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cholesterol , in I was looking at the firefox flatpak on flathub. Won't this warning make a non tech-savy user anxious? This might make them think they'll get a virus or something like that.

What does ‘user device access’ mean?

Bitrot ,

Clicking the potentially unsafe item lists the exact permissions.

It can access hardware devices, like your webcam or game controller. Likely --device=all in flatpak speak but I haven’t looked.

sparkle ,

Maybe access to connected devices (e.g. your computer components or the phone you have plugged in to your computer)

Unlix86 , in what commands can I use to benchmark my cpu?

I usually just use primesieve as cpu benchmark

boredsquirrel , in GPU "processing" with Kdenlive on Bazzite with 4700u GPU?

Use their forum…

universal-blue.discourse.group

lord_ryvan ,

On one hand I want to upvote you, because OP will really have a much better chance at getting good support there.

On the other hand I want to downvote you for just “forwarding their call” to another forum, instead of helping directly. (I’ve had bad experiences with unhelpful Linux communities where people basically just tried to find the quickest way to move someone out of their support channel)

I’ll keep it neutral, I guess.

boredsquirrel ,

Their forum is okay

lord_ryvan ,

I mesnt you just referring to another place to get help. But yeah, their forum really is a neat place for this

boredsquirrel ,

We have way too many uBlue questions here that are specific to their very opinionated distros.

General Fedora questions go to discussion.fedoraproject.org, general stuff can go here.

Cyber , in Longtime Linux Wireless Developer Passes Away

I’m struggling with what appears to be buggy wifi on an old Lenovo laptop… I spent a moment just looking at the logs and appreciating whoever has spent time and energy trying to get this working, probably reverse engineering without any support… I wonder if that was Larry…?

UserMeNever , in Longtime Linux Wireless Developer Passes Away

I could not get this to quote right so I used code, but look at the footer that is unfortunate.


<span style="color:#323232;">* Re: Larry Finger
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  2024-06-22 23:01 Larry Finger Denise Finger
</span><span style="color:#323232;">@ 2024-06-23  5:47 ` Sirius
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  2024-06-23 16:15 ` Rafał Miłecki
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  1 sibling, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
</span><span style="color:#323232;">From: Sirius @ 2024-06-23  5:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
</span><span style="color:#323232;">  To: Denise Finger; +Cc: linux-wireless
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">On lör, 2024/06/22 at 18:01:23 GMT, Denise Finger wrote:
</span><span style="color:#323232;">> This is to notify you that Larry Finger, one of your developers, passed
</span><span style="color:#323232;">> away on June 21st.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Sincere condolences and our deepest sympathies for your loss.
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">-- 
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Kind regards,
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">/S
</span>

lore.kernel.org/linux-wireless/…/T/

If the is something better. I hope you are there.

lord_ryvan ,

Being used to tone tags, that /S signature felt so weird at first.

foremanguy92_ , in Longtime Linux Wireless Developer Passes Away

I would like to thank him for everything, just thx ❤️ RIP

Steamymoomilk , in Longtime Linux Wireless Developer Passes Away

Based dude May he rest in piece as a fucking legend

MXX53 , in Longtime Linux Wireless Developer Passes Away

If a random reddit post is correct and he was 84 years old, I can only hope to have the same drive and mental ability at that age. RIP.

ghostface ,

I still say the elderly is ripe for development. Not having an issue sitting or standing for long periods of time. Plus the constant problem solving.

There should be a way to get seniors to work with and foss keystone foss projects.

Not to mention after they start its the monthly group meeting…

lambalicious , in I was looking at the firefox flatpak on flathub. Won't this warning make a non tech-savy user anxious? This might make them think they'll get a virus or something like that.

To be fair, the fact that browsers are allowed to do so much that this warning has to be shown is more an indictment on the current state of browsers (which at this point are almost like installing VMWare and a virtual machine on your computer!) than on something something Firefox or something something Flatpak.

areyouevenreal ,

I mean yes, how exactly would you want the web to work? In order for it to be secure we need website code to run in an isolated environment. Modern web browsers have gotten pretty good at this.

Though we say it’s a JavaScript Virtual Machine it’s not the kind of virtual machine you are thinking of. It just means it’s being interpreted in a certain environment rather than compiles code running natively. It’s not like a whole OS. Running a web browser in a Virtual Machine is unironically a method to improve security; checkout Qubes OS for an example.

Also the permissions it’s asking for aren’t that serious. Basically GPU access and download folder access.

lambalicious ,

I mean yes, how exactly would you want the web to work?

Text and images and hyperlinks; maybe audio and video if you’re lucky and you can prove you can be trusted. No such thing as scripting, or if it’s allowed, only in a limited manner with no such thing as “eval” and obfuscation and no ability to add or delete nodes from the DOM (or if it’s allowed, those nodes must reflect under View Source / CTRL+U). No such things as loading a javascript audioplayer that tries to mix 123456 weird sources, just link me the .m3u direct to the audio stream’s .mp3 file, or even better an .opus.

Definitively no DRM.

If any such thing as GPU access is provided it should be to deposit data, not to run code.

deadbeef79000 , in Deduplication tool

I have exactly the same problem.

I got as far as using fdupe to identify duplicates and delete the extras. It was slow.

Thinking about some of the other comments… If you use a tool to create hardlinks first, then one could then traverse the entire tree and deleting a file if it has more than one hardlink. The two phases could be done piecemeal and are cancelable and restartable.

Agility0971 OP ,
@Agility0971@lemmy.world avatar

That sounds doable. I would however not trust my self to code something bug free on the first go xD

deadbeef79000 ,

Backup backup backup! If you have btrfs them just take a snapshot first: instantly.

One could do a non-destructive rename first. E.g. prepend deleteme. to the file name, sanity check it, then ‘rollback’ by renaming back without the prefix or commit and delete anything with the prefix.

ssm , in Flathub has passed 2 billion downloads
@ssm@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Flatpak’s usecase for me is Alpine Linux and other distributions that use musl or other libc implementations. I don’t love it, I think its cli interface and the way you add flatpak servers to be obtuse and annoying, but it is useful for getting glibc dependent software.

bitfucker ,

Another alternative is distrobox and bedrock linux.

MicrondeMMMMMMM , in Flathub has passed 2 billion downloads
@MicrondeMMMMMMM@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

FOSS keeps winning it’s Insane!

iaMLoWiQ , in Flathub has passed 2 billion downloads

Google is better at advertising anyways. No sane being has ever heard of flathub. Qndroid has billion downloads every week.

paris , (edited )

I imagine the largest mobile phone operating system on the planet has a few more downloads than one of the several available package managers for the comparatively very small desktop Linux audience, yeah. This is the Linux community, not the Android or Google community, so I’m not sure what you’re yapping away about or why.

edit: i wanted to know how many devices run android and according to this it’s three billion so you’re wrong anyway lmao

KindaABigDyl , in I was looking at the firefox flatpak on flathub. Won't this warning make a non tech-savy user anxious? This might make them think they'll get a virus or something like that.
@KindaABigDyl@programming.dev avatar

They should be worried. We don’t want them comfortable.

So many negative things have entered our culture bc people don’t care about dangers. Nearly every app should have a warning

alphafalcon ,

They should not be worried, they should be educated.

If you worry a new user enough they’ll go back to Windows or Apple because there’s less scary warnings there.

We need to make the transition as pain free as possible. Learning about the joys of kernel compilation and SELinux can come later.
The first step is "Hey, this is as usable as Windows, without stupid ads in the start menu.

AeonFelis ,

Nearly every app should have a warning

No. If you put a warning on every app (except for the most trivial ones that don’t actually do anything useful) then the warnings mean nothing. The become something more than ass-covering legal(ish) BS.

jbk ,

Apps could start improving to remove the warnings…

AeonFelis ,

What do you mean by “improving”? This alarming warning appears because Firefox requires permissions. Let us look at the permissions listed there:

  1. “User device access”. From the docs, I’d say the browser needs it for rendering?
  2. “Download folder read/write access”. This one is obvious - the files you download with your browser go there.
  3. “Can access some specific files”. This one, I’ll admit, is a bit cryptic - what files does it need to access? But this one is on Flatpak for making the permission so general.

App permissions should not be about “this app cannot be trusted because it asks for scary scary permissions”. They should be about “take a look at the list of permissions the app requests and determine whether or not it make sense for such an app to need such permissions”.

jbk ,

To 1.: dri instead of all would handle hardware-accelerated rendering. Then some webcams or controllers won’t be accessible though. This one’s a bit complicated, since the necessary portals for e.g. generic USB device access aren’t yet there.

To 2.: portals should be used instead of that. Using them doesn’t require these permissions.

To 3.: click on details and see. This is Flathub making it easy to understand for users.

Permissions should make clear whatever dangerous things an app can do. If not, why do all this effort of isolation? Firefox could delete everything in downloads, either by accident on Mozilla’s side, or a privilege escalation. If the app used portals instead, it couldn’t, at least without user interaction. Or a browser security vulnerability could open up any USB devices to webpages. It’s all about what could happen with granted permissions. And these can 100 % be fixed in at least some way.

lolcatnip ,

Nearly every app should have a warning

So it would be how in the US half of all products have a warning saying they cause cancer thanks to California proposition 65? No thanks.

Onihikage ,
@Onihikage@beehaw.org avatar

If “nearly every app” that people already use suddenly has a big warning on it, people will quickly decide the warnings are meaningless and start ignoring them, like Prop 65 warnings. Congratulations, we’ve moved the needle backwards.

You have to meet people where they’re at. I finally switched to Linux when MS introduced a feature I wanted no part in (Recall AI), but I would have given up within a day or two if the transition hadn’t been basically seamless. I was able to pick up right where I left off, using all the same apps I did on Windows except MusicBee RIP, but now I’m in a better position than before, on an open-source OS instead of closed-source. Now there’s a little less friction between me and better, freer software.

refalo ,

prop 65 warnings are indeed useless

geoma , in Deduplication tool

What about folders? Because sometimes when you have duplicated folders (sometimes with a lot of nested subfolders), a file deduplicator will take forever. Do you know of a software that works with duplicate folders?

Agility0971 OP ,
@Agility0971@lemmy.world avatar

What do you mean that a file deduplication will take forever if there are duplicated directories? That the scan will take forever or that manual confirmation will take forever?

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