This is almost always because of some chump who wants to move up the corporate ladder and desperately needs something they can point at and say “Me, I did that.” When it comes to applications, that’s a lot harder to point at when what you did was fix some obscure bug that most people don’t deal with.
No, this is middle management fuckwits who have nothing better to do angling for a way to get a better position.
The fact that this happens at Google just shows how they’re no different than any other giant shitty corporation, because they’ve got idiots manning the controls who are more interested in moving up than doing a fucking good job.
Source: My sisters ex-husband who is a dipshit who works at Google and did exactly this while chasing a promotion.
I mean, assuming your employer’s corporate structure encourages this very thing (as does Google’s), and you want career progression (as having career progression at Google is presumably great for your resume), what else can one do?
Not saying he wasn’t a dipshit, just that this is just how it works in corporate land. Yet another reason I tend to avoid working at one of these places lol
Mfs hitting they brakes because they TAPPED the speed limit and dont want to go over
And all these far lane fucks that hold up an entire line of traffic because they want to pull into the far lane and can’t comprehend using the close lane to pick up speed to just get over
drive on southern roads long enough. you will encounter them. Either they have 0 awareness that they are driving in 2 lanes (or swerving between lanes); or they are deliberately doing it to be assholes
Honestly “soccer mom” is probably a better use of street capacity than most usage of cars. One adult and six kids in a Suburban is much more efficient than three adults each with two kids in the back of three sedans.
True, but the vehicle in all likelihood was purchased out of “fuck you i’m rich/leveraged to the tits, I deserve a gas guzzler the likes of which Mansa Musa would find ostentatious” mentality.
While it’s probably true that most oversized SUVs are owned by people that don’t need them, “soccer mom” specifically refers to someone that would need that space, since they’re the one that drives their kids (and their friends) to and from soccer practice.
kids here get around mostly by e-scooter/bike or bus, though obviously not e-scooters before a couple years ago.
It’s so much nicer for everyone, the kids get freedom and to hang out with their friends while travelling, parents save money and time by not driving needlessly, and everyone else gets fewer cars on the road.
🚘 🧠 people, I guess. Most people are just born/live in areas where it’s nearly impossible to get around their area that’s not by a personal vehicle.
Getting groceries? Hop in the truck/SUV, drive 5+ miles to grocery store
Want to eat out? Hop into the SUV/truck, drive 10+ miles to restaurant
Visit friends? Hop into the SUV/truck, drive 10+ mi to friends house in the exurbs (and they already live in the suburbs 💀)
Going to work? Hop into the SUV/truck, drive 20+ mi to work.
Going to the bars? Call a rideshare, pay $50+ for one ride, get drunk. Most people probably think they can still drive while under the influence and get home safe.
Only describing 1-way travel, by the way.
These people trying to imagine there’s a more scalable and safer way to transport people is a foreign concept in their mind — despite the rest of the planet figuring out how to properly move people.
If I’m stuck in rush-hour traffic on a 65mph limit interstate going 5 miles an hour in the left lane, I’ll be God damned if I’m going to move over to the right lane so someone can pass me. An emergency vehicle? Sure. But some asshat that is swerving in and out of every lane just to try to get a few cars ahead? Fuck 'em.
If by stuck you mean there is a car in front of you preventing you from passing then that’s fine but there’s someone way up at the front of that who’s not passing like they’re supposed to that’s causing the whole mess in the first place. My comment was directed at them.
More likely, wayyyy at the head is the chokepoint in the infrastructure that is making everyone try to get over at the same time and causing a build up of traffic behind them.
Yes, sometimes it is idiotic drivers, but I find more often than not it is the engineers or the limits of the area the road is built in that add chokepoints that fuck everything over.
“Oh. Everyone wants to take this exit? Make it a short one lane into a red light. That won’t fuck over the highway”
It’s amazing how much a little natural geography can completely fuck up traffic. There’s a spot in Denver where I-25 shifts slightly, maybe 5 degrees. But I’ll be damned if that tiny little change in direction isn’t enough to make someone going the speed limit tap their brakes just for a second. Rippled over thousands of cars during rush hour, it creates a bottle neck almost every single day at that exact spot. I’m sure planning an interstate is a nightmare of a task, just knowing that even the slightest deviation from absolutely straight is going to fuck everything up for decades.
That hall of fame Reddit thread where a guy announced he will try heroin just one time, then comes back to explain how the experience was and how he will try again. Over the course of many posts we see persons entire life unravel as other posters scream of the top of their lungs for him to stop.
Never figured if it was real or scripted, but hella effective.
Oh yea. /u/SpontaneousH was the account. I think about that story every time I read or hear something about Heroin. Even if it’d be fake, this story influenced my view of heroine more than any movie, video or article about it.
As a recovering heroin addict, I wholeheartedly believe his story. His later stories contained some region-specific drug slang and his post-recovery updates were the perfect amount of mundane and specific for me to recognize exactly the same feelings in myself.
Side note: if you’re watching a movie or TV show, one thing that non-junkie writers never get right is withdrawal. They often show characters skipping withdrawal entirely, or show them mildly sick but still moving through the story without any real issues. Worst case, they’ll show a character being sick and then totally fine after a short time. Huge pet peeve of mine. Really undersells the catch-22 you find yourself in when using heroin.
What withdrawal is actually like is pure, unadulterated misery and suffering for two weeks at minimum, followed by months or even a year of exhaustion, depression, suicidal thoughts, restlessness, and feeling like everything is weird and new. It feels like you’re a reptile that just shed its skin and everything is raw including your emotions and thoughts. Those first two weeks are just nonstop puking, shaking, sweating, an uncontrollable urge to kick and jerk your body, total insomnia, scary and suicidal thoughts, full body aches and pains, and enough self-loathing to last a thousand years.
I made it three months cold turkey once before relapsing. Fucking never again. I honestly don’t know how people quit dope before modern medications like Buprenorphine and Methadone.
Feeling like you want to break the cycle of addiction but knowing you can’t get through the withdrawal is an incredibly scary and traumatic experience.
Have you watched Euphoria? I’ve never had experience with drugs like that but I feel it’s got representation of addiction and withdrawals. Some recovering addicts say it spoke to them and others say they can’t watch it because it’s too triggering, so I’d totally understand if you haven’t seen it. The special Rue episode in between the two seasons is spectacular at showing a recovering addict trying to talk sense into a struggling one.
I recall he disappeared for Multiple years and then came back saying he became a junk, had been in addiction clinics and was finally clean after years.
So tired of being here in the states where people think you need a car, like it’s required to live. It’s only needed because we allow our infrastructure to be so lacking that we depend on cars. There are places both built up and as rural as the states where they don’t need cars, where driving for 3 hours for a road trip is considered ludicrous.
I use a car about 4 times a month. On those 4 occasions I need that car. When buying my house I considered some extra criteria like proximity to a bus stop, train station and a good cycleable connection to daily goods stores. Even 10 years ago that caused my house being 15 to 30% more expensive as houses in different areas.
I am lucky to be able to afford such a thing but now I don’t own a car for about 4 years and the cost of owning and maintaining a car seems to be far more expensive than the extra I had to invest in my house. Cars have become a lot more expensive while inflation made it easier to do the downpayments on my house.
Yup in the same boat, and I’m baffled that you get a downvote for this very mild opinion lol, shows the weird car focused culture we have, that someone telling us how they like living without a car is worth downvoting.
I choose my home on walkability and ease of access. I’m “lucky” that in the states I have a coffee shop and a few restaurants that I can walk to, and a bus stop a block away. We aren’t at the “No cars” yet unfortunately, I’m in Seattle and while it’s easy to go a lot of places without a car, unfortunately the surrounding area is very car centric. But, we are moving towards being a one car household
It’s not even a mild opinion, it’s a reality that more and more of my friends are living in. I’m in my mid 40’s so it’s not that it has anything to do with strong opinions, it just makes sense. 9 years ago we bought an electrified cargo bike. That was the first step in realizing we don’t really need a car. I just added it all up and it made sense.
Well good luck making them change that In the meantime, I’m using my car so it doesn’t take 2 hours to walk to the grocery store and only bring back what I can carry.
No one is saying you can’t if you don’t have access, we’re saying it’s ridiculous that we don’t have actual decent transit infrastructure. You should use your car if it’s the only option, but it’s ridiculous that it is the only option.
If you think about it, they’re absurd. To go buy some groceries, someone has to use enough power to move a ton of metal, plastic and rubber around.
People don’t notice the absurdity because gas is so incredibly cheap, but gas is only so incredibly cheap because we’re not paying for the long-term consequences of burning it, only the short-term costs of getting it out of the ground and refining it.
Every time I’ve tried to use a bidet, I’ve hated it. The water feels uncomfortable and sudden, and then I feel like I either can’t get dry with toilet paper and get chapped later, or it breaks up from the water and leaves pieces everywhere. The air dry varieties seem to contribute to chapped butt too. I know some people use wash cloths, but frankly the idea of leaving butthole cloth out in the bathroom weirds me out also.
What is the secret to enjoying these things? Am I just too damn American for them?
Saving TP is a minor benefit. More important is never getting monkey butt, never embarrassed because your significant-other/FWB/date sees skid marks in your underwear, and no irritation from excessive wiping if you have sticky poop.
The key is to use a hose and not a fixed one. The fixed ones don’t really allow you to clean where you’d like whereas the hose ones let you aim wherever. At least that’s how it’s been in my experience.
But what about the chapped butt? For real, the three times I’ve gotten to use one for more than a week (fancy ones in hotels), I end up feeling like a baby with diaper rash. I’d use triple the TP gladly just to avoid that feeling. I’m not someone who has that happen to them normally either, so it was definitely the bidets.
Tbh I love a bidet because when your poop is not totally solid, no matter how much you wipe with tp your butt never gets fully clean and it feels horrible and it burns. If I don’t have a bidet I usually get in the shower to clean. Then just dry with a towel or TP. Ever since I started using it it’s difficult to poop in a public place
You’re not wrong lol if I poop in a public restroom and am not able to clean well I feel uncomfortable (burning/itchy/irritated) until I can go home lol
Your body will quickly get used to using a bidet. It’s like shaving - the first time you shave your skin is dried out, but your body quickly adapts. If chapping is a problem, a dab of hand lotion or some lip balm solves it.
Depends on the water that ur toilet gets. They usually hook up to the toilet reservoir intake (I don’t know the actual word for this, it’s just the backrest part). All the bidets I’ve used have been fine, I haven’t had any thatre like too hot or too cold then again, unlike Goldilocks, I’m not too picky ab temperature.
I can see why you would think that happens, but it either doesn’t happen, or it does and the shit water gets washed away by the continuous spray of clean water just like taking a shower.
I was looking for this, glad I found it. Bidets are life changing on a level that’s honestly hard to describe. Basically, it’s kind of like that super addictive game from S5E6 of Star Trek The Next Generation, except without the negatives. I’ve you start, you can’t stop.
To summarize it for people that don’t feel like clicking the link, it essentially takes the log of the post score and then divides it by an exponential function of the time since the post was published.
After a day or so, the curve flattens out. This probably explains why we keep seeing posts that are months old in “hot” - if not enough new material is being posted, after the first few pages of “hot”, posts that are 5 days old and 5 months old are essentially the same due to the exponential decay function that was chosen.
That page gives this equation:
<pre style="background-color:#ffffff;">
<span style="color:#323232;">Rank = ScaleFactor * log(Max(1, 3 + Score)) / (Time + 2)^Gravity
</span><span style="color:#323232;">
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Score = Upvotes - Downvotes
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Time = time since submission (in hours)
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Gravity = Decay gravity, 1.8 is default
</span>
My guess is that the “gravity” parameter is the issue at the moment. Something is needed to make the decay less steep, so that really old posts aren’t making it up to the top of the feed.
There might be some way of tuning the gravity parameter dynamically based on how much content is being submitted, perhaps aiming for something like “the average age of the first 200 posts should be 10 days” (I made those numbers up, but the basic idea would be that the time decay should be steeper when lots of content is submitted and less steep when content is infrequent?)
thanks for the explanation! I wonder whether it is possible, or rather scalable, if users can pick their own parameters, even define their own functions. Is this calculated and cached at the server side or user side?
So who can change the algorithm? Is it up to the admins of each instance (lemmy.world in my case) to change the numbers? There’s not a centralized formula that each instance refers to is there?
Technically every admin could change it by making the change to the code and recompiling it. Practically it's just code contributors to lemmy development.
Maybe you want a more neutral and stable metrics for a dynamic measure of the gravity? Otherwise you can flood Lemmy with new posts to bury something.
Maybe something related to the average number of active users over the past 30 days over the topics you are looking at, which is harder to alter. But regardless, the steepness is definitely an issue as it should change with the number of posts.
Yeah - agreed. I don’t know the best solution. The other issue is whether the algorithm is being applied to all feeds and communities in the same way. The experience will be quite different if browsing all on a highly federated, high activity instance, compared to just looking at your subscriptions or browsing a lower-activity single community. Maybe the answer is just in general to decrease the steepness of the curve.
After all of this, I will amend my response to say that I think that there must be something going wrong with the algorithm. Consider these two consecutive posts on my “hot” feed:
The anti-vax nonsense from two years ago was appropriately downvoted to hell. The post right underneath it is one year old and has a post score of +13. Based on the equation above, the lower post must have a higher rank than the anti-vax post, as it should have both a higher numerator and a lower denominator.
Time for a review of the source code? Or am I missing something? Do other people see this phenomenon? No older, lower-scored post should be above a newer and higher-scored post in your feed, I think.
Yeah - though I had thought that still the one should be higher than the other, even if the numbers are small. In the actual equation, this would be multiplied by a scaling factor of 10000, though. (See the code discussion in the other comments). Though, in this case, the rank would still be very close to zero.
What I had missed is that, in the actual code, the equation is wrapped in floor() and returns an integer. So both are treated as rank = 0 and maybe randomly sorted.
The question is why are rank 0 posts showing up at all? In my other comment, if you do the math, I think that it should take quite a bit of time for any post with an appreciable score to decay to a rank of zero. Yet we see that these sorts of old posts are appearing relatively high in the hot feed.
One possible answer was suggested in another comment – it may have to do with how often the scores are recalculated for older posts, and if some have not decayed to zero by the time that the score recalculation stops, they might persist with a non zero score until the instance is restarted. I’m still not sure that that is the right answer, however, because I am guessing that instances like lemmy.world (which I am using) have been restarted recently with the various hacking attempts?
Didn’t knew the value of the scaling factor, but supposed it didn’t mattered a lot when the denominator of the division is in the 10^(-8) range.
Another problem in my opinion is in the log(max(1,3+score)), anything with a score of -2 or less send the max function to 1, the log(1) to 0 and the whole score to 0, so the distributions of post with score 0 should be gigantic without discrimination of a controversial - something score post against something with a score of - thousands. Also, some malicious agent can just use 3 bots to totally fuck all the post on new.
And this is a great thing about open source software
Want to know how something works? Want to know the implications of something, or whether it is artificially manipulated? You can go directly to the code.
How does the algorithm work for other software, and is it authentic and not manipulated for other gains? Nobody knows except them, and bad stuff can be hidden away.
It seems to me that the issue might be that the function returns an integer. If the scaling factor is inadequately large, then floor() would return zero for tons of posts (any post where the equation inside floor() evaluates to less than one). All of those posts would have equivalent ranks. This could explain why we start seeing randomly sorted old posts after a certain score threshold. Maybe better not to round here or dramatically increase the scaling factor?
I’m not sure what the units of the post age would be in here, though. Probably hours based on the division by 3600? And is log() the natural log or base 10 by default?
In any case, something still must be going wrong. If I’m doing the math correctly, a post with a score of +25 should take approximately 203 hours (assuming log base 10) before it reaches a raw rank score of < 1 and gets floored to zero, joining all of the really old posts. So we should be seeing all posts from the last 8.5 days that had +25 scores before we see any of these really old posts… But that isn’t what’s happening.
Just curious, is this something that admins of individual instances could adjust for themselves? I could see some specialized instances being able to make use of a customized sorting algorithm for this.
If this is something that admins can adjust, does that impact anything with that content shared to or accessed from any federated instances?
I don’t think any of the algorithm is expose to other instances so that wouldn’t impact the communication between instances. At the end of the day this is open source so admins can freely build a forked version of Lemmy with a slightly different algorithm.
You're clearly not getting into the spirit of the current mass hysteria and/or witch-hunt. I'm going to have to ask you to either pick up a torch and/or a pitchfork (note that picking up only one of the two will immediately indicate insufficient hysteria, though you are of course free to do so) and join that queue over there in a disorderly fashion.
Alright folks, I want to see a nice orderly queue. Pitchforks are at station one, sign one out with either Mandy or Greg(wave to the folks, guys). Station two is where you can pick up a torch. Jeff and Kenny will help you out over at station two. After getting your torch and pitchfork, please proceed to the staging area, Steph will get you all in position, and get your torches lit.
Alright guys! Enjoy your rabid mob!
Who said anything about stop using Lemmy? The beauty of Lemmy is that you can just switch instances if you don't like what the admins at your current instance are doing.
Not that I'm advocating you do that right now based on this post, though you might consider it to spread the load away from the lemmy.world server.
What will switching achieve exactly? Mmm? If the communities you’re interested in are only on lemmy.world, you’ll still be on lemmy.world, even if through other instance proxy.
TLDR: there was an “experiment” that involved using a screwdriver to hold the top half of the cover to get the core as close to critical as possible. One time the screwdriver slipped and the top fell releasing a huge amount of radiation in a very short amount of time.
Extreme/insane positions on everything. Not just one or two insane positions, not just political extremism; when I say everything I mean EVERYTHING. No nuance allowed. And it has to be fully sincere, otherwise you are dealing with a Jreg.
There are milder versions of this, but I have rarely met a child that didn’t have a strongly held insane belief formed from their limited experiences. My favorite was a kid who told me that eating pasta supports fascism because it comes from Italy, so loving Italian products means you support Mussolini. Pizza is fine, though, because that’s American.
I was a big fan of jreg pre-2020, but after giving up mainstream social media I currently believe that only cowards, frauds, and master satirists feel the need to use irony. It’s arrogant to think you are the third, and I dont think Jreg is either. I think he is a coward.
If I remember his coming out video, he’s a Democratic Socialist. Which, if the political compass made sense, would be just right of center. But I guess thinking people deserve rights is inherently left-wing to Americans lol
I’m just glad I decided to go full moral relativism right away back then. It was a good way to speedrun maturity, although I did maintain some kooky beliefs into early adulthood such as
"if you are not multilingual you can’t be a good person, and the more languages you speak the better of a person you are"
“The Democratic party is a puppet of the Republican party, and in reality the U.S. is only pretending to be a two-party state”
“The age of consent should be 25.”
“Evil people can be good functioning members of society, so we shouldn’t discriminate against people who hold evil beliefs as long as they are nice to others.”
It was exhausting. Opposite reason from you, there was only middle ground, no black and white allowed. But it came from the same mental place. Pride, arrogance, nieveté.
The Democratic party is a puppet of the Republican party, and in reality the U.S. is only pretending to be a two-party state”
Ah, I see what you mean, anyone who disagrees with you is a child. America is a one party state, just in typical american exburance they have two of them.
Jesus, so you still think the mature stance was “maybe Hitler wasn’t morally wrong”? Bad news, you still have a lot of maturing to do. Like a fucking phenomenal amount. Just because your beliefs as a child were even more baseless doesn’t mean you’ve moved to a sensible position.
Actually I jumped to conclusions based on the whole comment, as it makes them seem like they consider becoming a moral relativist to be speeding through maturity.
Thats not what I meant, but I can see why you read what I wrote that way. I personally think “There is no such thing as Truth” was a better place to mature away from than “I’ve been on this earth for 12 whole years, so I’m grown enough to know what the truth is”. I also think you missed the part where I don’t believe any of the moral relativism stuff anymore. My young adulthood was nearly 10 years ago, even the clooge I listed at the bottom is loooong gone.
Ok, I see what you mean, the way you wrote it made it seem like you considered the process of becoming a moral relativist to be speed running maturity. Well done for growing out of it, then.
See, this right here is why I love you folks on Hexbear. Every good-faith argument can end as a good-faith argument instead of devolving into screeching. That’s pretty rare on the internet.
As a European from elsewhere in Europe, I’m never going back to Milan. Maybe it’s fine if you’re into fashion, but if you’re not there’s not much to look at except a cathedral which resembles every other cathedral, and it’s impossible to get a photo of it without also having a friendship bracelet scammer in the frame, actively harassing you.
All tourist locations in Italy and France have people trying to scam you (and some non-scammers just trying to sell you cheap toys), but Milan is the only place I’ve been to where they’re straight up harassing you non-stop. Go to Pisa instead, it’s super relaxing there and you can marvel at their past mistakes in structural engineering. A far better deal.
Scammers abroad: Troll with randomness. Laugh at inappropriate times. Nod at them while making the eating food gesture. Randomly start pointing down a street like you’re trying to give directions but just shrug. Pick a random sports team name and say, “Gooooo EAGLES!” while nodding and dancing. Basically pick some random thing, pretend they said it, and you’re going along with it.
If they’re pointing to friendship braclets, you say “9 o’clock.” even though it’s 1:30. If they keep doing it, you just laugh, nod, and clap.
My favourite is pretending I’m deaf and making up signing. When they start gesturing, I repeat the gesture in shock. When they nod, I act disgusted like they’re sick in the head.
They will very quickly move on since you’re a waste of time. The more awkward you make it, the better, especially if you’re drawing looks from others.
I’ve used very similar techniques on men in bars who don’t think no is a complete sentence.
I’m well past the age for shame. I will make a fool of myself if it means some twerp will think twice about harassing a woman who’s repeatedly turned them down
I’d never considered doing the same for scammers - great idea! I’m just overly polite and that makes me seem like a target I think.
I have personally yelled, “Fuck off! No means no you fucking creep!” at the top of my lungs in a crowded bar. It was genuine, but over the top so every other person would turn and see them, ruining their chances of “picking up” at that establishment, forcing them to leave.
“Are you okay?”
“Oh, yeah I’m fine. That guy just needed to learn a fucking lesson.”
That does work too, but not on the ones that put shit on you and demand payment, usually operating as 2+. Their tactic is intimidation and drama—playing the victim to you—but it can not be beaten if you’re playing the role of a happy idiot, providing random or exact opposite behaviour to what they’re attempting.
One of these guys walked up and gave me a handful of birdseed, prompting a flock of pigeons to come perch on my arms. I most certainly did not hand over the money they wanted for the experience I didn’t ask for and was somewhat disgusted by.
I really enjoyed visiting Cimiteiro Monumentale in Milan. A historic cemetery with lots of lavishishly designed huge tombs. Very few tourists there and no scammers whatsoever.
We were in the mood for a chill day, so it was nice to just chill in a park and walk through some random old neighborhoods until we stumbled across a restaurant. There’s nothing chill about Milan, though, at least not where a clueless tourist would find it.
There aren’t any scammers, the place is filled with history, and is relatively well kept and run. The flip side to it is that feels like a theme park at times.
I was in Venice pre-covid. I spent a day walking around and soaking in the sights and sounds. Sat by myself for an hour listening to some guy play the chello. It was beautiful. Never got harassed by street peddlers or scammers unlike in Milan. The architecture was beautiful like nothing else. Its a city trapped in the Renaissance era.
Terrible, not a real city, like the other person said, feels more like a theme park for tourists. Already did 20 years ago, last time i’ve been, never going back.
Funny you should say that; I went to Florence some years back and we took a day trip to Pisa and had to deal with the worst, most aggressive scammers I’ve ever experienced.
We may have just gotten lucky. I also had a great time in Venice once by wandering off randomly and ending up somewhere I can only assume tourists don’t normally go. We bought some fruit off a boat which was both delicious and very affordable, so I assume the target demographic was not tourists. I’m pretty sure that’s not the universal experience of Venice either.
“Preparation purist” is wrong. You don’t boil the tea, you steep it in hot water. For some teas, like black tea, you usually boil the water before pouring it over the tea, but other types of tea use water that isn’t as hot (e.g. around 70-80°C for green tea).
Also, if you actually want to be an ingredient purist, tea must be made from the leaves of Camellia sinensis (or a closely related species).
In some countries where tee grows naturally you can found riviers and pond where the water carried tea leaves fell from the tree, which give naturally to the water some aroma.
The meme is terrible and shows the creator has taste buds that probably can’t distinguish between gutter water and tea (especially after it’s been BOILED a few hours).
I’ve been to a workshop about green tea recently and you can prepare it with any water temperature. You can make it with cold water, it just takes longer. You can even place ice cubes into the can, put tea leaves on top and let them melt
Yes, sun tea is tea. I’d really like to see this meme done by someone who actually knows something about tea (and doesn’t think it involves boiling tea leaves)
Why do you think that the Chinese way is the only way to prepare authentic tea? It’s so weird dude. We have an ancient tea tradition in India. That’s my point. That a purist might think this method as the proper way too. And it’d be just as valid.
It’s not weird at all. China invented tea (Camellia sinensis). The cultivation techniques, the drying and fermenting, and the brewing techniques for various types of black, white, green, and oolong tea. They named it, too. Both “tea” and “chai” are derived from the Chinese word for tea.
Tea wasn’t cultivated in India until the nineteenth century, when it was introduced by colonial British who literally stole tea plants and seeds from China in an act of corporate espionage. At that point in time, China had been cultivating tea for multiple millennia, and exporting it around the globe for several hundred years. India initially produced CTC (cut, tear, crush) tea on colonial plantations for export, only later (in the 1900s) selling tea to the domestic Indian market, when the practice of adding CTC black tea to masala chai took off in India.
What’s weird is that you’ve bought into some kind of alternate history where India invented tea.
I’m not the one who’s trying to change history here. We know that the Chinese have the oldest recorded tea consumption. Doesn’t make that the only valid way of doing it. It’s like saying that there’s only one authentic way to cook a potato, which is whatever the first person did with it.
And about whatever you said about tea being a new thing in India, it’s not accurate. It was first mass produced after the British came. But it actually goes back quite a bit. Camellia sinensis var. assamica is actually indigenous to the Assam region of India, and not “stolen from the Chinese”. Some think that some tribes in India (Singpho, Khamti) have been consuming tea from at least the 12th Century, though they had a different name for it. Some (A Revision of the Genus Camellia by Robert Sealy) think it goes back further, but idk about that.
But honestly, that’s not even the point. Why did you even feel the need to type this comment? Even if it was a 200 old tradition, that’s a pretty long time. And it should be accepted as a valid way of brewing. I’m not even disputing anything. I simply pointed out that there are alternative traditions. That the world isn’t fucking black and white. Seriously dude, when did I say anything that claimed that Indians invented tea? This isn’t twitter, no need to do this shit here.
Coffee beans aren’t true beans. They are the pit seeds of the coffee cherry fruit, similar to other stone fruit such as cherries, peaches, plums, olives, and dates.
You hit the issue, theyre confusing tea, a specific plant, with an infusion. Herbal tea is more correctly called an herbal infusion. Tea is a type of herbal infusion.
… most dictionaries record that the word tea is also used to refer to other plants beside the tea plant and to beverages made from these other plants. In any case, the term herbal tea is very well established and much more common than tisane.
Furthermore, in the Etymology of tea, the most ancient term for tea was 荼 (pronounced tu) which originally referred to various plants such as sow thistle, chicory, or smartweed, and was later used to exclusively refer to Camellia sinensis (true “tea”)
I think the confusion come from the fact that in many languages and cultures the name for tea and plant infusion is the same. Tea is name plant infusion because it is among the go to infusion if no plant is mention. But then in these language the name for “herbal infusion” or “herbal tea” does not contain the name of the specific plant “tee”. This or the languages got it wrong. Yes, I go that far.
This standard is not meant to define the proper method for brewing tea intended for general consumption, but rather to document a tea brewing procedure where meaningful sensory comparisons can be made.
I came to say the same thing about Camellia sinensis, thinking “am I about to be more of a tea purist than is even encapsulated in this chart?” So I’m glad somebody else got there first lol
It depends of the kind of tee your using. Once I bought the wrong type of turkish tea and next thing I now I’m boiling my tea during month so I don’t drink a slighty darker version of hot water.
Thank you. I am horrified that I had to scroll past a discussion of “is pho tea”? to get here. The so-called purist has never even made a proper cup of tea! So obviously pho is NEVER tea, since stock is extensively boiled.
I think this is the answer. They also need to advertise correctly so people feel the need to finance a $70.000 truck instead of buying a small used car for $4.000. Of course with interest and their credit score people will end up paying like double the price anyways.
Another option is to offer crappy versions of the same thing that are more affordable but break earlier. That way you also pay more over the years.
The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money. Take boots, for example. … A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. … But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that’d still be keeping his feet dry in ten years’ time, while a poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.
Apple devices led to Apple Pay, Apple Pay led to the Apple Card, the Apple Card led to Apple Pay Later (installments). Now there are rumors that Apple will offer loans to cardholders.
That’s what they’ve been doing already. It already caused the 2008 financial crash with mortgages. The answer then was to throw around QE money to corporations like a socialist dressed up as Santa Claus and reduce interest rate to 0%.
You can see this in Argentina. You can buy pretty much everything in installments. Trips, clothing, electronics, groceries - pay in 3, 6, 12 installments.
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