I grew up when people were getting worried about Led Zep and backward masking clearly indicating BS shit smoking pot. I’m glad these mental gymnastics are still strong - I’m slowly getting free of it all…
One thing I have noticed is that most people assume that these obviously fake posts are real. I personally just assume everything is complete bullshit until proven otherwise. I guess I’m in the minority.
I assume it’s fake, but there’s not much to talk about in that case, so I look for the people who think it’s real and then engage with them since their opinions are based how they feel about this very fucked up situation if it were real.
A lot of this stuff is really cool tho. People rag on modern art because they dont understand it or because they are pushing a regressive worldview onto others. This stuff is good/important because it is weird.
And for as weird as they may seem at first blush, many of these obviously took real skill, thought, and effort to execute. Some of these would even be dangerous or deadly without that effort.
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I love when this topic comes up because people definitely don’t have a weird fixation on foreskin and totally have balanced discussions that calmly hears both sides.
If you intentionally do not recognize it as a legitimate medical procedure with lots of science backed behind it, then you’re purposefully spreading misinfo. That’s just a fact. Just like how some people in this thread are saying it reduces sexual pleasure, scientific evidence states this is not true. It’s also significantly safer and less risk when they’re a baby. These are just peer-reviewed objective facts that have been extensively tested and confirmed.
I’ve been reading your comments, it’s amazing how someone can link an article to 37 grown men voluntarily circumcising themselves and use that as evidence towards why children would like to be circumcised.
“You know, I’m really tired of having to clean my nails and trim them. I know, I should just cut my fucking fingertips off. That way I don’t have to worry about pesky things like dirt or germs living under the nails!”
ignoring bodily autonomy and the right for your OWN CHILD to choose what their penis will look like for a medical procedure that only should be used when a phimosis diagnosis has been made or when you join specific religions (and not for “so he looks like dad” or “my religions imaginary friend collects foreskins of infants”)
It’s kind of you to worry about the aesthetics of your child’s penis, which studies have shown that it improves body image and sexual satisfaction anyways. You should really leave the medical suggestions to the professionals. There’s so much anti-science in this thread going on, I’d assume that I was in a crazy 5G anti vax conspiracy bullshit forum. What is it about medical scientific evidence that makes people so upset? All I’m doing is repeating and sharing established medical studies after all, but apparently that makes people a little emotional. Kind of like vaccinations!
Suppose we should just not name children until they’re old enough to choose their own name too. We’re talking about some fuckin skin on the tip of the dick lol. Most will never even know the difference until they go see it in a health class or Google what the differences even look like.
What are the pros and cons here again? The cons of the situation is that they might end up wanting some extra skin at the tip of the dick for whatever reason. The pros is health and self confidence improvement. The pros outweigh the cons here, it’s a no brainer. It’s a simple medical procedure has been factually proven to improve health and self confidence, and it’s by far the safest to perform on a new born.
This is the most idiotic thing I’ve ever read. They can change their name if they want to. How old they have to be is different from country to country.
Equating naming a child with cutting off stuff from their bodies is fucking stupid.
like @CurlyMoustache said: names can be changed. and if your confidence is based on a mutilated sexual organ, then go cut yourself as much as you like, but leave others alone. don’t do something irreversible to someone without their consent.
i dont like my given birth name, i could legally change if it i please. In fact i don’t like the concept of legal names much at all, but thats a different story.
Lets throw in some similar cases here. Ear lobes, why not just chop those off at birth? They dangle around weirdly and are places to put jewelry. Which can cause injury.
Ever heard of scarification? It’s like a tattoo, but subtractive instead of additive.
You ever heard of penile subincision? You just yeet a massive slit into the bottom of the penis, that leads into the urethra.
Why not just do those things to children upon birth?
Maybe go back and read all the text you ignored about the other benefits. Would love to see you link any established peer-reviewed studies that can back up your neanderthal level reading comprehension.
I don’t give a fuck about those “benefits” which have miniscule impact and can absolutely be achieved by means other than cutting a baby’s foreskin.
Adults can cut their dick off if they want, surely a lot of men would do it if those benefits are so impressive.
Parents should not have the freedom to mutilate their babies because they say so. Only if a doctor recommends it because of an actual disease (phimosis or whatever).
That is basic ethics. Don’t make unneeded permanent choices for a baby. If it is a decision that can easily wait until the baby is an adult, it is evil to make it for them.
Honest question, did you read this study before you posted it? The sample size is 37 Turkish men who voluntarily applied for circumcision. Do you not find that sample to be extremely small? Don’t you think there would be some inherent bias when assessing the psychological effect in people who had chosen to undergo the procedure? If anything, this study reinforces that circumcision should be left to the individual to choose, rather than having the procedure done against their will as an infant.
When my son (2) was born there was decent pressure to circumcise, we were asked leading up to birth, before birth at hospital many times, and many times after.
I’m sure there’s plenty of single mothers who don’t know any better and just eventually agree. I’ve been told hospitals sell the cut off for woman’s make up stuff
I don’t know where you’re from, but in the US, hospitals are strictly forbidden from doing anything with biological material post-procedure except 1) biopsy, 2) disposing it in accordance with biohazard containment practices, or 3) limited instances of release to the patient (think kidney stone).
Nobody is selling infants foeskins for makeup. That’s fucking stupid conspiracy bullshit.
Ah, let’s see… An SEO article from a clinic in India about the possibilities of what can be done (with absolutely zero citations), a reddit thread and the Coup de Grace, Oprah, who famously gave us “Dr.” Oz. I’m gonna go ahead and not choose to give a bunch of credibility to those sources.
Sure. As I said: adults can cut of anything they want. Babies cannot decide for themselves. It is immoral and barbaric to cut of parts from the bodies of babies.
Condoms gives insanely more protection than a circumcised penis. The health benefits are therefore just a fart in the wind and should not be used as a an argument for cutting people without their consent. Teach healthy sex practices in schools
Cum, I love how your replies are more than happy to pick apart your sources without providing any of their own. A casual scroll through the other comments will reveal that most people who weren’t circumcized at birth have issues with it or regret having to have the procedure done later in life.
There’s a reason the procedure is so ubiquitous for so long, the science and health research is there to prove it. Same way getting vaccines is mandatory in the US for going to school. Same way abortion would be if politicians didn’t keep getting involved in legitimate medical research. These procedures have been studied and peer reviewed for decades by experts, best leave it to them. hopkinsmedicine.org/…/greater-benefits-of-infant-…
If you want to have a real argument with myself and cum (lmao) bring your own sources and maybe other people will take you seriously.
Exactly, you get it lol. This is a funny topic because you can simply drop a fact sheet by medical professionals that all overwhelmingly agree on this topic, and then people will lose their mind. That’s why I’m only interested in looking for scientifically backed viewpoints instead of people getting so emotional. Reality disagrees with their traditions so they really hate it.
The new CDC guidelines highlight methodologically flawed studies from Africa that have no relevance to the United States. They chose to ignore studies that were conducted in the United States and show no link between circumcision and the risk of sexually transmitted diseases, including HIV (Thomas et al., 2004).
Media literacy necessitates consideration of opposing viewpoints from reputable sources. Not all “experts” agree with the CDC. Source.
I didn’t say the CDC is misinformation, just that other scientists have shown the flaws in their methodology. Science. I have a healthy uncircumcised son. I would have circumcised him at birth if the science warranted it. It does not. If parents circumcise for religious reasons that’s their choice. But it must be recognized that the science used to validate this religious belief is weak.
Science is different than peer reviewed science. The STI study has some big problems (especially moral problems) - one practical problem though is the hiv test in the study isn’t accurate for some time (3 months I think) and that messes with their data and wasn’t accounted for properly (some test candidates definitely had HIV before the study). Another huge oversight was that a freshly cut man isn’t going to have sex for weeks while he heals, deceasing the chances of contracting HIV. Another sign that something is wrong is European countries that have less HIV than the USA. But even if it was guaranteed that you contact HIV 10% less often if circumcised, that’s still not even close to a good enough benefit to justify the procedure.
The “data” on why circumcision is beneficial is mostly just cut men trying to justify why they’re superior and is biased. The sensitivity being the same claims are silly. Studies done are controversial because measuring sensitivity is hard. A big red flag is reading testimants of adults who got cut - usually they say it was super painful while healing, then crazy sensitive, underwear was uncomfortable and they had trouble lasting during sex. But a couple years later and they’d lost sensitivity. Underwear feels fine, refactory period goes up. This is because of keratinization of the glans of the penis. Similar to a callous on skin tissue
Why is this a both sides thing? Circumcision is a Jewish rite that became a larger thing because of a couple mentions in the Christian New Testament. It also has some medical application for individuals with certain conditions.
Doing it to all male babies doesn’t make rational sense unless you are a specific type of religious.
While circumcision has been a Jewish tradition historically, it has come a long way since then. There are decades of medical research and studies that prove that it is a safe procedure for newborns and bring numerous benefits later in life. Please trust the science and not the religious rhetoric.
I think part of the problem with this discussion is that a lot of us who were circumcised without consent spend most of our early years thinking it’s normal and there is nothing to be upset about. So when people point out the practice is generally very harmful, it is upsetting. It can be hard to process at first, and I think, unfortunately, some people double down on traditional rationalizations as a defense mechanism.
That being said, I am not a fan of people referring to my genitalia as mutilated/mangled or to me as damaged. It is completely valid to be upset about having your foreskin removed without your consent, but I feel sometimes people veer a little too far in projecting their own hurt onto others. Many people live fulfilling lives with circumcised penises, and some even do it by choice, so, speaking strictly for myself, I generally am glass half-full about it.
Yeah, I think since the practice is based on organized religion and there’s no consent when circumcised, the validity of circumcision is quite questionable.
But, medically speaking, is circumcision harmful?
That’s a genuine question and I see a lot of uncircumcised people complain about phimosis and the skin flap getting tighter and more uncomfortable as they grow older, being cut sounds better.
Seems to be among the hysterical crowd who’s not actually familiar with the medical opinions on this topic. Not surprising.
Oddly, I happen to know a plastic surgeon who performs the procedure in my city, he’s apparently the go to guy for it so when given the opportunity to talk about children’s genitals I just had to take it up with him…he told me, to my surprise that the vast bulk of his patients now are recently immigrated from Africa. Wasn’t expecting that, was more just curious how much bullshit he got on a day to day basis given his specialty.
It’s odd to me, and the specialist that the majority of his work now involves African people rather than the clientele he’s been working with for the past 30ish years of his practice was the point he emphasized.
It can be very very harmful, with pretty much no benefits. The claim that it helps prevent spread of sti’s is thoroughly debunked, and a person’s risk of getting penile cancer is way lower than the risk of complications from circumcision. The claim that is easier as a baby is also VERY thoroughly bullshit, on account of a baby’s foreskin is literally attached to their penis and has to be ripped away. All that pain and risk and long-term damage for basically nothing, it’s kinda fucked up that it’s still as common as it is
I’m circumcised and happy about it because of conversations I’ve had various women about dicks in general and my dick in particular with a few of them. That being said if I ever have a son, he won’t be circumcised. Unless his mom is Jewish I guess. But I don’t understand the anger around the subject at all.
I’m circumcised, my son is not. If it is your religion, have at it. But forcing religious traditions onto those that don’t have a say is problematic. It’s getting better, but it’s still pushed in hospitals unnecessarily.
But I don’t understand the anger around the subject at all.
It’s simply a subject of personal autonomy and body integrity.
Imagine being a grown man or just a teenager and being forced to perform that operation without your consent nor any explanation (as it’s mostly useless out of social norms and potentially harmful). I guess you’d be furious, at least.
But it’s not happening to grown men or teenagers against their will. It’s happening to people when they won’t remember it and the idea is it prevents minor annoyances about being a man. Archaic and unnecessary? Definitely. But getting mad at people isn’t going to change their mind and doesn’t help people understand it’s unnecessary. That said, being someone who has a mentally unhealthy aversion to bathing, I’m really glad I don’t have to even think about “smegma” I didn’t even know it was a thing until I was fully grown.
Edit: to be clear, I don’t think anyone should do that to their kids. If you can’t teach your kid to clean themselves you probably shouldn’t have them to begin with. I just think it’s more helpful for future kids if their parents aren’t circumcising them because they don’t want to agree with the annoying angry people online. It would be more helpful to spread knowledge without judgement or making people feel shameful for something they thought was good. That’s how you get people to double down.
Cutting of a body part to avoid cleaning it is a unique kind of stupid argument.
Nobody is against it when it’s necessary. That’s what is known as a strawman argument.
No one is lying. You are the one trying to convince someone to do something. Not doing anything is the fucking default.
Again, addressing phimosis is NOT the issue people are against.
Babies are not capable of doing anything to their bodies.
It can absolutely be harmful and comparing the removal of nerves and tissue from genitalia to a skin tag is so stupid that I actually think you’re trolling.
Lol. This mf here getting their bs called out point by point with simple rhetorical counters and retorts with a solid “No u. And you have a dumb pee pee.” Epic.
Thanks for this lol. I started to respond yesterday but as I was thinking about their arguments halfway through I decided it wasn’t worth my time or energy (validated by their response to this comment LOL).
I’m in Canada, when I order pizza for my family of 3 it comes out to like $65+ with tax and delivery, it’s insane. Took them to burger king the other day, we got 3 meals and a couple of apple turnovers and it came out to $50+, shit is insane.
Maaan!! That’s crazy prices! Have you ever tried buying a frozen marg pizza and putting ur own toppings on. That’s what I do and it usually costs way less with minimal effort.
I generally order only when I can’t. Like when the day has been a hectic disaster, it’s 20 minutes from dinner, I haven’t had a chance to go to the store or cook, and the kids gotta eat. If it was just me alone I’d survive in crackers
You’re not going to want to hear this, but to survive going forward and not be constantly ordering take out or fast food, we all have to do better in planning ahead. The world is full of poverty traps, and keeping people too busy to cook for themselves is part of the plan. Batch meals, soups, leftovers.
Yeah. During the pandemic I realized fuck eating out. Why is the main public activity going to a fucking restaurant anyway? We need more museums. Like, lots more.
I will say tho, fast food salads (pick up not delivery) are worth it. I bought a $25 salad from a deli chain & said this is too expensive. So next week I spent $20 on salad ingredients & made a salad. I didn’t feel like a salad for a couple days & all ingredients wilted.
You gotta order online and use their apps and newsletters it can cut the price by half if not more. They are making their prices punitive for not using their apps now. Domino’s should be about $8 a pizza.
You mean like all the child-friendly content built around Dracula, Frankenstein, Mummies, Zombies, Werewolves, Ghosts, but with Freddy, Jason, Michael Myers, Ghostface, Jigsaw, Annabelle, Chucky, Pinhead, Xenomorphs, etc?
Am I the only one that enjoyed night shifts? Less traffic, no big bosses around to mess things up or get in the way, no scheduled meetings or other distractions… just do your job and go home. And you can still run around to appointments etc and get stuff done during the day when everything is open without taking time off work.
Mind you, I’ve always been a night owl so that probably helps my perspective…
I loved night shifts back in the day, especially when there were more 24 hour stores. On my days off I could go grocery shopping at 3am and not have to deal with anything. I was awake at the same time as my bartender friends so I wasn’t ducking out at midnight. He’ll, we could go out drinking until 2am on a Wednesday, Uber over to the 24 hour taco stand, spend a couple of hours eating $1.50 tacos, get groceries before the rest of the world was awake, then either sleep all day or get errands done.
In 2016, a meta-analysis found no link between night shift work and breast cancer. In 2020, another meta-analysis that included data from 57 different studies and at least nine different types of cancer found no increased risk with night shift work.
Same. Worked on gas station, chose all nights I could cuz it was easier for me than days. Almost no clients, job is predefined, no management getting weird with tasks, peace and quiet. And as a night owl too, had little problem with staying awake.
Now tho, getting straight from work to uni lecture was a lot less fun. For others too, didn’t have time for shower and I reeked of hot dogs :/
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