It specifically says on the steam purchase page it is required. It specifically says on Sony’s website that ps plus is required for ps5, and if you click on pc it just provides a link to steam. Nowhere do I see it even mentions needing or not needing a psn account on sony’s website.
Directly from Sony. It may be required for certain modes or features. Not for the entire game to function. Even the EULA that you agree to for the game says nothing about requiring a PSN account.
I still don’t know why you’re so determined to back Sony on their bullshit that is anti-consumer, and is actively harming the gaming community.
Lol. So it doesn’t say you don’t need a psn account.
They paid to publish the game, bro. They said you have to have a psn ID from the get go. Anyone getting pissed about it is just what? Mad at themselves for ignoring the big bronze colored warning on the store page? It wasn’t hidden.
Is the entire game a mode or feature? If it’s not then you can fuck off with that argument that it doesn’t say you don’t need it. If you’re a Sony PR person you’re bad at it. And if you’re not, then you have a weird obsession with siding with shitty corporate behavior.
Its not simply because it’s something “Easy”. Its because people are sick and tired of not owning what we buy. I’m not sure why you would want to defend someone who would happily take everything they could away from you, and actively do via your rights and digital privacy.
i don’t play nor care about helldivers 2 but i can certainly emphasize with people that have had their favorite game linking to a service that is blocked/not supported. you either use a free VPN which good luck with shitty connectivity, high packet loss and ping, or use a paid VPN which basically converts all your games into a subscription that is most certainly not affordable for many 3rd world users, and at the end you are still probably dealing with the issues mentioned before since you are adding extra hops in your route. and that’s if you can get your hands on a working VPN which since most companies have their IP addresses known you get forced into shady VPNs automatically.
plus you are massively risking your data since you can’t trust the person at the other end, especially with free VPNs that could be loaded with viruses and spyware. in addition in most cases using a VPN can and will trigger false bot flags, causing either a temporary block or worse a ban, not to mention lying about your region when creating an account is in most cases is against TOS (although it’s unlikely you get banned for it).
for example i wanted to play titanfall 2 when it came out but couldn’t due to it being linked to EA account system which is definitely blocked here. never bothered with the official Ultima Online because EA. wanna play the free copy of GTA V? can’t download shit off Epic Games. wanna play any games made by Riot? you better get that DNS service ready cause otherwise you can’t get in. wanna update warframe? too bad the CDN service they use blocks your region (this was a long time ago i remember being pissed off about it).
so stop being an asshole online. we deserve to play games like other people without resorting to hacks in order to have a worse experience that was forced upon us. even ignoring all of my rant this decision is still against privacy of most users by handing their data over to yet another big company. i cannot imagine what would compel someone to make an ass out of themselves to call people that are against this cry babies.
Paid VPNs are dirt cheap worldwide… If you can already afford a PC capable of playing HD2, you can afford a few bucks a year for a reputable VPN.
You have actual clueless first-worlder logic
If 60 to 160 USD per year is “dirt cheap” to you, you have absolutely no place to speak. Hundreds of dollars over the course of 5 years just to circumvent stupid geolocation restrictions and nothing else – about the same cost to twice the cost of a low-to-mid range gaming PC BTW – is not affordable to most people. How do you compare basically throwing away hundreds of USD yearly opposed to a one-time purchase of an important utility in the modern age? How do you view that as cheap for people in countries where that could be a large chunk or most of their salary? Are people not allowed to buy expensive things for themselves rarely and actually enjoy them without having an unnecessary subscription expense tacked on just because they were born in a poorer county?
How would you feel if I told you there were a “fuck you” fee of 10% of the cost of your house every year just because you’re American or Canadian or British or some shit, on top of your income & property taxes? I mean you’re a homeowner so you can obviously afford it.
well nice job ignoring literally everything else i said but alright. my rule of thumb for comparing my purchasing power vs an american is to multiply the product’s value by 15. so you tell me that you wouldn’t feel annoyed if you had to pay 375$/year (ignoring the increased data cap costs that comes with using a VPN of course) for a service that might get blocked at any moment? never mind the scammers that are absolutely littered everywhere.
and the regions that are not supported by PSN probably don’t have regional pricing in steam as well, so we also have to pay that fuck you fee if we want to buy our games legit, unless of course you are willing to risk a ban (which actually isn’t that unlikely) in order to region hop, or get a CD key that was most likely bought with stolen gift card money of scam victims. and steam recently has been cracking down on both region hopping and the price disparity seen between different regions.
yes it’s not the most earth shattering issue on the planet, but at least we get to complain about it online right?
Why do people expressing frustration deserve your explicit lack of empathy? Why do you care so much? Why is “aha! Gotcha! You’re from Iran, so you’re neglected luxuries in other situations but not this one so your opinion doesn’t matter” sound like a reasonable response to you?
You sound like a bitter spiteful individual who’s more interested in finding a reason to be contrarian and angry with people than compassionate. Coincidentally with frustrations over corporations.
Go take a break from the internet if “why does a human deserve my empathy?” Seems like something that is ever reasonable to say or think. Empathy doesn’t mean you have to agree with someone, to preempt that lame excuse.
Good catch! Just a typo on my part. I used mapchart.com to make the map, and it was unfortunately an entirely manual process and the map builder I used didn’t include most microstates; the rest of the ones I listed weren’t on the map. Sri Lanka and Suriname are pictured though. :)
I was waiting until some sort of offline mode since I’ve been burned by The Crew, I don’t think it’s happening considering how anal they are being about a PSN account.
You say that, but it clearly worked here. And, for live service games in general, playing The Waiting Game™ lets you see how bullshit said live service ends up becoming after a awhile.
They probably pipe all their output text through a filter that was originally intended for user generated content. Might not really make sense but something tells me at some point there was a typo from a valve employee that prompted this decision
It’s used for ecosystem and biodiversity preservation. Europe forced the poor rich people to hide in places such as Andorra, Monaco, Lichtenstein, and other repressed micro states. But at least there they are free to practice their own tax optimisation strategy, without intervention from evil communist states.
Countries whose exchange rate likely made the game even more expensive, and you’ve taken it from them just to dox PC gamers on the PlayStation network.
This isn’t even enshittification. It’s outright fraud.
OK, maybe I’m missing something in all this, as I have both Steam and PSN accounts already, but wasn’t it always on the Steam page, in a gold box, that a 3rd party (PSN) account was needed to play the game?
Yes. I also haven’t seen any confirmation that any of those countries listed had the game available to purchase without spoofing their location.
The bandwagoners are all getting upset over the implementation of the requirement that was always there, and now that they’ve been given like a month’s notice that they have to actually make a PSN account that was always a listed requirement, they’re all in a tizzy.
The requirement was a small bullet on the Steam page. And Sony’s own website says a PSN account is not required. So Sony has said both things, and for three months it was not required. There is also no actual functional need for the account. Additionally the game studio has said that the countries where the game was sold, but PSN was not available is an issue they are looking into. I don’t understand why anyone is defending this move from Sony. The users gain no benefit, and there is an obvious negative impact. So maybe stop sucking off corporations?
A gold bullet amongst other gold bullets, in a section that not everyone is going to look at. For a game that is sold globally when PSN is not available globally. This is anti-consumer behavior strictly meant to increase corporate power in the interest of corporate greed. Why defend Sony and their shitty behavior? This doesn’t help gamers. There is no benefit.
People don’t read the TOS, you know that. I didn’t read them either. If you want to say that’s my fault then that’s fine but I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect people to pay attention to something like that in this context. It’s a video game. Any restrictions or conditions like this are arbitrary and unnecessary.
I don’t have a Playstation, have no interest in one, and will not be creating a PSN account. I probably won’t refund the game but I’m not going to keep playing it if they keep this requirement, which is a shame because I’ve really enjoyed my time with it. If this is the hill they want to die on then my interest will die on that hill with them.
The 2 hour refund window is for automated refunds, you can still make a request if you’re past that - it’s just going to need a human to take a look at it. I’ve once succesfully returned a game I’ve played for about 5 hours because it had game-breaking bugs and ran like crap for no reason, and it got accepted within a day without an issue.
So Helldivers owners have a chance. I’m assuming that Steam’s Customer Support department is having some kind of an internal discussion right now on how to handle this case.
I haven’t seen anyone actually confirm the game was for sale in any of those countries. I know people from some of those countries have been playing, but did they buy the game by spoofing their country, or was the game ever actually available in any of them?
Thanks. I really don’t know why the hell all these Steve’s in here are downvoting me for wanting to know the answer to a question about all of this, but that’s gonna be pretty screwed up if everyone from any of those countries isn’t refunded.
You’re the only source that’s found an actual answer about it. +1
people now have to create a PSN account in order to play. The people in these countries cannot create an account, so they are locked out of a game they purchased.
They aren’t locked out yet, the PSN requirement is in 1 month, and the Arrowhead CEO said they are discussing solutions to this problem specifically. I highly doubt they leave these players high and dry
Was the game even confirmed to be for sale in any of those countries, or did people in those countries spoof their locations to buy it in the first place, ignoring the listed requirement of a PSN account requirement?
There was no bait and switch. Psn was always listed as required. This isn’t like sticking Denovo on a game right after the reviewers all get their reviews out.
No, it was not always required to play the game. I’ve seen plenty of “account required” shit to play games in my time, but those are generally required to engage in online multiplayer, or competitive modes, and that was the assumption that I had when I played the game in the first week and bypassed the PSN account message. There was no warning that it would be switched to require PSN later. There was no notice that a PSN account would be required to make in-game purchases. There was no notice that PSN would be required just to load up the game, let alone play it single-player offline. I think I made a fair and reasonable assumption that I was playing the game to the fullest extent that I could without a PSN account. If I had received notice that a PSN account was required to play the game at all, then I would have not put ~150 hrs into it.
Let’s go ahead and address some other bullshit arguments while I’m here, I’ve been dying for this to pop up on lemmy so I can comment…
Stop going wah it only take 120 seconds to setup ur account…
Let’s face it, the people wronged here have put tens, if not over 100 hrs into playing a game, if you think the time required to setup the account is in any way, shape, or form, the arguement here, then you are a fucking moron.
Other games require to you have a PSN, Xbox, Ubisoft, bullshit corpo account…
Sure, but I don’t play most of those games, or they offer offline or limited play without the account, or the game was free, or the account or was required to play the game from the beginning, enforced, and made obvious that was the stance on the issue. HD2 got so big because it was fun, and it was fun because it was free from bullshit (or at least reduced a significant amount by modern gaming standards). The game’s success was built partly, if not majorly by not enforcing the PSN account for PC, backtracking on that now feels like a slap in the face and a kick in the nuts to players.
Other companies get hacked with your data, just give your data to Sony, it’s probably leaked already.
How do you think we got in this mess in the first place? By giving up our data to corporations who do not treat it properly.
Finally, the game has worked fine for months without a PSN account. You can join matches, make friends, block dickheads and report greifers and hackers. Adding the PSN account only does 2 things for PC players; let’s Sony sell your personal life, and massively increases the chance that you’ll need to repurchase the game because of unnecessary “account issues”.
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