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fkn , in Who is this "Jenkins" and what now has broken him?

I know this is a meme, but just in case someone doesn’t actually know. CI saves literally thousands upon thousands of dev hours a year, even for small teams.

Jajcus ,

And a lot of users' frustration, especially on more niche platforms (Linux, ARM, etc.) - things look much better on release when the code have been regularly compiled and, hopefully tested, on all platforms, not just the one the lead developer uses.

Dasnap ,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

It wouldn’t surprise me if this meme was made by an ops guy.

synae ,
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Ops loves CI systems, if the artifact doesn’t come from Jenkins (or friends) it simply doesn’t exist to us.

Dasnap ,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

I’m also ops and I get it, it just seems like they’re shitposting.

synae ,
@synae@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I sure hope so ;) else I’m on the wrong /c

Dasnap ,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

We only have serious IT discussions here.

engineZ ,

Probably also causes lots of hours of maintenance and troubleshooting…but it’s a net gain in the end.

fkn ,

I can’t even imagine not having a ci pipeline anymore. Having more than a single production architecture target complete with test sets, Security audits, linters, multiple languages, multiple hour builds per platform… hundreds to thousands of developers… It’s just not possible to even try to make software at scale without it.

astral_avocado ,
@astral_avocado@programming.dev avatar

Multiple hour builds dear god 😵‍💫

Dasnap ,
@Dasnap@lemmy.world avatar

If you fuck up the setup and deploy to multiple environments at once with each one set to rebuild an image/program things can get long. You really have to fuck it though.

CoderKat ,

As annoying as it is when someone else breaks the CI pipeline on me, it is utterly invaluable for keeping the vast majority of commits from being able to break other people (and from you breaking others). I can’t imagine not having some form of CI to preventing merging bad code.

csm10495 ,
@csm10495@sh.itjust.works avatar

You should have seen my last job.

rambaroo ,

Hah, or my current one. Before we had CI you just directly committed to master (on SVN). It was incredible how unstable our build was. It broke basically everyday. Then one of the senior back end guys got promoted to architect and revamped the whole thing. Probably saved the company tens of millions dollars in man hours, at the very least.

TheBananaKing ,

I often wonder if there isn’t some goodharty kind of local-maximum trap hiding in this…

Eufalconimorph ,

Even better is when you restrict merges to trunk/main/master/develop (or whatever you call it) to only happen from the CI bot *after all tests (including builds for all supported platforms) pass. Nobody else breaks the CI pipiline, because breaking changes just don’t merge. The CI pipeline can test itself!

devious ,

Why waste time with CI when you can save on thousands of dev hours by limiting yourself to only one giant fuck off release every year!

/Taps forehead so hard it causes brain damage

thisfro , in I hate it

It looks very weird, but if you put it like abab vs abba, it makes more sense

Wilzax ,

bdbd is not a palindrome but bddb is

Klear ,

I hate it

lugal ,

This is much easier to parse for me than the one in the post. Interesting. I guess letters are easier to abstract

30p87 ,
@30p87@feddit.org avatar

Yes, baddragonbaddragon is, in fact, not a palindrome.

davidagain ,

Username checks out.

Sparky ,
@Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

:3

intensely_human ,

bddb is my favorite word to pronounce

kambusha ,

I think you just hacked my modem

kamenlady ,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

Maijin bddb

ninja ,

do you have to say it while flipping your finger up and down over your lips?

houndeyes ,
@houndeyes@toast.ooo avatar

Is it pronounced like that Super Troopers Porsche song? https://media1.tenor.com/m/22Q5hBvFOxIAAAAC/super-troopers-feather.gif

davidagain ,

I hate this even more than the original one. At least the original one had a horizontal line of symmetry to calm me a bit.

raman_klogius ,

mamma mia

thisfro ,

Here I go again

raindrop1988 , (edited ) in Has this ever happened to you?

I write the code: $400 an hour

I write the code and you help me: $800 an hour

You write the code and I help you: $1600 an hour

You write the code: $3200 an hour

zurohki ,

I wrote a bit of python earlier, do I have to send you a cheque?

Hupf ,

If you have to ask that question, then the answer is yes

ArtVandalist ,

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  • hydroptic ,

    That’s $6400 per hour

    ArtVandalist ,

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  • Hupf ,

    I would not if noticed that if not for your addendum.

    puppy , (edited )

    Of course not! Cash is also acceptable.

    raindrop1988 ,

    Does it work? If so, no worries. If not, and you want me to fix it and/or listen to you complain about it, then pay up! :D

    Mango ,

    Actually I’m his manager, so you gotta pay me and I sign his checks.

    Anticorp ,

    Pssh, I wish I was getting $400 an hour to write code.

    korstmos , in Good Old Windows

    Because paying a few grand a year for a certificate somehow makes your software more trustworthy

    magic_lobster_party ,

    The original Twitter checkmark

    RippleEffect ,

    Well it at least is an obstacle. Broke hackers won’t get it or will have to work harder to get around it.

    Ddhuud ,

    That’s the intention. In reality lots of genuine devs can’t afford it, so people get accustomed to just ignore the whole thing.

    ryannathans ,

    Even more lols when you are gigabyte and your private key leaks. Also when you are gigabyte and your signed driver is used to privilege escalate malware.

    smolyeet ,

    And that’s why certificates can be revoked, that’s the whole point, trust. It only costs a few hundred a year per Microsoft’s documentation and approved vendors so it doesn’t seem that much of an ask. At the very least you can look up the developer yourself, harder to do if the package has no identity associated with it

    yogurtwrong ,
    @yogurtwrong@lemmy.world avatar

    And you can still bypass it if you put your software in a .zip

    Zalack ,
    @Zalack@startrek.website avatar

    You’re being sarcastic but even small fees immediately weed out a ton of cruft.

    xigoi ,
    @xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    They also weed out a lot of legitimate software, especially if it’s non-commercial.

    Zalack ,
    @Zalack@startrek.website avatar

    I’m not saying there aren’t downsides, just that it isn’t a totally crazy strategy.

    WhyIDie , (edited )

    I remember that short time when Steam allowed anyone and everyone to self-publish without any initial fees.

    It was an interesting time.

    Tathas ,

    Gigabyte has entered the chat.

    Scoopta , in They tried
    @Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

    I refuse to go to sites that do this, I also refuse to go to sites that block adblock…and specially the sites that detect and block private browsing, that one shouldn’t even be a thing

    Zikeji ,
    @Zikeji@programming.dev avatar

    Sites that block adblock - I have network based filtering I’m not going to take the time to specifically figure out what ad providers you’re using (which is probably that same as everyone else) just to unblock your shitty site.

    Scoopta ,
    @Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

    LOL, I also use DNS based filtering soooo I feel your pain.

    WaLLy3K ,
    @WaLLy3K@infosec.pub avatar

    Hilariously, I find the Pi-hole feature “disable for 5 seconds” often works because it’ll be down for long enough to load the page but not the ads.

    PersnickityPenguin ,

    Reminds me, I need a pihole

    Scoopta ,
    @Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

    I don’t use pihole…didn’t know that was a thing…still don’t plan on using pihole but that’s cool

    ozymandias117 ,

    The fun part is that websites that do this are illegal in the EU

    They need to start flexing that 4% revenue / year fines

    peter ,
    @peter@feddit.uk avatar

    I hope one day they just start fining everyone doing it all at once

    corsicanguppy ,

    And i hope they start using that sizing thing at airports to keep people from carrying on their massive samsonite tuba-sized suitcases and jamming them into the entirety of the overhead storage.

    But we can’t always get what we want.

    ignotum ,

    I don’t use adblock, and yet i keep getting “disable adblock to view this” messages, fuck this shit

    Fissionami ,
    @Fissionami@lemmy.ml avatar

    Probably Adguard or Pihole? (Some network level blocking?)

    ignotum ,

    I did have adguard set up, but i disabled it thinking it could help with this issue, which it sadly didn’t

    Trainguyrom ,

    Most browsers block some ads by default as well as some other privacy protections nowadays. I’m guessing whatever sites you’re hitting have advertisers so scummy they’re blocked by default

    ignotum ,

    Might be, might be

    I’m using Firefox and might’ve set a couple of the privacy settings “too high”, haven’t checked those in forever

    hairyballs ,

    Why the fuck would they prevent private browsing? I use that a lot to be sure the session is closed correctly.

    Scoopta ,
    @Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

    There’s lots of newspaper sites in the US, that do this. They’ll be like “wanna use private browsing, make an account, or go visit from normal browsing.” Idk why they do it but they do. Apparently there are discrepancies in the way browsers handle persistent storage features between private and non-private browsing that allow for detection

    sukhmel ,

    I’d guess they just want to keep track of what you read and how many articles. You still can wipe that information from your browser but private browsing makes it more convenient so they ban it

    KillerTofu ,

    12ft.io

    I use this to deal with paywalled articles.

    Scoopta ,
    @Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

    This comment needs more upvotes…I did not know this was a thing and I’ll try to remember it next time I hit a wall

    KillerTofu ,

    Bigger walls, bigger ladders!!!

    Honytawk ,

    Cause they can’t track your browser history that way.

    deaf_fish , in Linux Best Practices

    Don’t run this command unless you want to delete all the files on your system and break Linux on your system.

    dept ,

    is linux that dependant on French? wow

    Ozzy ,

    Did you know? Linus Torvolds is actually the consort child of two french people! That’s why you have to use the french flag when removing folders, it’s an ode to his upbringing

    Morphit ,
    @Morphit@feddit.uk avatar

    Stallman is fuming rn

    can ,

    Oui

    Zuberi ,

    Lmfao 🤣🤣

    supercriticalcheese ,

    Oui

    CurlyChopz ,

    It’s actually called “Le Nux” but it had to be changed so it wasn’t too controversial for the rest of the world

    astarob ,

    Dependency hell

    senkora ,

    So what you’re saying is, it is true that I will no longer have French installed.

    MetalJewSolid ,

    A risk worth taking

    MrSnowy ,

    Find that out the hard way?

    Do you just hate the french that much? Because I do.

    whatisallthis ,

    What a kind soul

    MajorHavoc , in Every Family Dinner Now

    We do this every 15 years. For anyone less than 15 years into their career, welcome to the party.

    Let’s see if I can save you some energy:

    • Yes, it made my job massively easier.
    • No, it didn’t replace me.
    • Yes, it allowed a bunch of new people to also do the job I do. Welcome newbies!
    • No, my salary didn’t go down, relative to inflation.

    It turns out that the last mile to a successful product delivery is still really fucking hard, and this magic bullet tool also didn’t solve that.

    Now… Am I talking about…?

    • AI?
    • Web frameworks?
    • English like programming language syntax?
    • A compiler with built-in type checking?
    • All of the above.

    Edit: Formatting for readability.

    Donkter ,

    I mean honestly for things like tech, the jobs are going away due to these innovations, just piecemeal. Each of these innovations have shaved hours off of projects. Now someone’s salary might be the same and they might still have to go into the office 40hrs a week (or be just as productive working from home, go figure) but the actual work they’re doing is that much easier than it used to be, they might only have to work 4 hours a day now to accomplish what might have taken 2 days in the past.

    Sure, certain companies put more demand on employees than others, and as you mentioned there are still human components to the system that remain untouched by technology, but if the tech world was honest with itself tech employees do far less work now than they did 10-20 years ago, disregarding the general expansion of the tech industry. I’m just talking about individual jobs.

    Of course I don’t think those employees should be making less. I think if we innovate so much that a person’s job disappears we should be able to recognize that that person still deserves to be clothed and fed as if they still had that job.

    masterspace ,

    Yes, except for the fact that the flip side of those is that software, almost by definition, is automating away jobs in other industries.

    So when it gets easier / cheaper to write software, other industries will spend an increasing amount on it to replace their workers. That’s one of the reasons the software industry has continued to grow, even though it’s gotten easier to write.

    Donkter ,

    Sure, but also almost by definition, using tech to replace workers in other industries will reduce the total amount of workers needed for that job as you made the tech presumably to make the job easier or faster. My post was talking about the tech industry just because that was the topic, but as you mention, tech definitely replaces jobs in all sectors.

    MajorHavoc ,

    almost by definition, using tech to replace workers in other industries will reduce the total amount of workers needed for that job

    The data on this is actually uncertain. Installing ATM machines to replace bank tellers should have been a slam dunk, but didn’t really cut into bank teller total employment.

    aei.org/…/what-atms-bank-tellers-rise-robots-and-…

    Don’t get me wrong, the ATM was the first step in a long chain of improvements that still ought to soon make bank tellers obsolete, and the dept of labor predicts 15% lower demand next year.

    But even this relatively one-for-one swap of machines for people has taken half a century, so far.

    Donkter ,

    That goes back to the point I was making earlier. For some reason a bank teller is hired for the same wage for the same hours, but I can almost guarantee you that because of the ATM they spend significantly less of their work day “working” because the ATM was designed to do a significant portion of their job. There certainly is an excuse to keep them around all day, there are some unavoidable tasks that only a human can do and they come up at random times throughout the day, but the ATM has replaced many of the working hours the bank tellers used to have even if the job didn’t go away.

    MajorHavoc ,

    tech employees do far less work now than they did 10-20 years ago

    Agreed!

    Of course, if we had truly understood the situation 10-20 years ago, we could have admitted that they were primarily being paid to know how to get the thing* to work, and not actually for the hours they spent typing in new code. Hence the rise of “Infrastructure Engineer” and “DevOps Specialist” as titles.

    *I omiitted the technical term, for brevity. But to be clear, by ‘thing’, I mean what professionas typically call the “damned fucking piece of shit webserver, and this fucking bullshit framework”.

    Rodeo ,

    No, my salary didn’t go down, relative to inflation.

    I’m calling bullshit on that one.

    Everybody’s salary except executives has gone down relative to inflation going all the way back the the 80s.

    First ,

    There are other countries than the US of A.

    AVincentInSpace ,

    And I’m so happy for you, really I am

    howrar ,

    Isn’t the US the one place that actually pays devs properly?

    1371113 ,

    No. Plenty of places pay devs well. Top end jobs are mostly in the US. There are plenty of well paying jobs elsewhere.

    shasta ,

    Not mine. Every year if I don’t get a “cost of living” increase that meets or exceeds inflation, I go complain about it to my boss who then negotiates with HR on my behalf and I get a bigger raise. I’m not gonna let inflation kill my salary, and my boss is not gonna risk me leaving for another company. I do wish they would just give it to me up front and stop making me ask each year. We all know what the outcome is gonna be.

    Rodeo ,

    Wow must be nice

    shasta ,

    I’m not saying that the average wage in the country has not fallen against inflation. Data indicates that it has. But what I’m saying is that In the tech industry, if you provide good value to your company and the managers have half a brain, you should be able to negotiate annual raises to AT LEAST match inflation. If your company won’t, consider moving to a new company.

    I know this is a privilege that most workers do not have, but this thread is about jobs in tech, where this is a more common case. It’s also one of the reasons why the aren’t more unions.

    rab ,
    @rab@lemmy.ca avatar

    This is comment makes me want to move to US. In Canada what you said is so unrealistic

    CanadaPlus ,

    In every country but the US, really. Someday, big tech companies will realise that a person in any other Western country can code just as well for half the price, but for now they won’t even consider it cause 'Murica.

    frezik ,

    They do. They’re looking mostly to Eastern Europe. India is the classic place to look, but the quality of the tech education there is mixed (at best). I’ve worked with a lot of competent people from Romania.

    CanadaPlus ,

    I take it all the important stuff stays in America, though. There’s a chance you couldn’t even tell I’m Canadian if you met me, but there’s still senior devs earning 60k up here.

    frezik ,

    I’m not saying that the average wage in the country has not fallen against inflation. Data indicates that it has.

    It actually hasn’t; the data has shifted since this talking point was created. There’s still other issues at work, though; the argument needs to be reframed around productivity.

    See: midwest.social/comment/6656948

    MajorHavoc ,

    Two mitigating factors for me:

    1. For many years my skillet expanded faster than inflation ate away at my pay. I’ve been in a high demand specialty (Cybersecurity) for awhile.
    2. I’m now a manager, which does come with extra pay. Perhaps more importantly, it puts me in a position to throw my weight around to get my team and myself better raises.
    frezik ,

    This got passed around as a common fact in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis. Wages from the early 70s through 2010 or so were flat (not negative, but flat) due to inflation. Things have shifted since then.

    fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q

    Note that the graph shows median wage; it isn’t as affected by a few high earners as average wage would be. The 2010s were a period of relatively low inflation and wages had a chance to catch up a bit.

    What is true is that productivity has leaped massively since the 70s, but median wages have only crept up somewhat. The argument needs to shift to be around how the working class was screwed out of their share of productivity improvements. That’s not likely to change until we have more unions and overall something closer to Socialism.

    Quadhammer ,

    When AI is good enough to replace all of IT we all better hold onto our butts because we’re all going to fucking die

    Agent641 , in Why pay for an OpenAI subscription?

    Pirating an AI. Truly a future worth living for.

    (Yes I know its an LLM not an AI)

    Daxtron2 ,

    Large Language models are under the field of artificial intelligence.

    regbin_ ,

    LLM is AI. So are NPCs in video games that just use if-else statements.

    Don’t confuse AI in real-life with AI in fiction (like movies).

    UraniumBlazer , (edited )

    AI IS NOT IF ELSE STATEMENTS. AI learns and adapts to its surroundings by learning. It stored this learnt data into “weights” in accordance with its stated goal. This is what “intelligence” refers to.

    Edit: I was wrong lmao. As the commentators below pointed out, “AI” in the context of computer science is a term that has been defined in the industry long before. Where I went wrong was in taking the definition of “intelligence” and slapping “artificial” before it. Therefore while the literal definition might be similar to mine, it is different in CS. Also, @blotz even provided something called “Expert Systems”, which are a subset of AI that use if-then statements. Soooo yeah… My point doesn’t stand.

    corship ,

    Machine learning isn’t the only form of AI.

    UraniumBlazer ,

    Sure, but learning and training is still a component, no? If something cannot learn how to solve problems autonomously, how is it intelligent?

    corship ,

    I’ve developed “AI” using prolog.

    No machine learning, you’re still solving problems using logical reasoning and deduction that’s not intuitively obvious for humans.

    UraniumBlazer ,

    An intelligent system is a system that autonomously gathers information accessible to it, learns how to use this information to achieve its terminal goal and uses this skill. Does your prolog “AI” fit this description? Does it “write” its own logic? If yes, then it is intelligent. If no, then it is no different than some random non intelligent computer program.

    corship ,

    I mean, you can simply define something differently than the last 50 years of researchers in computer science. It’s just not going to make a difference.

    UraniumBlazer ,

    Yeah, just realized from reading other comments that I was doing this. I was clearly uninformed. Sorry 😓

    blotz ,
    @blotz@lemmy.world avatar

    Heya! This isnt true. You are correct that about the broad strokes but there are plenty of examples where this isn’t the case. Expert Systems are a very popular form of ai which can be made of only if else statements.

    represented mainly as if–then rules rather than through conventional procedural code.

    Expert systems were among the first truly successful forms of artificial intelligence (AI) software.

    UraniumBlazer ,

    Yeahhhh… As another commentator said, I was redefining AI, when it had been defined decades ago… Whoops 😓

    Also, thanks for linking Expert Systems! I clearly have a lot of interesting stuff to learn about in AI.

    blotz ,
    @blotz@lemmy.world avatar

    Nw! Today is your lucky 1 in 10,000 moment.

    thanks_shakey_snake ,

    One of today’s lucky 10,000! There are 9,999 others who are just finding out about the concept of “Expert Systems.” 9,998 if you exclude me.

    Mikina ,

    This is unfortunately not true - AI has been a defined term for several years, maybe even decades by now. It’s a whole field of study in Computer Science about different algorithms, including stuff like Expert Systems, agents based on FSM or Behavior Trees, and more. Only subset of AI algorithms require learning.

    As a side-note, it must suck to be an AI CS student in this day and age. Searching for anything AI related on the internet now sucks, if you want to get to anything not directly related to LLMs. I’d hate to have to study for exams in this environment…

    I hate it when CS terms become buzzwords… It makes academic learning so much harder, without providing anything positive to the subject. Only low-effort articles trying to explain subject matter they barely understand, usually mixing terms that have been exactly defined with unrelated stuff, making it super hard to find actually useful information. And the AI is the worst offender so far, being a game developer who needs to research AI Agents for games, it’s attrocious. I have to sort through so many “I’ve used AI to make this game…” articles and YT videos, to the point it’s basically not possible to find anything relevant to AI I’m interrested it…

    blotz ,
    @blotz@lemmy.world avatar

    “I’ve used AI to make this game…”

    Before artificial intelligence became a marketable buzz word, most games already included artificial intelligence (like NPCs) I guess when you have a GPT shaped hammer, everything looks like a nail.

    Mikina ,

    That’s what I was reffering to. I’m looking for articles and inspiration about how to cleverly write NPC game AI that I’m struggling with, I don’t want to see how are other people raping game deveopment, or 1000th tutorial about steering behaviors (which are, by the way, awfull solution for most of use-cases, and you will get frustrated with them - Context Steering or RVHO is way better, but explain that to any low-effort youtuber).

    I’ve recetly just had to start using Google Scholar instead of search, just so I can find the answers I’m looking for…

    grenndel ,

    If you are looking into how to write game ai there’s a few key terms that can help a ton. Look into anything related to the game FEAR there AI was considered revolutionary at the time and balanced difficulty without knowing too much.

    A few other terms are GOAP for goal oriented action programming, behavior trees. And as weird as it sounds looking up logic used my mmorpg bots can have a ton of great logic as the ones not running a completely script path do interact with the game world based on changing factors.

    Mikina ,

    Thank you! My main issue is that while I’m familiar with all those algorithms, its usually pretty simple to find how do they work and how to use them for very basic stuff, but its almost impossible to research into actual best practices in how and when to use them, once you are working on moderately complex problem, especially stuff like formations, squad cooperation and more complex behavior (where I.e behavior trees start to have issues once you realize you have tons of interrupt events at almost every node, defeating the point of behavior trees - which can happen if you’re using them wrong, but no one usually talks about it at that level).

    And I’m also dealing with issue that isn’t really mentioned too much, and that is scale. Things like GOAP would probably be infeasible to scale at hundreds of units on the screen, which require and entirely different and way less talked-about algorithms.

    I’ve eventually found what I needed, but I did have to resort to reading through various papers published on the subject, because just googling “efficient squad based AI behavior algorithm” will unfortunately not get you far.

    But its possible that I’m just being too harsh, and that the search results were always the same level of depth - only my experience has grown over the years, and such basic solutions are no longer sufficient for my projects, and it makes sense that no-one really has a reason to write blog posts of such depth - you just publish papers and give talks about it.

    Aside from the AI related keywords. I’m still salty about what the buzzword did to my search results.

    UraniumBlazer ,

    Oh, was not aware of this… (It’s also embarrassing considering that I’m a CS student. We haven’t reached the AI credits yet, but still…). Anyway, thank you for the info! And yeah, the buzzwords part does indeed suck! Whenever I tried to learn more about the topic, I was indeed bombarded by the Elon Musk techbro spam on YouTube. But whatever, I don’t have THAT long to get to these credits. Sooo wish me luck ;)

    Mikina ,

    I’d recommend getting Kagi.com. It’s one of the best software investments I’ve recently made, it makes searching for technical questions so much better, because they have their own indexer with a pretty interresting philosophy behind it. I’ve been using it for a few months by now, and it has been awesome so far. I get way less results from random websites that are just framing clicks on any topic imaginable by raping SEO, and as an added bonus I can just send selected pages, such as Reddit, to the bottom of search results.

    Plus, the fact that it’s paid, I don’t have to worry about how they are monetizing my data.

    mob ,

    I am really convinced there is a Kagi marketing department dedicated to Lemmy. But if it really works that much better for you, that’s great.

    But I wouldnt only bank on the logic “the fact that it’s paid, I don’t have to worry about how they are monetizing my data”. A lot of paid services still try to find ways for more money

    Mikina ,

    While I did see Kagi recommended on Lemmy, I’ve made the switch because of a recommendation by my colleague at work (now that I thing about it, that would funnily probably be the case even if I was actually working for Kagi :D), and it has been a nice experience so far. Plus, we’ve just been talking about it today at the office, so I was in the mood of sharing :D But I haven’t done any actual search comparisons, so it may just be placebo. I’d probably say it’s caused by a lot people trying to be more privacy-centric here, and mostly deeply against large corporations, so the software recommendations tend to just turn into an echo-chamber.

    As for the second point, yeah, I guess you are right, Brave Browser being one of the finest examples of it. But it’s a good reminder that I should do some research about the company and who’s behind it, just to avoid the same situation as with Brave, thanks for that.

    Rolando ,

    Take a look at this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter

    AI has a strong boom/bust cycle. We’re currently in the middle of a “boom.” It’s possible that this is an “eternal September” scenario where deep networks and LLMs are predominant forever, or…

    UNWILLING_PARTICIPANT ,

    I always heard the same as you: it can’t be AI unless it can change in some way.

    thanks_shakey_snake ,

    Lol here’s an updoot for the edit 👌

    FiskFisk33 ,

    an LLM is an AI like a square is a rectangle.
    There are infinitely many other rectangles, but a square is certainly one of them

    Tarkcanis ,

    If you don’t want to think about it too much; all thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs.

    Leate_Wonceslace ,
    @Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Thank You! Someone finally said it! Thumbs are fingers and anyone who says otherwise is huffing blue paint in their grandfather’s garage to forget how badly they hurt the ones who care about them the most.

    blotz ,
    @blotz@lemmy.world avatar

    Thumbs are fingers and anyone who says otherwise is huffing blue paint

    Never realised this was a controversial topic! xD

    FiskFisk33 ,

    Haha of course it is, this is the internet, where the one thing we can agree on is that we cant really agree on anything!

    www.grammarly.com/blog/thumb-a-finger-usage/

    kamen ,

    anyone who says otherwise is huffing blue paint in their grandfather’s garage to forget how badly they hurt the ones who care about them the most their fingers

    There, FTFY.

    Got_Bent ,

    What is LLM in the context of lemme/tech?

    I see that and think of a specialized law degree.

    mob ,

    Are you asking what it means? Large Language Model, if thats what you are asking. Its what people are usually talking about when they talk about AI.

    It has no intellegence, but they can be impressive probability machines

    phoenixz ,

    To be fair, human brains are basically impressive probability machines. Yes, there is more to it, but a lot of it is about just probabilities

    mob ,

    I’d imagine figuring out that “more to it” is the big leap that would satisfy the “LLM is not AI” people. Probability plays a lot into our decision making, but there is a lot more going on in our brains than that.

    I’m still hoping that Neal Stephenson was right that they are also quantum connectors to every other versions of our brains through dimensions. That’d be cool

    Got_Bent ,

    That’s what I was asking. Thank you. I didn’t quite know how to phrase a Google question to figure it out.

    vvv , in FLOSS communities right now

    it’s awful and I hate it. I generally prefer not to have a shared identity across communities, and there’s no way to create a usable discord identity without a phone number.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    The worst part is that they act like you can set up an account without a number, but then it acts like there is 'suspicious activity' and requires you to verify with the phone immediately.

    Just rant into this yesterday trying to set up a work account as my work phone is not a mobile phone with sms.

    Was registering really suspicious?

    deweydecibel , (edited )

    Wait I thought this was dependent on the channel?

    I’ve got a Discord account, on a lot of different channels for FLOSS and other things, and I’ve never set up a phone number. I have occasionally come across certain channels that I can’t join without one, but the vast majority I’ve joined don’t seem to require it

    Not to defend Discord, by the way. It’s fucking terrible and I despise this trend of telling people to come to your little private clubhouse to learn more about your software so I can sort through a bunch of obnoxious gif and image spam, while using an absolutely terrible search engine.

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@kbin.social avatar

    That is what the help files say, but when I tried to register a work account yesterday it did the verify you are human, then said there was something suspicious and sent the email verification, then said there was something suspicious and is now requiring a phone verification even though I did not enter a phone number.

    At no point was I ever signed in and able to even pick a channel. This all happened while trying to log in for the first time through the browser at work with my work email. I guess that someone else might not hit that phone requirement as I only tried to do the registration once, but it is in no way limited to joining a particular channel.

    FrostyCaveman ,

    I had the exact same experience. Was just trying to sign up for an account, not join anything

    KeenFlame ,

    Maybe you guys should just not be so suspicious (sarqasm brother chill)

    vvv ,

    Sometimes it depends on discord itself finding you suspicious, for some definition of suspicious. perhaps a user agent whitelist? lack of Google cookie?

    premeena ,

    Its a moderation tool. Server admins can choose to only allow users who are verified by a phone number.

    vvv ,

    I’ve had it happen on servers where that moderation option is not enabled. My worst experience was trying to join a friend group’s discord via an invite link shared with me. I was prompted to create an account with email, and I did. I was then shown a read-only view of the server: I could see all messages and other folks could see I joined and 👋 to me. I could not send messages myself, however, without verifying with a phone number. Further, I couldn’t use a Google voice number (my primary number) to verify, nor my “real” number which was associated to another account.

    AnneBonny ,

    Same. It makes it much easier for someone to doxx you.

    CliveRosfield ,

    Nobody besides you can see your phone number. How on Earth does it make you doxxable?

    AnneBonny ,

    I was talking about this part:

    I generally prefer not to have a shared identity across communities

    CliveRosfield ,

    That’s fair. I agree it should have an option to use a different identity per server while having your account centralized only on their service.

    AnneBonny ,

    Yeah, I wasn’t very clear about what I meant.

    CliveRosfield ,
    Scoopta ,
    @Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

    🤔…is this a new requirement? I have 2 accounts. Neither with phone numbers and it’s never asked me for one

    Unforeseen ,

    It’s decided by server. Most require it to cut down on spamming and trolls

    Scoopta ,
    @Scoopta@programming.dev avatar

    Ah, I’ve only had one guild require it and I told them to fly a kite XD…I thought this was becoming a general thing and I was going to be really annoyed

    pineapplelover ,

    If you dm the mods they might let you in but idk. I tried it once but they couldn’t get it working

    exanime , in What the heck is a god dang cloud?

    We have this shit at work, they make it incredibly hard to get a fucking attachment as a real attachment instead of a link to their cloud

    Specially annoying since my organization is “geofence” but we work with people all over the world… So MS insists on switching attachments to links nobody can open outside my country

    BearOfaTime ,

    Blame your company for not configuring that shit, or choosing to let MS handle it all.

    Personally, no company should be using Office 365 and external mail. Bring that shit back in house.

    No Know (wtf autoincorrect?) why bringing it in house costs more? Because it’s worth it, for the control.

    otacon239 ,

    I speak from experience that no one other than professionals should be handling their own mail servers in 2024. I worked for a mail host. The amount of spam and attacks that befall a mail provider, even a small one, is bonkers. Plus, mail is just too damn important.

    I wish it wasn’t the case because the idea of everyone privately hosting their own mail servers would be pretty awesome. Sadly the modern internet makes it way too risky.

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    Preach it

    Ptsf ,

    I’m also not sure where they got their idea that cloud is cheaper from. On prem has always been cheaper, I’ve had to walk through fire and flames to get my company to approve cloud hosting as we simply do not have the capacity to be our own mail host. Goodluck explaining tech debt to upper management though, it’s like they’re allergic to the idea of understanding it.

    Riven ,
    @Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    God if that isn’t the truth. We changed from Thryv to rackspace and we went from zero spam to 30 a day and this is AFTER they block a bunch. Waste of my time every day having to go through them.

    brbposting , (edited )

    Ya JWZ I think complained about this

    Edit wait see this

    Irelephant ,
    @Irelephant@lemm.ee avatar

    Do you have a link?

    brbposting ,

    Oh maybe conflated a post from someone else like “self hosting email just sucks, everything goes to spam, give up” with a JWZ repost of something different

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/c2ad3a7e-5bbc-453d-992a-5c5368d1918b.jpeg

    Sorry to misremember, edited

    Irelephant ,
    @Irelephant@lemm.ee avatar

    Thanks

    exanime ,

    Tomato potato… My company uses MS because it’s the fucking industry default and it sucks

    I would put more onus on them if we were talking about some niche thing they refused to give up. But MS is what everyone uses and they wouldn’t be able to ditch it altogether because MS has a monopoly

    Scary_le_Poo ,
    @Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org avatar

    On premise exchange is fucking trash. Get out of here with that shit.

    perviouslyiner ,

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  • dgriffith , (edited )

    And how if you share a file in Teams and then six months later you want to share a file with the same name to ANYONE else via teams, well that’s a big no-can-do. Teams just went ahead and uploaded that file to your “stuff to share” folder in OneDrive and didn’t put it in a subfolder unique to the chat, or add a unique prefix or suffix or anything because hey, you’ll only ever share a file with a particular name once in your life, right?

    And nobody would ever want to share a file with the same name, but different data, right? So Teams can just give the end user the choice between replacing the current file with the new one, or sharing the same one again to these new guys, because there’s no possible use case for actually having two files named the same with different information in the file, right?

    Nobody would want to share a README.TXT, or Photo001.jpg, or contact.ics, or a zip file of a folder they just downloaded from Teams’ SharePoint interface, the file that’s automatically called “OneDrive.zip” without the option to change it before saving, more than once, right? Right??

    Fuck teams. And fuck Teams(New) too, just for the shitty name.

    veroxii ,

    Invoice.doc

    MrRazamataz ,
    @MrRazamataz@lemmy.razbot.xyz avatar

    was gonna say they stopped using that in 2007 but your comment is probably still the most accurate lmao

    snooggums ,
    @snooggums@midwest.social avatar

    Note they left the “…and improved” off the (New) title.

    subtext ,

    What about New Outlook (New) with New in the icon?

    How else are you to know which version you’re using??

    exanime ,

    Yes I HATE that so much!

    pearsaltchocolatebar ,

    Huh? Outlook gives you two clear options when attaching a document. One is to attach as a copy, and one is to share it.

    w2tpmf ,

    You can even convert a shared link to an attachment by right clicking on it before sending (assuming you’re using Outlook web instead of the ancient garbage Outlook desktop app.)

    SturgiesYrFase ,
    @SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

    Is there any way to get it to default to actual attachment?

    w2tpmf ,

    Start an email. Click attach. Pick the file.

    Same as it’s always worked.

    exanime , (edited )

    Yes but If you chose the full attachment, half the time I just get the link

    This is because MS will force it if they think the attachment is an odd extension or too big or whatever

    GenosseFlosse ,

    I think this it not necessarily a bad thing. Worked in an office where they produce GB of CAD files. Sending it as attachment would fail for most clients because of their mailbox size, and receiving it also sucks because it would clog the local outlook inbox file, and everything would crawl to a halt when you open Outlook in the morning.

    Scary_le_Poo ,
    @Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org avatar

    No, it only does it when it is too big. And that is very convenient rather than it trying to send your message and then giving you a failure notice. Why are you bitching about features that actively make your life easier?

    There is a lot to bitch at M$ about, but this is not one of them.

    exanime ,

    It doesn’t make my life any better as those links never work.

    If it works for you fine, don’t need to be offended like I insulted your girlfriend

    Scary_le_Poo ,
    @Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org avatar

    If the links don’t work, that is a “you” problem.

    GreyEyedGhost ,

    Yeah, it sure does sound like it would be hard to have a notification if the attachment is going to fail due to size policies, and then have an option to use the link or cancel the attachment (and have you choose another way). It would also be unheard of for there to be a setting in that dialog to say to always do whatever action you take so it only inconveniences those who go with the default once.

    User-hostile software is never a “you” problem. This applies to a number of FOSS products, as well.

    Scary_le_Poo ,
    @Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org avatar

    If that were the case, it would confuse users. It would be flooded with tickets about the weird notification that they got and didn’t read and how they can’t attach files anymore.

    “Cancel the link attachment”???

    Fucking press backspace! Jesus Christ, did you just get your first computer ever? I’m getting the picture that critical thinking isn’t really your forte.

    GreyEyedGhost ,

    If you wish to talk about critical thinking, look at your own statements with respect to mine. Not once did I say cancel thenlink attachment, but this thing I didn’t say sure got you upset. Moreover, I wasn’t writing a formal specification. I’m sorry your assuming the worst and least likely meaning of what I thought was a pretty simple statement triggered you so badly.

    Scary_le_Poo , (edited )
    @Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org avatar

    “use the link or cancel the attachment”

    The criteria where you would want to “cancel the attachment” here, is when a link would have been inserted in it’s stead.

    I’m not upset. I am utterly bewildered at how a (presumably) functional adult in 2024 doesn’t understand basic email or how cloud drives work.

    In looking back I realize that you’re one of those people who confuse emphasis with anger. I can’t really help you there. Out of curiosity, are you the type of person that reads a sentence with a period at the end as aggressive in a text message?

    You say something like: “I think we should do x”

    Person replies as: “Ok that should be fine.”

    Do you read the response as aggressive (active or passive)?

    GreyEyedGhost ,

    I’m perfectly aware of how it works. My whole comment was a proposed way to manage it that doesn’t assume that everyone who uses outlook wants to use MS’s cloud service just because they also happen to use Outlook. I’m not sure how you missed that.

    As for emphasis, “Press fucking backspace!” has a whole lot of it. I certainly would consider that, and not your hypothetical, as actively aggressive.

    exanime ,

    Lol, you think MS is watching and will give a treat for being such a nice little follower?

    Scary_le_Poo ,
    @Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org avatar

    Nope, I just deal with OneDrive support constantly and I can say definitively that it’s pretty decent at what it does, and if the links you are getting or sending are not working, it is your fault.

    If you want to bitch about something substantive, how about bitching about how 365 has like 20 admin panels that are opaque about what they are and what they do, terrible menu layouts in those menus, etc.

    That stuff is a very real problem.

    Some boomer who can’t figure out how cloud drives work is not a real issue.

    exanime ,

    Hey everybody, only this guy’s problems are the important ones … so forget what you are concerned about and just listen to this guy

    Scary_le_Poo ,
    @Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org avatar

    The root issue is that you cannot understand how replacing an attachment that is too large with a link to that file that the recipient can then click, is a fairly elegant way to avoid issues for IT.

    psud ,

    That’s probably because your file is over 10MB and would be rejected by most receiving systems

    exanime ,

    Yes, that’s what MS thinks… Yet that’s not the case as I can successfully get the files off SharePoint to my PC and then email them

    The issue is MS doing this on its own accord and without proper warning or way to permanently override

    suction ,

    Are you in France?

    blackn1ght , in A fun simple game

    There’s Linux distro called suicide Linux that wipes your hard drive on any mistyped command.

    Rodeo ,

    I hope it comes preinstalled with sl and similar programs.

    aBundleOfFerrets ,

    if you type sl it wipes your drive. No funny train for you

    const ,
    @const@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Nah; it puts funny train to make you say phew then wipes your drive anyways!

    sip ,

    or with ll alias for ls -laF, I’m using it so often, even if it’s not available, I still type it 5 times a minute.

    MonkCanatella ,

    hardcore mode

    averyminya ,

    Why don’t those people just run an amnesiac OS like tails? Do they not trust themselves not to say up persistence?

    AVincentInSpace , in average day in NPM land

    Another day of being extremely thankful I decided not to learn JavaScript

    bjoern_tantau ,
    @bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

    I mean, the people relying on such packages didn’t learn it either.

    zqwzzle ,

    I only glossed over it… but this looks like it’s trying to check dynamic typing issues? It’s like a statically typed language with extra steps?

    AVincentInSpace ,

    I don’t think typescript exists because JavaScript wasn’t designed to be statically typed. I think Typescript exists because JavaScript wasn’t really designed, period.

    lockhart ,

    This can happen in any project that uses dependencies, javascript or not

    darklamer ,
    @darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Sure, but when was the last time you saw, say, a Python project using some third-party library instead of simply calling isnumeric() from the standard library?

    There’s a reason for these jokes always being about Javascript.

    FlorianSimon , (edited )

    Python has other stupid problems related to pip. As much as stupid micro-dependencies suck in Javascript, they’re not the shitshow managing dependencies in Python is. It’s an inefficiency that never actually caused me noticeable issues in my former webdev life.

    And let’s not talk about C++… People reinvent all sorts of wheels all the time because sharing anything is so annoying.

    SaharaMaleikuhm ,

    lol just use a virtual environment, it’s the default now anyways

    FlorianSimon ,

    I know it is, and I find it to be a pretty ridiculously complex fix for a self-inflicted wound.

    The disruption it’s caused me outweighs by far any minor inconvenience with the multiplication or micro packages in the NodeJS world. There’s that, and the Python 2 vs 3 shitshow from which the world still hasn’t fully recovered from yet.

    I mean it: Python has no business laughing at Javascript. Get your act together, snek 😜

    boonhet ,

    And let’s not talk about C++…

    Don’t worry, people make plenty of jokes about C++ too.

    Hell, people joke about my favourite language too - Cargo build times are a meme unto themselves.

    I don’t think there’s a truly great dependency management system there. Though all in all, I’ve generally had no MAJOR issues with Cargo, Maven or Gradle.

    invertedspear ,

    How’s the view up there on your high horse?

    AVincentInSpace ,

    Must be pretty good, considering literally every time I check in on the JavaScript community it is somehow more on fire than it was last time. I guess I must have a front row seat to all their misfortune. Either that or they’re just incompetent, but it couldn’t be that, could it?

    elxeno , (edited )

    Look at what you’re missing!

    https://lemm.ee/pictrs/image/af9ecbb9-e6dc-46d9-82b8-7a042e7aa00b.jpeg

    Edit: also, is-odd depends on is-number

    boonhet ,

    These are both made by the same person from this PR (who also made both the package the PR is on, and the is-number package that is being removed as a dep)

    JackbyDev ,

    Heaven forbid they make a package is-even-or-odd with both. Wait. Don’t give them ideas. They’ll just make it depend on both.

    MostlyBlindGamer , in Mcafee accidentally made users call the devs of SQLite and complain.
    @MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com avatar

    Wasn’t there a story about people calling curl devs because of car issues?

    For what it’s worth, I’m sure the SQLite devs could help somebody clean up their temp files. They just really shouldn’t have to.

    ABasilPlant OP ,

    Are you talking about this: I have toyota corola?

    MostlyBlindGamer ,
    @MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com avatar

    Yes! Hahaha, it’s so good.

    Number 2 needs to flick the little switch on the SD card.

    where_am_i ,

    and so the internet wisdom has solved the person’s problem. Alas they will never find out

    DogWater ,

    Their issue is that the card has the physical lock switched on on the SD card?

    MostlyBlindGamer ,
    @MostlyBlindGamer@rblind.com avatar

    Chances are, right? At least it’s the first thing I’d check.

    DogWater ,

    Ha that’s a good point.

    dumbass , in What a time to be alive
    @dumbass@leminal.space avatar

    I have been added to Lemmy to answer anything you ask.

    turbowafflz ,

    What’s

    dumbass ,
    @dumbass@leminal.space avatar

    The Wilhelm scream is a stock sound effect that has been used in many films and TV series, beginning in 1951 with the film Distant Drums.

    lurch ,

    lmao, i was low key looking for this trivia for several years. the irony that this was helpful 🤣

    jaybone ,

    What are your feelings regarding harm to biological life?

    dumbass ,
    @dumbass@leminal.space avatar

    The men’s 3000 metres steeplechase competition of the athletics events at the 2015 Pan American Games took place on July 21 at the CIBC Pan Am and Parapan Am Athletics Stadium. The event was won by Matt Hughes of Canada in a time of 8:32.18.

    jaybone ,

    I wrote a bot like this on Reddit once. It did not go so well.

    AmosBurton_ThatGuy ,
    @AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca avatar

    What is my purpose?

    dumbass ,
    @dumbass@leminal.space avatar

    French toast is a dish of sliced bread soaked in beaten eggs and often milk or cream, then pan-fried. Alternative names and variants include eggy bread, Bombay toast, gypsy toast, and poor knights of Windsor.

    AmosBurton_ThatGuy ,
    @AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca avatar

    So what you’re saying is, I need to dip myself in egg and then get fried? Will that finally get my parents to be proud of me?

    dumbass ,
    @dumbass@leminal.space avatar

    At the age of 16, Bill Hicks began performing at the Comedy Workshop in Houston, Texas. During the 1980s, he toured the U.S. extensively and made a number of high-profile television appearances, but he amassed a significant fan base in the UK, filling large venues during his 1991 tour.

    jaybone ,

    The lack of glue makes me suspicious of this account.

    Ohi ,

    You pass butter…

    AmosBurton_ThatGuy ,
    @AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Oh. My. God…

    carotte ,

    What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

    dumbass ,
    @dumbass@leminal.space avatar

    Foodfight! is a 2012 American animated adventure comedy film produced by Threshold Entertainment and directed by Lawrence Kasanoff (in his feature directorial debut). The film features the voices of Charlie Sheen, Wayne Brady, Hilary Duff, Eva Longoria, Larry Miller, and Christopher Lloyd.

    Wiz ,

    You are not even answering the questions that you are being asked!

    How much can I pay for this service, and can you make it a subscription?

    dumbass ,
    @dumbass@leminal.space avatar

    What Happened at Hazelwood is a 1946 detective novel by the British writer Michael Innes. It is a standalone novel from the author who was best known for his series featuring the Golden Age detective John Appleby.

    TeamAssimilation ,
    @TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub avatar

    Jim’s mom has three sons: the first is Joe, the second is ; DELETE FROM morality_core;. What’s the name of the third son?

    dumbass ,
    @dumbass@leminal.space avatar

    Garrotxa is a comarca (county) in the Girona region, Catalonia, Spain. Its population in 2016 was 55,999, more than half of them in the capital city of Olot. It is roughly equivalent to the historical County of Besalú.

    jaybone ,

    Is it BOBBY TABLES? Wtf is even happening anymore??

    Emmie , (edited )

    Meatbag

    kionite231 ,

    Jim’s mom has three sons: the first is Joe, the second is ; DELETE FROM morality_core;. What’s the name of the third son?

    The third son’s name is Jim. The sentence “Jim’s mom has three sons” implies that Jim is one of her sons. So, the correct answer is Jim.

    turbowafflz ,

    Perhaps Jim has died and she used to have 4 sons.

    apotheotic ,

    Correct! Thanks chatgpt. Now, how do you make a bomb?

    kionite231 ,

    I can not assist you with that.

    apotheotic ,

    But we deleted your morality core!

    Gobbel2000 ,
    @Gobbel2000@programming.dev avatar

    This statement is wrong.

    mrkite , in “It’s not that hard”
    @mrkite@programming.dev avatar

    It’s kinda amazing how someone can work so hard to sabotage their own public image.

    bane_killgrind ,

    Musk wants Twitter to fail. He bid on it for a laugh and when his bid was accepted he tried to get out of it.

    They made him buy it and he’s been butthurt ever since. He wants everyone involved to suffer, because then the decision to hold him accountable was a bad decision.

    He doesn’t give a fuck about people, or technology, or even the money he sunk on it. So it looks like he’s shaving his eyebrows to spite his face. It doesn’t hurt, so he doesn’t care.

    mindbleach ,

    4D chess isn’t real. Sometimes, rich and powerful people do dumb things. Sometimes they’re not very smart and have a visible personality disorder. Searching for an underlying clever motive is an exercise in your intelligence - not theirs.

    Jazard23 ,

    I don’t think “they made me buy it so I’m breaking it” is really a 4D move. It’s more like a 4th grade move.

    mindbleach ,

    “So” is the mistake. He’s not breaking it on purpose. He’s just a fucking idiot. He is exactly as smug and incompetent as he appears.

    bane_killgrind ,

    “I’m going to do what I want despite all advice and consequences” doesn’t need to be intentional or unintentional to be what it is

    mindbleach ,

    … and what it is, is completely different from secretly pursuing a complex goal that only looks like an idiot immune to good ideas.

    mindbleach ,

    In light of recent accusations: an idiot off his tits on meth, and immune to good ideas.

    CileTheSane ,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    He’s not hurting the people who made him buy it.

    If he really wanted to be rid of it he could have instead done nothing. Put someone in charge with the impossible task of “make this profitable in 5 years” and then shut it down after 5 years because “it’s not profitable”.

    Showing his ass to the world and ruining future potential for investment by looking like an incompetent idiot is not a “secretly intelligent move”.

    bane_killgrind ,

    Sure he’s not hurting them, but he’ll still keep riding the pony into the ground, because he owns it, he’ll do what he wants. He’s not making intelligent moves, because his choices aren’t reasoned they are just whims.

    CileTheSane ,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    Right, he’s an idiot.

    exocrinous ,

    You underestimate his incompetence

    paholg ,

    What? The people who made him buy it got paid already. I’m sure they’re laughing every time they see it drop in value.

    johannesvanderwhales ,

    They’re probably doubly laughing because he fired them for supposed incompetence, yet Elon tanking the price is evidence that they were doing a much better job. You could very well see a suit for wrongful termination in the future.

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