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Annoyed_Crabby , in They did not reply.

What, never been to Property City, Area? It’s the best place in Country.

Klear ,

I haven’t been there since year.

tiramichu ,

You, SubjectNameHere, must be the pride of SubjectHometownHere

ggppjj ,

The Device is now more valuable than the organs and combined incomes of everyone in SubjectHometownHere.

Instigate ,

While I loved PropertyCity while I lived there, my early years in RuralTown showed that’s where the real Country really is. We had a herd of FarmAnimals and would always go down to the WaterBody on the weekends where the LargeMammals roamed free and wild!

Quacksalber ,

And here I thought it was something like Second Life, a virtual world where you can ‘own’ property.

dan , (edited ) in JavaScript
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Use TypeScript, and nonsensical things like adding arrays to objects will be compile-time errors.

CanadaPlus ,

Yup. The libraries underneath will still allow nonsense at runtime, though, and it will now be harder to see, so it’s a partial solution as done in standard practice.

An all-TypeScript stack, if you could pull it off, would be the way to go.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Most libraries have TypeScript types these days, either bundled directly with the library (common with newer libraries), or as part of the DefinitelyTyped project.

CanadaPlus ,

DefinitelyTyped is the exact kind of thing I’m talking about. You put TypeScript definitions over things, but under the hood it’s still JavaScript and can fail in JavaScript ways.

intensely_human ,

It can’t fail in javascript ways that require specific sequences of code to be written, if those sequences of code aren’t in the range of output of the Typescript compiler.

Cethin ,

So a strictly typed language… I think those already exist.

thevoidzero ,

If there was an easy way to use rust or something on webassemly and use that instead of JS. I’d be so happy, but I can’t find how to do it without npm.

ObstreperousCanadian ,
@ObstreperousCanadian@lemmy.ca avatar

It’s in alpha, but there is a Kotlin to wasm compiler in the works.

MaggiWuerze ,

Does WASM do DOM manipulation nowadays?

intensely_human ,

Just use javascript and don’t try to add {} to [].

CanadaPlus ,

Well, you never try to.

ObstreperousCanadian ,
@ObstreperousCanadian@lemmy.ca avatar

Doesn’t look like it, unfortunately. But it’s planned. Kotlin can also compile to JavaScript with DOM manipulation. I’ve not tried either scenario, myself.

MaggiWuerze ,

I can’t wait for the day I can use something like Kotlin to write Frontend code. Maybe there’ll be something like vue or react build on it

rooroo ,

You could use Java ages ago and it was, very rightly so, abandoned.

MaggiWuerze ,

You meanbJavaFX? Yeah the web version of it never was great

rooroo ,

Even worse, I’m old enough to have used GWT at some point.

MaggiWuerze ,

shudder

CanadaPlus ,

Kotlin -> JavaScript would work. I assume there must be a Python version of that as well.

Ephera ,

We use this framework at work: leptos.dev

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Rust would probably be the wrong tool here. This is scripting, so pointers like Rust is built around aren’t really meaningful. Kotlin or Python or something are more on the ticket.

anton ,

Websites have grown beyond mere scripting.
Rust is about more than just nicer pointers, it has a very expressive type system that enables correctness rarely seen outside FP.

CanadaPlus ,

Websites have grown beyond mere scripting.

Parts of them, yeah. WASM in Rust makes total sense.

Rust is about more than just nicer pointers, it has a very expressive type system that enables correctness rarely seen outside FP.

If you say so. I’d suggest Haskell, but it doesn’t work very naturally with interactivity, either user or intersystem.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

You can use WebAssembly today, but you still need some JS interop for a bunch of browser features (like DOM manipulation). Your core logic can be in WebAssembly though. C# has Blazor, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some Rust WebAssembly projects. I seem to recall that there’s a reimplementation of Flash player that’s built in Rust and compiles to WebAssembly.

CanadaPlus ,

Yeah, ideally TypeScript would be natively supported. Or maybe just Python, which is sort-of strictly typed, and definitely won’t do “wat”. Alas, it’s not the world we live in, and browsers take JavaScript.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Python supports type hints, but you need to use a type checker like Pyre or Pyright to actually check them. Python itself doesn’t do anything with the type hints.

bleistift2 ,

The libraries underneath will still allow nonsense at runtime

Only if you use a badly written library. Most libraries have types provided by DefinitelyTyped. Those who don’t are (in my experience) so tiny that you probably aren’t using them; or, if you really wanted, can check yourself.

In the end, if you encounter a bug, it’ still 99% of the time not a library’s fault, even if it’s written in plain JS.

CanadaPlus , (edited )

Like I said to the other person, those are just types over top of JavaScript that can still fail if/when coercion happens under the hood.

I don’t even know how to search it now, but a specific example came up on here of a time when JavaScript libraries will cause problems, and problems you can’t even see very well if you’re expecting it to act strictly-typed.

Schadrach ,

By that logic what we really need is a modernization of Ada, where there are no compiler warnings and anything that would generate one in another language is instead a compiler error, everything is strongly typed, etc, etc.

If you aren’t familiar with Ada, just imagine Pascal went to military school.

dejected_warp_core ,

Pascal went to military school.

I’m not in love with the idea, but a language that cuts out the BS has a sudden appeal when on a group/team project.

Schadrach ,

That analogy was chosen for a reason. Ada was originally developed by DOD committee and a French programming team to be a programming language for Defense projects between 1977 and 1983 that they were still using at least into the early 2000s. It’s based on Pascal.

It was intended for applications where reliability was the highest priority (above things like performance or ease of use) and one of the consequences of that is that there are no warnings - only compiler errors, and a lot of common bad practices that will be allowed to fly or maybe at worst generate a warning in other languages will themselves generate compiler errors. Do it right or don’t bother trying. No implicit typecasting, even something like 1 + 0.5 where it’s obvious what is intended is a compiler error because you are trying to add an integer to a real without explicitly converting either - you’re in extremely strongly-typed country here.

Libraries are split across two files, one is essentially the interfaces for the library and the other is it’s implementation (not that weird, and not that different than C/C++ header files though the code looks closer to Pascal interface and implementation sections put in separate files). The intent at the time being that different teams or different subcontractors might be building each module and by establishing a fixed interface up front and spelling out in great detail in documentation what each piece of that interface is supposed to do the actual implementation could be done separately and hypothetically have a predictable result.

pro3757 , in COMEFROM

It’s in Intercal, a joke language from '70s. Mark Rendle describes it here in his talk at NDC. This whole talk is ridiculous btw.

frezik ,

This is the same language where you have to say PLEASE sometimes or it won’t compile. But if you say PLEASE too much, the compiler will think you’re pandering and also refuse to compile. The range between too polite and not polite enough is not specified and varies by implementation.

Whelks_chance ,

I love how arbitrary, cultural and opinionated that must be to work with. You’d learn something about the implimenter of the compiler by using it for a while.

c0smokram3r ,
@c0smokram3r@midwest.social avatar

This is hilarious!

li10 , in The falsehoods of a senior developer

I’m not in software development, but this is how the entire company I work for operates.

We’re just kinda going forward with no clear direction, keeping stuff ticking over and constantly coming up with future plans that never come to fruition.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

This is how all enterprise companies I worked for operates too. Only when I joined a smaller company with 80 people I realized that it can be really fun to work. We get a lot of stuff done and hardly any meetings. Really enjoying it.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

This is how the world is. No one is really an expert. No one really has the answer.

shneancy ,

and we all look up to the people who look like they know what they’re doing (they don’t but they are very convincing at looking like they do)

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

In their defense, if they don’t pretend like they know what they’re doing everything would fall apart.

keefshape ,

Oof. Painful truf.

Immersive_Matthew ,

For some people. Yes.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

For you, yes.

Immersive_Matthew ,

Projecting?

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Illusory superiority?

Immersive_Matthew ,

I found your cat hiding in the closet so clearly passed your test.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

You only found one?

noobface , (edited )
@noobface@lemmy.world avatar

There are answers, they just take a level of experience to reach that most people aren’t cut out for. You gotta be several principal+ IC roles or Dir+ mgr roles in before the patterns congeal into a plan.

Challenge is operating at those levels for extended periods requires a super fucking insane level of competency and dedication. Most people hit that spot and coast till retirement cause you’re at $500k+ at FAANG. Few keep looking for new opportunities unless forced to or they’re those corporate robot sharks with the dead eyes.

parachaye ,
@parachaye@lemmy.world avatar

There are people who are knowledgeable and good at their job. Knowledgeable enough to be experts. Those are usually subject matter experts, including developers.

The issue is that no one can guarantee an outcome or that they’ve picked the right approach.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

And if they didn’t pick the right approach, they aren’t an expert.

hex_m_hell ,

But this is really more a product of capitalism than anything else. Under capitalism you just have to keep moving even if you’re just making garbage and debt. There’s no reason to stop and think, because that is seen as a cost (even though it costs more to move without thinking).

Even the best companies that do factor in planning (at least in concept if not actually in practice most of the time) end up with the other problem of “resume driven development” where things that are totally fine and actually working get replaced with things that don’t work because someone needs a new project to get their promotion.

Capitalism produces garbage and puts the people who are least qualified in decision making roles. This still happens in natural systems, but much less. In (healthy) anticapitalist organizing, the people who know the most are generally asked to lead and when they don’t know what to do they stop and figure it out before moving forward.

Aimless wondering can still be a problem, but it’s not forced by the system to continue it’s just people who are learning.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

people who are learning.

That’s the problem. The majority of them don’t learn, and really fuck shit up for the ones trying to.

rickyrigatoni ,

I’m an expert and I have all the answers.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Obviously anyone named Ricky Rigatoni is gonna have all the answers. If you say he doesn’t, he’s gonna snap you like dry pasta.

zerofk , in If Architects had to work like Programmers

“This button turns on the light in the hallway. Sometimes it brings the whole house down on you, but we haven’t found a way to reliably reproduce this. If that happens just crawl from under the rubble, rebuild the house, and try again. This time the light should turn on.“

“Oh, and send us the log messages.”

FrankTheHealer , in FLOSS communities right now

Fuck Discord when it’s used in lieu of a forum, documentation or proper support channels.

Appoxo ,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Well…Forums need to be maintained. Discord is free and easy and fast to use.
Discord should allow the servers to be browsable. But you can only participate by logging in.

Doesnt Disqus handle it like that as well? Same account on every website utilizing disqus?

KillingTimeItself ,

part of the problem is that discord as a platform for this, is like using NAT to make ipv4 work in the modern era. It’s just annoying.

Discord even if it allowed public scraping would be a nightmare, because it’s search function is practically helpless. Good luck finding a solution as well, that may or may not exist, and that question/answer has probably been brought up numerous times. There is probably specific context around it that we’re missing unless we decide to role play as a historian.

Not to mention, it’s a third layer of abstraction on top of something that should just be accessible.

I mean sure forums need maintenance, So do discords though, Hardware hosting is barely a problem. Basically anything and any internet connection can host a forum, cloudflare will probably sell it to you for pennies on the dollar even. (though i dont like cloudflare myself)

Magnetar ,

easy and fast to use.

It just isn’t, if you don’t already have an account with them. And even then, I personally find ich horrible to use.

Anders429 ,

Honestly, you ever tried to look back through a long thread on Discord? It’s impossible. If you want to read the original message that started the thread, good luck, you’ll be scrolling all day and may never get there. How anyone can claim that’s “easy to use” is beyond me.

Discord works for quick discussions happening right now, and that’s it.

Kiloee ,

Discord needs to be maintained too. The way rights for users are handled is confusing, even when you’re used to handling such.

And it isn’t fast to use. You have to register, you need the app which does not function well, it uses a lot of system resources, the list goes on.

Appoxo ,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Web admin ≠ Discord Admin

If someone at an IT company put down web admin for a moderate forum of ~500 users of which a 100 are weekly active users, serving a small CDN distributed over America and Europe (because side project not because logical), I’d be impressed a hundred fold over a Discord admin.
At best you’d be very good community manager/admin if you maintained and kept the server clean of a >1000 user server of which 500 are participating daily. At worst the interviewers would ask you why you’d maintain a kids voice channel.

Also putting out a forum on a resumee is more impressive (assuming the topics are something you’d want to share).

Toes , in I just wanted to build a 20 mb app.

You gotta bundle it with electron and 400MB of a Chinese telemetry package.

TragicNotCute , in Guys! Should I accept the offer? 😂
@TragicNotCute@lemmy.world avatar

We goof on this person, but in my experience this kind of shameless begging usually works to some degree.

haui_lemmy ,

„Fake it til you make it“

There is a debate to be had about how far this is morally acceptable. If you‘re trying to promote your nonprofit and ask friends to ask their friends to look at it I‘d say thats fine.

But asking bluntly for fake reviews is not ok imo. I‘d report this person immediately. I‘d rather make a nice post on every social media platform that fits my topic and plainly ask folks for feedback. This just seems lazy and uninspired.

But you do you.

MonkderZweite ,

‘you do you’ to harmful behavior?

haui_lemmy ,

Generally, yes. I’m not gonna infringe on someone else’s actions as long as they dont endanger someone (themselves or other) because its not up to me (or anyone else) to be helicopter parents and “correct” everyone else.

As I said, I would report this person immediately.

imkali ,

imo it’s fine if its something like sub for sub on youtube, or follow for follow on twitch, where you’re manipulating an algorithm, but with reviews it’s misleading people and not okay.

haui_lemmy ,

I can relate. Sub4sub is pretty inconsequential as well imo whereas someone might buy something based on a fakre review.

peter ,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

Upvote my comment and I’ll upvote yours

Honytawk ,

I’d go out of my way to give a negative review stating that they wanted to bribe me into giving a positive review.

If multiple people did that, you’d see that nobody trusts the reviews anymore.

roofuskit ,

Which is why it should be reported.

M0oP0o , in Fitbit Clock Face
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

This is a pinetime it looks like.

You should get one, open source and $30.

https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/9370d3ce-f3ac-425b-991e-6478535c9193.jpeg

UnRelatedBurner ,

u sold me if it has hearthrate and stuff (idk what tracks sleep)

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

It does not track sleep as that would require too much info to be sent to a third party. The battery is insane on it as well I get 5 plus days on mine.

JackGreenEarth ,

Why would it require any info to be sent to a third party? My P32 tracks sleep and I keep it entirely offline.

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Not enough processing on the watch I think. You can look it up on the pinetime gethub (<a href="">https://github.com/topics/pinetime</a>) somewhere in the mess of projects it is mentioned.

onion ,

Couldn’t it connect to a phone and have that do the math

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

They have not made a phone side app yet. That would be the third party I think.

trafficnab ,

How far the smart watch has fallen that 5 days of battery life is now “insane”, these things should last weeks

drndramrndra ,

It’s just bad coding. Half a year ago they released a patch to more than double the battery life. 2 weeks is reasonable, especially when you limit the useless notifications.

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

sobs in Pebble

InFerNo ,

Maybe they meant insanely short 🤔

Lord_ToRA ,
@Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world avatar

I would not say that any of the features work well enough to consider them as actual features. The only thing that is truly reliable is telling time.

My battery life is about 3 days. The notifications are ugly and bare minimum. It does not store more than 5 at a time.

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

What does not work for you? Other then the one player pong sucking I have had the opposite experience.

trafficnab ,

Why does every manufacturer fall for the IPS/OLED meme instead of using a transflective LCD (like what a calculator has)?? My Amazfit Bip gets 6 weeks on a single charge with the screen on 24/7

UnRelatedBurner ,

transflective LCD is like magic tho, the things are floating. Jokes aside is there a smartwatch that has this screen, but with actual pixels, so that it’s just as “smart”? I know thag amazfit can show you all the info, but having a mini-mini-pc is cool.

trafficnab ,

I basically just want a smart watch to be an extension of my phone’s lockscreen:

Tell me the time, and tell me why my phone just buzzed, almost anything else is bloat that’s shaving literal weeks off of the battery life

UnRelatedBurner ,

Whatever floats your boat ig. For me it’s 50% looks and 50% sleep tracking. I don’t think a wristband can track how much calories I burn, and sport tracking is basically a meme. But for checking if I get enough sleep, and a fashion piece. Yes, pls.

Different market.

drndramrndra ,

My battery life is about 3 days.

Have you updated it this year? 1.13 improved the battery life from 3-5 days to 10+

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I would not say that any of the features work well enough to consider them as actual features.

That is a bold statement. I as someone who was considering purchasing one, could you elaborate?

Lord_ToRA ,
@Lord_ToRA@lemmy.world avatar

The step tracking is far less accurate than any other fitness watch I’ve had.

The raise-to-wake is not reliable regardless of how it’s calibrated.

The heart rate monitor I can’t provide evidence of accuracy, but based on the experience I had with the other features it’s safe to guess it’s not very accurate. More importantly it’s a battery killer and turns itself off constantly.

The interface in total is severely lacking.

Coding custom features is highly unenjoyable.

A large part of it relies on the companion apps which just don’t provide much support for the pinetime, especially in comparison to other devices.

The timer/stopwatch/alarm is laughable as it buzzes once and that’s it.

I mentioned already that notifications are ugly and bare minimum. Most information is cut off and it can only handle up to 5 notifications in memory before it’s cut off and you don’t get any more until you check them or it just clears the oldest one. I’m not exactly sure how it handles that because to me it’s just unusable.

haui_lemmy ,

Thanks for posting! I was looking at the pinephone esrlier but this would be an even better tinker device for me atm!

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

The pinephone is not really usable now. The pinetime is awesome though.

haui_lemmy ,

Interesting! I have read that its not capable of a daily driver at this point which isnt such a surprise given the fact that even the fairphone is 500+ $/€. Smartphones are more like computers than phones i guess.

What was your experience with the pinetime? If you want to share I mean.

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

I use the pinetime as my daily watch now. I got it so I could control my audio book in my helmet while on my motorcycle but it has proven great all around. I use LineageOS on my phone and the pinetime was super easy to set up and use with gadgetbridge. No bullshit, no bloat, and as far as I can see no spying.

haui_lemmy ,

Sounds great! I‘m using a legacy apple device (sigh) so I‘m not sure my phone will do a lot with it. Do you know what it can do on its own? Tell the time probably. It says you can use it with a pc as well. Turning on lights at home would be great. I could also see reverse engineering the key fob of my old bmw and using it as a key replacement. ;)

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

There is a lot of stuff people mess with, but with all linux people only some of it is useful or works. Can you side load on old apple stuff?

haui_lemmy ,

Its not jailbroken so no, I cant sideload yet. But the EU is currently trying to force apple to allow sideloading. Should be any minute now! :)

I know about linux stuff. Running a daily driver for half a year now and a couple servers for a couple years. The apple thing is just one I bought before all that so I will use it until it breaks. I develop some low effort apps for my linux desktop so the watch should be cool for me.

The dev kit thing scares me a bit though. Says the assembled watch is not for development?

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Oh yeah don’t get the dev kit, its just the watch bits really. The normal watch is sealed and whatnot, that is the one to get.

haui_lemmy ,

Ok, got it. Thanks! :)

averyminya ,

@Schorch do either of you have any particular comparison between the two watches? And maybe how portable the apps can be for each other? For example writing something for the PineTime and porting it to the bangle js2 or vice versa?

I only ask because the former is so cheap and the latter is currently nigh quadruple the price. But my partner and both have been looking for a good smart watch that has the basics from what you want with one but without it being $150 to Samsung and bloated down. And while I’m not a programmer I’m nearly happy enough with the offerings I see on the websites. I do have a couple Pi projects and a home server that I go back and forth on. When I get the motivation I don’t usually have any issues and it’s at least in a usable state by the end, even if it’s not perfect.

Thanks for any input!

InFerNo , (edited )

The pinetime does not have many apps and you can’t simply install any. I think you have to alter Infinitime to implement the app, then deploy infinitime (with app included).

Idk who downvoted this but that’s literally what the github page says you need to do.

averyminya ,

Ah thanks, I was just reading what was listed for each on their website, I didn’t even think to check the git for them.

InFerNo ,

I tinker more with my pinephone than my pinetime, which is basically “waiting for an update and then applying it”. Out of the 2 the Pinetime is the one I use, the Pinephone is currently substituting as a pihole because I broke the Odroid C1.

There’s a lot more to do and play with on the phone compared to the watch, but the watch is reliable to use daily.

haui_lemmy ,

Thanks a lot for elaborating. What is an Odroid C1?

InFerNo ,

It’s a raspberry pi clone so to speak, made by hardkernel. Their latest C board is the C4, pretty happy about em. Running Arch Linux for browsing and light gaming.

haui_lemmy ,

That sounds pretty awesome!

smeg ,

First I’ve heard of it, is it a worthy successor to the Pebble?

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Never owned a Pebble, But I think as they still make the pinetime it bodes well.

Schorsch ,

If you want a successor to the Pebble, also consider Bangle.js 2. It’s a little more expensive compared with the PineTime but I got one and I’m very happy!

smeg ,

Ultimately the Pebble is still working fine though I know it will pack in eventually. All I need is something I can use to read notifications and control music, always-listening health stuff and fancy battery-depleting screens are a negative!

drndramrndra ,

The stopwatch is only working while it’s on the screen and the screen is active. Notifications stay there until you manually discard them. The heart rate sensor is a complete toy since you can only manually trigger it, and it took 2 years for the infinitime devs to read the sensor docs and realise their algorithm is bad. The step counter can only automatically sync, so when it fails to do so for half a day you need to walk around and shake your wrist while keeping you phone and watch screens active. And the list of fails continues beyond that.

On top of that it costs 65€ ($75) when ordering from the European warehouse, and they don’t allow you to order from the main one because it would end up cheaper. Don’t waste your money unless you need a reason to practice cpp.

InFerNo ,

The stopwatch does only work with the screen on, but it also keeps the screen on so it doesn’t stop working.

Notifications don’t stay there… You can see the last 5 notifications if you swipe down on the main screen.

You can enable the HR monitor and exit the HR app. It will show on the watch face if it supports it. The HR sensor only works if the screen is on so it doesn’t drain the battery otherwise. It’s not great and takes a while to display the rate.

Idk about the step counter. It’s the most useless feature on any smartwatch so I never use it. What does it count as a step? What’s the use of counting the steps? You know how you did or didn’t walk…

I don’t have many other fails. The alarm works great, the flashlight gets daily use and I use it to control the music app on my phone. It does everything I need for an open source device, which is the primary reason I have it.

drndramrndra ,

It shouldn’t restart the stopwatch when you want to check the time on your watch, or receive a notification. Also, it was fixed in 2021 pr, rebased a year later, and it’s still not accepted.

I meant that they aren’t synced with the device they originated from. Also, am I misremembering or did they remove the new notification icon?

Isn’t the whole point of a heart rate monitor on a watch to take periodic measurements and record them so you can track your BPM during exercise? It works much better if you wear it on the inside of your arm.

A watch isn’t going to exactly count the number of steps you did, but it will tell you how active you were on what days and at what time. That can be useful.

For $75 it’s janky as hell

InFerNo ,

I agree with the stopwatch.

I don’t understand your second point.

I checked gadgetbridge, the app I use with the pinetime, and it shows a history of my heart rate and steps and tries to determine if I was “active”. Apparently it does keep track of HR intervals, but it only checks my rate when the watch has the screen active (so whenever checking time, notifications,etc) so random intervals rather than fixed.

I think it’s reliable though. It does what I want out of it and it’s open source, which to me is the main attraction for that price. Idk why they had to make it more expensive for the EU market though. Triple the USD cost, but still. I don’t know if there’s other smart watches that do more or cost less that are also open source and similarly usable?

drndramrndra ,

I don’t understand your second point.

If it’s dismissed on one device, it should also be dismissed on the other. Besides that, answering 5 calls shouldn’t leave you with 5 “Incoming call” notifications, especially so if you answered them from the watch.

Apparently it does keep track of HR intervals

No, it’s either measuring or not, it can’t do intervals nor save the data. The gaps you’re seeing is just data not getting synced because the screen needs to be active for it to maybe decide to sync at some point when it feels like it.

I think it’s reliable though.

The Osama Casio costs 23$, is also water resistant, the battery lasts ~7 years and can be easily replaced when it runs out, it has a working stopwatch, and a timer that can go for over 24h. Meanwhile with the pinetime you have to chose between risking it dying when you wash your hands, or throwing it away in a few years when the battery dies and you can’t replace it. What reliability are you talking about?

I don’t know if there’s other smart watches that do more or cost less that are also open source and similarly usable?

Lilygo ones have a really crappy battery life but the models have a combination of WIFI, IR, LORA, GPS, and mic + speaker. So, they’re much better as programmer toys, but even worse as watches.

Banglejs 2 costs about as much as the EU version, but the device is so much better it’s not even funny. I’m pretty sure a lot of programmable Aliexpress watches are also running espruino, and it’s got community ports for other watches.

TLDR

It’s crap, and I’m still salty because the person ordering it for me (of course the EU store won’t ship to non-EU European countries) got scammed without checking in with me whether there’s something off about paying 3 times as much as what’s shown in the link that I sent them…

ramsay , (edited )

Does it support the watch command?

user@watch:~ $ watch now

Otherwise, who knows when “now” was…

/s

CaptnNMorgan ,

What is a good OS for a dummy?

jeremias ,
@jeremias@social.jears.at avatar

IIRC it comes with a firmware called InfiniTime preinstalled. So I guess that one.

CaptnNMorgan ,

What about for a dummy that wants to feel smart by installing a custom one?

InFerNo ,

The latest version of infinitime. The update process will make you feel smart.

CaptnNMorgan ,

Hell yeah

Psythik ,

Watches should be round IMO. I’m happy with my Samsung Watch 4 Classic.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

honestly just depends on what kind of watchface you want, square is cheaper and in some ways more convenient so if you don’t want an analog clockface there’s no reason to bother

shea ,

it’s ugly and sticks out too much when it’s square. round is classy

ipkpjersi ,

True but it can also look sleek/modern, or at least rectangular can imo.

Farvana ,

It’s a chunk of plastic on your wrist. It’s always going to be a bit tacky.

Aceticon ,

Yeah, but square screens are way cheaper to procure and to program for, and every little helps in an open source project aiming for $30.

SaltyIceteaMaker ,
@SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

I bought one and wqs quite happy with it until it just randomly got stuck in a bootloop and no amount of resetting or letting it drain helped

InFerNo ,

If it’s been in the drawer for all this time, charge it again, it will ptobably boot. I had a similar issue, but didn’t let the thing shut down conpletely (by making sure the battery is completely drained).

SaltyIceteaMaker ,
@SaltyIceteaMaker@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

I already tried it after multiple months (i had to charhe it to boot at all) but it didn’t work… I will prob. Try again later

mortrek ,

What Android software could you use for managing it? Gadgetbridge seems to not have fully-developed support for it, even with their preferred firmware.

I’m using Gadgetbridge with a hacked Amazfit Bip and I’m pretty happy. I like the multicolor TFT LCD w/no default backlight on the Bip, which is very readable in bright light and only requires a quick button press to get the backlight on in the dark, or you can waste more battery life and have it turn on when you turn it towards yourself. It’s also got built-in GPS/workout tracking (you have to manually flash the A-GPS data occasionally…), the ability to load little open source apps, sleep tracking, heart rate tracking, notifications, custom watchfaces, etc which I’m sure the Pinetime has most of. The battery also lasts ages since it uses such a low-power LCD.

I’m not saying the Pinetime isn’t good, but decent alternatives exist. I would love a truly open-source smart watch, but maybe when the project is slightly more mature. I guess I could always get one and contribute to it… $30 is really not much. I’ll definitely try it if my Bip breaks.

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

I have found nothing that worked, was not spying on you, was not some hipster pipedream, and has lots of people working on it. Oh and gadgetbridge seems to work good, what do you mean not supported?

mortrek ,

According to the wiki, only one firmware is supported, and it’s early support with missing features. The wiki may be outdated, though.

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Yeah, I have updated my firmware and its just fine. Like a lot of this type of development there is not great oversight or up to date documents.

mortrek ,

Also the Bip cannot spy on you unless you install the official app. It’s limited to its interactions with apps over bluetooth, and I just use Gadgetbridge.

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Glad you worked around the spying. I just wanted to give my money to a company that did not start by spying on me.

genie ,

Or a Bangle.JS 2 if you like GPS :-)

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

But the pinetime uses the phones navigation/gps. I am not sure what that would do?

genie ,

It doesn’t rely on phone navigation for starters :)

I find it to be especially useful for running, or really sports in general where it’s not practical to carry a phone. Accelerometer step counting alone isn’t very accurate. Having GNSS on the watch is very helpful in a lot of ways.

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Ah, that explains it then. I have not run in 10 years and would not have thought of that.

jherazob ,
@jherazob@beehaw.org avatar

Gave a quick check, and it costs more than twice the price to buy it in EU, everything from Pine64, for some reason, odd, will look at this in more detail later at some point in case i missed something because the idea of an open, not locked, not tracking your every move smartwatch is appealing, but that doubling the price thing is a minus.

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

Yeah I had a similar experience getting mine shipped to Canada, $30 but another $30ish for shipping. I hope one day they are available easier and everywhere.

jws_shadotak ,

Ayy this is exactly what I’m wearing

Xero ,
@Xero@infosec.pub avatar

Thanks for the heads up!

FaceDeer , in Works on my machine
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

To be fair, the bug report was utterly useless too.

parpol ,

Should have asked chatGPT to write the bug report.

Contend6248 ,

True, when i respond with the exact problem it usually gets fixed, interestingly even explained why it failed.

Great for learning

IzzyScissor ,

The only problem is that it’ll ALSO agree if you suggest the wrong problem.

“Hey, shouldn’t you have to fleem the snort so it can be repurposed for later use?”

You are correct. Fleeming the snort is necessary for repurposing for later use. Here is the updated code:

Rhaedas ,
@Rhaedas@kbin.social avatar

Models are geared towards seeking the best human response for answers, not necessarily the answers themselves. Its first answer is based on probability of autocompleting from a huge sample of data, and in versions that have a memory adjusts later responses to how well the human is accepting the answers. There is no actual processing of the answers, although that may be in the latest variations being worked on where there are components that cycle through hundreds of attempts of generations of a problem to try to verify and pick the best answers. Basically rather than spit out the first autocomplete answers, it has subprocessing to actually weed out the junk and narrow into a hopefully good result. Still not AGI, but it's more useful than the first LLMs.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

That's not been my experience. It'll tend to be agreeable when I suggest architecture changes, or if I insist on some particular suboptimal design element, but if I tell it "this bit here isn't working" when it clearly isn't the real problem I've had it disagree with me and tell me what it thinks the bug is really caused by.

Synthead ,

It was trying to is, then it isn’ted. Help?

ipha , (edited ) in Monitor Alignment Alignment Chart

Chaotic good here. They have different DPI too so you’re never quite sure where your mouse is going to end up.

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

OK, calm down Satan…

30p87 ,

I spend hours aligning their bottoms and virtual position so now my three screens transfer the mouse exactly in their vertical middle.

I also use a tiling WM with tons of workspaces and if I switch workspaces my mouse gets reseted into the middle of the workspace anyway.

Redjard ,
@Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I switched to Wayland and it makes a huge difference. Pulling a window over to my higher dpi monitor makes it go … clearer. It looks just like how you’d want it to look.
I like it so much I refuse to accept my status as chaotic good and want an exception for chaotic good wayland users with correct dpi compensation to be categorized as chaotic neutrals and lawfuls

VanitasTheUnversed ,

So, uh, I have no idea if my chaotic good monitors have different dpi. I guess I’m just used to it lol

XEAL ,

Chaotic good (3 displays) here

My old monitor is not going to waste :)

dabaldeagul ,
@dabaldeagul@feddit.nl avatar

You can use a software called LittleBigMouse to make this better. It’s really nice in my experience with 2 1080p screens and one 4k. All roughly the same size

darcy , in Pure Evil
@darcy@sh.itjust.works avatar

any modern compiler or ide will notice this and warn you.

massive_bereavement ,
@massive_bereavement@kbin.social avatar

Same, I thought this is gotta be a problem for someone who uses notepad as their main editor.

Jumuta ,

meanwhile vim:

Amaltheamannen ,

If you are coding on vim you use a language server 😝

darcy ,
@darcy@sh.itjust.works avatar

vim is not an ide i believe. but an lsp will notice

watcher ,

Yeah, it will tell you that it existed a semicolon… 😁

luciferofastora ,

…for which my default fix would be to delete and reenter it in hopes of fixing ehatever hiccup the syntax validator is having

Knusper , in Imagine

You mean, like on Ubuntu?

Magnetar ,

Ubuntu really makes it hard to keep liking it. They keep pushing bullshit like snap.

Tattorack , in Play stupid games, win stupid prize
@Tattorack@lemmy.world avatar

“Because” is spelled wrong.

Zachariah ,
@Zachariah@lemmy.world avatar

but “bacause” is spelled correctly

variants ,

The ultimate bacon reason

DiabloD3 , in Release notes of an open source app. Someone is pretty mad at Canonical for Snap

Good on them. Snap is a plague.

pkill ,

Why are they even still pushing that nonsense when flatpak at least somewhat gets closer to getting bwrap implemented right?

Dirk ,
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

Why are they even still pushing that nonsense

It’s a for-profit corporation. They only have one goal.

hunger ,
@hunger@programming.dev avatar

To be fair: snaps can work for all kinds of things all over the stack from the kernel to individual applications, while flatpak just does applications. Canonical is building a lot around those abilities to handle lower level things, so I guess it makes sense for them.

IMHO flatpak does the applications better and more reliably and those are what I personally care for, so I personally stay away from snaps.

pkill ,

Fair point. For instance one thing that sucks about flatpaks is that you can’t torsocks them

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