledged Ancapper, I respect your opinion

fosforus ,

In my mind, “woke” has two meanings that apply to this context:

  • positive: aware of the hardships different groups of people might face
  • negative: overboard political correctness, cancel culture

It’s entirely possible to be pro-woke and anti-woke at the same time because of this.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

It’s strange to me that any of the things he said is controversial.

spitfire ,

I don’t think it’s that controversial unless you’re hardcore conservative. Realistically he just laid out the view of most of the Libertarian party. Nothing he said denotes woke or communist except for the part or him claiming to be one. I’d like to see the full context, because that woke communist comment probably wasn’t directed at Linus’ views

kzhe ,

The communist part reads as sarcasm because he was accused of being one

Holzkohlen ,

Common sense on the internet in this economy 😮

Gamey ,

In German we call it “Links Grün vesifft”

cows_are_underrated ,

Aber die Grüneeeeeeeeennnnnn!!!

PyroNeurosis ,
@PyroNeurosis@lemmy.world avatar

Where do I sign up for my Atheist card?

TopRamenBinLaden , (edited )

I personally think communism especially Marxism sounds really good on paper. The problem is that just about every time it has been attempted things didn’t really seem to work like they are supposed to.

Its like every state that attempts communism just ends up being a perpetual Vanguard state, and it ends up being authoritarian and terrible.

I really think there are several good ideas in Marx theories, but the actual implementation of those theories needs some work to figure out how they should be incorporated without being corrupted and overtaken by tyrants.

cows_are_underrated ,

You’re right. Communism is like the greatest social form a society can possibly achieve. The Problem is, that humans are dumb and will always try to get the best out of it for themselves so the concept of communism is ruined by those people. It maybe is practicable in small “society’s” (your family as example) but fails in big societies like states.

the_lone_wolf ,
@the_lone_wolf@lemmy.ml avatar

That’s why no country has achieved communism they are all authoritarian!

clover ,

Capitalism didn’t appear over night. It took several attempts and iterations to get it anywhere near what it is today. Most modern theories on the implementation of Marxism focus less on centralized government authority and more on democracy in the work place, and eliminating 3rd party shareholders’ control. Much of the struggle with implementation of this, is that the existing financial structures aren’t set up to handle this type of thing well.

rq0_0 ,

What we have today isn’t really even capitalism anymore. It is becoming something else. We don’t have free markets, for example, because large corporate players are not allowed to fail. Under a central banking system, the state can simply print money to fund its corporate protectorates while artificially suppressing interest rates to avoid paying any interest on the debt. And then we use tariffs and policy to pick and choose winners, suppressing competition. This is about as far from capitalism as one can imagine.

clover ,

Can you point me to a time when capitalism did happen? Where governments and outside forces weren’t picking winners and losers in the market? In such a time what was the plight of the common worker? Did we see overwork, workplace safety, and child labor issues?

Third wave communism doesn’t seek to abandon the “free market” (which is free within bounds), it instead favors democracy in the workplace. Where all members of the organization are employee-owners including ceos and middle management and the “Board” is dissolved into either a representative or direct democracy made up of employee-owners. In this way one increases the incentives for each individual to perform and see the company perform well. This also mitigates much income inequality by allowing the workers a say in the compensation of middle and upper management.

rq0_0 ,

I personally think communism especially Marxism sounds really good on paper. The problem is that just about every time it has been attempted things didn’t really seem to work like they are supposed to.

Boy, that’s the understatement of the century. Not only did it not work, it often results in mass murder and the ushering in of a totalitarian regime.

ThatHermanoGuy ,

Just when I thought I couldn’t admire him more…

GnuLinuxDude , in Why You Can't Currently Download Ubuntu 23.10
@GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml avatar

As an aside remark, it’s really funny how everyone has to elaborate what the fuck they’re talking about when they talk about Twitter.

In a post on X (formerly Twitter) Ubuntu explains the situation

could have just been written as

In a tweet, Ubuntu explains the situation

but the epic genius elon decided to destroy all brand recognition. Truly incredible thing to witness. Twitter literally got its own branded terms into common lexicon and he just set it all on fire.

xkforce ,

He didnt just set the brand recognition on fire, elon basically did everything someone would do if they wanted to intentionally run twitter into the ground.

Venat0r ,

Maybe that was his plan for creating true free speech, by driving everyone away from twitter to mastodon…

A very 200iq plan, only cost him $44B

xkforce ,

It cost him a lot more than that. He lost about 200 billion in stock value that he owned and among the companies he “runs” about a trillion was lost in total due to investers dumping stock after seeing his ineptitude on full display.

Darkenfolk ,

Truly someone who is willing to go beyond his earthy wealth for his ideas of free speech.

xkforce , (edited )

No. The companies he controls at some level lost about a trillion in stock value combined

Darkenfolk ,

Yeah probably, I am trying to be funny here haha.

tricoro ,

a trillion

Wait, he was a trillionaire before? Interesting, now I’m curious what effects did this made to the economy, it would be a fun read (maybe).

KISSmyOS ,

At those scales it’s apparent that money is mostly imaginary.
$10 is $10 but a publically traded tech company loses most of its value the moment you try to sell it, but that doesn’t matter when the owner can “lose” 44 billion or 200 billion or a trillion or whatever and experience absolutely no change in his lifestyle.

spider ,

Now spez needs to rename Reddit and make his idol proud.

Holzkohlen ,

In a Y (formerly known as post) on Y (formerly known as reddit) a Y (formerly known as user) “vaporeonpissdrinker69” has said that…

Petter1 ,

At least, vaporeon is compatible. In fact it is most compatible.

palordrolap ,

Perfect tagline for that site: "Y tho"

...and they replace the alien with the fellow in the meme (who was a Pope apparently. Who knew.)

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Ycombinator looks around nervously

lurch ,

Their stupid ass logo looks too much like the old X11 logo. At least Xorg has a cirlcle thing. 😤

Cethin ,

Which is amazing that X isn’t being sued by Xorg. I guess they probably don’t have the same amount of money (although Twitter is probably going to be negative soon). It’s also not really competition, but they’re both tech companies. I could easily see Xorg winning that one.

yum13241 ,

Whoever has the most money automatically wins a lawsuit, because X could EASILY just get more lawyers to make more BAD faith arguments.

ReversalHatchery ,

Or we all could just still call it twitter and tweets, and be done with it

yiliu ,

I propose we just stop talking about it altogether.

MondayToFriday ,

No, It’s called X now. Elon willed it so, and I’m happy to oblige. Posts are called X-cretions (or X-crement, if they are shitposts).

palordrolap ,

Well, he is allegedly fond of the poop emoji.

Petter1 ,

Like we call meta Facebook and alphabet google. 💁🏻‍♀️

Bene7rddso , (edited )

Facebook is still Facebook and Google is still Google, and they’re owned by Meta and Alphabet, unlike X

melmi ,
@melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

What Google/Facebook did, while a little silly, at least makes some sense because they’re segregating the product from the megacorp that owns the product. They maintain the benefits of having consistent branding while also separating out their corporate interests under a new name. In Google’s case, Google still exists as a subsidiary of Alphabet, while in Facebook’s case Facebook is not a separate company anymore but it still exists as just one of the platforms that Meta operates.

With X, the product itself was renamed, and in so doing the branding was destroyed. There’s no good reason to do this as far as I can tell.

darth_tiktaalik ,
@darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml avatar

The current branding gives more a placeholder asset feeling than a memorable identity. Sorry the twitter logo isn’t loading so we’ll show you an “X” in the meantime

authed ,

I thought it was xeets

clifftiger ,

xcretes

Murdoc ,

I hope this practice never dies.
(Also has “the artist formerly known as Prince vibes”.)

tricoro ,

The Prince one is different, since he changed his name to something that can’t be even spelled.

Kanda ,

No no, it’s not 'a tweet ’ anymore, it’s ‘an X(, formerly known as a tweet)’

Cethin , (edited )

“In an X(formerly known as a tweet) on X(formerly known as Twitter) …”

It just rolls off the tongue!

pbjamm ,
@pbjamm@beehaw.org avatar

Real “Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim” energy

Kanda ,

The first X is pronounced Æsh

Blizzard ,

“In a xweet (…)”

redcalcium ,

I prefer “xeet”

z500 ,
@z500@lemmy.world avatar

Xeet xeet, motherfucker

sunbeam60 ,

“In a xhit (…)”

dutchkimble ,

Why read X posts when you can watch X videos

skullgiver , (edited )
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

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  • pbjamm ,
    @pbjamm@beehaw.org avatar

    𝕏cretion/𝕏creted

    elxeno ,

    They could just keep calling tweet, or tweet on X, maybe they just keep this shit to show how stupid the change is…

    Hadriscus ,

    “in a recent Twix…”

    fadingembers ,
    @fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    On some news stories I’ve been seeing them refer to it as “the social media company X”

    RassilonianLegate ,
    @RassilonianLegate@mstdn.social avatar

    @fadingembers
    So the company x social that existed before the muskrat bought twitter then, right?
    @GnuLinuxDude

    BetaDoggo_ , in The Linux Kernel Preparing To Drop Infrastructure For Old & Obsolete Graphics Drivers - Phoronix

    Dropping support after only 25 years? I can’t believe Linux is contributing to planned obsolescence.

    hperrin , in Amazon Building its Own Linux-Based OS to Replace Android

    Cool. Another OS to avoid.

    Cyberbatman ,

    This is the best description for everyone

    franklin ,
    @franklin@lemmy.world avatar

    Agreed. If it was any company at all except Amazon there would be hope but come on. We’ve all seen what they did to the fire sticks

    AbidanYre ,

    If it was any company at all except Amazon there would be hope

    You won’t be saying that in a couple months when Facebook makes their own announcement.

    franklin ,
    @franklin@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah fair, not ANY company

    pipows , in Systemd wants to expand to include a sudo replacement
    @pipows@lemmy.today avatar

    What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, Systemd/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Systemd + Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Systemd system made useful by the Systemd corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX

    sunbeam60 ,

    🤣

    PseudoSpock ,
    @PseudoSpock@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Oh it’s no longer POSIX, he’s seen to that!

    jaypatelani ,
    @jaypatelani@lemmy.ml avatar

    Thanks to BSDs we have sane alternatives :)

    spikederailed ,

    ProgrammersAreHumanToo, great stuff.

    peanuts4life , in Linux continues to be above 4% on the desktop
    @peanuts4life@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    The attrition is slow, but every user lost to Linux is likely lost forever. After a year or so of totally free software, who is going to build a new windows compatible PC, buy a Windows 11 license, and pay for subscription service just to do word processing, or play a few incompatible games?

    Windows completely overestimates people’s willingness to throw out their laptop or PC just to get a new OS paintjob. For every person who does it, another one will leave their ecosystem forever.

    pipows ,
    @pipows@lemmy.today avatar

    Old Brazilian hack to use Windows: just don’t buy it.

    TrickDacy ,

    Thanks for exporting this to the US, I made extensive use of it ~1999-2008

    taladar ,

    How does that help making using it less painful?

    pipows , (edited )
    @pipows@lemmy.today avatar

    It’s more painful when you have to pay more than a month’s worth salary and it’s shit (Windows 11 Pro is R$1600, minimum monthly salary is R$1412, around $280)

    Senseless ,

    I think I didn’t buy a Windows license ever. Got Win 7 free from my college and always could upgrade for free to the next version. I never used MS Office, mostly did use the Google suite. Games were the only thing that kept me, especially since I got more privacy continuous over the past few years.

    I’m currently dual booting Win 11 and Linux mint as a test phase. Actually just running windows for the proprietary phone client I need for work. Otherwise I’m newly exclusively using LM right now. Though I might make the switch to EndeavourOS for it’s rolling release approach and AUR.

    Only thing I really hate is that there are some proprietary software like ICUE, L-Connect a proper scanning software for my printer including OCR (there is a version for Linux but it doesn’t include OCR) or shitty driver support for my graphics card. But none of those are issues coming from Linux itself but rather from the lack of support from the developers. Also, I love DLSS and Ray tracing but seriously… fuck Nvidia.

    thevoidzero ,

    For the OCR, have you tried tesseract? For printed documents it can take image input and generate a pdf with selectable text. I don’t OCR much but it has been useful when I tried a few times.

    You might be able to have a script that takes the scanner input into tesseract and output a pdf. It only works on a single image per run so I had to make script to run it on whole pdf by separating it and stitching it back together.

    Para_lyzed ,

    @Senseless I’d just like to add that there are GUI frontends to tesseract that make things a lot easier. I particularly like gImageReader, but there are plenty of different GUIs for people with different tastes!

    dditty ,

    I have a Corsair keyboard and on Linux I use ckb-next to control rgb and stuff

    Senseless ,

    RGB isn’t really the issue for me. At least not when using icue. I need it to control my AIO / fans / temps

    dditty ,

    Ah gotcha. I just set a custom fan curve in the BIOS which has been working well for me in Linux (I also use a Corsair AIO + Commander Pro).

    I just learned of the liquidctl application which supposedly works for this. I’ll check it out later this afternoon and see how it works!

    Senseless ,

    Nice. I’d appreciate some feedback, if you like. Currently in the middle of switching to EndeavourOS as a Arch noob. Am I allowed so say “I use arch btw” now?

    Sabata11792 ,
    @Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

    I'm never daily driving Windows again, but im not sure if I will ever be free of dual booting for some games.

    poinck ,

    I know at least one person who switched back to Windows but claimed there was no choice. Maybe the people arround that person making the switch to Linux initially does matter. And if they are (still) Windows users, it can happen at the first sign of trouble; especially when they are stubborn Windows users.

    Guys, there are people out there Windows is the only OS they want to use despite all the problems.

    thisisbutaname ,

    Windows licenses AFAIK are already rarely bought on their own. The vast majority of users get one by having it bundled to a new device they purchase.

    systemglitch ,

    I just buy them on eBay for cheap if I need one.

    BCsven ,

    Unless its corporate, because then you are paying for windows separate from the PC, and user based licensing for server access, and subscription fees for office. and EOS W10 fees coming

    neutron ,

    I’ve made the switch over a decade ago. Ubuntu was the gateway drug. I have to use windows at work, but that’s it.

    possiblylinux127 ,

    That’s how you know Linux made it. If people don’t switch back you are doing something right.

    partyparrot , in Linux can be used at your workplaces

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  • blkpws OP ,

    Well, there are virus as any kind of device that runs any logic, the thing here is that is harder to get hacked than with this kind of tools that Windows uses.

    And I mean getting viruses like this:

    So yeah, I don’t need many apps that my Mac has and could be used to hack me with 0 click interaction or with valid Windows certified programs. Still, the “no virus” is not the only reason, updating a Linux system is just a few seconds and your work could have their own repository mirrored and monitored.

    3laws ,

    hack me with 0 click interaction

    That’s very doable on Linux too.

    In other comment you said something along the lines of “just hire an expert”. They charge way more by the hour.

    Maintaining a distro for this very reason will never look ‘cheaper’ for executives. Trust me. They rather pay you to see stuff that has CLEAR and FAST deliverables, that’s what they do what they do, make/save money; take shortcuts.

    blkpws OP ,

    Well, I think they are expensive because they are actually experts, not like random IT hired personal that (in my case) couldn’t even understand how OAuth works.

    Cypher ,

    These sort of vulnerabilities exist on Linux and the software deployed on Linux.

    You are spreading dangerous misinformation with claims that Linux doesn’t have “viruses”.

    blkpws OP ,

    I never said “Linux doesn’t have viruses”.

    Cypher ,

    You linked the screenshot, defended the claim with whataboutism and then dissembled with this.

    Still, the “no virus” is not the only reason

    You could have simply said

    Yes the claim that Linux has “no viruses” is wrong but other points are still valid.

    Though I would seriously question any points made by someone claiming there’s no malicious software targeting Linux.

    blkpws OP ,

    “no virus” is because it’s literal extracted from the text, not my words. I explain then what I understand with saying “no virus”, as any device can have virus, JavaScript runs on Linux, Windows and Apple. It’s common sense. No need explanation.

    Tibert ,

    On Linux -> arstechnica.com/…/password-stealing-linux-malware…

    (not a virus directly from a package manager or distro tho).

    However nothing prevents someone from hosting malware on github, or fake “safe” distros.

    There can also be a slip and people not seeing a project turned into malware.

    blkpws OP , (edited )

    I know about this issue, I have read about it already. No one uses this unless noobs watching YouTube tutorials.

    Cannot be compared to the vulnerabilities I pasted (0 click exploit). Any system can be hacked, Linux is the most used OS and still have fewer viruses issues as others, but it still has as any system has.

    Tibert ,

    Wtf are you talking about. Linux isn’t a distro.

    And the example isn’t a “only noobs use it”.

    It’s an example of an exploit existing since many years. And which could have appeared in a random package, while staying invisible.

    blkpws OP ,

    I said distro instead OS, Linux is the most used OS, many people behind working in secure the Linux environment. The example of this exploit also exists on Mac and Windows for years, and it will always happen.

    An admin user will know what they are doing, and I doubt they will install a package from an external source downloaded randomly on internet, for the non-admin users, without sudo they can’t install/infect that malware on your Linux.

    Cypher ,

    I said distro instead OS, Linux is the most used OS,

    Wrong, Linux totals 3% of the desktop market which is what’s being discussed in the original post.

    many people behind working in secure the Linux environment.

    Many people work on securing Windows so your point is…?

    The example of this exploit also exists on Mac and Windows for years, and it will always happen.

    Whataboutism.

    An admin user will know what they are doing, and I doubt they will install a package from an external source downloaded randomly on internet, for the non-admin users, without sudo they can’t install/infect that malware on your Linux.

    Wrong. This is so wrong. The most common and effective attacks start with phishing people who think they know better. A user downloading a zip or rar file is enough, they don’t need to be an admin or have sudo rights.

    Seriously just stop talking about a topic you have zero knowledge on. I suggest you do a SANS course if you’re actually interested in learning.

    blkpws OP ,

    Wrong, Linux totals 3% of the desktop market which is what’s being discussed in the original post.

    There are more servers than users in this world, even your car runs Linux.

    Cypher ,

    Linux can be used at your workplaces

    Yea given that Linux servers are already commonplace it is clear you were referring to Desktops.

    You’re garbage at this, the worst kind of advocate Linux could have.

    blkpws OP , (edited )

    WTF, you look like having a bad day, because of my lack of English knowledge doesn’t give you freedom to insult me.

    EDIT: I think you are just insulting me, but if Linux is the most used OS means the support should be awesome… worldwide support… while this malware could happen on Linux but also on Apple and of course on Windows, there will be always malware… so at least let’s make one really good as it is right now Linux (with support for old computers, means it’s not forcing users to keep upgrading their hardware), and that’s the reason it is the most used, fits everywhere. Windows only have the monopoly and Apple the “think different” thing (and they give special focus for designers and is Unix, sadly docker is still virtualized).

    Cypher ,

    I look forward to your next unhinged factually incorrect post.

    superb ,
    @superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    The linux kernel is not completely secure by default, neither is any specific distribution. No internet connected device could possibly be “set and forget”. Security can not be taken lightly

    blkpws OP ,

    Yup, that is right, any device can be hacked.

    rufus , (edited )

    But it’s kind of true in practical experience. Show me one Linux virus that spread and made its way through some network.

    I can show you more than i have fingers that have been affecting windows.

    SkyeStarfall ,

    When it comes to workplaces, you can expect people to deliberately craft a virus and/or try that break into your system specifically. A lot of the world runs on linux, a lot of hackers try to break in to this world.

    For personal use it may be true enough to be fine in practice, but it’s a very dangerous thing to believe for a professional setting with probably expensive equipment and valuable data.

    rufus , (edited )

    Yeah. I know that. But that’s in theory. And it’s more hacking, not a virus.

    If that’s really true, it’s surely possible to find an example of a virus that did it’s thing (spread) and do a bit of damage somewhere. And not just say hypothetically it’s true.

    I know Linux can be hacked, because I had a webserver hacked. And i see all the logs and the hundreds of login attempts per second and automatic exploits in my logfiles. I have a good idea why most of the Linux boxes get hacked. And all I’ve ever seen were not updated server software resulting in rootkits. 0% is viruses in my experience. Rest is proper issues and maybe the bad guys have been quicker than you. But it’s mostly targeted and rare. And nothing compared to the stuff the windows guys had to deal with during the last year and switch off things until it had been patched properly. We mainly do our updates. And every few years there is a major screwup and you type in a few commands in the terminal to hotfix something. But that’s mainly it. And you can’t make it about any hypothetical issue. While there are supply chain attacks for example, my mom who is using Linux to write her letters and print forms is unlikely to need to learn about that. I told her she doesn’t need antivirus and viruses and trojans are more an academic thing with Linux. She doesn’t need to worry. I also talked about targeted attacks and being a valuable target. But that’s besides the point here. Hence my question and me wanting to stay on point.

    Please just prove me wrong. I’m serious. All I could find are some harmless viruses from 2003 that didn’t even spread enough to have reliable numbers. Ransomware that affected ‘tens of users’. And you got the easy position. I advocate for Linux on the desktop. And it’s impossible to prove something is secure. I always have to go into detail, explain viruses, architecture, package managers etc to get my point across. You got the easy position. All you need is to find one counterexample.

    And arguments are always the same. I do the whole talk and then say you don’t need antivirus because in real-life there are no viruses. And people ask me ‘but what if tomorrow there is one’. And sure. Nobody believes me when I say I’ve had a quick glance into the future with my crystal ball. But what kind of argument is that? What if I’m struck by lightning on the way home tomorrow if I take the bus instead of the car? I guess I’ll just die then. Many people have been under the influence of ‘windows-truths’ for too long and can’t imagine another world. Some people didn’t listen to the first part of my talk. And some just want the computer to work and a simple answer. I get all of that. But it doesn’t make something true or false.

    [Edit: Sorry, had to post this again. I deleted the previous comment by accident instead of editing it what I was trying to do… And Lemmy doesn’t seem to federate deletions that quickly. I’m still learning things here…]

    Nolegjoe ,

    There’s an entire list of them here

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_malware

    rufus , (edited )

    I’ve read that list. There’s not a single name that rings a bell. Which one of those had any consequences in real life and is more than an academic study?

    (And besides that: Sure. It’s funny to make every program output your name. But it’s pretty harmless and not on the same level with viruses that do proper damage to a computer infrastructure. I wouldn’t lump all that together. That’s not right, either. And misleading.)

    Cypher ,

    Your ignorance on the topic does not make the claim that there are “No viruses” on Linux any less absurd and inaccurate.

    You have multiple cyber security experts in this thread telling you that you’re wrong. It is not on us to disprove the claim, or to educate you.

    rufus ,

    I don’t understand. You made the claim Linux viruses exist. Why is it now my job to disprove their existence?

    It’s like with God, Vishnu, Thor, … You claim existence, you show me.

    If there are that many experts around. Why can’t they do more than link a Wikipedia article that doesn’t (yet) contain the information I’ve specifically asked for? Shouldn’t they know at least something themselves? At least know 1 name from the worst offender? Why does the other half of experts not know the distinction between virus and other forms of malware? And that it makes a difference here?

    I see that people disagree with me. But I seriously doubt that there is a single expert around.

    I swear I’m not trolling. If you’re an expert, just give me the name. I’ll even try to look it up myself and if it’s a virus and spread across a few hundred computers around the world and maybe more than 2 or 3 companies and I can find maybe a newspaper article that says it did some harm, I promise I’ll accept that and change my opinion. At least tell me you’ve learned in uni that Linux viruses definitely exist in the wild, but no studies have been done because of X or Y. And we have no numbers. I would think that’s very curious because there are so many linux servers out there, but I’d at least have something to work with. (And don’t take things out of context.)

    Cypher ,

    The original post made the claim, I merely stated fact that Linux can be vulnerable to viruses like any other OS.

    Want a straight forward answer?

    linux.com/…/myth-busting-linux-immune-viruses/

    A virus is a specific type of malware but for the general public is broadly synonymous with malware. Ask the average user, and the commenter in the OP screenshot, what the difference is without looking it up and they can’t tell you.

    A virus doesn’t need to be spread broadly for it to be concerning, impactful or dangerous. Often these attacks are very carefully targeted at the victims.

    A vulnerability is generally exploited by a virus to inject code by either modifying memory or files the target program relies on. One such vulnerability was

    arstechnica.com/…/linux-has-been-bitten-by-its-mo…

    With this vulnerability it was possible to modify any file on a Linux device, meaning viruses would be simple to implement and deploy. Many android devices are still vulnerable.

    To think that all possible vulnerabilities have been fixed, or are known to linux developers, would be extremely naive.

    Furthermore a virus is often targeting a specific application and while OS level controls restrict the avenues of attack it doesn’t prevent flaws being introduced by developers.

    You’ve already been given a list of viruses for Linux, if you’re genuinely so concerned with defining them by impact you can look them up. You have the information needed to do this yourself, and it is not my responsibility to educate you, though I do seek to counter misinformation where possible.

    rufus , (edited )

    Well, the first article pretty much says what I’m saying. In theory there can be viruses. In the real world they have pretty much no effect. They are more a curiosity than something that really exists and has had consequences. It even says you’re installing antivirus because of the windows clients, not because there were linux viruses.

    The second article also is about a security vulnerability and talking about potential consequences. Not a virus that uses this as means to infect people. Not actual consequences.

    We’re going in circles. I’m sorry.

    And a virus and a vulnerability in some software (or kernel) that can you get hacked are two entirely different things:

    • They affect different parts of your infrastructure. It is unlikely that someone executes random binaries on your webserver. It is very likely that someone wants to listen to Spotify while editing 150 excel spreadsheeds. So it’s likely your employers execute stuff on their workstations. Also you wouldn’t install a browser in an AWS cloud instance to look at lewd websites. You’re going to use Chrome on your workstation. Viruses affect other and distinct parts of your infrastructure.
    • You protect for them by different means. Antivirus helps with viruses. For targeted attacks on your webserver, you have firewalls, filter requests, keep your software updated. And don’t do silly stuff. I’ll admit rootkit detection is kind of similar to antivirus. There is some overlap, for example you should also keep Chrome updated on your employers workstation. But updates won’t help you against a virus editing a file on the network share to replicate. You do vastly different things to protect against the different security threats that your company faces.
    • All the threats have different consequences. Some things just try to wreack havock in your company. Some things you’ll barely notice but hackers are stealing information. Some things try to extort you. Either by blackmailing you to pay to get your data back, or so it doesn’t get leaked. The next few workdays after that happened will be very different, depending on which of those possibilities happened.

    So while talking about cybersecurity. Why would I lump all that together and strip the words of their meaning? And in this case on top: One thing is something that actually happened. The other things are just words about something hypethetical. I’m aware you have to protect against potential threats. Nonetheless both things are something different.

    Regarding your advice: Yes. I’ve looked it up. I found no viruses that had any significant real-world impact. Hence me insisting on it. I said in my first comment I want to see impact. Not an academic study. Because context matters. We’re talking about someone advertising Linux to an undetermined group of people. These people are concerned with implications for them. If they need to worry. Not if in theory anything can happen. That doesn’t help you choose between two options. And we’re talking about ‘simple truths’. They’re kinda always false. But people want to hear them. They want it condensed into one sentence. Because they own a company that manufactures car tires and they don’t want to get a 20 minute lecture about computer attack vectors. They want to hear if they need to worry about their Linux server. Is it safe or not, do I need to pay someone to install Sophos? And be done with it.

    You’re twisting my words so they lose meaning. And change the context. And then posting articles about something related but not the thing.

    Cypher ,

    I found no viruses that had any significant real-world impact.

    So you found viruses, which debunks the claim in the OP, yet you remain skeptical they exist.

    We’re done here.

    rufus , (edited )

    Please read my first few comments. I’ve talked about it and that’s not what I said. I have found no viruses conforming to what I’ve clarified in my very first comment. I’ve also explained why it’s important to differentiate. I have found things alike. But never the thing. If you twist my words enough and change the context, it would almost seem like I’m contradicting myself, yes. But you’re the one twisting things around until you’re right.

    And why are you just now talking about that? Nearly every single comment of me starts right with a sentence that clarifies what I mean?

    Cypher , (edited )

    I have found no viruses conforming to what I’ve clarified in my very first comment

    Frankly I don’t care about whatever “metrics” you have made up to justify your ignorance.

    Actually I have a better idea, please contact Linus Torvalds on Mastodon with your opinion that there aren’t any viruses on Linux.

    I will happily eat some popcorn while reading your eviceration.

    rufus , (edited )

    For the record: I’m not the one changing the meaning of the word. I use it like in the definition. You’re the one extending the meaning arbitrarily.

    I think I’ll just wait and see if some expert comes along and gives me my single example. If that doesn’t happen I’m going to stick to my opinion: They exist in theory, but not in practice. And vulnerabilities and rootkits exist, but a vulnerability isn’t automatically called a virus because those are different things.

    www.debian.org/doc/manuals/…/ch08s08.en.html

    To end with some more friendly words: I’m pretty sure some people are confusing the words ‘malware’ and ‘virus’. Malware is the umbrella term. I’ve already admitted there is malware. For example the Mirai worm i think had affected hundreds of thousands of IoT devices (speaking of fire and forget embedded linux). And I’ve seen wordpress plugins with vulnerabilities and actual rootkits on webservers myself, as I told earlier. But I’ve also said in this context the distinction matters.

    merthyr1831 ,

    Yeah for a “red hat certified engineer” that seems like a weird hyperbole to die on

    dustyData , in Defaults insults

    People would read the second message, type the yes prompt, break their system. But still claim that it was linux’s fault, and that the OS doesn’t work.

    palordrolap ,

    Message two can also be caused by packages (or rather, package creators) with delusions of grandeur that only think that the system will stop working without them, so they rig things to threaten to uninstall the system.

    Or else someone has created too heavy a dependency on something that ought to be removable, but isn't thanks to malice or incompetence (or both).

    We still mock Microsoft for putting too heavy a dependency (or at least removal FUD) on whatever web browser they bundle with their OSes (first IE, now Edge), and here we might have a package creator trying the same damn thing.

    bionicjoey ,

    By “people” you mean Linus Sex Tips

    ryannathans ,

    Linux tech slips

    Matombo ,

    Linux Tech Tips channel when?

    With Emily as the main Host (Comment section goes BRRRRRRR! Don’t want to be a mod there xD)

    drathvedro ,

    For anyone confused with this comment thread youtu.be/0506yDSgU7M?t=597

    dustyData ,

    For legal reasons I cannot confirm nor deny such allegations at this time.

    gogosempai ,
    @gogosempai@programming.dev avatar

    They need to noobify that prompt further, something like “Yes, break my system!”. Even Linus wouldn’t fall for that (I hope)!

    KSPAtlas ,
    @KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Or have them answer a few linux related questions

    Matombo ,

    *They will claim it was Linus fault

    msage ,

    Which one?

    darcy ,
    @darcy@sh.itjust.works avatar

    sex tips

    z500 ,
    @z500@lemmy.world avatar

    Honestly I once did this to my desktop environment because I saw a huge list of packages and ignored it because I thought they were packages that could be upgraded, not that it was going to uninstall my fucking desktop lol

    stsquad , in Lasse Collin, the other xz maintainer, has acknowledged the backdoor

    Don’t be too hard on Collin. Looking back on the threads it’s fairly clear he’s been the victim of a social engineering attack on an overworked maintainer. People were pressuring him to hand over maintainership while expressing disappointment at the slow pace of development. The off-list contact by Jia must have seemed like a helpful enthusiastic solution to a burnt out developer.

    communism OP ,
    @communism@lemmy.ml avatar

    I agree with that assessment, I’m not accusing Collin of anything. If it is what it seems to be then I feel very bad for him. Just being cautious with wording until things are more settled/until we know more is all.

    UckyBon ,

    I just made a similar comment in another thread here:

    I read a lot about how we should double, triple check all the code. But what we shouldn’t forget is to check up on our people too.

    2xsaiko ,
    @2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    People were pressuring him to hand over maintainership while expressing disappointment at the slow pace of development.

    Very likely that was part of the attack as well.

    haui_lemmy ,

    Definitely sounds like it. This happened to me in a real company as well. It was butal.

    eveninghere ,

    Sorry to hear your situation. I’ve heard a similar story from a friend, where cronies bully one “colleague” after another to push that poor person to the edge. These morons climb the company’s career ladder in that way, hacking the HR evaluation. It’s truly disgusting.

    haui_lemmy ,

    Thanks for understanding. I didnt imagine a nice comment like this. :)

    In fact it was my company and an employee who I trusted worked behind my back to take over. When that didnt work he took off with company assets.

    eveninghere ,

    Indeed, ugh, can I go on because it’s too personal to me.

    My personal feeling is that the high-level management of such companies are indeed crony-ists. To this type of morons, companies are just assets that are to be cracked down and shared by their prestigious celebrity network or whatever.

    Well, this is a biased view, but I’m gonna soon find out how much this applies to my employer…

    haui_lemmy ,

    That doesn’t sound too great. I hope you all are going to be okay.

    henfredemars ,

    The top self-selects for the skill of climbing ladders.

    Zoop ,

    Poor guy. My heart breaks for him. I hope people are understanding, compassionate, empathetic, and aren’t hateful and harrassing towards him about it, but, realistically… they likely will be hateful and harrass the poor dude, because some people are just sucky, entitled, and rude little jackasses (and I hate it so much and I don’t understand why people behave this way!) I hope he can find a way to handle it all okay. :(

    CupDock , in [Rant] I swear to fucking god. Windows is harder to use than Linux. Have any of you ever USED Windows lately? Holy fuck.

    People have trouble installing Windows? You enter a license key and click next a couple times.

    SloganLessons ,
    @SloganLessons@kbin.social avatar

    Sorry, could you repeat that? Slower, if possible

    PMmesexypajamas ,

    People have trouble installing Windows? You enter a license key and click next a couple times.

    overzeetop ,
    @overzeetop@lemmy.world avatar

    They’re wrong, of course.

    You don’t have to enter a license key.

    PeterPoopshit OP ,

    Try doing it on a b650 motherboard that’s so new the windows installer doesn’t even have the correct ahci drivers

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  • PeterPoopshit OP ,

    Gigabyte apparently. They have drivers on their website. Windows 11 just wanted to be extremely picky about the storage device I used. There was probably a cd with drivers in the motherboard box but who tf has a cd drive these days? Just formatting ntfs on any flash drive is apparently not good enough. Also, no matter which version of the drivers I used, unchecking “hide incompatible drivers” was the only way to make anything ever show up. I’m 100% sure I was using the correct ones for the exact motherboard model and revision number.

    mexicancartel ,

    He said it has windows drivers, but windows don’t have its drivers in its installer

    daxter ,

    I bought a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and an Asrock X670E, I was upgrading and just transferred my Windows install but still… No issues.

    I’m no huge fan of Windows, but it sounds like you had (No offense) PEBKAC errors.

    ForbiddenRoot ,

    I’m no huge fan of Windows, but it sounds like you had (No offense) PEBKAC errors.

    I think so too and no offense meant to OP as well.

    I am an early adopter of all things tech and so I had a Gigabyte Xtreme X670E mobo on pretty much day 1 to go with a 7950X. Everything worked fine on both Windows 11 and Linux despite being a pimped-up mobo and brand new CPU. At this much later date, OP’s B650 mobo should be working without a hitch, especially with Windows (and almost certainly with Linux as well).

    acockworkorange ,

    So a similar experience as that of Linux?

    dream_weasel , (edited )

    You missed the part where you either sign in with your Microsoft account or cut your Internet, remove the webcam, fake your own death, and do the secret tap code in the bios to just have the OS without letting Microsoft into your butthole.

    mestari ,

    Windows 11 doesn’t force you do any of that. Just skip the sign in. Your points were valid in 8/10 era but no more.

    const_void ,

    Not true. 11 very much still forces you to use an MS account.

    Bobert ,
    @Bobert@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Very much doesn’t my guy.

    LUHG_HANI ,
    @LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world avatar

    Home won’t let you do domain join, I think you have to go halfway through setup then select local account.

    Bobert ,
    @Bobert@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Why would absolutely anyone on this sub install Home? Microsoft themselves make a multi-edition .iso available on their website. And funnily enough now, Microsoft supports the hosting of massgravel. Should it take as many steps as it does two make a local account? No, but it’s literally two extra clicks.

    LUHG_HANI ,
    @LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world avatar

    We are talking about a product not for ourselves. Pro is twice the price of home as well.

    zenharbinger ,

    There is a secret command you can do to setup without Internet. But they hide it on the startup command line.

    On the “Oops, you’ve lost internet connection” or “Let’s connect you to a network” page, use the “Shift + F10” keyboard shortcut.

    In Command Prompt, type the OOBE\BYPASSNRO command to bypass network requirements on Windows 11 and press Enter.

    myersguy ,

    You can just enter a fake Microsoft account and password. When it doesn’t work, it gives the option to continue with an offline account (or at least whatever version I installed did)

    acockworkorange ,

    So basically what @dream_weasel just said.

    zenharbinger ,

    sure, 7 months ago

    acockworkorange ,

    Oh sorry, I don’t know how I got on this old post.

    jecht360 ,
    @jecht360@lemmy.world avatar

    It depends on the version, but yes, it does. It’s especially a problem on prebuilt machines and laptops. It is incredibly annoying to work with in a corporate environment. Our helpdesk tech comes to me with issues related to this probably three times a week. I gave up with work arounds and we just have a throwaway Microsoft account now.

    IverCoder ,

    Rufus has workarounds for the mandatory login.

    riskable ,
    @riskable@programming.dev avatar

    Who is this Rufus fellow? Is he like Tux?

    IverCoder ,

    Windows app for flashing ISOs to your USB. It provides additional options for flashing Windows 11.

    deadbeef79000 ,

    He’s that chill future guy from Bill & Ted’s excellent adventure.

    jecht360 ,
    @jecht360@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve seen that before, but when I proposed that as a solution it was shot down due to being unsupported by Microsoft. I just wish they had an OEM option to skip it.

    priapus ,

    That’s not accurate. The new versions of Windows 11 make you restart the OOBE with a flag to disable the MS login requirement. His points also weren’t valid during the 8/10 era, because back then you could just click offline experience at the bottom left. You didn’t even need to disable WiFi, just don’t connect.

    Edit: Seems Pro lets you install without an account, home does not. Most of the laptops I’ve worked on come with home.

    mestari ,

    Ah I’m sorry I’ve installed Win11 on several computers but they’ve all been Pro version. I didn’t know that Home is different.

    priapus ,

    Nah its understandable. I had no idea it was different either.

    myersguy ,

    I just installed 11 recently. There isn’t a skip button anymore. I had to enter fake sign in details for it to give me the “offline” option.

    So it seems like their point may still stand.

    mestari ,

    Someone pointed out that Pro version still doesn’t require sign in. I’ve only dealt with Pro and didn’t know it’s different than Home in this thing. Sorry for being overly confident.

    spare_muppets ,

    Not true on Windows 11 home that ships with new hardware. You need to disable all network connections and run some terminal commands to set up a local account. It is not convenient at all. Granted you can easily add a local account, after you have set it up with a Microsoft account, but that sort of defeats the purpose.

    Eezyville ,
    @Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I just use the Konami code and it bypasses so that. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    raltoid ,

    It’s a joke post. Which makes it extra funny, and quite sad, how many of the comment seem to think it’s serious and are unironically chiming in with complaints.

    OPs username is “Peter Poopshit”, I wouldn’t take anything they post seriously.

    Default_Defect ,
    @Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

    I saw SatansMaggotyShitFart or something like that making normal conversation yesterday.

    zer0 ,

    Same on many linux distros but without having to enter a license key

    delirious_owl ,
    @delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

    Nah you have to spend at least an hour researching how to not create an account (spoiler: ther is no option, you just have to not connect it to the internet)

    Kit , in When Windows 10 dies, I am going to jump ship over to Linux. Which version would you recommend for someone with zero prior experience with Linux? **Edit: Linux Mint it shall be.**

    Linux Mint

    ekky ,

    +1

    I personally started by playing around with Ubuntu, but it just didn’t feel intuitive coming from windows.

    Went over to Mint, and was very happy,especially with drivers and gaming. I even fully removed my windows installation during this period. Having gained a better understanding of Linux, I have now moved on again.

    The only real drawback of Mint is not natively supporting KDE Plasma (as they did before). And yes, you can just install it yourself, but I wouldn’t recommend a beginner who barely knows how to install Linux to attempt such an endevour.

    One word of advice to OP: don’t wait till you can’t use Windows anymore. Start by dual booting and getting a hang of Linux, but with windows at the ready for any tasks you cannot yet do/feel comfortable doing on Linux. As you get a better hold of Linux, you should naturally begin to use Windows less.

    The worst thing someone can do, is to jump OS without any backup or safety net. Learning to use Windows took a long time, getting a hang of new concepts and getting used to an alien environment. Now, already having a hang of “computers” (Windows), we have digital needs and expectations (E-Mail, gaming, etc.) which will need fulfilling, but many seem to forget that a different OS means different ways of doing our daily tasks and different challenges to handle.

    And yes, “different”, because Windows definitely also comes with it’s own unique challenges, you just don’t see them as much when having gotten used to them.

    pfaca ,

    One word of advice to OP: don’t wait till you can’t use Windows anymore. Start by dual booting and getting a hang of Linux, but with windows at the ready for any tasks you cannot yet do/feel comfortable doing on Linux. As you get a better hold of Linux, you should naturally begin to use Windows less.

    Good advice here OP.

    superweeniehutjrs ,

    Mint is great. It also works well out of the box in virtual machines. I like the MATE versions for my older machines.

    There is a major shift happening right now, and mint is slower than many to adopt changes. I’d argue that’s good for mint users, but it may be bad for you personally if you plan to learn about modern linux. Idgaf personally about X11 vs Wayland, because I just need to be able to use my programs.

    NotATurtle ,

    It’s great for beginners and has many guides online.

    helenslunch ,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    Debian Edition*

    mex ,

    What are its advantages compared to the regular one? Genuinely interested

    RmDebArc_5 ,
    @RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

    Debian is Debian based and regular Mint is Ubuntu LTS based and use theirs respective repos (not a big difference for the average user). While currently the non Debian version is the main and recommended version, due some controversial changes in Ubuntu people want to move away from Ubuntu and the devs have considered making the Debian edition the main one.

    Eldritch ,

    Ubuntu is Debian based as well. But yes, it’s 100% about avoiding the shoehorned in canonical shenanigans.

    helenslunch ,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    Lack of corporate cronyism

    jsh ,

    To each their own, but Ubuntu’s repos are a bit fuller than Debian’s.

    Zorcron ,

    I recently jumped to mint, and I have to say I’m very happy with it. I struggled with like two things but the OS is popular enough that there are walkthroughs for nearly everything. And I was able to get Linux-based or browser-based software for everything I did on my windows computer

    Mikina ,

    How does Mint compares to Fedora? I decided to finally switch almost a month ago, and went with Fedora because it seemed like the best solution for general development, and I really like their Toolbox. However, I’ve been running into some issues mostly regarding gaming and NVIDIA drivers, and in general getting some applications to work on Fedora was more painful than apparently in most of the other systems.

    So, should I switch, or will the Wine/Steam/Lutris experience be mostly the same on Mint as it is on Fedora?

    icydefiance , (edited )

    Most problems I’ve seen between Nvidia and Linux were caused by Wayland. If you’re using Fedora with Gnome (the default) then you can try hitting the gear icon when logging in and choosing “gnome on xorg” (screenshot). That might help with the drivers.

    For any other issues, Mint might be easier just because it’s based on Debian, which is immensely popular. It’s more of a well beaten path, and there’s probably more help online for any issues you run into.

    GustavoM , in Based KDE 🗿
    @GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

    “But can Linux install things via a single .exe file? HAHAH EAT IT NERD!”

    • 10’ish years ago past me, before discovering the magical wonders of the package manager
    embed_me ,
    @embed_me@programming.dev avatar

    With app images it’s easier than installing. Although the chmod step will deter the typical windows user

    ziixe ,
    @ziixe@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I installed Linux a few weeks ago and it was on Tuesday I wanted to add some programs I had installed (it was mGBA and melonDS) to my steam launcher, I went through the hassle of making a . desktop file for both of them (I was dumb and used a Ubuntu based distro, so it installed as a snap, which sucks hard on a hdd) and then it wouldn’t launch, I searched up again (I was using chatGPT for all of this, I asked it a lot how to do stuff, it’s like this was it’s purpose beacuse it always worked first try), did the chmod x+ command and then I was done

    Just to see it not launch :/

    Kierunkowy74 ,
    @Kierunkowy74@kbin.social avatar

    What chmod step?

    When I clicked on new app image, the OS told me, that program /name of app/ will be launched, I clicked "Continue" and it runs! No meddling with "chmod" or anything like that.

    user224 ,

    Same, I love AppImages for that. I just wish they also had way to contain configurations instead of putting it on the system. That would make it even more portable.

    Damage ,

    ELF and .sh files need to be set executable, chmod +x file, before they can be run, unless your DE does that for you

    Dunno about appimages

    Kierunkowy74 ,
    @Kierunkowy74@kbin.social avatar

    KDE does exactly like that
    (I am using MX Linux)

    droans ,

    At least for Ubuntu, you do need to set the permissions of the AppImage before it’ll launch.

    I still haven’t figured out how to make .desktop files work yet.

    theshatterstone54 ,

    With file managers, for example in thunar, you can select Properties -> Permissions -> Allow this file to run as a program

    cerement ,
    @cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

    also for non-KDE, non-Gnome systems, there’s appimaged – requires a little more setup, but handles the set executable, automates the AppImage integration (.desktop files and menus), keeps a watch on specific folders for new AppImages, and provides a way to check for updates

    theshatterstone54 ,

    I’m saving this. I don’t use any appimages (except a cracked Minecraft bedrock launcher but we dont talk about that one), but I’m still going to save this.

    cows_are_underrated ,

    How do you actually install an AppImage? I figured out how to use them, but not how to install them.

    embed_me ,
    @embed_me@programming.dev avatar

    You don’t install them. You just give them the permission to run and then run them.

    woobie ,

    There is no install needed, you can just edit permissions and make the file executable and then when you open it or click it the app runs.

    What won’t be created by default is an application menu to run it from whatever desktop environment you use. You can create those if you wish. You can create a launcher in the menu manually, or you can use a tool called AppImageLauncher to create these for you.

    There’s a pretty good explanation here: askubuntu.com/…/add-an-appimage-application-to-th…

    RQG ,
    @RQG@lemmy.world avatar

    I found since people are used to app stores, I’ve had a much easier time convincing people to try out Linux. My mom even said that she always wished her windows PC had a proper app store.

    grue ,

    I think it’s still important to explain the key difference between an “app store” and a package repository: the latter isn’t a “store” because everything’s free.

    RQG ,
    @RQG@lemmy.world avatar

    True but it helps get the concept across so much.

    Zamundaaa ,

    Thst might change with Flathub’s ambitions to become an actual app store though

    cows_are_underrated ,

    Did I just heard that right? Flathub wants to charge for software?

    Zamundaaa ,

    Yes. Flathub wants to become a platform where people and companies can sell their software

    QuandaleDingle ,

    Well hey, as long as these participating devs maintain that their software remains FOSS, I’d pay up. They do a lot of good work, can’t do it all for free.

    Tavarin ,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    But Windows does have an app store, and has for ages now.

    savedbythezsh ,

    Yeah but it’s awful, and can only install UWP apps which are just plain bad

    Tavarin ,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    Sure, but pretty much every common application most people use is available, which is fine for the majority of people such as OPs mom.

    aniki ,

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  • AeroLemming ,

    I can’t even get the fuckin’ thing to open half the time. There’s no way in hell I’m using that buggy piece of shit to install important software.

    Tavarin ,
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    What crap machine are you running? I can open the store on my Surface 3 I’ve had for nearly a decade.

    alsimoneau ,

    It can break if you disable telemetry.

    AeroLemming ,

    I suspect that’s what happened to me.

    Tavarin ,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    I don’t think getting instagram, or photoshop off the microsoft store is giving anyone a virus. And I’ve never gotten a virus from it in the few times I’ve used it.

    aniki ,

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  • Tavarin ,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    Yes, I read that. A couple thousand people out of billions of users were affected, and the problem was resolved. It’s really not as big of an issue as you’re making it out to be.

    numanair ,

    Most of them are, but there are non UWP apps on there too.

    Jayayess1190 ,
    @Jayayess1190@lemmy.world avatar

    When is the last time you’ve used it? Microsoft opened it up and now you can find all types of non UWP apps in it.

    flontlocs ,

    Still ass though.

    Just install/update App Installer and use winget.

    Cannacheques ,

    Windows has also had a variety of freeware since before there was never an app store

    Tavarin ,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    Of course, and much of it is on the app store now (which I rarely use myself), but for someone like OPs mom who just wants an easy app store, well there is one.

    FangedWyvern42 ,
    @FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s not that good. It’s ok (especially now that it’s been unshackled from the hell of UWP), but it’s not as good as most Linux options.

    Tavarin ,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    For someone like OPs mom it would be more than good enough is my point. She’s saying she wished something existed that does indeed exist.

    jayandp ,

    Not to mention Flatpaks.

    DoucheBagMcSwag ,

    I still am intimidated by the terminal as I’ve only had slight experience with CMD

    bellsDoSing ,

    Honestly, if all you’ve ever experienced in regards to terminals is windows CMD, then you really haven’t seen much. I mean that possitively. Actually, it will give you a far worse impression on what using a Linux / Unix terminal can be like (speaking as someone who spent what feel’s like years in terminals, of which the least amount in windows CMD).

    I suggest to simply play around with a Linux terminal (e.g. install VirtualBox,.then use it to install e.g. Ubuntu, then follow some simple random “Linux terminal beginner tutorial” you can find online).

    cows_are_underrated ,

    The Windows Terminal is absolute Garbage. I tried to use it for some very simple stuff and it was such a trash experience. It just feels wrong.

    psud ,

    Don’t worry about the terminal until or unless you have something to do that needs it, then follow a guide

    Incidentally if a guide tells you to run a program in terminal, you can check what that program is supposed to do

    • man command (eg. man mount) gives you the manual, if it has a manual
    • command -h or --help gives you the command’s help page - pipe it through “less” if it’s more than a single screen eg: ls -h | less
    stuckgum , in What’s the best ad blocker for you? - Firefox Add-ons Blog

    uBlock Origin

    unreachable ,
    @unreachable@lemmy.world avatar
    admin ,
    @admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar

    Besides it’s usefulness as an adblocker, I like how it allows you to disable javascript for a site with just 2 clicks. Closing a newsletter popup works for a visit, but no javascript works forever.

    LodeMike ,

    Wait that’s a thing???

    admin ,
    @admin@lemmy.my-box.dev avatar
    LodeMike ,

    Neat thanks.

    prole ,

    There are also (somewhat hidden) “hard modes” where the only indicator that you’re in a different mode is that the badge number next to the uBlock icon changes color.

    You can have it block all third party scripts by default for every website, or even go all out and basically use it like noscript. Pretty much breaks every individual website though but you can choose individually what to let through and save it based on domain (I believe) so you really only need to do it once.

    Truck_kun ,

    There is also a setting under Default Behavior to disable javascript: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Per-site-switches#no-scripting

    Which would then require you to allow it for each site.

    I use NoScript for that purpose though. I’ve not delved into uBlocks configuration, but NoScript makes it pretty easy to only allow javascript from certain sources on the page (can easily select which third party sites to allow).

    BCsven ,

    Noscript addon

    mayo_cider ,
    @mayo_cider@hexbear.net avatar

    Add sponsorblock and you’re set for life

    banazir , in Why is X.org not suing bird site X.com?
    @banazir@lemmy.ml avatar

    Doesn’t matter, they are both deprecated.

    phx , in Defaults insults
    • Login as a user.
    • Delete the user while still logged in
    • Run command

    You should get a message “you don’t exist, go away”

    Not sure if that one is still around but I know one person who ran a script with “deluser $USER” and it ate root resulting in fun messages like that

    marcos ,

    My local deluser checks if the user has any active process. I tried deleting all of the data by hand, but the process is still assigned to a user name and id.

    I’m not sure if this one can error still can be replicated.

    phx ,

    Well you could manually edit /etc/password and shadow I suppose

    Hubi ,

    I think I’ll just take your word for it.

    lauha ,

    Easy to try in a virtual machine with snapshot. Or use a filesystem snapshot

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