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YIj54yALOJxEsY20eU , in Long trek home

This is lovely and I am a huge fan of your artwork! Keep them coming.

pmjv OP ,
@pmjv@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

thank you! I’m always grateful hearing this.

zea_64 , in Someone needs to be reminded that anticompetitive practices are illegal

Can a EULA ban fair use? Google v Oracle might have something to say about this.

mp3 ,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

It can say whatever it wants unless invalidated by a court or an existing law saying otherwise.

xmunk ,

Yup, it’s not a question of laws if there is no enforcement.

chiliedogg ,

But until a government steps in there’s potential civil liability for violating the terms. And even winning a lawsuit against Nvidia could be very expensive and take years. And even if they lost it would be worth it to Nvidia to go through the long, expensive process because they’d making sales that entire time.

mindbleach ,

EULAs should not exist.

FluffyPotato ,

Probably depends on your country’s laws. Here in Estonia most EULAs aren’t valid because pressing accept on those isn’t legally binding.

anders ,

@FluffyPotato @zea_64 Nice haha.

mexicancartel ,

What if we don’t accept the EULA? Like why do we need to accept Nvidia’s EULA to create translation layer of cuda?

FluffyPotato ,

You probably don’t but it depends where you are. Reverse engineering software without permission isn’t illegal in most places but in the US I’m pretty sure it is.

mexicancartel ,

So its for reverse engineering it only? They can’t restrict creating a translation layer if no reverse engineering is involved right?

FluffyPotato ,

No idea, I’m not from the US and don’t know the laws beyond what I have previously looked up. Here in Estonia you can make the translation layer without accepting any EULA and even if you did it wouldn’t be legally binding. You can alse reverse engineer anything you want.

mexicancartel ,

Me neither is from us though

Serinus , in And don't forget RTFM

Pick a language. Keep it simple. Make something.

Bonus points if it’s something very simple that you’ll use.

Tic tac toe. Fizzbuzz. A score pad for a game. Something that can theoretically be done in an hour (if you were an expert).

Hupf ,
LinearArray , in Yup sums up all my project
@LinearArray@programming.dev avatar

Put everything in one app

peak_dunning_krueger , in And don't forget RTFM

Where is the guitar?

How do you expect people to become rockstar codewithrockstar.com devs without a guitar?!

IdiosyncraticIdiot , in And don't forget RTFM

Classic result of a business man in charge of a software company.

LPT: work for a company where the decision maker comes from an engineering background, not a business background.

You’re welcome.

Schal330 , in And don't forget RTFM

If anyone genuinely feels this way and wants to get started in coding, I highly recommend doing one of the mooc.fi courses. Codecademy is fine as a taster/refresh but don’t waste money on the premium when something like mooc is available for free.

magic_lobster_party , in Rust coin

It’s finding posts online and try to convince people to rewrite their projects in Rust.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please , in Hey, I'm new to GitHub!

The next generation of script kiddies is going to be iPad babies. It’ll be interesting to see, since the majority can’t use anything in tech unless it’s an app.

We built computer labs in schools, to teach kids how to use computers. Then we decided computers are ubiquitous enough that we didn’t need computer labs anymore. And now we have an entire generation that doesn’t know how to use computers, because they use their phones and tablets for everything instead.

jaybone ,

I wonder who is going to write the apps in the future.

KyuubiNoKitsune ,

“AI”

ForgotAboutDre ,

People wrote software before there’s was computers for them to grow up with. They’ll be able to develop these skills in university’s, colleges, coding courses or online.

I grew up prior to the app world. My exposure to computing during highschool was word, excel, access and once we used PowerPoint. Nothings changed, people are only taught what the teachers know.

technom ,

I started from a similar background in school. Learning from books in the library and coding on a sheet of paper. Opportunities to get that in a real computer was hard to come by. Some teachers helped by pitching in to get me a few hours in the school lab. Those who like it start learning well before the resources become available. You don’t need to wait till UG to gain those skills.

That said, how often do you see kids these days using a real general purpose computer suitable for coding? Like a desktop or laptop? Not phones, Chromebooks or tablets. In fact, it’s bewildering these days to see programming tutorials start with a statement saying that you need such a device. It was a given, back in the day. And the other stories here don’t paint a good picture.

ForgotAboutDre ,

It’s probably the same amount as before. More phones and tablets haven’t had a big effect on the amount of general purpose computers. There’s devices today like raspberry pi and Arduino that fill the same niche as older general-purpose computers.

Your assume things are different and must be worse. This is a take old as time. Socrates complained about the youth no longer taking the studies as serious as his generation did. The world would have fallen into complete chaos if it were ever true. It’s the conservative myth that things were better and can only get worse.

These kids accessing websites that tell you that a general purpose computer is needed, would have to rely on textbooks and magazines to get the same information in the past. A much bigger barrier, even identifying which ones you need.

Milk_Sheikh ,

AI for the heavy lifting, some poor overworked freelancer overseas fixes issues and refines, and then maybe, mayyyybe a domestic review team of senior coders for pen/security testing.

!remindme 2030

Vast_Emptiness ,

Chatgpt, of course…

sunbeam60 ,

Ugh. You’re probably right. Finally all those idiots who come up to me going “I’ve got a great idea for an app” will actually be able to release their great idea :)

I used to be able to say “ideas are easy, work is hard”. Now we won’t be.

technom ,

I’m yet to hear anyone saying that chatGPT can navigate the complex series of design decisions needed to create a cohesive app (unless of course, it was trained on something exactly the same). Many people report spending an inordinate amount of time rectifying the mistakes these LLMs make. It sounds like a glorified autofill (I haven’t used them yet). I shudder to think about the future of the software ecosystem if an entire generation is trained to rely entirely on them to create code.

sunbeam60 ,

I think you’re right at the minute. Whether you’ll be right in the future I’m less certain.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

LLM is great for writing code in small snippets. I’ve used it for quickly writing batch files, for instance. I couldn’t be bothered to look up how to format something obscure. So I use an LLM like ChatGPT to do the bulk work, then I just double check what it gave me.

I wouldn’t use it for anything over ~100 lines at a time. Just like with long conversations, it will have a tendency to “lose the plot” and start forgetting things that it said early on. Because as things get added to the conversation it has to parse more and more data. So it’ll start to drift off topic as conversations get longer.

It can also be handy for debugging sections of code. Because programming is just a form of language with strict grammar/diction/spelling rules. And a LLM will be really really good at spotting stupid grammar mistakes. It’ll instantly notice your missing semicolon and point it out to you, which can save you a ton of frustration.

Just like with any tool, how well it works is entirely up to the user. It will likely progress to the point of being able to manage longer code eventually. But right now it’s still incredibly useful as long as you accept its limitations and work within them.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

and they’re going to be precisely as nonsensical as those AI articles are

sure, you can get good output from LLMs, but companies are absolutely not going to bother putting in the effort to do so, as not putting in effort is the entire point.

it’s at least nice to know that corporations will enshittify themselves out of existence, while one guy living in a basement will silently release something they poured their soul into and it sells 5 billion copies in the hour

Alexstarfire ,

I don’t want to hear that Apple was right. “What’s a computer?” What isn’t these days?

frostysauce ,

I forgot how much I hated that commercial. And I hate even more that it was ahead of its time.

technom ,

I forgot that ad and had to look it up. It’s pretentious and annoying as hell.

Valmond ,

To be fair, there has been a lot of complicated stuff to know/fiddle/find out to compile even a hello world, especially on windows (I guess?).

Skillsets skillsets, when the darn thing needs jre older than the one you have installed or tiger.dll is missing, what do you do … ?

It’s always easy until it isn’t, and todays youth is probably more tech savy than what my peers was back in the nineties.

ALostInquirer ,

Skillsets skillsets, when the darn thing needs jre older than the one you have installed or tiger.dll is missing, what do you do … ?

where’s waldo.dll when you need them?

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

I saw a tweet that said something like “It’s amazing that somehow we were only able to produce a single generation that knows how to properly use computers” and now it lives rent-free in my head.

kill_dash_nine ,

It doesn’t kinda feel that way, doesn’t it?

htrayl ,

Meh, maybe 10% of a single generation at most know how to use computers. Technically savvy millenials vastly overestimate how technically savvy other millenials are.

Diasl ,

Whenever one of my closest friends (early 30s) needs help it’s like helping my grandparents.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Even if it’s just 10% of millennials, that still feels higher than both the older and younger generations. I’m in my 30s and a lot of people I went to school with can at least do basic things on the computer, since we had computer classes in primary (elementary) school and high school.

ManosTheHandsOfFate ,
@ManosTheHandsOfFate@lemmy.world avatar

I think there was a golden 20 year era for learning basic computing. If you were a kid somewhere between 1985 and 2005 you had to figure out some slightly more technical things to use a computer. I’m late Gen X and so was exposed early on to the Commodore 64 and MS-DOS, but kids working with Windows 3, 95 and 98 would have developed similar skills.

No_Eponym ,
@No_Eponym@lemmy.ca avatar

The iMac was the herald of the end.

trigonated ,

Genuinely curious: what made you think that? The iMac itself doesn’t really strike me as a “simplified” computer, but I might be missing something.

No_Eponym ,
@No_Eponym@lemmy.ca avatar

Meh, lots of Dino gaming, not a lot of computer tinkering as I recollect.

TheCheddarCheese ,
@TheCheddarCheese@lemmy.world avatar

fr, whenever i open the terminal on my school pc everyone immediately thinks im ‘hacking’

sir that is just how i update my programs

RiikkaTheIcePrincess ,
@RiikkaTheIcePrincess@pawb.social avatar

Eegh, even in high school (thirty-something Millennial here) I got that. “Woooaaahh, is that code there?!?” “Uhh… it’s an article? It’s in plain English. You know, your own native language? There’s even a class at this school called that. I know you know this because you were in that class last period. What I’m saying is, I don’t understand how the same language you just read out loud an hour ago suddenly looks like arcana on a computer screen.”

… It’s extra weird because no one ever just happened to go shoulder-surfing when I was actually programming. 🤷

WraithGear ,
@WraithGear@lemmy.world avatar

I am my companies best employee, and am now a manager for the sole reason i know how to concatenate and use find and replace in excel.

Microw ,

I don’t think the percentage for gen X is much lower. But those people simply engaged with a kind of computer technology in their youth that is irrelevant today, and had to keep up with a lot of new things since then.

spirinolas ,

I’m a millenial who does tech support in a school and I see this every day. Older people and young kids generally are pretty clueless about doing anything in a computer.

I always thought the generations after the millennials would use a computer as second nature as they would be born when computers were already everywhere. Instead, they are just as useless as boomers.

But millenials always manage the basics. And learn stuff quick when they have too. I doesn’t matter if it’s a teacher or a janitor. It’s a different mindset.

fidodo ,

Every millennial I know, knows how to use a computer.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I graduated high school class of 2005 in a random rural high school in North Carolina. Everyone in my graduating class knows how to navigate a file system, ie knows how to find homework.txt in My Documents/Homework, can type an essay in MS Word and could do a simple invoice or something in Excel. I don’t think they even offered programming classes, and I don’t think I met anyone who took CAD drafting or whatever, not until college.

mwguy ,

How else did you get music?

htrayl ,

If you mean “point and click” level of proficiency, sure.

fidodo ,

I have no idea what level of proficiency you had in mind.

fidodo ,

I also blame Apple and their walled garden approach to software

technom ,

I have a feeling that the OS in question here is Windows. Not as bad as Apple’s walled garden, but similar results.

fidodo ,

I grew up with windows and it’s sloppy implementation of a lot of things is a big reason why I got into computers because it let me fuck around with things under the hood easily. I remember messing around with the registry to do things that you couldn’t edit in the settings guis.

technom ,

Have you tried Linux or the BSDs? Having spent a lot of time on Linux and Windows, the former feels like a well oiled machine with many fine tuning screws, while the latter feels like a rusted old trunk that needs a crowbar to get anything done.

fidodo ,

Of course, Windows being so janky for power user stuff made Linux a lot easier for me to pick up in comparison

brlemworld ,

A lot of schools have Chromebooks too. You’re not doing any serious business, CAD, Photoshop, or programming there.

AProfessional ,

ChromeOS has a full Linux VM. Maybe schools disable it though.

mr_satan , in Someone needs to be reminded that anticompetitive practices are illegal
@mr_satan@monyet.cc avatar

They can prohibit whatever they want, but how enforceable is it? Does Nvidia intend to play whack a mole by checking for translation layers?

bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Nah, they’ll just pull “Nintendo move”

unionagainstdhmo ,
@unionagainstdhmo@aussie.zone avatar

If AMD and/or Intel took leadership of the project the Nintendo move wouldn’t work and they’d have to actually test it in court

stevedidwhat_infosec , in Ahh...yes...new "code-free" framework

I’m sorry what?

autokludge ,
@autokludge@programming.dev avatar

For those not in the loop: programming.dev/post/10307658

I am new to GitHub and I have lots to say

I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE FUCKING CODE! i just want to download this stupid fucking application and use it github.com/sherlock-project/sherlock#installation

WHY IS THERE CODE??? MAKE A FUCKING .EXE FILE AND GIVE IT TO ME. these dumbfucks think that everyone is a developer and understands code. well i am not and i don’t understand it. I only know to download and install applications. SO WHY THE FUCK IS THERE CODE? make an EXE file and give it to me. STUPID FUCKING SMELLY NERDS

stevedidwhat_infosec ,

Heheheheheheh this is pretty funny then

MadMadBunny ,

Damn you got me, had already forgot about that

NegativeLookBehind , in I'm not messy, I'm just efficient
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

But the pile now has to be sorted upon access, and depending on the query (such as trying to find matching socks), this will likely become wildly inefficient.

dunz ,
@dunz@feddit.nu avatar

That’s why I only own black socks, and just wear jeans, t-shirt and hoodie/shirt

mosiacmango ,

I worked with a guy who had 5 sets of the same work clothes. Wore the same outfit everyday, and yes it was all black head to toe.

I never did verify if he actually had 5 sets of clothes or just liked washing one pair everyday, but he never stank so whichever it was worked out.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I have 4 pairs of the same kacki shorts that I use for work. It’s comfy.

trk ,
@trk@aussie.zone avatar

I’ve got work “uniforms”, and weekend “uniforms”. Probably 7 or 8 changes of each, but all the work clothes are identical and all the weekend clothes are identical.

I look ageless in photos cause I always have the same stuff on, and getting dressed is so easy. Probably no good for people who care about fashion though. Glad I don’t tbh, shits expensive and wasteful.

John_McMurray ,

he probably had 25. Ive maybe 6 of one shirt, 5 of another, three or four of a few others, 15 pairs of pants. All the shirts are black, gray, black in a different material, or gray in a a different material. Pants are all black or blue. Jackets all black. 100 pairs of the same sock. I can dress in the dark and everything matches.

DreadPotato ,
@DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz avatar

That’s a ridiculous amount of clothes! 15 pairs of pants…WTF!?

I have 5 t-shirts for private use, 2 for work, 3 shirts, 2 pairs of pants and maybe 10 pairs of socks…

John_McMurray ,

They pile up over time if you buy quality clothes and stay the same size. maybe 5 are in “Oil change and mechanical work” condition now.

Sabata11792 ,
@Sabata11792@kbin.social avatar

I got 5 pairs of the same black cargo pants, and an unknown amount of black hoodies and shirts. I have to be sure to throw in a non default shirt every other day so people think I'm normal. I just think black is good enough and give off the vibe of dead inside. I don't want to be misleading.

agent_flounder ,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

We are twins.

Valmond ,

O(4)

sloppy_diffuser ,

5x work shirts, 5x work pants, bagged/black t-shirts and fisherman pants for home, all black socks. L1 cache is the drier. L2 is the shelf next to the drier. There is nothing beyond L2.

dunz ,
@dunz@feddit.nu avatar

I just wear band-shirts, black Levis 501 jeans and hoodies/plaid shirts. Cargo shorts in the summer, idgaf if I’m fashionable. I like the way I dress, so does my SO 😃

Rinn ,

…wait, you just throw socks onto the pile without putting matching pairs together beforehand? I’ve learned that an alternate universe exists, and I’m not okay with it.

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

You half-ass the folding of your clothes and then throw them into a pile anyway?

Revan343 ,

I roll the ankles together when I take them off, then wash them like that. They usually come out of the dryer still together

NegativeLookBehind ,
@NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a good idea!

FooBarrington ,

“Sorted upon access”? When adding to the pile, I make sure I can still see a piece of every article of clothing. Random access is only grabbing and yanking.

Adding is O(n log n), removing is O(1)

DrRatso , (edited )

You could either have socks already in pairs at drying time (we hangdry so we do this, just hang them together and when taking off, fold one into the other, they will not separate accidentally). Alternatively you could have all the same socks and not care.

Alternatively, you can just not care if yours socks match. I only care for my business socks because a) they all have silly designs and b) My line of work calls for a slight bit of professionalism in appearance, so I try to style my hair, clean up my facial hair and at least have matching socks, goofy as they might be. Thank god I don’t have to wear a suit.

ptz , in Someone needs to be reminded that anticompetitive practices are illegal
@ptz@dubvee.org avatar

Save us, EU. You’re our only hope. Sincerely, USA

9point6 ,

This keeps happening—can you lot make some laws for a change?

Edit: oh wait not like that

xmunk ,

It’s cool I fixed it now.

America, moments after outlawing IVF

Just as an aside, I’m an American that emigrated to Canada. My province (BC) is currently passing a law to make one attempt at IVF free for everyone (starting midyear in 2025)… laws actually can be used for good.

PoolloverNathan ,

In America, laws can also be used for good. Just not your good.

Quadhammer ,

Yeah this is cool and all but how can it benefit the wealthiest people in the country more? ✊💦✊💦

crispy_kilt ,

I’m very happy to hear that at least some in the US understand what is being done to them

nilloc ,

Lots of us know, but we mostly live in urban centers where life is better (and often a bit less car centric, for example). Our voting and election finance laws erase lots of our voices.

Just be lucky that when motivated, we still vastly outvote the right wing nuts.

dan , (edited )
@dan@upvote.au avatar

California tries its best… There’s a bunch of pro-consumer laws that other states don’t have. There’s the CCPA which is similar to GDPR (including the right to know and the right to be forgotten). You must be able to cancel a service easily online if you can sign up online. Store gift cards aren’t allowed to have expiration dates. Gift cards with less than $10 on them must be redeemable for cash. Stricter laws against false advertising. And a bunch of other useful laws.

Not as good as the Australian Consumer Law, but better than pretty much every other US state.

Zorsith ,
@Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Ohio does not permit restock fees. The only catch is that it’s Ohio.

CanadaPlus ,

Canada, too. We’re somehow even more feckless at anti-trust.

Tlaloc_Temporal ,

I’m still amazed that I’d never heard about Nortel until this year.

soggy_kitty ,

Cries in britland

crispy_kilt ,

You are welcome to rejoin

HerrLewakaas ,

Actually probably not. Not without major concessions. The pound will have to go which they will never accept unless they have absolutely no other choice

Rubanski ,

Why does the pound have to go?

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

Yeah I’m confused about this statement… There’s several EU countries that don’t use the Euro, like Poland and Czechia.

Rinox ,

Some joined when the rules stated that you could choose. Some others are just waiting to meet conditions that will allow them to enter the Eurozone (like Croatia did last year)

MaggiWuerze ,

Because countries that join nowadays have to adopt the Euro. Denmark, for example, joined when that was still allowed, so they still have their DK.

Flax_vert ,

Apparently it’s dependent on the signing of a certain agreement before a certain date, which the UK did sign, so it’s actually debated on whether or not Brexit made that signature null or not.

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

That would be such a mistake and only serve to cause more division, because as you say, the UK would never accept it. Neither would multiple countries already in the EU that also use their own currency.

The EU, generally, are pragmatic. They’d much rather get other concessions than wasting political capital on trying to enforce the Euro on the UK.

E: downvote all you like, but that’s realpolitik. The EU isn’t going to pass up the second largest economy in the continent over something so trivial that they don’t even pressure much smaller countries into it. Pure fantasy from people who don’t have a clue.

crispy_kilt ,

The concessions are the same as for any other EU member, which is fair

Flax_vert ,

The UK adopts various EU rules, a lot of stuff even sold in Northern Ireland has to abide by EU rules (so just say that Apple did make separate lightning and USB C phones, they’d have to use separate operations to sell specific ones in parts of the UK and not others, it probably would have been easier for them to just sell the European models)

Kidplayer_666 ,

Hey, y’all did a good job with the FAIR act. Keep working on it

uis , (edited )

EU, we need your bunker-penetrating rockets. Sincerely, Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians.

PhlubbaDubba , in Rust coin

It’s mining for more crates to convince you to put in your config

OpenStars , in Ahh...yes...new "code-free" framework
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Replaces the older .com format, also compatible with the .bat and .lnk wrappers too.

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