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MEGA THREAD - Trump shot but safe, 2 others killed at PA rally

WHAT

  • Former U.S. President Donald J. Trump was shot at a rally in PA.

TRUMPS STATEMENT

“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW SO FAR

  • gunman is dead
  • Trump "is fine"
  • one attendee is dead
  • another attendee is in critical condition

News Sources

TheDemonBuer ,
@TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world avatar

The great recession, a global pandemic, and now a second American civil war. I want off this train.

danc4498 ,

*bullet train

KingJalopy ,

Daaaamn

otp ,

They don’t have those in the US. They went with mega highways instead

jeffw ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

And a lot of bullets. We have those

otp ,

Ah. The American bullet train – an outdated and slow train carrying excessive amounts of ammunition!

jeffw ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

whaddaya know, I guess we do have bullet trains

FollyDolly ,
@FollyDolly@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget the climate change!

Muffi ,

And not a single of those things will matter or be remembered after the great climate collapse.

fin ,

Only if it was a little bit to the right…

I hope Biden is safe btw, he can be the target of the armored right-winged people

Suavevillain ,
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

I was hoping for a post game interview ngl.

FireTower ,
@FireTower@lemmy.world avatar

Biden added: “Jill and I are grateful to the Secret Service for getting him to safety. There’s no place for this kind of violence in America. We must unite as one nation to condemn it,”

reuters.com/…/biden-says-he-is-grateful-hear-trum…

JonsJava OP ,
@JonsJava@lemmy.world avatar

I added that to the mega thread. Thanks!

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Must the Democrats champion good manners ALL the time? Jesus Christ he’s a fascist! Fuck good sportsmanship!

Who the fuck are you trying to impress? Who’s going to consider this the moment they vote for Biden over Trump?

“Violence has no place in America.”

Cops killing citizens. Native genocide. Genocide in Palestine. Protesters being beaten. People using their “rights” being arrested and killed. Slow socially accepted murder caused by poverty. Rights for Queer youth being taken away, which leads to self harm.

Why do they just give “thoughts and prayers” to Hitler 2.0? Trump isn’t going to be kind with this, he’ll start saying every Democrat is responsible for this. Fuck the “higher moral ground”.

praise_idleness ,

Because like it or not saying “Too bad you didn’t die from that” will not only lose moral high ground but also already-can’t-aford-to-lose votes?

Are you suddenly pro-violence because one is a someone you think is the Hitler 2.0? I get the sentiment but I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what Jan 6 people would say to Joe.

Don’t fuck the higher moral ground. Why be them to fight them? Celebrating public shooting is doing more than just losing moral highground…

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

“Thoughts and prayers to the man who wishes to make America a fascist dictatorship because of Russia. It’d be rude to wish that man dead.”

Violence to fascists is self defense for minorities, especially ones like me. I bet you if Trump died, the Mexicans locked in cages at the border would cheer. I would.

beetlejuice0001 ,

When Trump starts calling for certain politicians to be unalive and even gets the ok from the Supreme Court, I hope all the people crying about the moral high ground remember this moment

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

They’ll say we’re the true monsters for wishing the camp guards to keel over and die as we dig our mass graves.

MagicShel ,

Take some solace in the fact that thoughts and prayers are laughably useless. It’s just “well isn’t that a shame” only somehow society hasn’t caught on that it’s a fucking joke.

Azzu ,

Do you really think that Trump wouldn’t be replaced by a more evil and intelligent republican, and then win because of Trump being a martyr?

The republicans have Trump as a runner because he’s the only one who has any chance or winning. As soon as he’s politically-motivated murdered, that changes completely. It’d be even scarier to have an actual smart fascist at the helm.

Scubus ,

That makes so much sense! Hitler had to commit suicide because no one else could execute him without risking losing the moral high ground! I can’t believe I never realized that!

praise_idleness ,

We have other means to stop Trump. If he gets elected and becomes Hitler 2.0 dictator as advertised and that there’s no other way to stop him I’d say go for it. Heck, I think constitution would too.

prole ,

So you don’t understand the Trolley Problem? I’m not sure the “moral high ground” is necessarily what you think it is in this case.

Tryptaminev ,

This is not the trolley problem. The question is not kill Trump or. The killing attempt failed. Trump is alive. There is nothing to gain by advocating for political violence after a failed assassination attempt.

prole ,

If this was an assassination attempt on Hitler in 1939, would the trolley problem not apply? If the attempt succeeded before his successful rise to power, how many lives would have ultimately been saved?

I don’t think you can say either way for sure which outcome would lead to less bloodshed… I do know that trying and missing is probably the worst possible outcome…

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

Don’t forget allowing abortion bans so teen and child rape victims are forced to give birth to their rapists’ babies. And Tuskegee. And lack of healthcare access which kinda eugenics disabled people. And the CIA. Guantanamo. The government’s response to the AIDs epidemic.

prole ,

Capitalism literally doesn’t exist without violence and the constant threat of it

surfrock66 ,
@surfrock66@lemmy.world avatar

I mean this is the world he wants, you can’t dog whistle people to take up arms against tyranny without a comfortable acceptance of the irony pool you are filling. Everyone will try to spin this to their political advantage but the truth is this is the level of political discourse the right has been driving towards.

blanketswithsmallpox ,

It’s full one leopardsatemyface levels of karma. Nearly everyone I know left or right was like damnit, they misse lol.

madcaesar ,

Trump’s rhetoric almost lead to Pelosi getting killed. Trump’s rhetoric got people killed on Jan 6th. Republicans have been posting images with crosshairs of their opponents for years, and now they are surprised that shit is turning violent…

v9CYKjLeia10dZpz88iU ,

I was looking for other angles, but haven’t found any yet. There’s clearly lots of people recording in the video broadcast by CNN. I did find the following though.

JonsJava OP ,
@JonsJava@lemmy.world avatar

I added some of yours to the mega thread - the ones not directly depicting death.

ResoluteCatnap ,

this BBC interview with a guy outside the security perimeter who claims he saw the shooter before he fired is absolutely wild

Wow, you weren’t kidding

ABCDE ,

Sounds like it was pretty amateur hour with the police and security. Nuts he was there for minutes and they didn’t do anything.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Not really. The guy who saw the shooter also said that nobody, including him, could see the shooter clearly as he was climbing up the other side of the roof. What the guy mostly saw was the rifle (that was slung on the shooter’s back) wiggling back and forth as the shooter crawled up the roof to the peak.

ABCDE ,

No, they didn’t, and the video footage they have of the guy contradicts you completely. Watch the interview and check the footage again.

www.bbc.com/news/live/cljy6yz1j6gt?post=asset%3Ad…

“We were telling the police, we were pointing at him for the Secret Service,” he told the BBC’s reporter at the scene, Gary O’Donoghue.

rambling_lunatic ,

You’re Jake Rosen?

v9CYKjLeia10dZpz88iU ,

No, I was just quoting/linking to the sources. I don’t follow or know what type of content they normally create.

rambling_lunatic ,

Ah ok

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

That BBC interview is insane

drunkpostdisaster ,

Don’t forget it’s not over after November. There are more elections and more chances to turn this around and save our country.

tiefling ,

Are there? He’s made it clear he wants to do away with anything resembling democracy. What elections do you think are going to survive white christofascism

drunkpostdisaster ,

We still got mid terms. If not, then we still got violence.

MagicShel ,

If we don’t have enough numbers to beat him at the polling booth, we sure don’t have the numbers to beat his followers and the armed forces combined. Violence seems unlikely to prevail.

We have to beat him on Election Day.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Would be true, but we do not use the popular vote. Besides, if he does win what do you suggest we do? Because we got to look at it as a real possibility or even the most likely outcome.

qevlarr ,
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

Mehdi Hassan lays out the irony of Republicans saying they don’t condone violence and want to pin this on Biden:

zeteo.com/…/did-donald-trump-just-win-the-electio…

FelixCress ,

Was the shooter name Johann Georg Elser by any chance?

kylie_kraft ,

If you’re planning to take out an aspiring despot, you better be damn sure of your shot

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

I don’t think your advocating for or celebrating violence, but this comment is probably going to be taken that way and deleted. I totally agree with your point though, a failed assassination attempt is probably the worst thing you can do to a guy who wants to destroy democracy.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

All things being equal, I am glad that the assassin failed. I am no fan of Trump by any measure. I wish, every day, that Trump would just go away and stay out of politics.

I feel that assassinating someone like Trump would only intensify the right-wing’s rhetoric and make things worse in the long run. I also feel that whomever would replace Trump would be far much worse than Trump himself. It’s a lose-lose either way.

No, the appropriate thing to do is to vote these bastards out of office. I fear the worst, that maybe we’re going to fail doing that; we’re what, 4 months away from the election and we’re talking about replacing Biden, but NOBODY has said with whom? Yeah that’s confidence inspiring.

My doomer mentality aside, I do still hope I’m wrong, and that democracy and justice will prevail. But dammit if the “good guys” aren’t bending over backwards to make that hard to believe.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

There really isn’t another popular candidate to step in and replace him.

peopleproblems ,

And there can’t be. It’s damn near a requirement for totalitarian power.

rebelsimile ,

North Korea’s on their third dear fucking Kim.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

we’re talking about replacing Biden, but NOBODY has said with whom?

People have said over, and over, and over that it would be Harris. She is beating both Trump and Biden in the polls, is able to take over the Biden-Harris campaign funds with minimal legal dispute, she appeals more to women, independents, black voters etc.

It’s not a question. She’s not ideal, but she actually stands a chance to beat Trump. Biden does not, especially now. It would be Harris. Now you know.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

I have heard that mentionedonce or twice, but never concretely. Most of what I’ve been seeing is that “Biden should step down,” and nothing more.

Either way, the last thing the Democratic Party needs right now is more fragmentation. If they’re going to replace Biden, just fucking do it already. If not, shut the fuck up about it. Time is ticking, and it’s not on our side.

4 months is not a long time to campaign. We’re already halfway through July. This should’ve been figured out long ago.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

I have heard that mentionedonce or twice, but never concretely. Most of what I’ve been seeing is that “Biden should step down,” and nothing more.

Because that’s the order of operations. But if you having only heard it twice is because you’re not paying attention, not because people haven’t been talking about it.

Biden has already fragmented the party, he simply cannot win. It’s not viable. No one can force him to leave. And no, people should not “shut the fuck up about it” since doing so means Democrats will lose for sure. Democrats will unify more behind any candidate who is not as polarizing and alienating as Biden. If he stays in past the convention then you can start telling people to shut the fuck up, but until the convention is over people should be doing everything they can to convince him to leave.

Wrench ,

It’s going to mobilize his violent base anyway. We have some rough times ahead of us. I fully expect rampant domestic terrorism to increase as a result of this.

Cocodapuf ,

I feel that assassinating someone like Trump would only intensify the right-wing’s rhetoric and make things worse in the long run.

I hear that a lot, but I honestly don’t see how. The man is toxic to the core, he consistently takes all the sanity out of public conversation. An America without him is just less crazy and less angry.

alekwithak ,

“If you come for the throne you best not miss” or something like that

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

After thinking about this…offing him will do nothing to stop the creep of facism. You have an entire party now aligned with the idealogices that the 3rd Reich had. And it’s the entire party. MAGA killed the GOP after they got rid of Cheney. You cut one head off and 3 more will pop up identical to him…with vindication. Its going to be a yearly struggle and I fear we won’t be able to hold the line forever

cabron_offsets ,

Offing him would be a pretty stark warning that tyranny comes at a price. As the kids say, “fuck around and find out”.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Nah they wouldn’t be scared. Just more emboldened. They have an entire political party now that feels the same way they do

jj122 ,

It took one bullet to stop an insurrection. Fascists are cowards, if the consequences were death or life in prison, they would stop.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

A federal execution would be, maybe.

Good luck seeing that happen.

If he had died today he’d be a martyr. We don’t need a martyr… and he’s gonna ham it up as he if he were.

This was an incredibly stupid thing to do.

return2ozma ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

What a historically crazy day.

oxjox ,
@oxjox@lemmy.ml avatar

Welp, seems like that’s it boys. Trump’s got this all locked up.

JonsJava OP ,
@JonsJava@lemmy.world avatar

God, but I wish I could say this won’t help him, but I’d be an idiot if I did.

brucethemoose ,

I think it’s worse than that.

It’s going to motivate even more movement in house/senate races. I think this is a guarantee that the legislative branch turns total trump.

skeezix ,

Yes. This will fire up the rabid maga base far beyond anything else that could have happened

morphballganon ,

Eh, the people who will see this as a reason to vote for him were planning to do so already.

nickhammes ,

I don’t think it changes anyone’s mind, but it could affect who shows up to vote.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yup. After Reagan was shot there was a shit ton of sympathy surrounding him (and Brady, who ended up in a wheelchair).

e to add – that was 43 years ago. O.O

vividspecter ,

e to add – that was 43 years ago. O.O

In some ways, not much has changed since then. Reagan started his presidential campaign in an openly racist area of Mississippi with his State’s Rights speech and the footage of the event looks a lot like a Trump rally.

girlfreddy ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Reagan and the Moral Majority. Good times.

/s

vividspecter ,

I don’t think it changes anyone’s mind, but it could affect who shows up to vote.

On the plus side, increases in turnout generally favour the Democrats (which is why voter suppression by the Republican party is a thing). You’d think that would apply differently here given the context, but maybe the general population will start seeing the election with the seriousness it deserves.

Eccentric ,

I could see someone saying “well I don’t really agree with Trump’s extremism but at least Trump supporters haven’t tried to kill Biden so maybe the left is the problem”. It’s not as easy to wave his fearmongering ravings about the left off as conspiracy theories–someone on the left (I assume) actually tried to kill him. He’s a martyr now.

I really truly want to hope that you’re right but damn if this doesn’t make me super pessimistic about Biden’s already shaky support.

Mountain_Mike_420 ,

Why do you think this event makes it so?

Jimmyeatsausage ,

I have no reason to suspect this was staged but,I mean, it’s a pretty compelling fit to the current narrative… Trump strong, Biden old and feeble. Plus, all that coverage of Project 2025, “Trump’s big weakness,” just died with that first gunshot. Evangelicals will eat this up with their “he’s Chosen” LARP. I can already imagine the “bulletproof” NFT trading card series…

As long as Trump doesn’t die of a heart attack, this is only going to help him.

vxx ,

So that’s the song the trolls will sing for the coming weeks?

Catoblepas ,

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together should be worried about this helping him.

PugJesus ,

“This event helps him” and “Trump victory is inevitable” are two entirely different things

Catoblepas ,

I’d love to be wrong, but the polls were already grim. How many beatings do Biden’s numbers take before (general) you call it inevitable?

The polls in October/November matter way more than the polls now, of course. It’s just difficult to not see this as one more thing in a string of bad news.

PugJesus ,

I think this means that getting a new Dem candidate has gone from “Vital” to “Literally impossible to do without”.

catloaf ,

Trump is about to get a lot of airtime. Any change in candidate now is going to be massively overshadowed.

PugJesus ,

Even better. Biden stepping down now can be quiet. We don’t choose our candidate for another month.

ComicalMayhem ,

new Dem candidate won’t have the time to gain the traction they need. they won’t have the chance. very unfortunate but the time for a new candidate is passed imo.

PugJesus ,

We don’t have a choice. Public perception of Biden is too severely damaged. We take this hail mary and change candidates, or we lose.

58008 ,
@58008@lemmy.world avatar

Dark times (including a now virtually guaranteed Trump presidency) ahead.

RIP to the USA.

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

Care to explain where your certainty is coming from?

PugJesus ,

Biden’s poor polling combined with the tendency of those with assassination attempts against them being seen as martyrs.

On the contrary, I’m hoping that this is what it takes to make the polls look ugly enough to Biden that he finally steps down.

foggy ,

Aha! Surprise! WWIII!

Even more common to a president to remain president during active war!

God this timeline sucks.

PPQ ,

History…?

ComicalMayhem ,

repeats…?

Riccosuave ,
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

It makes him a martyr. Biden was already an extremely weak leader with a massive public perception problem. Trump surviving an assassination attempt while defiantly pumping his fist in the air is the clarion call for Amerikan Fascism.

Biden was already losing in every single swing state. I believe his existing chances before this event for winning reelection were somewhere around 10% at best. This obliterated those chances entirely. The average person is dumb as fuck, and they will vote for strong man leadership. It is a generational mind virus that rises up over and over again in the human psyche. This generation will be no different.

ComicalMayhem ,

I hate this reality. really hoping those polls are inaccurate.

Riccosuave ,
@Riccosuave@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not a fan either.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Something happened with Reagan. Dip shits will see him as a martyr and rally hard behind him.

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

So people who were going to vote for the orange fuck are now going to vote for the orange fuck? How does that move the needle?

KingJalopy ,

More* dumb fucks will now vote probably.

JonsJava OP ,
@JonsJava@lemmy.world avatar

People who would sit at home and not vote may be more likely to vote. I hope every able person votes, but this may turn the tide if the other side doesn’t turn out in full force.

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

We’re 4 months out, that’s a long time in politics.

Wxnzxn ,
@Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml avatar

Two main effects are to be expected: More people leaning towards him, that might not have gone to the polls out of whatever reason (lacking enthusiasm for example) will be more fired up to go vote, and his base will be more fired up to support him in grassroots campaigning. Also, some undecided voters will likely switch from the martyrdom narrative.

IchNichtenLichten ,
@IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world avatar

His base is already motivated, they were going to turn out regardless.

There’s a lot of conjecture, you may or may not be correct but I was taking issue with OP’s

a now virtually guaranteed Trump presidency

That’s just fucking nonsense IMO.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

No, it’s the undecideds that need just one reason are the ones you have to worry about.

BedSharkPal ,

We’ll see now this just wouldn’t have happened if they let the attendees bring their guns now would it?

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