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MEGA THREAD - Trump shot but safe, 2 others killed at PA rally

WHAT

  • Former U.S. President Donald J. Trump was shot at a rally in PA.

TRUMPS STATEMENT

“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW SO FAR

  • gunman is dead
  • Trump "is fine"
  • one attendee is dead
  • another attendee is in critical condition

News Sources

jeffw , (edited )
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

I did some cyberstalking (someone actually built a whole ass family tree on Ancestry already, which was my source to look up the other info). Just a reminder, please don’t dox or post any publicly identifiable info on here.

The alleged shooter did donate to a liberal group in 2021, age 17, before he was registered to vote. Rumors of this being another person are likely inaccurate, as the donor has the correct name and zip code listed.

The alleged shooter is a registered Republican. Some have theorized he did this as a “stop Trump” sort of thing to vote in PA’s closed primaries. His father is a registered libertarian and his mother is a registered democrat. His sister is a registered libertarian.

I imagine we will have more info on his background and motivation in the coming days and weeks. It’s possible that he could have any kind of political alignment. A lot of young men can get radicalized between 17 and 20.

roguetrick ,

It’s just as possible he started having major depression and hearing voices with that age range.

jeffw ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

Very true, it’s a pretty typical age for schizophrenia to develop in men

fox2263 ,

“Much bleeding took place”

0ops ,

I actually loled when I got to that part

afraid_of_zombies ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7eb3b3cd-da0d-455e-8534-a0be7221e7d1.webp

hperrin ,

It’s a great opportunity to open a conversation about gun control.

return2ozma ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

What a historically crazy day.

ABCDE ,

This quote from a supporter is very rich indeed

The witness said she wasn’t surprised a shooting occurred because of the current political climate.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Trump was not involved in the writing of that statement.

tigeruppercut ,

Trump was not involved in the writing of anything in his entire life ever

FTFY. Pretty sure he’s functionally illiterate.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

You think someone else wrote Covefe?

tigeruppercut ,

Nah he can focus for short things, but he’s unable to extract meaning from longer segments of text

kandoh ,

Thoughts and prayers 🙏

Snapz ,

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    Tryptaminev ,

    You thinking the secret service would conspire with Trump to stage an assassination attempt is absurd.

    The rest is very simply answered with people under shock do not act rationally

    Snapz ,

    Reading is fundamental: vox.com/…/secret-service-text-messages-january-6

    And trained secret service agents are not “people under shock” they are deliberately trained solely to activate and thrive in these exact moments.

    dactylotheca ,
    @dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

    Reading is fundamental: vox.com/…/secret-service-text-messages-january-6

    I love it when people think that the only reason someone wouldn’t agree with them is because they’re uninformed or stupid. It couldn’t possibly be that people could disagree with your premises, it’s definitely just that they aren’t informed enough to agree with your galaxy brain take

    Emmie ,

    Wow you are so calm and level-headed. I would be tempted for twice at least for a good measure. What if they missed it?

    TheDannysaur ,

    This is the dumbest shit and we need to fucking grow up a bit. These “questions” are asinine and not that hard to explain.

    1. Not denying the incident was reported, but there’s a heavy insinuation here that this was set up or manufactured. If so… They needed an entire Secret Service detail, local event police and everyone standing by to be in on it. A couple hundred people are going to be involved and no one leaks it?
    2. “Supposed” gunman. I like how you pivot from “this is probably set up” to “ok even if it was real Trump is capable of worse”
    3. Again, the insinuation of an inside job here. We’re going to involve a hundred or more people and no one thought it would be a problem to kill a bystander? Or the gunman was so good he killed a specific plant? And they had a 100% success rate… No one heard the plan and thought “oh this is a bad idea” and spoke out about it?
    4. Big difference between deleting text messages and MURDERING AN AMERICAN to further a political agenda.
    5. Yes. Things happen all the time. Trump people are saying this is to distract from Biden being inept. There’s always a convenient time.
    6. Yes you dumbshit he was concerned about his hat because they already had the all clear. The shooter got taken out in seconds. They wouldn’t have moved Trump. And they all were saying it was all clear. Also have you ever seen people in an absolute panic? Not the most rational state. Same thing with his shoes. That’s ALSO why he took the photo op. They all dove on top of him. They figured out the shooter’s location and took him down before Trump even got up.

    There’s pictures of the fucking bullet in flight. So either that was ALSO manufactured (a member of the press willingly heard the plan ahead of time and doctored a photo or they actually shot a bullet inches away from Trumps head AND captured it). But no let’s just get Trump, a bumbly ass fuck to orchestrate this perfectly. I’m sure he had it a planned to go down, and everyone covered him and he pulled out a razor blade, cut his ear, and put it away, all perfectly executed and no one caught anything on camera from any of the dozens of angles.

    This shit is so fucking stupid and I’m so sick of hearing about it. These points all rely on the most ass backwards way of thinking where dozens of people are in on this conspiracy and relies on all of them bring cool with killing someone to make it good for Trump.

    Get this shit outta here. This doesn’t deserve the pixels on the screen used to illuminate this nonsense. Be a fucking grown up. We’re going to have to figure out a real way to beat Trump, not pretend this was some false flag bullshit. Accept reality. Be a goddamn adult.

    I’m not even saying you’re wrong for questioning, but I am saying you are wrong because the sheer volume of things that would need to occur for this theory to be even remotely possible is so ridiculous, I would consider aliens an equally plausible situation.

    geekworking ,

    All of the Trump rally photos that I have ever seen have an audience behind him. If they did the same here, then any missed shots would go into the audience.

    BigMacHole ,

    I like Presidents who DON’T Fail their Assassinations!

    slickgoat ,

    There is something seriously wrong with American politics. Trump is evil - not a word I throw around lightly - but this shooting has all but guaranteed a win for him in November.

    He’s clinched it. He’s going to be King.

    ProtecyaTec ,

    Nobody is changing their vote over this… Like, the Democrats have been entrenched in “Not Trump” since the word GO, blue out numbers red and they know what’s at stake.

    slickgoat ,

    The election is won or lost in the middle, not red or blue. It is the undecided and the ones considering voting who really matters.

    We tend to be the engaged voters who know what we are going to do with certainty. But, you can judge the polls by looking in the mirror.

    ProtecyaTec ,

    There’s no wide middle, who is actually still undecisive in this election? Actual people, IRL I want to meet them. Not some twitter jockeys or media talking heads, not some podcast. Actual voters.

    slickgoat ,

    So you believe that everyone is already decided?

    ProtecyaTec ,

    Probably not every single solitary person, but the majority. I think politics have been too divisive to the point where the middle is too slim to make a difference. These aren’t new political candidates. Nothing has changed.

    slickgoat ,

    So, who’s going to win? And by roughly what degree?

    ProtecyaTec ,

    The Dems are going to win. It’s painfully clear that Trump (and his cabinet members) are unfit to lead and do not have the best interest of our nation’s people. We’ll have to wait til November to what degree that is.

    oxjox ,
    @oxjox@lemmy.ml avatar

    You say that as if all registered voters cast a vote for every election.

    This will, at least, energize the R party to vote in numbers we have yet to see. Meanwhile, you’ve got apathetic D voters who really don’t want Biden to be president. It’s not about changing voters’ votes - our elections are never about that - t’s about the number of people who cast a vote.

    Until now, I’ve been very much in the camp of promoting all the things Biden has done to convince voters he’s still worth supporting. Yesterday’s event changes that. The DNC needs to combat this pending influx of voters with an invigorating candidate.

    ProtecyaTec ,

    …you’ve got apathetic D voters who really don’t want Biden to be president.

    Let’s be real, nobody wants Biden to run again, on either side. That being said, every Democrat knows what’s at stake - and that’s Donald fucking Trump. This situation doesn’t change who DT is, his viewpoints, or his policies. The actual people, the actual voters realize that DT is just a way worse situation.

    It’s not about changing voters’ votes - our elections are never about that - t’s about the number of people who cast a vote.

    This nothingburger of a scene isn’t going to stop some Democrat from voting. At the end of the day, there are more Blue than Red and the Dems are entrenched in not having DT in office. I don’t even live in a big city, a red county even, and everyone I’ve talked to in person understands the stakes.

    Yesterday’s event changes that.

    Why would yesterdays events change your viewpoints on Turmp? How does that change his awful policies and degressive viewpoints? How does that change him being an actual Felon and suspected pedophile?

    dactylotheca ,
    @dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

    Saying this will change nothing is just as myopic as saying this’ll guarantee a Trump victory

    ProtecyaTec ,

    There’s no real substance behind the idea that this guarantees a red victory. No Democrat who was against Trump before is going to realistically change their view over Trump over this situation. It doesn’t change who Trump is or what he stands for. If this achieves anything, it will be to incite violence.

    You’ll also take notice many of the accounts parroting this nonsense are not old accounts. Usually, these accounts were just botted to repost news articles or memes and only just recently started commenting. It’s a strange pattern I’m seeing across multiple threads.

    dactylotheca ,
    @dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

    I don’t think people mean that D voters will suddenly vote from Trump because somebody tried to murk him, but that it might get sympathy from swing voters. If that’d have any real effect on the outcome is anybody’s guess, but I’d wager it probably won’t matter all that much.

    But yeah, in any case I figure that – like you said – the most “visible” outcome of this will be more political violence from the right.

    ProtecyaTec ,

    sympathy from swing voters

    I would think that the number of actual swing voters is extremely low. The last few years of politics have been very divisive (probably an understatement), more so than anything in my lifetime. At this point, I haven’t heard anyone IRL not have their political compass already pointed. Democrats have been dug in against DT since he announced he was running again. Rs have been dug in for DT since he announced he was running again.

    dactylotheca ,
    @dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

    Frankly I’d tend to agree, it doesn’t seem likely there’d be a lot of them exactly because… well, gestures around broadly

    But now that I think about this, even though the effect on swing voters could well be pretty inconsequential, the shooting might well “reactivate” some Republicans who weren’t necessarily going to vote – although I’ve understood that their turnout is often a higher than the Dems’, it’s still not 100%. Now whether that is likely or what the size of the effect could be isn’t something I’m really qualified to speculate on, I’m just a random Yuropean who woke up this morning to find that while I was sleeping somebody apparently tried to murk Trump.

    drunkpostdisaster ,

    Don’t forget it’s not over after November. There are more elections and more chances to turn this around and save our country.

    tiefling ,

    Are there? He’s made it clear he wants to do away with anything resembling democracy. What elections do you think are going to survive white christofascism

    drunkpostdisaster ,

    We still got mid terms. If not, then we still got violence.

    MagicShel ,

    If we don’t have enough numbers to beat him at the polling booth, we sure don’t have the numbers to beat his followers and the armed forces combined. Violence seems unlikely to prevail.

    We have to beat him on Election Day.

    drunkpostdisaster ,

    Would be true, but we do not use the popular vote. Besides, if he does win what do you suggest we do? Because we got to look at it as a real possibility or even the most likely outcome.

    return2ozma ,
    @return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

    Gun traced to suspect’s dad, was legally purchased

    abcnews.go.com/…/donald-trump-rally-shooting-assa…

    ayyy ,

    In that case I guess he should just “get over it and move on.”

    Suavevillain ,
    @Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

    I was hoping for a post game interview ngl.

    Hugh_Jeggs ,

    Any word on how the attendees got shot? Can’t see anything in articles

    SeaJ , (edited )

    Well there were four five to seven gunshots shot from a rooftop. Going to guess two of those hit a couple attendees.

    Hugh_Jeggs ,

    Hit a couple attending, or hit a couple of attendees?

    SeaJ , (edited )

    A couple of attendees.

    The guy killed, Corey Comperatore, was shielding his family from gun shots. He was a 50 year old volunteer firefighter.

    reuters.com/…/trump-rally-shooting-victim-identif…

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