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MEGA THREAD - Trump shot but safe, 2 others killed at PA rally

WHAT

  • Former U.S. President Donald J. Trump was shot at a rally in PA.

TRUMPS STATEMENT

“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW SO FAR

  • gunman is dead
  • Trump "is fine"
  • one attendee is dead
  • another attendee is in critical condition

News Sources

Audacious ,

I was excited at first, then sad. Trump’s death would be the only way american people get justice as he’s clearly above the law. Can’t believe all the news hasn’t called him felon trump, instead calling him president trump, dropping the former.

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

kansascitydefender.com/…/trump-shooting-antifa-co…

Right-Wing Accounts Launch Mark Violets Antifa Conspiracy in Light of Trump “Assassination Attempt

Please note this is a DEBUNKED conspiracy per the link above, the shooter’s identity is unknown at this time

kabe , (edited )
@kabe@lemmy.world avatar

Shooter appears to be a white male, aged 20s or early 30s by the look of it. The t-shirt he was wearing is allegedly marked with branding for a firearms-related YouTube channel.

x.com/Shadi_Alkasim/status/1812315218258833590

Edit: Possible suspects are either Maxwell Yearick, previously arrested while demonstrating against Trump in Pittsburgh on a previous occasion, or a Thomas Matthew Crooks, according to the NY Post.

Hasn’t been officially ID’d yet though, so still speculation.

NotAnotherLemmyUser , (edited )

Looks like Thomas Matthews Crooks is not the right guy

Edit 2: but there are a lot of images/videos of the wrong guy going around.

He posted a video saying “you’ve got the wrong guy” but looks like he’s been talking to lawyers and decided to make his whole account private now".

youtube.com/shorts/DM9SVbojbl4

https://x.com/ValorMG/status/1812357749784936512

Edit: Maybe? It could be that the name is correct, but the guy you see in the video is definitely not him.

kabe ,
@kabe@lemmy.world avatar

All the major outlets are reporting that the FBI confirms it’s him now. Very confusing, all round.

archive.is/…/fbi-identifies-thomas-matthew-crooks…

archive.is/20240714055509/https://…/74396853007/

NotAnotherLemmyUser ,

I see a lot of outlets claiming that the FBI identified him, but I don’t see any actual statements from the FBI themselves (beyond a statement asking for more information from the public). Skimming through the various articles with his name and I can’t find any links to an actual source either. I might have missed a video somewhere.

It could be that the name is correct, and this guy was baiting journalists into showing his picture and lying about his real name.

Wrench ,

To be fair, I would label anyone trying to kill Hitler as an anti fascist. Unless it’s someone trying to take over in his place, at least.

SeaJ ,

Many of the people trying to kill Hitler were fellow fascists.

BedSharkPal ,

We’ll see now this just wouldn’t have happened if they let the attendees bring their guns now would it?

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

After thinking about this…offing him will do nothing to stop the creep of facism. You have an entire party now aligned with the idealogices that the 3rd Reich had. And it’s the entire party. MAGA killed the GOP after they got rid of Cheney. You cut one head off and 3 more will pop up identical to him…with vindication. Its going to be a yearly struggle and I fear we won’t be able to hold the line forever

cabron_offsets ,

Offing him would be a pretty stark warning that tyranny comes at a price. As the kids say, “fuck around and find out”.

DoucheBagMcSwag ,

Nah they wouldn’t be scared. Just more emboldened. They have an entire political party now that feels the same way they do

jj122 ,

It took one bullet to stop an insurrection. Fascists are cowards, if the consequences were death or life in prison, they would stop.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

A federal execution would be, maybe.

Good luck seeing that happen.

If he had died today he’d be a martyr. We don’t need a martyr… and he’s gonna ham it up as he if he were.

This was an incredibly stupid thing to do.

Soltros ,

What peeves me is that the right are all clutching their pearls about anyone who says anything other than blind Trump sympathy. Don’t get me wrong, political violence is wrong. But, remember this:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/00272d4b-7e6c-4a9e-b788-88ec2d8882a9.jpeg

When Paul Pelosi got his face bashed in with a hammer, the right made fun of it. Mocked him. Idk, man.

kescusay ,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

That shit was amazingly disgusting. And yeah, Trump gets no sympathy from me. But I won’t call for his death, either. I want him to live a very long time. In prison.

HappycamperNZ ,

What about half way.

Permanent disability, less ability to look after himself, a lifetime in pain.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

I’d be happy with aggressive pancreatic cancer, because it will feel like a lifetime for him and shut him up faster.

ZILtoid1991 ,

There are people on the right, that would call you out on even that. They’re gaslighting anyone left of Mussolini on what are the rules they should be following.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

He can still incite violence and rally his base from prison.

kescusay ,
@kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

Not if he can’t get on video. The man’s bizarre hold on his base is all about his verbal delivery. If he has to rely on written messages, he can’t verbally circumvent the higher brain function in his victims and they’re more likely to actually become aware that his messages are gibberish.

ByteOnBikes ,

This is what is so frustrating.

Conservatives call for violence; Call for rising up; Literally calling themselves DOMESTIC TERRORISTS: Absolutely a nothing burger. Just a bunch of locker room talk. Relax that’s normal conservative speech.

Liberals blinking aggressively: WHY ARENT YOU MORE TOLERANT BE BETTER.

BonesOfTheMoon ,

Omigod I didn’t know about this.

SeaJ ,

Have we considered that the gunman might be a jilted lover? /s

Delusional ,

Maybe it was the father of one of the children trump raped.

CasualPenguin ,

Or how about when he said that if he lost to Clinton:

“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

return2ozma ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

What a historically crazy day.

LifeInMultipleChoice ,

Guy tries to overthrow the country, and people are worried that someone tried to kill him. What is wrong with this world. If people aren’t trying to kill him we have something to worried about.

The justice system failed to arrest and detain the suspect and keep him imprisoned until charged properly. This isn’t a failure of the people, it is a failure of the government.

Cryophilia ,

We’re worried because of what will happen in retaliation.

echodot ,

I’m sure he will spin it into some grand conspiracy with very little evidence behind it. But his lunatic supporters don’t really need evidence of conspiracies so I’m not sure it’ll change anything very much.

Now if the bullet had hit him that would be a very different thing.

blanketswithsmallpox ,

True, unlike the packed supreme court, literal attempt at insurrection, already #1 terrorists in the USA according to the DHS and FBI…

zbyte64 ,

More like Gabby Gifford.

Tier1BuildABear ,
@Tier1BuildABear@lemmy.world avatar

Some countries deserve to have the government overthrown

slickgoat ,

There is something seriously wrong with American politics. Trump is evil - not a word I throw around lightly - but this shooting has all but guaranteed a win for him in November.

He’s clinched it. He’s going to be King.

ProtecyaTec ,

Nobody is changing their vote over this… Like, the Democrats have been entrenched in “Not Trump” since the word GO, blue out numbers red and they know what’s at stake.

slickgoat ,

The election is won or lost in the middle, not red or blue. It is the undecided and the ones considering voting who really matters.

We tend to be the engaged voters who know what we are going to do with certainty. But, you can judge the polls by looking in the mirror.

ProtecyaTec ,

There’s no wide middle, who is actually still undecisive in this election? Actual people, IRL I want to meet them. Not some twitter jockeys or media talking heads, not some podcast. Actual voters.

slickgoat ,

So you believe that everyone is already decided?

ProtecyaTec ,

Probably not every single solitary person, but the majority. I think politics have been too divisive to the point where the middle is too slim to make a difference. These aren’t new political candidates. Nothing has changed.

slickgoat ,

So, who’s going to win? And by roughly what degree?

ProtecyaTec ,

The Dems are going to win. It’s painfully clear that Trump (and his cabinet members) are unfit to lead and do not have the best interest of our nation’s people. We’ll have to wait til November to what degree that is.

oxjox ,
@oxjox@lemmy.ml avatar

You say that as if all registered voters cast a vote for every election.

This will, at least, energize the R party to vote in numbers we have yet to see. Meanwhile, you’ve got apathetic D voters who really don’t want Biden to be president. It’s not about changing voters’ votes - our elections are never about that - t’s about the number of people who cast a vote.

Until now, I’ve been very much in the camp of promoting all the things Biden has done to convince voters he’s still worth supporting. Yesterday’s event changes that. The DNC needs to combat this pending influx of voters with an invigorating candidate.

ProtecyaTec ,

…you’ve got apathetic D voters who really don’t want Biden to be president.

Let’s be real, nobody wants Biden to run again, on either side. That being said, every Democrat knows what’s at stake - and that’s Donald fucking Trump. This situation doesn’t change who DT is, his viewpoints, or his policies. The actual people, the actual voters realize that DT is just a way worse situation.

It’s not about changing voters’ votes - our elections are never about that - t’s about the number of people who cast a vote.

This nothingburger of a scene isn’t going to stop some Democrat from voting. At the end of the day, there are more Blue than Red and the Dems are entrenched in not having DT in office. I don’t even live in a big city, a red county even, and everyone I’ve talked to in person understands the stakes.

Yesterday’s event changes that.

Why would yesterdays events change your viewpoints on Turmp? How does that change his awful policies and degressive viewpoints? How does that change him being an actual Felon and suspected pedophile?

dactylotheca ,
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

Saying this will change nothing is just as myopic as saying this’ll guarantee a Trump victory

ProtecyaTec ,

There’s no real substance behind the idea that this guarantees a red victory. No Democrat who was against Trump before is going to realistically change their view over Trump over this situation. It doesn’t change who Trump is or what he stands for. If this achieves anything, it will be to incite violence.

You’ll also take notice many of the accounts parroting this nonsense are not old accounts. Usually, these accounts were just botted to repost news articles or memes and only just recently started commenting. It’s a strange pattern I’m seeing across multiple threads.

dactylotheca ,
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

I don’t think people mean that D voters will suddenly vote from Trump because somebody tried to murk him, but that it might get sympathy from swing voters. If that’d have any real effect on the outcome is anybody’s guess, but I’d wager it probably won’t matter all that much.

But yeah, in any case I figure that – like you said – the most “visible” outcome of this will be more political violence from the right.

ProtecyaTec ,

sympathy from swing voters

I would think that the number of actual swing voters is extremely low. The last few years of politics have been very divisive (probably an understatement), more so than anything in my lifetime. At this point, I haven’t heard anyone IRL not have their political compass already pointed. Democrats have been dug in against DT since he announced he was running again. Rs have been dug in for DT since he announced he was running again.

dactylotheca ,
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

Frankly I’d tend to agree, it doesn’t seem likely there’d be a lot of them exactly because… well, gestures around broadly

But now that I think about this, even though the effect on swing voters could well be pretty inconsequential, the shooting might well “reactivate” some Republicans who weren’t necessarily going to vote – although I’ve understood that their turnout is often a higher than the Dems’, it’s still not 100%. Now whether that is likely or what the size of the effect could be isn’t something I’m really qualified to speculate on, I’m just a random Yuropean who woke up this morning to find that while I was sleeping somebody apparently tried to murk Trump.

FelixCress ,

Was the shooter name Johann Georg Elser by any chance?

Etterra ,

I look forward to finding out what the shooters motivations are. I don’t personally expect it to be a left-wing partisan but something else, though I’ll refrain from speculating here. Let’s just say that there current Republican party tends to infight - to try and eat itself any time it senses weakness or deviance from the cult’s marching orders.

Once law enforcement announced the shooter’s identity and the world gets to dig into his social media and communications data… Well I guess we shall see.

SeaJ , (edited )

It’s a 20 year old white guy who was a registered Republican according to the NY Post. But he also gave $15 to The Progressive Turnout Project. According to reports, his dad bought him the rifle a few weeks ago.

www.usatoday.com/story/news/…/74397935007/

Etterra ,

Yep. Not exactly what I was expecting, but pretty damn close. I had suspected an unstable, disillusioned red hat, and I was not disappointed.

Hugh_Jeggs ,

Any word on how the attendees got shot? Can’t see anything in articles

SeaJ , (edited )

Well there were four five to seven gunshots shot from a rooftop. Going to guess two of those hit a couple attendees.

Hugh_Jeggs ,

Hit a couple attending, or hit a couple of attendees?

SeaJ , (edited )

A couple of attendees.

The guy killed, Corey Comperatore, was shielding his family from gun shots. He was a 50 year old volunteer firefighter.

reuters.com/…/trump-rally-shooting-victim-identif…

qevlarr ,
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

Mehdi Hassan lays out the irony of Republicans saying they don’t condone violence and want to pin this on Biden:

zeteo.com/…/did-donald-trump-just-win-the-electio…

Snapz ,

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    Tryptaminev ,

    You thinking the secret service would conspire with Trump to stage an assassination attempt is absurd.

    The rest is very simply answered with people under shock do not act rationally

    Snapz ,

    Reading is fundamental: vox.com/…/secret-service-text-messages-january-6

    And trained secret service agents are not “people under shock” they are deliberately trained solely to activate and thrive in these exact moments.

    dactylotheca ,
    @dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

    Reading is fundamental: vox.com/…/secret-service-text-messages-january-6

    I love it when people think that the only reason someone wouldn’t agree with them is because they’re uninformed or stupid. It couldn’t possibly be that people could disagree with your premises, it’s definitely just that they aren’t informed enough to agree with your galaxy brain take

    Emmie ,

    Wow you are so calm and level-headed. I would be tempted for twice at least for a good measure. What if they missed it?

    TheDannysaur ,

    This is the dumbest shit and we need to fucking grow up a bit. These “questions” are asinine and not that hard to explain.

    1. Not denying the incident was reported, but there’s a heavy insinuation here that this was set up or manufactured. If so… They needed an entire Secret Service detail, local event police and everyone standing by to be in on it. A couple hundred people are going to be involved and no one leaks it?
    2. “Supposed” gunman. I like how you pivot from “this is probably set up” to “ok even if it was real Trump is capable of worse”
    3. Again, the insinuation of an inside job here. We’re going to involve a hundred or more people and no one thought it would be a problem to kill a bystander? Or the gunman was so good he killed a specific plant? And they had a 100% success rate… No one heard the plan and thought “oh this is a bad idea” and spoke out about it?
    4. Big difference between deleting text messages and MURDERING AN AMERICAN to further a political agenda.
    5. Yes. Things happen all the time. Trump people are saying this is to distract from Biden being inept. There’s always a convenient time.
    6. Yes you dumbshit he was concerned about his hat because they already had the all clear. The shooter got taken out in seconds. They wouldn’t have moved Trump. And they all were saying it was all clear. Also have you ever seen people in an absolute panic? Not the most rational state. Same thing with his shoes. That’s ALSO why he took the photo op. They all dove on top of him. They figured out the shooter’s location and took him down before Trump even got up.

    There’s pictures of the fucking bullet in flight. So either that was ALSO manufactured (a member of the press willingly heard the plan ahead of time and doctored a photo or they actually shot a bullet inches away from Trumps head AND captured it). But no let’s just get Trump, a bumbly ass fuck to orchestrate this perfectly. I’m sure he had it a planned to go down, and everyone covered him and he pulled out a razor blade, cut his ear, and put it away, all perfectly executed and no one caught anything on camera from any of the dozens of angles.

    This shit is so fucking stupid and I’m so sick of hearing about it. These points all rely on the most ass backwards way of thinking where dozens of people are in on this conspiracy and relies on all of them bring cool with killing someone to make it good for Trump.

    Get this shit outta here. This doesn’t deserve the pixels on the screen used to illuminate this nonsense. Be a fucking grown up. We’re going to have to figure out a real way to beat Trump, not pretend this was some false flag bullshit. Accept reality. Be a goddamn adult.

    I’m not even saying you’re wrong for questioning, but I am saying you are wrong because the sheer volume of things that would need to occur for this theory to be even remotely possible is so ridiculous, I would consider aliens an equally plausible situation.

    Suavevillain ,
    @Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

    I was hoping for a post game interview ngl.

    fin ,

    Only if it was a little bit to the right…

    I hope Biden is safe btw, he can be the target of the armored right-winged people

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