While I loved PropertyCity while I lived there, my early years in RuralTown showed that’s where the real Country really is. We had a herd of FarmAnimals and would always go down to the WaterBody on the weekends where the LargeMammals roamed free and wild!
Yup. The libraries underneath will still allow nonsense at runtime, though, and it will now be harder to see, so it’s a partial solution as done in standard practice.
An all-TypeScript stack, if you could pull it off, would be the way to go.
Most libraries have TypeScript types these days, either bundled directly with the library (common with newer libraries), or as part of the DefinitelyTyped project.
DefinitelyTyped is the exact kind of thing I’m talking about. You put TypeScript definitions over things, but under the hood it’s still JavaScript and can fail in JavaScript ways.
It can’t fail in javascript ways that require specific sequences of code to be written, if those sequences of code aren’t in the range of output of the Typescript compiler.
If there was an easy way to use rust or something on webassemly and use that instead of JS. I’d be so happy, but I can’t find how to do it without npm.
Doesn’t look like it, unfortunately. But it’s planned. Kotlin can also compile to JavaScript with DOM manipulation. I’ve not tried either scenario, myself.
Rust would probably be the wrong tool here. This is scripting, so pointers like Rust is built around aren’t really meaningful. Kotlin or Python or something are more on the ticket.
Websites have grown beyond mere scripting.
Rust is about more than just nicer pointers, it has a very expressive type system that enables correctness rarely seen outside FP.
You can use WebAssembly today, but you still need some JS interop for a bunch of browser features (like DOM manipulation). Your core logic can be in WebAssembly though. C# has Blazor, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some Rust WebAssembly projects. I seem to recall that there’s a reimplementation of Flash player that’s built in Rust and compiles to WebAssembly.
Yeah, ideally TypeScript would be natively supported. Or maybe just Python, which is sort-of strictly typed, and definitely won’t do “wat”. Alas, it’s not the world we live in, and browsers take JavaScript.
Python supports type hints, but you need to use a type checker like Pyre or Pyright to actually check them. Python itself doesn’t do anything with the type hints.
The libraries underneath will still allow nonsense at runtime
Only if you use a badly written library. Most libraries have types provided by DefinitelyTyped. Those who don’t are (in my experience) so tiny that you probably aren’t using them; or, if you really wanted, can check yourself.
In the end, if you encounter a bug, it’ still 99% of the time not a library’s fault, even if it’s written in plain JS.
Like I said to the other person, those are just types over top of JavaScript that can still fail if/when coercion happens under the hood.
I don’t even know how to search it now, but a specific example came up on here of a time when JavaScript libraries will cause problems, and problems you can’t even see very well if you’re expecting it to act strictly-typed.
By that logic what we really need is a modernization of Ada, where there are no compiler warnings and anything that would generate one in another language is instead a compiler error, everything is strongly typed, etc, etc.
If you aren’t familiar with Ada, just imagine Pascal went to military school.
That analogy was chosen for a reason. Ada was originally developed by DOD committee and a French programming team to be a programming language for Defense projects between 1977 and 1983 that they were still using at least into the early 2000s. It’s based on Pascal.
It was intended for applications where reliability was the highest priority (above things like performance or ease of use) and one of the consequences of that is that there are no warnings - only compiler errors, and a lot of common bad practices that will be allowed to fly or maybe at worst generate a warning in other languages will themselves generate compiler errors. Do it right or don’t bother trying. No implicit typecasting, even something like 1 + 0.5 where it’s obvious what is intended is a compiler error because you are trying to add an integer to a real without explicitly converting either - you’re in extremely strongly-typed country here.
Libraries are split across two files, one is essentially the interfaces for the library and the other is it’s implementation (not that weird, and not that different than C/C++ header files though the code looks closer to Pascal interface and implementation sections put in separate files). The intent at the time being that different teams or different subcontractors might be building each module and by establishing a fixed interface up front and spelling out in great detail in documentation what each piece of that interface is supposed to do the actual implementation could be done separately and hypothetically have a predictable result.
This is the same language where you have to say PLEASE sometimes or it won’t compile. But if you say PLEASE too much, the compiler will think you’re pandering and also refuse to compile. The range between too polite and not polite enough is not specified and varies by implementation.
I love how arbitrary, cultural and opinionated that must be to work with. You’d learn something about the implimenter of the compiler by using it for a while.
I’m not in software development, but this is how the entire company I work for operates.
We’re just kinda going forward with no clear direction, keeping stuff ticking over and constantly coming up with future plans that never come to fruition.
This is how all enterprise companies I worked for operates too. Only when I joined a smaller company with 80 people I realized that it can be really fun to work. We get a lot of stuff done and hardly any meetings. Really enjoying it.
There are answers, they just take a level of experience to reach that most people aren’t cut out for. You gotta be several principal+ IC roles or Dir+ mgr roles in before the patterns congeal into a plan.
Challenge is operating at those levels for extended periods requires a super fucking insane level of competency and dedication. Most people hit that spot and coast till retirement cause you’re at $500k+ at FAANG. Few keep looking for new opportunities unless forced to or they’re those corporate robot sharks with the dead eyes.
There are people who are knowledgeable and good at their job. Knowledgeable enough to be experts. Those are usually subject matter experts, including developers.
The issue is that no one can guarantee an outcome or that they’ve picked the right approach.
But this is really more a product of capitalism than anything else. Under capitalism you just have to keep moving even if you’re just making garbage and debt. There’s no reason to stop and think, because that is seen as a cost (even though it costs more to move without thinking).
Even the best companies that do factor in planning (at least in concept if not actually in practice most of the time) end up with the other problem of “resume driven development” where things that are totally fine and actually working get replaced with things that don’t work because someone needs a new project to get their promotion.
Capitalism produces garbage and puts the people who are least qualified in decision making roles. This still happens in natural systems, but much less. In (healthy) anticapitalist organizing, the people who know the most are generally asked to lead and when they don’t know what to do they stop and figure it out before moving forward.
Aimless wondering can still be a problem, but it’s not forced by the system to continue it’s just people who are learning.
“This button turns on the light in the hallway. Sometimes it brings the whole house down on you, but we haven’t found a way to reliably reproduce this. If that happens just crawl from under the rubble, rebuild the house, and try again. This time the light should turn on.“
Well…Forums need to be maintained. Discord is free and easy and fast to use.
Discord should allow the servers to be browsable. But you can only participate by logging in.
Doesnt Disqus handle it like that as well? Same account on every website utilizing disqus?
part of the problem is that discord as a platform for this, is like using NAT to make ipv4 work in the modern era. It’s just annoying.
Discord even if it allowed public scraping would be a nightmare, because it’s search function is practically helpless. Good luck finding a solution as well, that may or may not exist, and that question/answer has probably been brought up numerous times. There is probably specific context around it that we’re missing unless we decide to role play as a historian.
Not to mention, it’s a third layer of abstraction on top of something that should just be accessible.
I mean sure forums need maintenance, So do discords though, Hardware hosting is barely a problem. Basically anything and any internet connection can host a forum, cloudflare will probably sell it to you for pennies on the dollar even. (though i dont like cloudflare myself)
Honestly, you ever tried to look back through a long thread on Discord? It’s impossible. If you want to read the original message that started the thread, good luck, you’ll be scrolling all day and may never get there. How anyone can claim that’s “easy to use” is beyond me.
Discord works for quick discussions happening right now, and that’s it.
If someone at an IT company put down web admin for a moderate forum of ~500 users of which a 100 are weekly active users, serving a small CDN distributed over America and Europe (because side project not because logical), I’d be impressed a hundred fold over a Discord admin.
At best you’d be very good community manager/admin if you maintained and kept the server clean of a >1000 user server of which 500 are participating daily. At worst the interviewers would ask you why you’d maintain a kids voice channel.
Also putting out a forum on a resumee is more impressive (assuming the topics are something you’d want to share).
There is a debate to be had about how far this is morally acceptable. If you‘re trying to promote your nonprofit and ask friends to ask their friends to look at it I‘d say thats fine.
But asking bluntly for fake reviews is not ok imo. I‘d report this person immediately. I‘d rather make a nice post on every social media platform that fits my topic and plainly ask folks for feedback. This just seems lazy and uninspired.
Generally, yes. I’m not gonna infringe on someone else’s actions as long as they dont endanger someone (themselves or other) because its not up to me (or anyone else) to be helicopter parents and “correct” everyone else.
As I said, I would report this person immediately.
imo it’s fine if its something like sub for sub on youtube, or follow for follow on twitch, where you’re manipulating an algorithm, but with reviews it’s misleading people and not okay.
It does not track sleep as that would require too much info to be sent to a third party. The battery is insane on it as well I get 5 plus days on mine.
Not enough processing on the watch I think. You can look it up on the pinetime gethub (<a href="">https://github.com/topics/pinetime</a>) somewhere in the mess of projects it is mentioned.
It’s just bad coding. Half a year ago they released a patch to more than double the battery life. 2 weeks is reasonable, especially when you limit the useless notifications.
Why does every manufacturer fall for the IPS/OLED meme instead of using a transflective LCD (like what a calculator has)?? My Amazfit Bip gets 6 weeks on a single charge with the screen on 24/7
transflective LCD is like magic tho, the things are floating. Jokes aside is there a smartwatch that has this screen, but with actual pixels, so that it’s just as “smart”? I know thag amazfit can show you all the info, but having a mini-mini-pc is cool.
Whatever floats your boat ig. For me it’s 50% looks and 50% sleep tracking. I don’t think a wristband can track how much calories I burn, and sport tracking is basically a meme. But for checking if I get enough sleep, and a fashion piece. Yes, pls.
The step tracking is far less accurate than any other fitness watch I’ve had.
The raise-to-wake is not reliable regardless of how it’s calibrated.
The heart rate monitor I can’t provide evidence of accuracy, but based on the experience I had with the other features it’s safe to guess it’s not very accurate. More importantly it’s a battery killer and turns itself off constantly.
The interface in total is severely lacking.
Coding custom features is highly unenjoyable.
A large part of it relies on the companion apps which just don’t provide much support for the pinetime, especially in comparison to other devices.
The timer/stopwatch/alarm is laughable as it buzzes once and that’s it.
I mentioned already that notifications are ugly and bare minimum. Most information is cut off and it can only handle up to 5 notifications in memory before it’s cut off and you don’t get any more until you check them or it just clears the oldest one. I’m not exactly sure how it handles that because to me it’s just unusable.
Interesting! I have read that its not capable of a daily driver at this point which isnt such a surprise given the fact that even the fairphone is 500+ $/€. Smartphones are more like computers than phones i guess.
What was your experience with the pinetime? If you want to share I mean.
I use the pinetime as my daily watch now. I got it so I could control my audio book in my helmet while on my motorcycle but it has proven great all around. I use LineageOS on my phone and the pinetime was super easy to set up and use with gadgetbridge. No bullshit, no bloat, and as far as I can see no spying.
Sounds great! I‘m using a legacy apple device (sigh) so I‘m not sure my phone will do a lot with it. Do you know what it can do on its own? Tell the time probably. It says you can use it with a pc as well. Turning on lights at home would be great. I could also see reverse engineering the key fob of my old bmw and using it as a key replacement. ;)
Its not jailbroken so no, I cant sideload yet. But the EU is currently trying to force apple to allow sideloading. Should be any minute now! :)
I know about linux stuff. Running a daily driver for half a year now and a couple servers for a couple years. The apple thing is just one I bought before all that so I will use it until it breaks. I develop some low effort apps for my linux desktop so the watch should be cool for me.
The dev kit thing scares me a bit though. Says the assembled watch is not for development?
@Schorch do either of you have any particular comparison between the two watches? And maybe how portable the apps can be for each other? For example writing something for the PineTime and porting it to the bangle js2 or vice versa?
I only ask because the former is so cheap and the latter is currently nigh quadruple the price. But my partner and both have been looking for a good smart watch that has the basics from what you want with one but without it being $150 to Samsung and bloated down. And while I’m not a programmer I’m nearly happy enough with the offerings I see on the websites. I do have a couple Pi projects and a home server that I go back and forth on. When I get the motivation I don’t usually have any issues and it’s at least in a usable state by the end, even if it’s not perfect.
The pinetime does not have many apps and you can’t simply install any. I think you have to alter Infinitime to implement the app, then deploy infinitime (with app included).
Idk who downvoted this but that’s literally what the github page says you need to do.
I tinker more with my pinephone than my pinetime, which is basically “waiting for an update and then applying it”. Out of the 2 the Pinetime is the one I use, the Pinephone is currently substituting as a pihole because I broke the Odroid C1.
There’s a lot more to do and play with on the phone compared to the watch, but the watch is reliable to use daily.
It’s a raspberry pi clone so to speak, made by hardkernel. Their latest C board is the C4, pretty happy about em. Running Arch Linux for browsing and light gaming.
If you want a successor to the Pebble, also consider Bangle.js 2. It’s a little more expensive compared with the PineTime but I got one and I’m very happy!
Ultimately the Pebble is still working fine though I know it will pack in eventually. All I need is something I can use to read notifications and control music, always-listening health stuff and fancy battery-depleting screens are a negative!
The stopwatch is only working while it’s on the screen and the screen is active. Notifications stay there until you manually discard them. The heart rate sensor is a complete toy since you can only manually trigger it, and it took 2 years for the infinitime devs to read the sensor docs and realise their algorithm is bad. The step counter can only automatically sync, so when it fails to do so for half a day you need to walk around and shake your wrist while keeping you phone and watch screens active. And the list of fails continues beyond that.
On top of that it costs 65€ ($75) when ordering from the European warehouse, and they don’t allow you to order from the main one because it would end up cheaper. Don’t waste your money unless you need a reason to practice cpp.
The stopwatch does only work with the screen on, but it also keeps the screen on so it doesn’t stop working.
Notifications don’t stay there… You can see the last 5 notifications if you swipe down on the main screen.
You can enable the HR monitor and exit the HR app. It will show on the watch face if it supports it. The HR sensor only works if the screen is on so it doesn’t drain the battery otherwise. It’s not great and takes a while to display the rate.
Idk about the step counter. It’s the most useless feature on any smartwatch so I never use it. What does it count as a step? What’s the use of counting the steps? You know how you did or didn’t walk…
I don’t have many other fails. The alarm works great, the flashlight gets daily use and I use it to control the music app on my phone. It does everything I need for an open source device, which is the primary reason I have it.
It shouldn’t restart the stopwatch when you want to check the time on your watch, or receive a notification. Also, it was fixed in 2021 pr, rebased a year later, and it’s still not accepted.
I meant that they aren’t synced with the device they originated from. Also, am I misremembering or did they remove the new notification icon?
Isn’t the whole point of a heart rate monitor on a watch to take periodic measurements and record them so you can track your BPM during exercise? It works much better if you wear it on the inside of your arm.
A watch isn’t going to exactly count the number of steps you did, but it will tell you how active you were on what days and at what time. That can be useful.
I checked gadgetbridge, the app I use with the pinetime, and it shows a history of my heart rate and steps and tries to determine if I was “active”. Apparently it does keep track of HR intervals, but it only checks my rate when the watch has the screen active (so whenever checking time, notifications,etc) so random intervals rather than fixed.
I think it’s reliable though. It does what I want out of it and it’s open source, which to me is the main attraction for that price. Idk why they had to make it more expensive for the EU market though. Triple the USD cost, but still. I don’t know if there’s other smart watches that do more or cost less that are also open source and similarly usable?
If it’s dismissed on one device, it should also be dismissed on the other. Besides that, answering 5 calls shouldn’t leave you with 5 “Incoming call” notifications, especially so if you answered them from the watch.
Apparently it does keep track of HR intervals
No, it’s either measuring or not, it can’t do intervals nor save the data. The gaps you’re seeing is just data not getting synced because the screen needs to be active for it to maybe decide to sync at some point when it feels like it.
I think it’s reliable though.
The Osama Casio costs 23$, is also water resistant, the battery lasts ~7 years and can be easily replaced when it runs out, it has a working stopwatch, and a timer that can go for over 24h. Meanwhile with the pinetime you have to chose between risking it dying when you wash your hands, or throwing it away in a few years when the battery dies and you can’t replace it. What reliability are you talking about?
I don’t know if there’s other smart watches that do more or cost less that are also open source and similarly usable?
Lilygo ones have a really crappy battery life but the models have a combination of WIFI, IR, LORA, GPS, and mic + speaker. So, they’re much better as programmer toys, but even worse as watches.
Banglejs 2 costs about as much as the EU version, but the device is so much better it’s not even funny. I’m pretty sure a lot of programmable Aliexpress watches are also running espruino, and it’s got community ports for other watches.
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It’s crap, and I’m still salty because the person ordering it for me (of course the EU store won’t ship to non-EU European countries) got scammed without checking in with me whether there’s something off about paying 3 times as much as what’s shown in the link that I sent them…
honestly just depends on what kind of watchface you want, square is cheaper and in some ways more convenient so if you don’t want an analog clockface there’s no reason to bother
If it’s been in the drawer for all this time, charge it again, it will ptobably boot. I had a similar issue, but didn’t let the thing shut down conpletely (by making sure the battery is completely drained).
What Android software could you use for managing it? Gadgetbridge seems to not have fully-developed support for it, even with their preferred firmware.
I’m using Gadgetbridge with a hacked Amazfit Bip and I’m pretty happy. I like the multicolor TFT LCD w/no default backlight on the Bip, which is very readable in bright light and only requires a quick button press to get the backlight on in the dark, or you can waste more battery life and have it turn on when you turn it towards yourself. It’s also got built-in GPS/workout tracking (you have to manually flash the A-GPS data occasionally…), the ability to load little open source apps, sleep tracking, heart rate tracking, notifications, custom watchfaces, etc which I’m sure the Pinetime has most of. The battery also lasts ages since it uses such a low-power LCD.
I’m not saying the Pinetime isn’t good, but decent alternatives exist. I would love a truly open-source smart watch, but maybe when the project is slightly more mature. I guess I could always get one and contribute to it… $30 is really not much. I’ll definitely try it if my Bip breaks.
I have found nothing that worked, was not spying on you, was not some hipster pipedream, and has lots of people working on it. Oh and gadgetbridge seems to work good, what do you mean not supported?
Also the Bip cannot spy on you unless you install the official app. It’s limited to its interactions with apps over bluetooth, and I just use Gadgetbridge.
It doesn’t rely on phone navigation for starters :)
I find it to be especially useful for running, or really sports in general where it’s not practical to carry a phone. Accelerometer step counting alone isn’t very accurate. Having GNSS on the watch is very helpful in a lot of ways.
Gave a quick check, and it costs more than twice the price to buy it in EU, everything from Pine64, for some reason, odd, will look at this in more detail later at some point in case i missed something because the idea of an open, not locked, not tracking your every move smartwatch is appealing, but that doubling the price thing is a minus.
Yeah I had a similar experience getting mine shipped to Canada, $30 but another $30ish for shipping. I hope one day they are available easier and everywhere.
Models are geared towards seeking the best human response for answers, not necessarily the answers themselves. Its first answer is based on probability of autocompleting from a huge sample of data, and in versions that have a memory adjusts later responses to how well the human is accepting the answers. There is no actual processing of the answers, although that may be in the latest variations being worked on where there are components that cycle through hundreds of attempts of generations of a problem to try to verify and pick the best answers. Basically rather than spit out the first autocomplete answers, it has subprocessing to actually weed out the junk and narrow into a hopefully good result. Still not AGI, but it's more useful than the first LLMs.
That's not been my experience. It'll tend to be agreeable when I suggest architecture changes, or if I insist on some particular suboptimal design element, but if I tell it "this bit here isn't working" when it clearly isn't the real problem I've had it disagree with me and tell me what it thinks the bug is really caused by.
I switched to Wayland and it makes a huge difference. Pulling a window over to my higher dpi monitor makes it go … clearer. It looks just like how you’d want it to look.
I like it so much I refuse to accept my status as chaotic good and want an exception for chaotic good wayland users with correct dpi compensation to be categorized as chaotic neutrals and lawfuls
You can use a software called LittleBigMouse to make this better. It’s really nice in my experience with 2 1080p screens and one 4k. All roughly the same size
To be fair: snaps can work for all kinds of things all over the stack from the kernel to individual applications, while flatpak just does applications. Canonical is building a lot around those abilities to handle lower level things, so I guess it makes sense for them.
IMHO flatpak does the applications better and more reliably and those are what I personally care for, so I personally stay away from snaps.
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