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Veticia ,
@Veticia@lemmy.ml avatar

If they made YouTube paid only and lowered subscription to $1-2/month I might consider.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

Does…. Any one, actually, you know, subscribe for YouTube?

Humanius ,
@Humanius@lemmy.world avatar

I have a YouTube Premium subscription

Kekzkrieger ,

you hopefully mean you had a prem subscription, the more people quit because of price policy the better it will be for everyone

Chozo , (edited )

Oh yeah, because historically, whenever a large internet platform starts losing money, things definitely get better for everyone. Nevermind Reddit and Twitter and Meta and Netflix and Hulu having to nickle and dime users for basic functionality of their platforms, things are definitely better. I love all those raised prices and lowered quality of service.

Right.

Humanius ,
@Humanius@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think the prices in Europe are increasing (yet). My plan is still 12 euros / month.

And regardless… It’s been 12 euros since it was launched in Europe in 2018.
If the price were to go up to 14 euros in 2023, that would pretty much be in line with inflation.

whaleross ,
@whaleross@kbin.social avatar

I've got €6/m ad free but without premium features. YT tries to make me upgrade but this is enough for me. I wouldn't pay €12/m but I'd rather go looking for adblockers and third party apps should it come to it.

Humanius ,
@Humanius@lemmy.world avatar

They introduced that tier a year ago, right?

I remember looking into it at the time and deciding against downgrading. I’m not entirely sure why.
I think it was because of the lack of background playback in the mobile app? 🤔

(Bit expensive for such a tiny feature, but I digress…)

whaleross ,
@whaleross@kbin.social avatar

Something like that, yeah. It was introduced conveniently after the YouTube Vanced crackdown.

Anamana ,

Why

Iridium ,

It’s not bad if you max out the family subscription (5 members) and use YouTube music.

Still, I’m a hypocrite because I absolutely hate their habit of hiding features behind the paywall, and making ads more obnoxious to irritate users into paying for premium.

ToastyBanana ,

Ya’ll should just VPN to Argentina and get the sub for cheap, it’s a few bucks per month compared to the obnoxious 13.99.

I pay around 2€ for mine per month plus the VPN fees, it’s a no-brainer

LUHG_HANI ,
@LUHG_HANI@lemmy.world avatar

Just sign in via a turkey tunnel and sign up from there?

Anamana ,

Ah ok, certainly makes sense for ur usecase. I didn’t meet anyone who was YouTube music yet. Does it have high quality audio or is it just YouTube quality?

Iridium ,

It has 256kbps AAC, which is the same as Spotify (in the web browser anyway - I think the Spotify apps do 320kbps)

Anamana ,

That’s enough for most people I guess

Humanius ,
@Humanius@lemmy.world avatar

It really boils down to a few reasons:

  • I don’t like ads, and I prefer not to see them
  • Running a platform like YouTube is not cheap, and I understand that Google needs money to keep things running.
  • The revenue of Premium is split between YouTube and the creators, much like ad revenue is. So it also supports the channels that I follow.
SmallAlmond ,

You pay and you’re still the product, they continue with all the tracking they do.

Humanius ,
@Humanius@lemmy.world avatar

That hasn’t stopped me from using other Google services like Gmail, Docs, or Drive either.

If I ever decide I want to opt out of Google’s ecosystem I’ll just serve them a GDPR data deletion request.
That’s what I did when I deleted my Twitter account as well.

Jackthelad ,

If you don’t want to be tracked, you shouldn’t own a smartphone.

Because let’s face it, you’re never going to be able to stop it unless you get rid of all your tech.

Anamana , (edited )

Imo it should be a choice whether we are tracked for monetary gains or not, and not a necessary evil. But with most basic services/devices you are not even presented with that choice. E.g. when buying a phone.

And if you do have a choice, sometimes accessibility is restricted so much that you can’t participate in our networked society.

I think we have to find ways to provide access to the most basic services with a minimum of tracking. Anything else should still be an option of course.

How to achieve this? I don’t know. But EU regulations certainly wouldn’t hurt for now.

Wayward ,

I agree it should be a choice. But at the moment now, it’s not. And there’s content and entertainment I get out of it that I can’t replace with other options.

I pay for it as well. The AdBlocking options I use on my other devices aren’t as easy to implement in others (like SmartTVs or in YouTubes own app), and YouTube ads are worse than websites page ads in a lot of cases, so it’s worth it at the moment.

Since I’m already neck deep in their services for Gmail, drive, etc at the moment, there’s no benefit from distancing myself from YouTube. I’m working on transitioning to either self hosted (which is fine for a calendar or a shared drive, I don’t care if they’re down for maintenance/failure) or privacy focused alternatives, like ProtonMail, I’m currently testing it to see if I like it before I debate if it’s worth the coin.

SmallAlmond ,

You’re objectively wrong. You can have a fully free and open source android rom without any spyware (not even from google) and be free, and I also use Piped for watching youtube because I don’t have a google account. Check out privacy communities on lemmy.

Edit: And about getting rid of all tech, of course you can’t be 100% independent and have 100% privacy, but you can mitigate most of it if you know what you’re doing.

xts ,

No, sorry but you’re wrong. Your phone will still ping towers it’s near, those pings are logged. You’re being tracked as long as you carry a smartphone.

SmallAlmond ,

That’s how the internet works, a ping is not an issue for my privacy and my threat model

Hamartiogonic ,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

Many years ago I tried that, and found out that privacy is possible, but the cost is incredibly high.

By using pi-hole I was able to find out if my mobile phone was communicating with Google. As long as I had GAPPS on LineageOS, there was plenty of traffic. When I removed GAPPS, the traffic went quiet, but my phone became severely crippled.

Sure, I still had some smart apps on my smartphone, but I was also cut off from my bank, so basically living without money in todays society. Not really a viable option. Also, updating apps from fdroid was incredibly inconvenient, but I hope that issue has been fixed now.

xts ,

Tracking != taking all of your data and selling it for profit. That’s what Google does with YouTube, even if you pay for premium. So I see no reason to pay for it.

Not to mention a premium sub costs more than most streaming services out there, including double the price of lots of Plex shares that have thousands of movies and shows to watch.

If_Its_Kitsch_I_Sits ,

I see your point, but it assumes I want other streaming services or content. I have YouTube Premium to avoid ads. The content I watch is almost exclusively YouTube creators.

That and paying for other services isn’t free of tracking either.

I guess I’m resigned to being the product in some instances.

AnusBesamus ,

I don’t understand the Google selling data argument. I thought Google was an ad broker. Someone goes to Google and says I want to play ads on YouTube for my awesome baking book, play it for people who are into baking. YouTube has the watch history of people and is able to tell who watches a lot of baking content. That’s not selling data to someone in my books as the advertiser does not receive any personal details about the people where the ad is played. He is just buying impressions. Or am I missing something?

CrypticFawn ,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

If you don’t want to be tracked, you shouldn’t own a smartphone.

You know there are ways to avoid being tracked, even with a smartphone, right?

zucky ,

imagine someone paying for your dinner but you keep complaining about the restaurant as you continue eating and ordering more foods.

him paying premium covers the cost of us adblock users. do you really think YouTube will still be free if everyone blocked ads and nobody pays for the service?

Anamana ,

I didn’t know the channels get some of the revenue. Do you get to influence who the money goes to? Like a twitch prime sub?

Humanius ,
@Humanius@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not entirely certain, but as far as I’m aware it is divided based on watch-time.

Anamana ,

On your watch-time? I mean then it’s cool, cause you don’t even have to do anything. On the other hand I would probably have to log out to watch content I don’t want to support financially.

Wxfisch ,
@Wxfisch@lemmy.world avatar

It replaces the ad revenue the channel would otherwise have gotten from your view, at a higher rate than an ad impression.

Anamana ,

Thanks

AlexWIWA ,

Basically a percentage of your premium is divvied out based on watch time. When I signed up it was half of my payment went to creators, I don’t know the current split though

ipipip ,

For me its solely because of a ad free experience on my TV, since its the primary device I’m using it on. And i got it relatively cheap from turkey so it’s not that big of a deal. I might reevaluate if the price increases though.

Anamana ,

Thanks for the info. I played around with my parents old TV and managed to get it adfree with blockada and another YouTube app. But it’s definitely a pain to set up and many people probably prefer the official app.

bloodninja ,

If you have an android tv device check this out. YouTube without the ads. Use it on my Amazon sticks. github.com/yuliskov/SmartTubeNext

ipipip ,

I’ll take a look at it, thanks!

Bonzo ,
@Bonzo@lemmy.world avatar

I dont like ads on my iPhone.

Tick_Dracy ,
@Tick_Dracy@lemmy.world avatar

Well, you can use AdGuard free version to block them 🤷‍♂️

Bonzo ,
@Bonzo@lemmy.world avatar

Does that work for the app itself? Or do I have to use safari? I use PiP all the time and don’t want to lose that either.

Tick_Dracy ,
@Tick_Dracy@lemmy.world avatar

Only in Safari. If you want to use PiP, I recommend you to get Vinegar app, which lets you do both things on Safari.

radix ,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

Not sure how well it works on YouTube since YouTube ads might not come from third parties, but I set dns.adguard-dns.com as my DNS provider, and now Flow Free and other games don’t have ads.

_finger_ ,
@_finger_@lemmy.world avatar

I use it so much for work that I just can’t rely on a typical ad blocker and I can’t justify not paying for it at this point.

Anamana ,

Haha fair, I mean it’s cool that people pay for it. I was just curious what the reasons were, because I never thought about it.

AlexWIWA ,

Because I use YouTube more than every streaming app and my Plex server combined. And the creators I watch get money and I don’t have to see ads

Anamana ,

Fair enough

Relo ,

I got premium because I have ADHS and need to listen to something when I want to sleep or do chores. With premium I can turn my phone screen off of let it run in the background.

Anamana ,

Dunno if you have iOS or Android, but on Android you can also just use Newpipe :)

4am ,
@4am@lemmy.world avatar

As blockers don’t work on Google TV

BeigeAgenda ,
@BeigeAgenda@lemmy.ca avatar

How does it compare to a Netflix subscription, or whatever you got?

Humanius ,
@Humanius@lemmy.world avatar

I’m technically still sharing a Netflix account with my parents, though I rarely use it at this point.
Whenever I want to watch a movie, and I check Netflix, they don’t have it. (It’s worth pointing out that I’m not in the US)

In contrast, YouTube Premium gives me pretty much exactly what I seek from it. Videos from channels that I follow, but now without ads.

Blackout ,
@Blackout@kbin.social avatar

I would dump Netflix before cancelling YT Premium. Everything on Netflix I can stream for free from pirate sites to my TV. YouTube actually has tons of informational and educational content and a premium subscription lets me support it without the ads. I probably watch YouTube twice as much as all my other vid subs combined.

Jaytreeman ,

I've been so annoyed with the ads that I've started to go elsewhere for instructional content.

BraveSirZaphod ,
@BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social avatar

I watch a lot more YouTube than Netflix, personally

ThirdWorldOrder ,

You should do an AMA

persolb ,

Ditto. It is my most used subscription.

I watch more YouTube than cable (never) or Netflix (maybe one binge a month).

I use it for music in the car and at work.

I play audio from some sciencey channels while I try to goto sleep.

I’ll probably keep paying. I do get value out of it.

Robin ,

The combo with YT Music is a good deal.

calvinklein97 ,
@calvinklein97@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I do but I got it „on my holiday“ in India

Stovetop ,

Question for you: I looked into trying this approach myself, but Google would not accept my non-Indian payment information.

As it happens, they also refused to take my payment information when I visited Argentina and Turkey, too.

How did you do it?

calvinklein97 ,
@calvinklein97@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I used my credit card (Visa by Klarna) and it worked just fine. But it’s been a while since I’ve been there, maybe they changed something?

EeeDawg101 ,

Yeah I do… family plan so split the cost with the fam. I find it worth it. But the price increases are certainly concerning. If it keeps going up I’ll drop it.

fne8w2ah OP , (edited )

OP here. I do in fact confess that I share a YT Premium subscription with a friend, though I myself eschew the bog-standard YT apps with those patched using Revanced Extended just because of long-standing QoL issues on said regular apps.

Durotar ,
@Durotar@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes, a family plan makes it cheaper. You won’t see any ads on your devices, from your TV to your PC, and you can listen to YouTube videos even when your phone is locked. It also includes YouTube Music. It’s a great deal, and I’m not sure why some people don’t see it that way. Sure, you could get a different YouTube client for your phone, install an ad blocker on your PC, block ads on your router to get rid them on your smart TV, and listen to music on Spotify for free. But the value of a good service is that you pay a reasonable amount of money and get all these features without any additional work on your part.

redcalcium ,

If you already have a paid spotify/apple music subscription, and already have a buttload of streaming apps subscription (netflix, apple tv, etc), suddenly the prospect of adding $13.99 youtube subscription into your list of monthly subscriptions seems a lot less appealing.

jeena ,
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

That’s where you get rid of the other streaming services and check !piracy how to get your TV series ^^

Durotar ,
@Durotar@lemmy.ml avatar

Yes, and you could even switch from Spotify/Apple to YouTube, because it essentially offers a similar service, but with added benefits. That’s their proposition. It’s up to you to decide whether you want to accept it or not. However, I find it hard to agree with the common online sentiment that YouTube Premium is worthless.

redcalcium ,

It’s not that easy to migrate from Spotify premium to Youtube Music, especially with how Spotify somehow got more and more podcasts into exclusive contract. I also use spotify premium on various 3rd party clients as well, not sure if youtube music support that use case. But yeah, from pricing alone, youtube premium which includes youtube music sounds like a good deal if you’re ok with switching away from spotify/apple music.

BURN ,

I’d argue YT Music is worthless, but that’s just me. I hate that you’re required to bundle it because I have 0 intent to ever move away from Spotify and I’m being forced into paying for a service I don’t need to not have ads on my tv, where I watch the majority of my YT.

yesterdayshero ,
@yesterdayshero@lemmy.world avatar

But you don’t have to have all those subscriptions. You get YouTube Music included so you don’t need a separate music subscription. You also don’t have to worry about working out the latest app/add-on/plugin/site that lets you play YouTube without ads. It’s pretty good value actually. I get more from it than I do my Netflix subscription. I rotate my other subscriptions based on the shows I’m watching. I always have a YouTube subscription and don’t foresee stopping it just coz I can’t go back to ads haha.

I wonder if most of the complaints of ads on YouTube are coming from people who subscribe to something like Netflix, but spend just as much (or more) time streaming YouTube.

redcalcium ,

I wonder if most of the complaints of ads on YouTube are coming from people who subscribe to something like Netflix, but spend just as much (or more) time streaming YouTube.

Actually I don’t watch YouTube that much, probably just one video per week or even less. But everytime I tried to watch a video in YouTube app, I got bombarded with ads. So what should happen to people like me who don’t watch YouTube that much but don’t want to see ads? Clearly paying the full subscription price is not worth it in this case, especially when I already have a Spotify family subscription.

yesterdayshero , (edited )
@yesterdayshero@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not sure I see the problem. Is there a reason you expect to be able to use the service for free and even ad free?

I might only listen to a few songs a week. Is it fair that I have to sit through ads when I try to listen to them on Spotify? I don’t really want to pay for a subscription, especially because I already pay for YouTube. Clearly paying the full subscription cost for Spotify isn’t worth it in my case.

Edit: Don’t mean to sound like a smart ass. But as you can see, you can basically swap Spotify for YouTube in your argument. Spotify is just more valuable to you, which is fine. That doesn’t mean you should get the other thing free. Just like I shouldn’t expect to get Spotify ad free.

redcalcium ,

That’s where I disagree. YouTube got this big because it’s been free for so long, it practically squeezed out all of its competitors. Now that it no longer have competitors, YouTube started charging subscription, even raising the price now.

Also, you can’t exactly compare YouTube subscription with Spotify subscription, because Spotify got its content mostly by paying records companies. YouTube on the other hand got majority of its contents for free from their users, just like Reddit and Twitter. Even if you subscribe to YouTube premium, the majority of those video owners will never get any money from YouTube.

YouTube Music is more comparable to Spotify, but why bundle it with YouTube premium and raised the subscription price instead of offering it as a separate product and keep the base YouTube subscription cheap so it’ll make more sense for most people.

yesterdayshero , (edited )
@yesterdayshero@lemmy.world avatar

But YouTube still is free. This article isn’t about YouTube not being free, they’ve just increased the price of their subscription (like Netflix and Spotify do routinely). You just expect to get it for free and without ads. I’m confused at who you think is paying to store and stream all those videos if it was entirely free?

Going down the rabbit hole of YouTube getting it’s content for free is a slippery slope. I see what you’re saying, but YouTube is hosting and streaming that content for those content creators. That isn’t cheap. It’s a double edged sword. Because you likely wouldn’t know or have access to those content creators if they weren’t able to upload those videos to YouTube and not have to pay to provide that service themselves. Is it perfect, no. But name another completely free streaming service.

And I’d argue it’s not entirely comparable to Reddit and Twitter. Both in cost incurred to store and stream that data, and they pay those content creators who generate a lot of views. Again, another rabbit hole in terms of what payment is fair etc. But it’s not a fair comparison to put YouTube in the Twitter and Reddit bucket. It probably sits somewhere in between Spotify and those social platforms.

Edit: I forgot to point out the biggest issue with your comparison to Reddit and Twitter. You seem to forget that those platforms also have ads.

SirFredman ,

I do, you get Youtube Music as well and no ads, which is a great combination.

Tdotshutterspy ,

YouTube music is superior to Apple Music and Spotify. Change my mind.

Anemia ,

Now i haven’t been subscribed to spotify since at least 2015 so things may have changed but when i’m controlling someone elses phone with spotify i pretty much always prefer it to youtube music which has been my main player pretty much since it launched (i wont change for as long as i have yt premium though :p).

miku ,

I use Youtube music and I think it is inferior to Spotify. Offline music is much more seamless, music quality is superior, shuffling a playlist is easier, recommended music is better, dedicated desktop app, and more. The only reason I use YouTube music is because there is more selection.

I’m not sure about Apple music though since I never had an iPhone.

CrypticFawn ,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Is it better than Google Music was? Cause I had that for years and swapped to Spotify when they first announced they were axing Google Music to combine it into YouTube Premium.

Pantsofmagic ,

It is absolutely not better than Google play music in any way, shape, or form. It has improved a lot since launch though. I’m still bitter about that switchover.

CrypticFawn ,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Same man. 😭

radix ,
@radix@lemm.ee avatar

I moved to YouTube Music from Spotify and I really miss being able to move the songs around in a playlist on the mobile app. I used to spend a lot of time curating playlists where order mattered (I might avoid having two songs back to back that are the same tempo/vibe, or I might tell a story with the progression of songs in the playlist).

I’m also annoyed by the fact that sometimes YouTube Music will hang forever on a blank loading screen instead of accepting that there’s no connection and sending me to my downloaded songs. I don’t know if Spotify does better about this because I never had Spotify Premium.

However, one good thing about YouTube Music is that you can find covers and unofficially released songs much more easily. I search for covers often, to see how others might interpret a song I like.

AnonymousLlama ,
@AnonymousLlama@kbin.social avatar

YouTube music is pretty great. I've got it through revanced so it's free, but being able to find random playlists is a huge plus.

Ceviche ,

I do, YouTube is my most used video app and I pay for a family plan

echo64 ,

out of all the subscriptions, it’s probably the best one. you can get youtube for free but either you’re gonna get ads or you’ll block them, and the creators you like will start seeking other forms of revenue that are just as/more annoying, or just quit.

yt-premium makes youtube an actually nice experience and keeps money flowing to creators. There’s a limit to how much that nice-experience is worth but it’s better than paying for netflix, and a bunch of netflix execs get paid, and the creators don’t. then the show you like is cancelled and removed anyway.

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Yea I’ve been kinda watching youtube through this whole social media moment, suspicious that they’ve successfully taken a middle road here that will probably last. Ads and profiteering? You bet … but it seems that there’s a monetisation model for “creators” that kinda works (though I’m not sure at all about that). And so, for anyone that actually wants to make any sort of living doing the creative stuff that the rest of us lurkers want to consume, the inevitable question of how do you live within capitalism seems to have an answer of some sort in youtube while all the other platforms perhaps don’t have healthy or appealing answers.

As for the fediverse, I think there’s a massive opportunity for donations and crowd funding to become a much more central and normal aspect here so that making some sort of living by contributing to and being a part of this space is actually viable. Even some sort of subscription model for platfroms that are essentially non-profit creator-driven would make a lot of sense here.

That’s a problem that goes beyond any single platform though, and at the moment, cross-platform or fediverse-wide work seems to be lacking behind a little bit.

Gutless2615 ,

Unlock origin on the desktop, brave browser for mobile yt seems to work fine at not showing ads

echo64 ,

it’s cool how the tradition of only reading the first half of the first sentence is alive and well on lemmy too.

Gutless2615 ,

As is apparently the misplaced opinion your bullshit is worth reading or responding to in full. People use yt-premium to block ads. Creators are going to survive or not on the platform not because someone uses an ad blocker.

Riptide502 ,

I fee like premium is really the only way to make youtube more sustainable for content creators and the platform alike. However, youtube has currently deemed that demonetized videos should lose all youtube premium revenue. That’s incredibly stupid.

Imagine if premium revenue went to creators you watched, regardless of monetization status. Premium subscribers would be highly sought after for content creators, since it’s a more reliable revenue source that gives them the freedom to make what they want. It’s good for YouTube/google too because thats less reliance on advertisers.

It could use some adjustments, maybe taking some inspiration from patreon.

CosmoNova ,

I fee like premium is really the only way to make youtube more sustainable for content creators and the platform alike.

I really don’t see how, unfortunately. You give Youtube the money and they decide what to do with it and they won’t do it in a remotely fair way because they want profits for themselves. There are many better ways to support content creators directly than over whatever Youtube decides to pay them at any given moment. Most content creators know that of course and are already linking to other services that you can use to help them out. At least for as long as Youtube allows it…

AlexWIWA ,

When I signed up for premium half of my bill went to creators based on my watch time. I don’t know the current split, but I do know LTT has said quite a few times that premium actually pays out a lot to channels.

YouTube could claw that back at any point, obviously, but right now it seems fair

xts ,

Personally I become a member of the channels I’d like to support or join their Patreon if they have them and then use AdBlock+SponsorBlock and uYou+ on mobile.

If you pay for premium Google is still collecting all of your data and using it for their own gain. Why support them at all?

echo64 ,

someone’s gotta do the hosting part, honestly that’s pretty difficult and I can’t see anyone else being able to make a youtube other than google. The platform itself does have value. I don’t think that value is 45% of the money but it’s not a case of they shouldn’t make any money.

xts ,

Their yearly revenue has increased by $20B over the last 5 years alone, let’s not pretend YouTube is hurting for money here.

And other video platforms do exist and are successful. I think more people would consider premium, myself included if three things were different.

  1. The price. Over $10 a month for no ads is insane. If it were $4.99 a month I probably would have it and not care. I hardly even remember that I pay for Plex pass each month. I don’t want or need YT Music, make a separate plan.
  2. Paywalling old features like being able to watch videos with your screen off on mobile. Most videos where it’s just a person taking and there’s no on screen content worth watching is perfect for that. But they removed it as a free feature locking it behind premium. That and being able to throw the app into the background and have the playback continue. I mean come on…
  3. Screwing over the creators. YouTube, much like Reddit, has taken the thing that made the platform what it is today, that being the content and those who generate it, for granted. The whole adpocalypse and constant demonetization of videos for stupid reasons is getting old. Things might be a bit better now? But I support most of my favorite creators off platform through Patreon or whatever so they get what they deserve and aren’t shafted by Google being full of greedy fucks.

So yeah, really it’s YouTube shooting themselves in the foot. It’d be very easy to get tons of people to sign up for premium but they’re choosing profits over people. We all know how that works out.

Google can go fuck itself. Ever since they removed the “don’t be evil” slogan they’ve been doing a great job of being shit.

echo64 ,

Just to be super clear. There are other video platforms, and they are not successful, and not one of them could scale to youtube scale. And any that did would likely act similarly.

There is value in the content delivery platform we call youtube, value for consumers and creators. As I said originally There is a limit to how much value there is, which might not match what they currently take.

But to say vimeo? Could serve as a youtube replacement. It’s just silly.

focusedkiwibear ,

that argument of ‘they have money’ doesn’t make fucking sense lol. them having money has zero to do with them asking for payment in exchange for a service like every other company out there. the fuck does their bank account have to do with the costs of hosting millions of videos for millions of viewers? bupkus - that’s what.

briongloid ,
@briongloid@aussie.zone avatar

I sub from Turkey, or whatever the new name is, for barely more than $2pm for a 6-person family plan in Australia.

Chariotwheel ,

I tried a free month, but it really didn't tingle me. I still prefer Spotify to YouTube music.

jeena ,
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

Yes, the whole family watches YouTube on the TV, on the iPad/mobile phone apps, that it’s worth it not to see the ads there, plus background play of audio, plus the whole family can stream their music from YouTube Music so no need for an aditional Spotify subscription.

Anyway, I just wish they’d remove the sponsor stuff on the apps like SponsorBlock does on the desktop for me.

BroederJakob ,

YouTube has the creators I actually want to support. I don’t mind paying for all the hours of content I’m getting for it

narnach ,

I strongly dislike ads, but want to support good platforms and content creators. I eagerly waited for it to become available in the Netherlands back when it was still called YouTube Red. I subscribed the day it became available.

Ethical ad free YouTube: you support creators and the platform that hosts them, much better than through ads.

Too bad most videos now feature sponsored segments so creators are effectively double dipping in my premium support and advertiser money. That is honestly more annoying. I have more respect for creators who have Patreon and don’t feature sponsored content.

Anemia ,

I couldnt agree more. The money has to come from somewhere and i’m not watching any ads so it’s the obvious solution. I frankly just use sponsorblock so it autoskips the sponsor spots. But the whole thing is just absurd tbh.

pacoboyd ,

I actually dropped my other subs (Netflix, Deezer) in favor of the YouTube family plan. My kids watch a ton of Minecraft vids and I don’t really care to have them digesting all those ads. My wife also uses it a lot and I get a music service that just works with all my casting devices flawlessly.

I also love the ad free experience when I use a how to video etc.

skates ,

Yeah, got YouTube music after they shut down Google play music. All my friends dog on me for not having Spotify but not having ads on iOS is so nice. I tried it once without youtube premium subscription and idk how people can sit through advertisment hell for every video.

Also having the creators I watch get a larger share of the YouTube money pie cause I watch them as a YouTube premium sub is a nice feeling too.

That being said though, I’m on a family plan and not this specific plan that got its price raised (although I’m pretty sure the family plan prices have also gone up recently if I remember right).

Dasnap ,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

I pay ~£1 a month for it by ‘being Argentinian’.

This is on top of already using ReVanced and SmartTube because I actually use the download feature of YT Music.

cloudless ,

Yep, Family Plan here as well. It’s 4+1 of us, we all watch YT pretty much continuously at different age levels (two adults, one teenager and one preschooler), and since there was one extra seat left grandma also got ad free experience on her mobile. All 5 of us are also into different kinds of music so having access to YT music is also huge plus. The only other subscription I don’t mind paying for is Amazon Prime, for obvious reasons. Netflix, D+, Apple TV+ and such got the boot long time ago, with no plans to resubscribe any time soon.

1050053 ,

I have a premium family membership and I pay around 18 bucks and allows 4 people into the membership I think.

This includes youtube music, which I use to upload my music and play it anywhere.

Chozo ,

Subscriber here. I use YouTube pretty much all day long. I usually have it playing something for background noise while I'm working. I've got a family plan with 4 other people on it, who all also get the benefits of ad-free viewing.

I also use YouTube on several devices of my own. TV, PS5, phone, tablet, three laptops... Trying to manage adblockers on all of those is such a pain in the ass. I'll never go back to troubleshooting Pi-holes and adblockers and adblocker-blocker-blockers. It's an objectively worse experience having to manage all sorts of goofy tools that keep getting circumvented by Google every week.

Also, the content creators I watch get paid for my views. I spend hours watching these people's content, so making sure they're getting paid means something to me.

yesterdayshero ,
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I do! Would probably give up my Netflix subscription before YouTube to be honest. As a family, we spend more time using YouTube than most other streaming services.

i_am_hungry ,

Yep, I watch YouTube all the time, and use it for music, so I could cancel Spotify.

thekerker ,
@thekerker@lemmy.world avatar

I have one through my legacy Google Play Music subscription. I get YouTube Music and YouTube Premium for $7.99/month

lancemate ,

Out of all the streaming services I pay for I get by far the most value out of yt premium, I probably spend 10x longer watching yt vids compared to movies and TV shows, and it has a dedicated music app that links nicely with my android auto.

Stovetop ,

I did, sorta.

I subscribed to Google Play Music All Access from day 1, because (at the time) it was like Spotify but also allowed me to upload my own music. I added a family plan when that became available for my friends/family who wanted it as well, and was grandfathered into that price when GPMAA eventually turned into YouTube Music, which was also bundled with YouTube Premium. Ad-free YouTube isn’t something I specifically sought out but it was bundled into a service that I was using as a perk.

I kept that subscription going at the grandfathered rate until I got an email from Google one day informing me that they were increasing the price, which was last October, and would only allow me to keep the grandfathered cost for an additional 6 months before hiking me up to the new price. That would bring me from $14.99/mo to $23.99/mo, so I said “fuck that” and canceled. The service only got worse after they killed GPM anyways.

Shardikprime ,

MAN I miss Google play music. Uploading your own music was lit

CosmoNova ,

People with overpaid white collar jobs do that plenty and there are plenty of them who will pay probably up to $50 a month or more. Youtube is already testing predatory measures to make chrome users ditch adblockers by giving out warnings to people who use them. Many more will go Youtube Premium in the near future because of such measures and Youtube will keep ramping up prices of course.

zefiax ,

So you are pissed off that people are actually willing to pay for service? Youtube hosts millions if not billions of videos and streams them to billions of users, dozens of times a day and they do all this essentially lag free. That infrastructure is not cheap.

Additionally youtube actually shares their premium revenue with content creators allowing people to actually make a successful living with their creative pursuits and you control how that revenue is shared by which videos you watch.

zefiax ,

I primarily watch YouTube on tv, it is my most used video streaming platform, so yes I do. As does all my friends.

Skellybones ,
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I want to but the price is to high for what they’re asking for. I could have gotten myself a subscription for crunchy roll or Netflix with the money they’re asking

totallyahuman ,

I’ve had it for a few years. I watch a ton of YouTube via Chromecast. I also use the music service every day. For me it’s a good value.

kemsat ,

Yup. YouTube is most of what I watch.

dmtalon ,

I do, and YouTube is my primary Media consumption for both video and music.

That said, I have the family plan which went from $15-23 back a few months ago and it was difficult to keep. I actually cancelled it and used Spotify and some of the available ad-blocking apps, but ultimately didn’t like Spotify, so I came back.

If it were to go up again anytime remotely soon I’d be gone.

art ,
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I do. I watch a ton of YouTube. Revanced and NewPipe are rad but there’s no effortless way to have an adfree experience on the TV.

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    art ,
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    Feel free to elaborate.

    weasel5053 ,

    Yep. I watch more YouTube than TV. Once you get a curated list of channels set up, YouTube is great. And I don’t like ads.

    cazool ,

    Yep. Between YouTube Music and watching stuff on my TV it’s probably the most used subscription I have.

    saltesc ,

    I used to when I used have it when subscribed to Google Music—which was amazing but then they tried to replace it with YouTube Music and yet another big amazing Google product died—and there was no point anymore.

    I’ve considered it to stop ads on the TV app, but always thought it wasn’t worth it. I can’t even be bothered ad-blocking the network to include the TV, so raising cost of Premium now may as well make the product cease to exist in my mind.

    Snipe_AT ,
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    i pay for youtube premium, i don’t like seeing ads on my phone

    punyGIANT ,

    NewPipe (mobile), FreeTube (desktop), SmartTube (TV). If you did not know about these, you’re welcome.

    bernieecclestoned ,

    Newpipe is great, with a play in background mode as well.

    H2207 ,
    @H2207@lemmy.world avatar

    How does it fair against LibreTube? As that’s what I’m using right now on my phone, I’ve had no issues with it thus far.

    NicerLemmyUser ,

    A fellow libre user! What instance do you usually run as I have been having issues with instances and the videos not loading.

    H2207 ,
    @H2207@lemmy.world avatar

    I use the default Kavin.rocks, works like a charm!

    punyGIANT ,

    I’d say stick with what works for you. I will say that NewPipe does not even touch your Google account. You have to go to takeout to export your playlists and then import them into NewPipe. Since I’ve found all three (for all three platforms), the only way I watch YouTube now is through them. Ads are a foreign concept to me now.

    DM_Me_Boobs ,

    Newpipe on Android is tremendous.

    Pumpkinbot ,

    I looked up NewPipe on the Google Play Store. First, there’s, like, four different options that are suspiciously similar. I click the one with 4.4 stars (others had, like, 2), and it says it collects and shares location data with third parties, and this data can’t be deleted?

    Yeah, I’m gonna have to say no to that.

    Bloodyhog ,

    From what I know, none of the apps in the play store is the real thing, for obvious reasons: how do you think Google would allow it? Hence the ratings.

    newpipe.net

    And no permissions required at all.

    Pumpkinbot ,

    Oh, hell yes, that’s more like it! Thank you!

    PatFussy ,

    Newpipe on the google play store is a scam

    punyGIANT ,

    NewPipe

    Yeah, definitely don’t get that app from the Play Store. F-droid is a reliable source for that and many other open source android apps. You could also go straight to the source like @Bloodyhog mentions below.

    daniskarma ,

    I don’t have the money to sustain the “everything is a subscription” simple as that. So adblockers and piracy is the only way to get media content.

    I still go to the cinema, but some cinemas over here are already experimenting with subscriptions.

    1bluepixel ,
    @1bluepixel@lemmy.ml avatar

    I’d be willing to pay for a few subscriptions if I didn’t feel like subscription services are trying to gouge me left and right. I miss the days when subscriptions to Netflix and Spotify gave me access to 90% of content online.

    Contrast this with Steam, which gives me centralized convenience, seamless updates, online sync, achievements… No wonder that’s where I spend almost all of my entertainment money these days.

    Virgo ,

    By the time steam chokes and shittifies we are all doomed

    PeefJerky ,
    @PeefJerky@lemmy.ml avatar

    It’s like what cable networks did back in the day, if you want to view a channel, subscribe to it. We have come full circle.

    Shardikprime ,

    Good lord they are going to put ads again in streaming services aren’t they

    TheMinions ,

    They already have.

    Shardikprime ,

    Where? Haven’t seen one on Amazon prime, Netflix or HBO yet

    TheMinions ,

    Peacock, Paramount+, Hulu, and YouTube TV all have ads or ad plans. Some even just have ads on popular shows no matter the price you pay.

    basskitten ,

    netflix has a plan with ads! help.netflix.com/en/node/126831

    amazon uses prime video as a hook to get you to sign up for prime membership (which itself has been steadily increasing in price).

    i’d be shocked if HBO didn’t introduce an ad-supported price tier at some point in the future. that totally seems like zaslav’s MO.

    NotSteve_ ,

    I’ve started getting ads for other shows and movies on Prime. I’m sure they’ll start putting other ads in front of the actual content too soon

    Sharkwellington ,

    going to

    Uhhhh

    Shardikprime ,

    Wait Netflix has ads?

    Sharkwellington ,

    They have a plan with ads and just removed the basic plan as well.

    Shardikprime ,

    Well fuck me sideways

    SJ0 ,

    I do pay for a couple subscriptions, but in the 2000s I had a subscription service for video games called GameTap and it was great except they could add and remove games on a whim and when you stop paying you lose access to all of it. So you need to remember a subscription service is ephemeral and there’s long term benefits to having the files yourself.

    CorruptBuddha ,

    I just don’t care 🙌

    I seriously couldn’t give two fucks about supporting influencers or tech companies. Uploaders can pay for the infrastructure for all I care. Like people use to host websites out of passion, now everything is about profits, and politics, why would I want to support that? Why should I give two fucks about making someone else rich?

    Fuck that shit. You can get cracked copies of the YouTube App that give a much better experience.

    homura1650 ,

    A single ticket to my local movie theater costs $16.50 for an adult ticket to a typical movie. That is already more expensive than a month of unlimited Youtube premium, even at the inflated price.

    Video streaming is a consumable product. What model would you prefer. Ad supported is still available. A la carte is reasonable in theory, but doesn’t seem like it would work well for a site like youtube (even though youtube does have some a-la-carte offerings such as movies)

    We used to have a movie subscription service around here. It failed because it was essentially sellings dimes for nickels.

    TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

    From an actual cost perspective, a video streaming on YouTube is not even remotely the same as a movie ticket. The company selling the movie ticket has to price each ticket to ensure that the company can make enough money to cover:

    • Rent/lease for the building
    • Wages for employees
    • Purchase/rental of movies from studios/distributors
    • Purchase/rental of equipment to project movies onto screens

    Google has its own costs of course, but for essentially the same thing (showing a person a video), Google’s costs are vastly lower per person, because the video they are showing you is a digital file that lives on a server, and the same file is shown to everyone who wants to view it.

    Another example: A book printed on paper requires a lot of physical materials - ink, paper, cardboard, glue, etc. Selling a paper book requires machines to print the pages, trucks and trains to transport raw materials to and from factories, and to locations where they book can be sold.

    For a paper book to end up in your hands, lumberjacks need to be paid to cut down trees. Miners need to be paid to dig the materials required to make ink out of the ground. Printing press operators need to be paid. Truck drivers need to be paid. Warehouse workers need to be paid. Delivery drivers need to be paid.

    A Kindle ebook is a digital file that has been uploaded from the publisher directly to an Amazon server, and Amazon is certainly able to provide itself with server space at far lower than retail cost.

    A brand new printed paperback version of the lastest David Baldacci novel costs $19.99 on Amazon. The Kindle version of the same book costs $14.99. Considering that the Kindle version has almost zero of the costs associated with the print version, and is literally the exact same digital file that is sent to every single person who purchases the ebook, the ebook, compared to the paper book, generates almost 100% profit with almost zero additional costs or overhead.

    Given this, should an ebook cost almost as much as a real book? Should a YouTube Premium subscription cost as much as a movie ticket?

    Or are two of the most profitable companies on the planet simply charging “real” prices for digital products because they have a de-facto monopoly in their respective markets, and they can basically just do whatever they want?

    homura1650 ,

    A) Phyical books cost way more to buy than they do to print. You are mostly paying for the writing/editing.

    B) Youtube is nor charging anywhere near “real” prices for their subscription. Renting movies on youtube is generally in the $3-$5 range, far cheaper than seeing a movie in a theater. The subscription gives you unlimited access to almost their entire library of videos and music. The only physical analouge is a library, but those only exist due to government funding and a quirk of copyright law that does not apply as well in the digital realm.

    bloopinator ,

    Software subscriptions are what really bums me out. Back in the day you could just buy your software and have it forever. Now Microsoft Office is a subscription, Adobe Photoshop is a subscription, and so much more. Nothing pisses me off more than when I install a basic app on my phone and find out it’s actually a subscription app.

    Literally the only major software I can think of right now that isn’t subscription based or insanely expensive is Apple’s Final Cut Pro at $300.

    basskitten ,

    “buy your software and have it forever” was not really true other than in the very early days. everything that was in active development like office, photoshop, all the pro music software i used, was updated regularly and had an upgrade cost. my music app had a paid upgrade every year like clockwork for $150. it was essentially a subscription in all but name. yeah i could stop paying and stay with the last version forever but operating system and hardware advances would make it so those versions would stop running on newer machines eventually.

    XPost3000 ,

    This right here is one of the biggest reasons I turned to exclusively open source software, cuz man the amount of internal rage I feel any time I have to log into software is unreal, like I open the software I want it to just go

    Spyro ,

    Fortunately Microsoft Office isn’t fully subscription yet, but with how much they’re pushing Office365 it’s not too surprising that people don’t seem to realize this. You can still buy a permanent license from MS directly (with some digging around to get to the correct page) or from 3rd party websites. Only downside is it locks you into the current version of Office, but for the average user (me) that’s not too much of a big deal - I can’t recall them releasing any major must have features over the past 10 years.

    LonelyWendigo ,

    If you’re going to all that trouble, why not try some open source alternatives next upgrade before shelling out for another license? You might be surprised how narrow the gap between Microsoft and libre office options has become.

    TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

    Just wait a few more years - Windows 11 will probably be the last “desktop” license you’ll be able to buy. Microsoft really, REALLY wants the next OS to be Windows 365 Cloud OS, run on Azure (of course) and available only via subscription.

    SuperSpruce ,

    I don’t think this will quite happen. People will lose their minds if they need to pay a subscription to use the OS that comes with their newly purchased laptops.

    TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

    Unfortunately, I recall thinking the same thing about Photoshop before Adobe switched to the subscription model, but here we are.

    Adobe made the switch to subscription in 2013, and their revenue the following year grew to about $4 billion. It has continued to increase every year, often by double digit percentages - revenue for 2022 was $17.6 billion, an increase of almost $2 billion over 2022. And 93% of that revenue is from subscriptions.

    On a more positive note, maybe a Windows subscription model is what will finally lead to the Year of the Linux Desktop…

    croix ,

    Who tf is actually paying for YouTube premium?!

    x3n0s ,

    I do since YouTube music is included and dislike Spotify UI.

    Emi621 ,

    What about YouTube Revanced?

    x3n0s ,

    I really only care about the music subscription.

    Emi621 ,

    Revanced is also for YouTube music

    Samuel255 ,

    I do as well. It includes YouTube kids and I get music.

    kworpy ,

    Have any of you heard of an adblocker?

    vita_man ,
    @vita_man@lemmy.world avatar

    I do. I watch a lot of YouTube videos, I hate ads and use YouTube music as my primary source of music.

    TheQuantumPhysicist ,

    It’s all about the economics. Is your time more valuable than that wasted by the ads?

    If you’re watching YouTube 10 minutes a day, then it doesn’t make sense for you. Cost/benefit analysis should be done.

    moreeni ,

    You can just use an adblocker and/or a custom front end

    Zappy ,

    Eh it’s not that much if you use YouTube Music, and unlike Adblock creators get paid.

    moreeni ,

    I’d rather give creators one time donations, tbh. $5 most likely would cover everything, creators gain very little from ads per viewer/listener

    And009 ,

    I was forced to subscribe because iPad doesn’t support any kind of adblock…

    youhavechosenwisely ,

    Restrictive corporate environments who do not allow for custom software installation. I pay for it but with the VPN trick. I am on vanced and sponsor block as soon as I leave the work place. Sucks but that is one of the use cases.

    gutter564 ,

    That’s nice. continues to enjoy effectively yt premium with NewPiped for free

    Rookiewtf ,

    It crashes decently often but still worth it

    daniskarma ,

    It has never crashed for me. Not once. In what device are you using it?

    Tb0n3 ,

    ReVanced is the way.

    VioletteRei ,
    @VioletteRei@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t find a way to download easily videos like on Youtube Premium, do you know how?

    Historical_General ,
    @Historical_General@lemmy.world avatar

    You can enable it on settings, you’ll probably have to download one of the suggested apps that do this, newpipe is probably best.

    Tb0n3 ,

    Yeah. You have to download in an external app. That was something I did use a fair bit with premium but it’s no biggie that it’s gone for me.

    Gestrid ,

    Install Newpipe.

    Tap the share button in the YouTube ReVanced app.

    Select Newpipe. It’ll ask you some info about the download, then start downloading in the background.

    rustyriffs ,

    Seems like a good alternative. Do you know if there a way to import my current subscriptions?

    Also, I’ve been using the music service for some time now as well. Do you have any suggestions for viable replacements for that?

    TrenchcoatFullofBats ,

    I’ve been using the music service for some time now as well. Do you have any suggestions for viable replacements for that?

    Self-host Navidrome on a cheap VPS (or at home), use Symfonium to stream your music to your phone/car.

    Gestrid ,

    YouTube Music ReVanced exists if that suits you.

    ReVanced can patch quite a few apps, actually, not just YouTube.

    rustyriffs ,

    What all do you use it for?

    Gestrid ,

    I mainly just use ReVanced for YouTube and YouTube Music. It supports some other apps I use (like Twitch or Spotify), but there are better alternatives to those two. (If you’d like to see a full list of the apps supported by ReVanced and the patches available for those apps, go to revanced.app/patches .)

    Someone created a version of the Twitch app that supports BTTV emotes, blocks ads, auto-claims channel points, and auto-updates whenever there’s a new version available. They called it BTTV, though I don’t believe they’re actually associated with the BTTV browser extension.

    As for Spotify, I use xManager. They patch the Spotify app to allow ad-free music, among other Spotify Premium features. (Not every Premiums feature is enabled. Some require communicating with Spotify’s servers, and those aren’t enabled.)

    jeanofthedead ,
    @jeanofthedead@lemmy.world avatar

    SmartTubeNext on AndroidTV. Complete with SponsorBlock and everything.

    deweydecibel ,

    Blocking YouTube ads I support.

    Sponsorblocker is just shitty. That money goes directly to the content creators, not Google. It hurts the wrong people.

    Besides, you can fast-forward those.

    XPost3000 ,

    Yeah, I’m personally cool with sponsorships and I rock uBlock Origin

    QHC ,

    Does SponsorBlock automatically skipping vs me manually scrubbing actually make any difference to what the creator receives in compensation?

    bamboo ,

    No, I doubt the analytics software can tell the difference. It just sees the user skip from timestamp X to Y

    briongloid ,
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    I use SponsorBlock because I pay for YT Premium.

    bamboo ,

    Besides what others have said, many YouTubers that include sponsor segments get paid a flat rate for doing so before/when the video is published. They don’t get recurring revenue based on sponsor segments, only from YouTube ads.

    jeanofthedead ,
    @jeanofthedead@lemmy.world avatar

    I refuse to watch ads anywhere, sorry.

    theyresocool ,

    They gave me 3 months free and it was just the same broken website without ads.

    Youtube is completely broken. The algorithm doesn’t even auto play undiscovered music or videos. It’s just serving me the exact same videos I already watched. It used to be a really fun and good service that was free and now you get shit and have to pay for it.

    Why would anyone pay for that?

    Is anyone running the company or are they all just doing drugs?

    xavier666 ,

    Good for the users =/= good for the shareholders

    Linssiili ,

    Unfortunately you need to (at least in my experience) purge the feed couple times a year. Just use “not interested” with a heavy hand and a light heart. It tends to recommend new stuff after that.

    Jakeroxs ,

    My wife and I watch certain YouTubers more then we watch TV, and use a TV to do it, so it’s pretty nice not having any ads and we don’t really rely on the algo at all.

    Gestrid ,

    If you’re using a smart TV running any version of Android (Fire TV, etc.) or you’re using a device that plugs into your TV that’s running Android, you can use SmartTube to watch YouTube if you want.

    It blocks ads, it’s got SponsorBlock, and it supports casting from somewhere else (like your phone’s YouTube app). It’s also pretty customizable, too.

    Jakeroxs ,

    I’ll check out SmartTube, tho I also rely on Yt Music quite a bit and Yt Prem comes with that as well

    Gestrid ,

    ReVanced supports YouTube Music on Android, and it includes the ability to block ads and enable playing music in the background, among other things.

    popemichael ,
    @popemichael@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I have a YouTube premium subscription for one reason: I travel a lot and you can’t put an adblocker on an old hotel TV that only has the YouTube app

    Once I get to travel less, I’ll go back to only using ublock origin and sponsorship block.

    coolfission ,

    You can try buying an android tv box or hooking up your laptop+wireless keyboard to a hotel TV and install adblock that way.

    popemichael ,
    @popemichael@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    True, but flying with that much equipment sucks. Going through the TSA line, getting hit for inspection, just adds more pain.

    I barely like traveling with my laptop if I can help it. All I travel with is my backpack, so space is at a premium

    Plus, after flying 6 hours, all I want to do is either screen share or log in and not have to worry about setting stuff up.

    Pratai ,

    Wait… people PAY for YouTube?

    Vatteck ,

    Yeah it’s a good deal

    Pratai ,

    I don’t know if I could ever hate myself enough to do that.

    BurtReynoldsMustache ,

    It’s easy, you just have to ingest the entire boot like the above person.

    Chipthemonk ,

    I can’t stand watching ads. Ads waste my time. My time is valuable. I’ll pay for no ads.

    vlad76 ,
    @vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I don’t see any ads on YouTube and I didn’t have to pay them.

    Chipthemonk ,

    Does this work across platforms? iPad? iPhone? AppleTV?

    aidan ,

    Apple intentionally locks down their platform, so it’s harder to use any workarounds

    vlad76 ,
    @vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I’m on Linux, Windows, and Android. On all 3 I have Firefox with ublock origin addon.

    My TV is a small computer plugged into my TV. I use a wireless keyboard that has a laptop mouse touch pad on it. It’s a perfect setup.

    Pratai ,

    So you pay to support a platform that treats the creators of the content you watch like garbage…

    I find that…. Weird. But you do you. No judgement intended.

    dingus ,

    Adblockers, ReVanced, SmartTube, etc. No ads and no fee.

    aidan ,

    New Pipe is opensource

    PhreakyByNature ,

    I have it but revanced is a much better experience overall. I also pay for Premium so I get downloads but if youtube included swipe controls for brightness and volume I wouldn’t need revanced. Though the skip segment stuff is good.

    WereCat ,

    Yes. YT Premium costs me only 1.20€ more than Spotify so I use YT Music and also have no ads and can listen to videos with my screen off on my phone.

    But if they’ll increase price here too then I’ll just stick with NewPipe which I also have installed and no music app.

    Btw… I pay 7.19€ for YT Premium. Spotify is 5.99€.

    MrFlamey ,

    I think listening to audio only (no video wasting bandwidth) with the screen off and Youtube Music seem like actually valuable things to have if you do a lot of driving. I don’t listen to Spotify at home, but when I was driving a lot I sure did.

    shirro ,

    Yeah, I really, really hate ads. Premium used to be a lot cheaper so I am sort of grand fathered in though I expect that won’t last. I could ad block (all my browsers are ad blocked) but I would have to maintain it not only on my devices but other family members with a variety of apps, platforms, networks etc. It is easier to pay fuck off money. Bonus is that a dribble of the funds goes to creators I watch though realistically the best way to support creators is to fund them more directly if you can afford it.

    Voilyrioh ,
    @Voilyrioh@lemmy.world avatar

    Agree, I pay for Youtube Premium too because I dont want ads nor using adblockers and want to support creators. A creator that I really like released a video (something like a year ago) showing his revenue and said that the most money per view he gets was surprisingly from YT Premium views.

    IMO, paying for Youtube is the most effective way to make it better or at least less ads dependent. Using a blocker just make YT more aggressive to people not using it, at the end of the day, YT need money to operate.

    jerdle_lemmy ,

    Revanced still costs $0/month.

    Piecemakers3Dprints ,
    @Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

    Newpipe = all the pros of YT Red, none of the cons, and you don’t need root. 🤌🏼

    Cavemanfreak ,

    You don’t need root for Revanced either!

    jerdle_lemmy ,

    NewPipe’s great, but it’s less useful because I prefer some features it doesn’t have (like the ability to log in).

    Piecemakers3Dprints ,
    @Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

    🤓 Uh, logging in is a feature of NP…

    jerdle_lemmy ,

    Wait, is it? Switched to Revanced because NP wouldn’t let me.

    Piecemakers3Dprints ,
    @Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world avatar

    Either’s cool, no judgement 🙌🏽

    Beelzebubba ,

    Revanced still pays $0.00 to content creators.

    jerdle_lemmy ,

    Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn.

    Beelzebubba ,

    How you personally feel about it is immaterial. Im simply pointing out to anyone reading this that your “revanced costs 0” line is only part of the story. I want the people who are making the stuff I watch to get paid. It cost them time and money to make it so its only fair they see some recompense. I dont like ads, so I pay for youtube premium. You do you.

    Hung_Like_Hodor ,

    Agreed. Perhaps for some others it isn’t worth it but YouTube has been my main source of video entertainment since 2010 and I want to support the creators I watch so they can continue to make great content and without fear of censoring their videos for the sake of ad revenue.

    Rubezahl ,

    So sad there are no free alternatives such as NewPipe that do exactly the same thing.

    Usernameblankface ,
    @Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

    Does Newpipe have YouTube videos? Is it an entirely separate video sharing site?

    JustEnoughDucks ,
    @JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl avatar

    Nope, it is sn app that can play videos from youtube, peertube, and z few others. You don’t log in to youtube, but you can create subscription lists and playlists and everything. Only the youtube algorithm doesn’t work on you.

    Usernameblankface ,
    @Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

    Same content plus more content and ad free? Sign me up!

    I mean that I’m going to go download that immediately.

    Thanks!

    Usernameblankface ,
    @Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

    Ok, there are 4 different apps in the Google app store by that name.

    Rubezahl ,

    It’s not in the store. NewPipe.net and install the APK file.

    Usernameblankface ,
    @Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

    Ok thank you.

    Usernameblankface , (edited )
    @Usernameblankface@lemmy.world avatar

    Ok, I went to the website, downloaded the app from there. Samsung and or Android warned me about it, but I went ahead. Seems to be legit, it just takes forever to load anything. Feeds, thumbnails, starting a video all take a long time.

    My one guess is that 1.1.1.1 is interfering?

    Edit: yes, that was it. I allowed Newpipe to bypass 1.1.1.1 DNS and it’s loading just as fast as YouTube itself now. Should have tried that before posting here.

    JustEnoughDucks ,
    @JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl avatar

    Use Fdroid, aurora store, etc… Google play is just full of dangerous scam apps

    USSEthernet , (edited )

    The amount of downvotes on comments trying to help people not get price gouged and comments supporting these subscription price increases shows me just how many corporate shills are actually out there. No wonder these corps keep getting away with this bullshit.

    Edit: Wow so many people took personal offense to this…almost like it they know it’s true but are afraid to admit it. Everyone is hurting financially right now, some more than others. Yet year over year, the prices keep going up even with record inflation and record profits. Keep shilling folks, enjoy emptying your wallets for the millionaires while you struggle.

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    decenthuman ,

    Ads are going to pay for it either way.

    Shrek ,

    Do you actually know that? I would bet that the cost of hosting the damn near infinite amount of content on YouTube would probably actually outweigh the amount they make on ads. At least if every other platform is to go off of.

    decenthuman ,

    It absolutely costs a lot. Google also has a borderline monopoly for online advertising.

    That’s on top of absolutely harvesting your data and selling it as well. You’re acting like Google is a non-profit or some shit. They’re a giant corporation that doesnt give a shit about you.

    I say this as someone with a google phone and generally likes Google products. But you’ve got to take a step back and realize what they are.

    devil_d0c ,

    You’re getting down voted to hell, but I totally agree. Using someones else’s YT account or using it at work is so jarring because I am used to a 100% ad-free experience. It’s a good value to me, I’m not going to cry about paying $15 a month for a service I literally use multiple hours a day.

    zefiax ,

    Ya how dare people actually pay for a platform that hosts billions of videos and streams to billions of users essentially lag free and is actually decent and shares revenue with it’s content creators. /s

    Things cost money. You don’t have to be a corporate shill to not expect everything to be free, you just have to be an adult.

    mrmanager ,
    @mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

    Google is one of the richest companies in the world.

    zefiax , (edited )

    Ok? And? They aren’t a charity and don’t owe you free video hosting services.

    EDIT: I find it hilarious that point out the fact that you aren’t entitled to free hosting services is getting down voted. Lmao how old are the people here?

    mrmanager ,
    @mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

    No but I’m not going to pay Google for anything. It’s obscene to give them even more money.

    zefiax ,

    Whether you think that service is worth it or not is up to you.

    But don’t act like you have some moral high ground here and that people who are actually paying for a service that you are stealing from and a service that actually shares revenue with it’s content creators and encourages independent creators are just corporate shills.

    Some of us are adults and realize things cost money and not entitled children that expect everything for free.

    dezmd ,
    @dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

    And some of us are adults that don’t have your innate need to wield your moral high ground like a smug pedantic asshole.

    zefiax ,

    I am not the one calling anyone who isn’t pirating a corporate shill.

    dezmd ,
    @dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

    And yet that’s obivously not what this thread’s context was before you started self-jerking to moral superiority.

    Have some self awareness.

    This isn’t a Wendys Drive Thru.

    zefiax ,

    Here, since you have difficulty following, let me copy where the original thread started.

    The amount of downvotes on comments trying to help people not get price gouged and comments supporting these subscription price increases shows me just how many corporate shills are actually out there. No wonder these corps keep getting away with this bullshit.

    I am not the one who started the moral superiority, I just disagreed at being called a “corporate shill” before a bunch of insecure assholes started losing their shit.

    Maybe try having self awareness yourself before suggesting it to someone else.

    dezmd ,
    @dezmd@lemmy.world avatar

    Self inserting as a main character to claim you’ve been attacked so you can shill your moral superiority is the cherry on top of your bullshit sundae.

    Sharkwellington ,

    And I don’t owe them a subscription if I don’t agree with the value they’ve placed on it. Free market, baby. 👍

    zefiax ,

    Sure, absolutely, you don’t. No one is claiming otherwise.

    Sharkwellington ,

    You seem oddly offended at the idea people wouldn’t lol. I don’t know why you’re taking this so personally.

    zefiax ,

    No I just think it’s stupid to call people who would pay for a service a corporate shill. I have no issue with someone who doesn’t think a subscription is worth it. Maybe read the whole thread first next time.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    They were already being paid and profitable, both from direct cash and ad revenue, but that doesn’t ever seem to be enough.

    zefiax ,

    You are free to disagree with their pricing and cancel a subscription if you have one. That’s how the free market works.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    “Free market works” is by itself a very questionable statement.

    But there sure are some more options beyond that. Although some people think we shouldn’t be free to pick them.

    zefiax ,

    You are free to pick w.e you want. That doesn’t make someone actually paying for a decent platform a corporate shill.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    Our definitions of “decent” are definitely different. But this is not just about what you choose to do, it’s about all the fingerwagging people do at people who don’t believe this is worth paying (even more) for.

    zefiax ,

    The only finger wagging going on is people calling people corporate shills for actually paying for a service.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    Then you need to look better because you are down a thread pointing out how people are getting downvoted and ragged on for suggesting ad blocking options.

    I find it hilarious that point out the fact that you aren’t entitled to free hosting services is getting down voted.

    Actually nevermind. Just look at the mirror. You really are talking of Google like it’s a struggling charity.

    zefiax ,

    Then you need to look better because you are down a thread pointing out how people are getting downvoted and ragged on for suggesting ad blocking options.

    No I am a thread calling people corporate shills for disagreeing with people saying we should all be pirating.

    Actually nevermind. Just look at the mirror. You really are talking of Google like it’s a struggling charity.

    It doesn’t matter how rich google is, it doesn’t owe you video hosting services. It’s not a charity. You can disagree with their pricing and you can find another platform if you like. But services cost money and just because a company has money through other sources doesn’t mean they need to subsidize all their products.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    It doesn’t matter how rich google is

    Of course it does. Not only Google has plenty of money to keep it running, don’t even try to make a moral argument out of one of these companies stripmining everyone’s data

    If you care so much about the costs of hosting, I hope you donate to the Lemmy.

    zefiax ,

    Of course it does. Not only Google has plenty of money to keep it running, don’t even try to make a moral argument out of one of these companies stripmining everyone’s data

    No it absolutely does not. It is a business, not a charity. They don’t owe anyone anything for free. That’s how the world works. Your personal data is a part of the fee you pay for the service. And again no one is forcing anyone to use that service. There are plenty of alternatives like Nebula that the content creators themselves have set up. You are free to just not use it if you don’t like it.

    If you care so much about the costs of hosting, I hope you donate to the Lemmy.

    I am new to Lemmy but I absolutely will just as I donate to wikipedia. If it is giving me value, then I am happy to support it financially up to the point where I think the finances are equal to the value I am receiving in return.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    How the world works is that people get what they can get away with, and we who are on the bottom ought to keep that in mind instead of idealizing a model of fairness that only helps those who are already powerful get away with more.

    Instead, if you do care about fairness, think more about those who need it.

    Nebula is a fair suggestion though, because at least that directly helps the creators without constraining them to whatever advertisers want.

    zefiax ,

    How the world works is that people get what they can get away with, and we who are on the bottom ought to keep that in mind instead of idealizing a model of fairness that only helps those who are already powerful get away with more.

    It works that way because ultimately that’s what drives competition and innovation. I am open to a more fair alternative however I am aware of none that has actually been successful.

    Instead, if you do care about fairness, think more about those who need it.

    I said things have a cost and I think based on the market alternatives, what YT is charging is still fair. You may disagree and that is your right to. I did not imply however that the world itself is fair or even needs to be fair. It’s not and never has been and whether is should be is a much bigger philosophical debate outside of just YT pricing.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    We are in Lemmy through rising enshittification of the internet and you still believe that Big Tech sucking up all data and charging more for worse services everyday is what drives innovation? That everyone gotta bend over and give up what they say they are owed? C’mon…

    Do you even use the internet without ad blockers?

    If you think that’s the right and proper way to go about it, feel free. I’ll still handle things my way.

    zefiax ,

    We are in Lemmy through rising enshittification of the internet and you still believe that Big Tech sucking up all data and charging more for worse services everyday is what drives innovation? That everyone gotta bend over and give up what they say they are owed? C’mon…

    Big tech getting greedy is how we got reddit in the first place. And reddit getting too greedy is what is leading to lemmy. So ya it is driving innovation. People either think it’s worth it or driven to develop an better or suitable alternative.

    TwilightVulpine ,

    So what you are saying is that supporting alternatives is more beneficial to innovation than paying declining Big Tech incumbents more.

    zefiax ,

    I am saying you pay for something as long as you think it’s worth it and as long as you think it’s working and improving and then support an alternative when you don’t. Things getting too expensive for their value has been a cornerstone to driving new innovation throughout history.

    Mr_Blott ,

    Would just like to interject; while I agree with what you’re saying, and yes, lots of people think an amazing service should be free, which is wrong… But YouTube/Google is now 100% beholden to their shareholders, and this, plus the last couple of price rises, is gouging to make some millionaires richer and is fucking despicable

    zefiax ,

    That’s for consumers to decide. If people still pay for it and think it’s worth their money, then they aren’t really gouging, they were just under priced. If people don’t and start cancelling their subscriptions, they have over priced it and now need to bring the price back down. For me personally, Netflix is the one teetering on that point, YT isn’t there yet.

    Gork ,

    Dude they sell our data to advertisers and big data for profit. The least they can do is provide some services for us for the amount of analytics they collect from us on a daily basis.

    zefiax ,

    As someone who’s actually worked in this industry, your data isn’t enough to pay for video hosting services to the scale youtube provides. Youtube makes up a significant chunk of all network traffic in the world. It costs money.

    ttr ,

    You’re a content creator, aren’t you? 🤣

    zefiax ,

    No i am not. But I am happy to support actual content creators and the platform that they host on and gets them the most views because I spend more time on YT than I do on any other streaming platform.

    PeleSpirit ,

    But I am happy to support actual content creators and the platform that they host on and gets them the most views

    It’s too bad youtube doesn’t do that, lol.

    zefiax ,

    I mean that is objectively not true.

    Shrek ,

    They pay content creators more than any other platform to my understanding. I think the exception is kik (kick?) The streaming platform.

    xts ,

    Too bad you constantly have to be worried about dumb policy changes that can affect your older videos which can mean cutting off those revenue sources

    Also I’ve never seen another platform that demonetizes content as much as YouTube does.

    Shrek ,

    Both very fair points. But, there is no other platform that even compares for real.

    ComplacentGoat ,
    @ComplacentGoat@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Dude, they ARE the advertiser. That’s Google’s main business. They have no incentive to export ANY of your account data to 3rd parties. Business tell them what groups of people to advertise to, and their systems handle the rest. They’re open about how it all works.

    Thadrax ,

    I get that, but the vast majority of content creators seem to make their money with sponsorships or their own ads, so most of what google is doing is content distribution, not creation. Which makes the amount of money they want for that seem ridiculous when pretty much every other streaming service that produces high profile and expensive shows themselves is way cheaper.

    This feels like your supermarket requiring entrance fees in addition to you having to pay for stuff you actually buy.

    zefiax ,

    Youtube spends more on revenue sharing than some big streaming services do on content creation. Content creators who also have sponsored segments are essentially double dipping but that’s on the content creator.

    Also I don’t know how much it is in the US, but in Canada, YT is one of the cheapest streaming services if not the cheapest, and I get way more value out of youtube than I do from Netflix, Crave, Prime, or Disney+.

    Thadrax ,

    I don’t know about the revenue sharing. But in Germany, youtube premium is 12€, Amazon prime and Disney is 9€, Paramount is 8€ and Apple tv is 7€. Only Netflix is the same price for hd or more expensive with 18€ for 4k.

    ConfirmingMoose ,

    I see.

    We are at fault for youtube giving shit away for free. We are responsible for youtube’s profits.

    We not only need to offer content FOR FREE to youtube … but then accept that we must pay youtube for our content.

    Get fucked.

    zefiax ,

    Before telling others to get fucked, maybe learn to read and grow the fuck up.

    YT shares revenue with content creators. No one is offering shit for free.

    Things cost money, wether you think the service is worth it or not is up to you, but no one owes you shit just because you are an entitled prick.

    ConfirmingMoose ,

    I am a grown up. But I have little tolerance for corporate cheerleaders of any shape or sound.

    zefiax ,

    Ok feel free to build your own alternative.

    ConfirmingMoose ,

    Oh take your ball and go home already.

    zefiax ,

    You should take your own advice. Your bs hasn’t worked.

    BaldrOdinson ,

    It’s surprising to me. First moment I’ve thought maybe Lemmy is a worse place to be. Is there really that many astroturfing trolls here? Yikes.

    Ado ,

    I can afford $13/month on my income and watch YT on a daily basis, much more than any other streaming service by a wide margain. Does that somehow make me an astroturfing troll?

    deweydecibel , (edited )

    I’m not going to defend the price increase, but a lot of comments in here are just aimless hatred of the idea of paying anything, ever.

    Pound for pound, YouTube Premium has been a decent deal at $10. Has been. This is pushing it, but there’s a lot of comments that seem absolutely indignant at the idea of paying YouTube period (and by extension the content creators).

    There’s got to be some room for nuance here. The internet is plagued by advertising and paywalls, yes, but it can also not exist without them, so we find some middle ground.

    MagicalPanda ,
    @MagicalPanda@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve been using the internet for over 24 years. I can tell you that the internet can survive without ads or paywalls. Ads and paywalls are a product of greed. Ads are way more efficient these days but many used to take up so much memory. I remember when AdBlock or whatever it was called came out. It made browsing the internet smoother.

    atomWood ,

    The only way the internet can survive without ads or paywalls is for the person/business hosting the content to pay for everything out of pocket.

    A platform like YouTube could never exist without some form of revenue. I understand that there are small platforms out there, such as PeerTube, but they will never be comparable to the scale of YouTube without some form of revenue. Sure, people could grow PeerTube by spinning up their own instances, but then they need to provide their own hardware and storage. At which point you’re spending just as much, or likely more, than you would on a subscription service.

    variants ,

    I think its possible it will just be slow and requires people to sacrifice a bit just like we are trying to do with lemmy. maybe find a different route for ads like how Brave the browser does it where it give the user the choice to see ads and give them and the content creator a cut if they agree to it, not that I trust that browser but its an interesting concept

    Karza ,

    It can definitely exist without advertising and paywalls. It just going to be smaller.

    persolb ,

    Yeah. We can’t have free, privacy, and creators that eat. Pick two.

    (We might end up paying and getting neither privacy or paid creators… but at least it is worth the attempt to do things right.)

    marmo7ade ,

    I like how you can insult people by calling them a shill because they support youtube premium, but if I insult you, mods delete me comment. Nice double standards. You are a child who thinks they are entitled.

    USSEthernet ,

    You can say what you want to or about me, I honestly don’t care. I didn’t even see what you said or report it. Have fun emptying your wallet for your corpo overlords.

    mrmanager ,
    @mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

    Poeple think they are sharing their enormous profits with creators. Maybe they get a few bucks from the billions.

    bandario ,
    @bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I think what you are seeing here so far is the organic result of those dumb enough to pay this kind of money for youtube being personally offended and defending their bad decisions.

    We will get there but I’m not sure that this platform is large enough to be a major target for corpo bots just yet. Just dummies.

    ZodiacSF1969 ,

    Yet year over year, the prices keep going up even with record inflation

    Well yeh, that’s what inflation is…

    soulifix ,

    I don’t understand what shilling will earn for these people. The corps don’t care about you. They never will and never have. Do these shills think there’s some comfy bonus to be gained if they wave their flag around in support of greedy practices?

    sf1tzp ,

    Wait, what the FUCK!?!

    This price increase is live for new subscribers as seen on youtube.com/premium. Instead of $11.99, YouTube Premium now costs $13.99/month. Meanwhile, it’s $18.99 if you’re subscribing from the iOS YouTube app.

    I’ve been paying $4/month over market rate this whole time?

    PipedLinkBot ,

    Here is an alternative Piped link(s): piped.video/premium

    Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

    I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.

    fne8w2ah OP ,

    Apple tax.

    sf1tzp ,

    I’ve heard about it but didn’t realize someone like google would blatantly do this. SMH

    On PC, I’ve never watched ads. Only bought premium after getting an iPhone 2 years ago.

    Appreciate being able to support creators while not watching ads ¯_ (ツ)_/¯ , lot of good that did me.

    freundTech ,

    Yeah. That’s normal if you subscribe to things through (iOS or android) apps.

    Google and apple don’t allow apps you roll their own payment methods to “protect their users”. Apps have to use the Google/Apple payment system where Google/Apple take a 30% cut of every payment.

    With YouTube being owner by Google they probably don’t have to pay those 30% on Android, but they have to on iOS.

    sf1tzp ,

    Oh yeah. When you put it that way, it’s totally understandable.

    But now I’ve betrayed the fact that I’m willing to pay a lot for community driven content :D

    Still switching around as soon as I’m back at my PC though

    jwagner7813 ,

    Create a problem. Generate a paid for solution. ??? Profit!

    nanyabusiness ,

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    sf1tzp ,

    Not really though? Apple makes good hardware and operating systems, and generally have a good privacy-forward stance when it comes to software (in my opinion).

    Unfortunately it’s not as cut and dry as “use Gentoo” - if my ad revenue is potentially worth x, lemme just pay x for the service. I know I’m not alone in this sense.

    kworpy ,

    These services think people get their money from trees. Also seriously who even pays for YouTube Premium? There are both adblockers and website download tools, both of which are completely free.

    youhavechosenwisely ,

    Restrictive corporate environments who do not allow for custom software installation. I pay for it but with the VPN trick. I am on vanced and sponsor block as soon as I leave the work place. Sucks but that is one of the use cases.

    Codandchips ,
    @Codandchips@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve also noticed now that the video quality option on some accounts requires YT Premium to watch in 1080 60

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