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Muun , in James Webb telescope makes 'JuMBO' discovery of planet-like objects in Orion

What’s intriguing about the discovery is that these objects appear to be moving in pairs. Astronomers are currently struggling to explain them.

I always hate when science reporting does this. Astronomers are not struggling to explain them, they just don’t have enough data to take a hypothesis to a theorem!

The article even tells us possible explanations:

One possibility is that these objects grew out of regions in the nebula where the density of material was insufficient to make fully fledged stars.

Another possibility is that they were made around stars and were then kicked out into interstellar space through various interactions.

“The ejection hypothesis is the favoured one at the moment,” said Prof Mark McCaughrean.

downpunxx OP , in Russell Brand: Thames Valley Police investigates allegations
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once you've got thames valley nick on your bum you're done up like a kipper sonny boy

teft ,
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Can you translate this sentence to American?

KevinDeRodeTovenaar ,

Once the thames valley police come after you, you’re done fucked boy.

teft ,
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Thank you, good sir.

ivanafterall ,
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Indubitably. Have a little touch of spotted dick?

teft ,
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Yes, but the doctor said it’s just a rash so no worries.

ivanafterall ,
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Russell, is that you?

davepleasebehave ,

at the point you find the rozzers up your Jacksie you are essentially bang to rights my old pedigree

cheezoid2 ,

When you cop a flower pot and the filf are at your fife and drum, you’re done and dusted like Coleman’s mustard

davepleasebehave ,

as soon as the old bill starts sniffing around your Glitter, you’ll be doing a stretch in chokey, china

fartsparkles ,

Stone the crows, governor! Once them river bobbies start houndin’ yer like a dog on a bone, you’re in for a right pickle, ain’t ya me ol’ mucker!

davepleasebehave ,

exactly. finally some sense in this thread.

Pratai ,

Dude’s fucked.

mykneedoesnthurt ,
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Didn't your people invent the language? Doesn't sound like any of youse got the memo

Chainweasel ,

I’m not British but I think what they’re trying to say is:
“once you’ve got thames valley on your ass you’re about to be cooked”

mykneedoesnthurt ,
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These are all words from the english dictionary, yes.

davepleasebehave ,

Once you have the police from the region of Thames Valley investigating your private affairs you don’t really stand much chance. you are more than likely to end up in prison.

davepleasebehave ,

the real issue is the paucity of English in the US.

stopthatgirl7 , in Grizzly bear kills couple and their dog at Banff National Park in Canada
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See, stuff like this is why I stay inside. The bears can have the outdoors.

guyrocket ,
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The bears can share the outdoors with people. This story is light on details but bear spray is considered the best defense against bear.

I've camped many times in bear country and slept in a tent. I kept bear spray with me at all times and fortunately had no problems...knock on wood. Most of the time it is OK but you have to be intelligent about it. Don't leave food out, carry bear spray, stay away from bear as much as possible, etc.

Also, there are plenty of great outdoor places you can go that don't have bear. Not saying they're risk free, almost nowhere is risk free. But there are "safer" parks, etc. (not "safe", just "safer").

I would never want to be only stuck inside. There's too much amazing to see outside.

meco03211 ,

Bear balls! That’s what my wife and I use (along with bear spray and a 10mm). Little jingly balls you hook into your backpack. Now just walking makes a continuous noise.

Very_Bad_Janet ,

Do bears not like bells? Wouldn't it draw them to you (like a dinner bell)?

meco03211 ,

Most wild animals don’t want random interactions with strange noises. They will avoid as much as possible. Grizzlies and black bears don’t usually “hunt”. I’m unsure how effective it would be with polar bears or if it would draw them in. But your prep for going to an area with polar bears should be not going to the area with polar bears.

guyrocket ,
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Avoid polar bear. Just stay away: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_danger

guyrocket , (edited )
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Yep. I call them bear bells but I have some of those too.

There's a joke about them: https://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/92q4/bearbells.html

amiuhle , (edited )

What’s the difference between black and brown bear poop?

spoilerOne has fruit stones in it, the other one contains bear bells.

Edit: it makes sense to make oneself heard, the worst thing that can happen is quietly walking around a corner and there’s a bear with two cubs close by.

Bear bells are a bit annoying and clapping or just talking to each other also works. Humans are not considered bait for bears and they will usually try to avoid you.

There are good books about avoiding bear attacks when in the backcountry.

Very_Bad_Janet , (edited )

Do you spray it directly at the bear? Or is it a kind of repellent that you spray on yourself/your tent? ETA: Thanks for your answers!

guyrocket , (edited )
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Great questions.

It is a pepper spray like "mace" that you spray at the bear. More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_spray

ETA: This link (from ikidd below) has a great video on how to use bear spray: https://parks.canada.ca/pn-np/mtn/ours-bears/securite-safety/gaz-spray

ikidd ,
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Never. Ever. Spray bear spray around your camp. There’s been plenty of incidents where that’s what drew them in and got people hurt/killed. It’s like cooking around your tent, they have to investigate the smells.

guyrocket ,
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Really? Got a link for info about that?

I wouldn't think you'd want to spray pepper spray anytime you're not using it for defense. It usually blows around and there's a good chance you'll get some on yourself.

I would only spray it if I had to.

ikidd ,
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guyrocket ,
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Thanks for the link.

I would never have thought to ever do that. So if you ever do use it, you then need to leave the area. Which you probably want to do anyway because pepper spray is pretty unpleasant.

ikidd ,
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Never occurred to me either. I’ve packed in bear country plenty over the years, never used spray even though I’ve had 2 grizzly encounters and countless black bear run-ins. Just lucky, I guess.

meco03211 ,

It’s mace for bears. Usually much stronger than regular “mace”. Also the canister is designed to spray a longer distance (like 20 to 40 ft). Google some videos to see it in action.

amiuhle ,

It’s really strong pepper spray, you spray it between you and the bear, towards the ground approx 10m from you I think. They do come with instructions though, please read them before use.

WhipTheLlama ,

Staying inside is no defence against bears.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT5LI21dY_4

postmateDumbass , in Ukraine to build underground school in Kharkiv

No wonder the Republicans want to cut funding.

They hate schools everywhere.

dan1101 , in ‘We are not in the business of ice cream’: Big Oil CEOs defend themselves against climate criticism

We pretty much know their position by now, they will live in wealth and luxury while the world burns.

Chainweasel ,

I wonder how long it’ll take them to realize that they have to live on the planet they’re destroying too. Hurricanes, droughts, forest fires, etc don’t give a shit about property value and destroy everything in their path. Sure, the boomers will check out before things get unbearable but there’s a lot of very rich people in their 40s and 50s that will live long enough to suffer with the rest of us.

snooggums ,
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It will take them a lot longer, since they are completely disconnected from the average person's experience. Even those currently in their 40s aren't going to suffer during their lifetime.

Chainweasel ,

The thing is tough, their lifestyle depends on the average person’s experience. The rich people aren’t the ones laboring to make fast cars, high definition TVs, building houses, refining fuel, working at power plants, farming, ranching, and all the other things that their lifestyle depends on.
They just sit on top and collect the cash. When life gets bad for the people on the bottom those on top will have nothing, because despite what they try to say they’ve never really worked a day in their life and they sure as hell aren’t going to roll up their sleeves and do the dirty work themselves. It’s a pyramid of playing cards and when the bottom falls out the whole thing will collapse.

dan1101 ,

I assume they think they will be fine during their lifetime, and don’t care about their kids/grandkids/great grandkids.

BombOmOm , in Just five western oil firms, including BP and Shell, set to spend $15 million every hour until 2030 producing oil and gas | Global Witness
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Would be helpful if we would start building nuclear at scale. It’s reliable, it’s scalable, and we can build them today. France has the right idea and has massively built out their nuclear energy system and has become a massive energy exporter.

FlyingSquid , in ‘We are not in the business of ice cream’: Big Oil CEOs defend themselves against climate criticism
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Maybe you should be. Ice cream fucks up the planet a whole lot less than oil.

Nachorella ,

Animal agriculture is actually pretty high up there.

SquishyPandaDev ,
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Ya, sadly if your ice cream has milk in it, then it’s a big contributor to climate change. Methane is a potent green house gas.

blindbunny ,
CluckN , in Harvard University inaugurates Claudine Gay as school’s first Black president

Me pointing at a picture of the first black person to lead Harvard University that’s Gay.

Zink ,

Also the first Gay to lead Harvard!

Orbituary , in California Gov. Newsom will appoint Laphonza Butler to fill Feinstein’s Senate seat
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Chickenshit Newsom couldn’t appoint the progressive. Of course it was an insider.

chaogomu ,

Part of the problem is the progressive in question is currently running for that seat, and is trailing in the polls. If Newsom had appointed her, it would have seemed like he was putting his thumb on the scales of the election. Butler might be an insider, but she's not running for election. She will finish out this term and step aside.

Orbituary , (edited )
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She advised Uber when it was fighting the law requiring app companies to grant employees normal benefits. That sort of shit flies in the face of any union work she may have done.

She could still choose to run if she wanted. I will not be surprised in the least if she does.

Cleverdawny ,

Then don’t vote for her if she runs. Frankly I think people like you would have been mad no matter who Newsome appointed

Orbituary ,
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Newsome can suck it. He bailed out PG&E. The lawyers responsible worked for PG&E at one point.

Newsome doesn’t give a shit about anything except money, just like every other corporatist politician.

Cleverdawny ,

So what if he bailed out PG&E? What was the alternative, let the fucking grid collapse? You’d call him a corporatist no matter what he did. It’s just more meaningless anger from a troll.

Orbituary ,
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I’m a troll because I disagree with Newsome’s value as a politician? No. My opinion differs from yours. I am presenting points, you’re just saying, “so what?”

At least I’m standing with some sort of justification for my position instead of just saying, “whatever, dude.”

Cleverdawny ,

Unrelenting, blind hatred isn’t much of a position, dude

Orbituary ,
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Same, bro. She lives in Maryland! Wtf. Why are defending this? She’s not even a California resident.

Cleverdawny ,

She’s a dual resident. Grow up

Orbituary , (edited )
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Man. That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read all week. People have a primary residence and own secondary homes. Same BS argument was made about Herschel Walker when someone pointed out he was a resident of Texas and not of Georgia.

This blind hoop jumping to feel better is why we’re going to lose to Trump. It’s the same non-critical reasoning that allows people to think “13 points down in the polls? No problem.”

I’m done with this. You win your internet points. You’ve sufficiently exhausted me.

Cleverdawny ,

Yes, it’s incredibly stupid to be surprised a professional political lobbyist whose career has been focused on pushing for abortion rights wouldn’t have a place to stay on the East Coast

DandomRude , (edited ) in Biden worries ‘extreme’ supreme court can’t be relied on to uphold rule of law
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A system that appoints supreme constitutional judges for life and without even halfway serious democratic checks and balances seems to me the perfect recipe for disaster and corruption. But hey, I’m from Europe, so what do I know…¯_(ツ)_/¯

Alteon ,

Hey. You can’t just use common sense when it comes to our Judicial System. That would be too logical. What next? You gonna ask that our Supreme Court Justices have Ethics Rules!?

What is this world coming to?

DandomRude ,
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Yes, sorry, that would be too much to ask. I’ll show myself out.

PreviouslyAmused ,

not just a series of Ethics Rules, but ones that were actually followed…

ComradeWeebelo ,

Yeah, the drafters of our constitution really fucked up in that regard.

I’d attempt to solve the problem by creating an independent judicial review board entirely separate from the US govt. similar to other “professional” professions. Let these judges go up for review every 5 years and if they are found to be in breach of conduct, remove them from the bench.

Also, rework how they get to the bench in the first place. Of course the SC is going to be politically motivated. They only get their seats because one of the two big parties literally puts them there. Impartiality is really hard to claim when you owe your entire existence as a SC judge to a giant money machine.

lolcatnip ,

Lifetime appointments mean they don’t owe anyone shit. They have nothing to gain by being loyal to the party that appointed them. There are better ways to accomplish the same thing, but it’s at least one facet of how the court works that seems to do what it’s supposed to.

utopianfiat ,

So instead they’re loyal to their party’s billionaire donors

SheeEttin ,

Which is why Congress has the power to remove them if they fail to meet “good behavior”. But Congress is also abdicating their responsibility to democracy.

DandomRude ,
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Is there any definition of what good behavior is?

lolcatnip ,

Nope.

SheeEttin ,

No. That’s for Congress to determine in an impeachment.

captainlezbian ,

For some, but what we’ve seen is them moving to appointing committed ideologues. If you want someone who agrees with your theocratic beliefs you appoint a young theocratic nutjob like Justice Barrett. They also established a feeding program to ensure mildly conservative law students would be rabidly conservative by the time they’re judges and using the fact that this program feeds you into judgeship as the way to get people into it.

lolcatnip ,

The corrupt ones are loyal to the people they take bribes from. The fact that those same people tend to be donors to the party isn’t really relevant.

float ,

Staying loyal still keeps the (extra) cash flow going.

jeremyparker ,

The whole point of a lifetime appointment is that they can abandon all political concerns once they’re in the SCOTUS - so they don’t have to be political. And I’ve seen that happen - while they obviously stay conservative or progressive, they tend to drift away from an alignment with the parties - with exceptions, obviously.

But, as with all other branches of the US government, it’s becoming clear that we’ve exited the era of being able to trust our leadership to support the Constitution and represent the people.

(For me, it wasn’t even Trump that snapped me out of that mindset. It was when they were talking about outlawing congressional insider trading. One of the Republicans said, out loud and in public, that the notion of prohibiting congressional sick trading was off the table, because it was a core part of the job. He said something like, “half of us wouldn’t be here” - as though that was a bad thing.)

LastYearsPumpkin ,

You should get the same behavior with a single term appointment with no possibility of a second term. There would also have to be limits to what they can do AFTER the appointment too, so they don’t use their single term power to set themselves up when they are done. I guess it would have to be a single term appointment with an extended ban on future employment or investments.

Twista713 ,

But how long would those appointments be? Many justices have written about how long it took to adjust sitting on Scotus, even if they had plenty of experience on the court of appeals(Sotomayor I think?). So like a 10 year period might work. Scalia and RBG voted together a surprising number of times… So there is something to the experience brought to the table. Thomas’s corruption is just nuts and Alito is frustrating, but the other justices at least have substantiating arguments mostly.

barsoap , (edited )

In Germany it’s one 12-year term, generous pension afterwards. Minimum age 40, maximum age 68 or their terms ends prematurely once their successor is appointed. They have to be actual jurists (passed 2nd state exam and/or are a professor of law). Half are elected by the Bundestag (Parliament), half by the Bundesrat (representing the states), in both cases with 2/3rd majority. Ultimately appointed by the Federal President but not in a deciding role but acting as notary of the state.

That 2/3rd majority rule has, because no party can reach it on their own, led to bench seats being allocated proportionally to electoral results, parties picking their favourite out of the possible candidates (the ministry of justice draws up a list of all eligible) and other parties adding the rest of the necessary votes unless there’s an actually important reason to veto a candidate, say, for being an ideologue instead of jurist.

That part would be very hard to transplant over to the US. The rest is the culture of the court itself, they’re notorious for being, well, jurists, not giving a rat’s arse about politics leading to decisions like this, blindsiding everyone on either side of the controversy. A judge may come in with political leanings but they’re going to get beaten into shape by the rest of the judges very quickly.

There’s also other structural differences, e.g. the constitutional court pretty much only doing constitutional review, they’re not part of the ordinary instance chain. They have other prerogatives (e.g. banning parties, deciding cases where constitutional organs sue each other) but constitutional review is pretty much their sole bread and butter.

Twista713 ,

Thanks for writing all of that, it’s very interesting! I can see how that would be an effective system, but as you said, very difficult to implement in the U.S. anytime soon. Even making some incremental changes would help, as I would think there would be good evidence from systems like yours. We shall see I guess!

DandomRude ,
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It’s really a shame that so many seem to be clinging to a constitution that is close to 250 years old. You would think that some things would need to be updated over that period of time, but as I said, I’m from Europe…

LastYearsPumpkin ,

I find it interesting that there are so many Europeans that have such strong opinions on the US, yet they don’t keep themselves informed on the same.

The US Constitution has been updated many, many times since it was written.

DandomRude ,
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I am aware of that. But essential things were obviously not changed at all. For example, in terms of majority voting. What speaks against it? Is there still a need for electors who have to ride to Washington on horseback?

dragonflyteaparty ,

The whole thing? Has the whole thing been looked at and revised? Or are you counting each and every amendment as an “update”? That’s not an update to me. It’s an addition that ignored the many flaws with the way we run our country.

LastYearsPumpkin ,

It’s literally how the constitution is changed. You make an amendment that changes the constitution. If you wanted to change the whole thing in a single amendment, you can do just that.

If you wanted to start from scratch and do the whole constitution over, you’d have the exact same set of steps to do that, unless it was done with an armed overthrow of the government. Then what you would have is a small group of people who ran that revolution would write a new constitution. And that would be unlikely to be any better than what is currently there.

How exactly do you think we would get a new constitution otherwise?

dragonflyteaparty ,

Sure, you’re not wrong. That is a change. But I don’t think that many people would call each and every amendment an update. If that’s your argument, though, the constitution hasn’t been updated in over fifty years. I’d say it’s due for a change.

captainlezbian ,

Our constitution has been updated. Our current constitution is from the 90s. It’s just we update it in pain in the ass bits and pieces

DandomRude ,
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Of course, I am aware that the U.S. Constitution has been updated several times and that any changes are a difficult political process (this is the case in every democratic country). From a European point of view, it is just difficult to understand why, for example, majority voting has still not been introduced and so on. In our system, it is unthinkable that votes are effectively devalued because the majority in one state disagrees. I understand, of course, that that was necessary some 250 years ago, so that electors could be sent to Washington to represent the will of the people of their particular state. But is that still in keeping with the times? To me, it seems antiquated - as does the attempt to guarantee independent constitutional judges by appointing them for life and thus - in theory - making them independent of political influence. I think that reality has shown that this is nothing but wishful thinking. Otherwise, a supreme justice like Clarence Thomas, who is obviously not only bound by his conscience, would probably no longer be in office. I just think that self-regulation has never really been effective - not in politics, law, or business.

LastYearsPumpkin ,

One single office is elected with the Electoral College.

DandomRude ,
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The president? Isn’t that the most important office that comes with a lot of power?

LastYearsPumpkin ,

Keep moving those goalposts.

The president is in charge of managing the country, but he is beholden to the legislative and judicial branches. The president can’t unilaterally do much.

How does the prime minister get elected in most countries? It’s typically because the population elects a representative body, and that body elects a PM. Most countries do not directly elect a PM.

How do laws get passed in most countries. You elect a legislative branch and that legislative branch votes on laws.

The vast majority of even the most democratic countries do not directly vote on much, because nobody wants that.

DandomRude ,
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That’s true. But no votes are lost in the election of a prime minister. People usually elect a party and the parties with the most votes in turn elect the prime minister (via various detours depending on the country). The prime minister is thus elected through a majority system: The party with the most votes usually provides the prime minister. Gerrymandering or something like that is therefore not necessary. In the U.S., however, the president is not elected by majority (how many votes a candidate got in total), but by electoral college, which votes according to how the majority in a state voted. This results in your vote being devalued if it does not match the majority in the state you live in. Here’s the difference: if you voted for a party to represent you, your vote would be counted even if you were in the minority in your home state. Under an electoral college system, that’s not the case: your vote is irrelevant if you’re in the minority in your home state. I can’t make sense of this other than on historical grounds: I think it used to be that elections would be held in a state and then a representative of the state, an electoral college, would ride into Washington and vote in the presidential election as the majority in the state from which he came. That doesn’t seem contemporary to me.

Arcka ,

While most states work that way, Maine and Nebraska are not winner-take-all and have split their votes more proportionally.

LastYearsPumpkin ,

It makes more sense if you look at the United States as a group of individual entities with a Federal level that helps coordinate between them. It’s more like the EU, and less like individual provinces.

Each state decides how to send its electors to vote for the president. Most of the states decided to send them as a winner take all batch of votes, but some decided to allow split votes.

It’s not a perfect system by far, but it makes sense in the context of what it is.

Zaktor ,

That was the context at the start of the country, it’s not really applicable anymore.

dragonflyteaparty ,

And? What’s your point? We’ve had several presidents in the last, what 30-40 years, who lost the popular vote but got to be president anyway because we decided some states matter more than others.

Joker ,

I don’t necessarily think the founders fucked up. It’s important that the court be free from political influence when deciding cases so I think they had the right idea. I’m not necessarily opposed to lifetime appointments. Where I think there’s a lot of room for improvement is the nomination and confirmation process. It’s entirely political, contentious, and has produced a few lousy justices in recent years.

This idea of one party only appointing conservatives and the other only appointing liberals and both sides hating the other’s appointments is what’s fucked up. What could be interesting is a bipartisan Congressional nominating committee that produces candidates that are at least palatable to both sides. Let’s say there’s a 2/3 majority requirement for the committee to nominate someone. They could produce a list of several candidates and the president nominates one of them. Basically take this process away from partisan NGOs and give it to a bipartisan group of elected representatives.

TranscendentalEmpire ,

Yeah, the drafters of our constitution really fucked up in that regard.

The thing is, the drafters of the constitution didnt mean for the supreme Court to be as powerful as it is today. There is nothing in the constitution that even grants them the power of judicial review. They just interpreted that they inherently had that power, and we’ve gone along with it for the last hundred years.

According to the drafters, separating the judicial branch from the executive was a way to inhibit veto power and to prevent the executive from reshaping laws that have been passed by Congress. There only other function was to handle cases between two states, and to oversee an impeachment trial in the Senate.

Zaktor ,

It wasn’t entirely about the rights to review, but also about their impotence to do more than just talk. The balance of powers isn’t just that Congress can impeach, but also that they can write laws that address the Court’s arguments directly and the executive can just tell them “no”. But we’ve let them just be the final arbiter of law with no response from either other body, so they’re now just unelected super-legislators.

When the court is embroiled in corruption scandals and abandoning precedent to strip rights from citizens, the other executive institutions in the country shouldn’t just be acquiescing to their demands. Instead we get “you may be unethical and corrupt, and firing off society shaking reinterpretations to settled law, but thems the breaks”.

Tiptoeing into calling their adherence to the rule of law into question is moving in the right direction, but very slowly. Maybe that’s the right way to do it, but I don’t really trust that it’s not just a misplaced belief in the system to work itself out so moderates don’t have to actually do anything that might be scary.

emax_gomax ,

They probably never expected anyone in government to be so openly corrupt and incorrigible. At the time they wrote the declaration they probably viewed democracy like the roman Republic did and thought the people would categorically reject anyone willfully stealing their rights and freedoms for their own political or personal gain. Of course they couldn’t foresee a political party so openly hypocritical that they would literally lie on mass to a public brainwashed by unchecked “news” publications that only regurgitate what they want to hear. Democracy is f*cked, blame the murdochs.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Yes but you fail to consider that some guys wrote on a paper like 250 years ago and we’ve decided that everything needs to be viewed through the lens of either “does this agree with an incredibly pedantic and stilted reading of this document” or “what would those historical dudes think about this” - whichever happens to be more politically expedient for you at the moment, but the second one tends to give you more flexibility.

Yawnder ,

Hey! How dare you? That piece of paper is so strong that we have people in Canada claiming they have a 2nd amendment right to bear arms!

cybersandwich ,

I also love the stars and bars I’ve seen on Canadian trucks or in their front yard.

Makes perfect sense. Canada has a rich tradition of being a southern state during the civil war.

JonEFive ,

You guys are really taking that whole “America is a continent” thing seriously. Usually it’s just some pedant pointing out the name of the continents as if a Brazilian would ever say “I’m American”. Canada went a whole different direction with it. It’s like the thought process is: Canada is in North America, North America IS America and America is the US. Therefore, Canada is the US. Checkmate! You now have protections under our constitution or something IDK.

Travalanche ,
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Yeah, because making gun ownership harder/illegal is going to stop the fucking American Taliban from continuing terror attacks…
They’d barely even notice and half the cops would be with them.

Yawnder ,

Yes it would, and yes it does. It’s been shown empirically.

30mag ,

Stupidity knows no bounds.

DandomRude ,
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Yup, I see. A bit like with the Bible and other holy books then. Even here in Europe, there are many who see the wording of those as the ultimate truth. No need to adjust anything, they say. It’s all good. It’s god’s will or whatever - if it helps their agenda, that is. Jesus, that must be frustrating.

gravitas_deficiency ,

That’s kind of what it’s devolved into, tbh. The confluence of Christian fundamentalism and politics is a scary fucking thing, because when you’re “doing god’s work”, you can justify .

millie ,

Europe at least has had the benefit of being able to work country-by-country, whereas the US is one massive tangled morass. Hell, even achieving the kind of restructuring and harmonious cooperation that you see in the EU had to come as a result of two of the most atrocious wars humanity has ever mustered in the span of less than half a century.

Kinda puts it a little more into perspective when you consider the absolute shit-show Europe had to turn into before it was ready to grow up.

DandomRude ,
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Yes, absolutely right. However, it is very sad that the Europeans in particular do not seem to have learned much from their history. I am German and here, unfortunately, a blatantly fascist party is on the rise again. That political direction is unfortunately quite popular in many European countries as of late. It might be similar to what is happening in America: the standard of living is falling and so people seem to be longing for a strong leader who will supposedly improve their living situation. The fact that this strong leader has completely different interests is apparently of no concern to many. They simply vote for the party whose rhetoric appeals to them (foreigners are to blame and so on), and that promises a way back to the good old days. It is enough to make you cry.

MossyFeathers ,

Yeah. That’s basically what’s happening in the US. Combine that with our two political parties not giving a fuck about the voters belonging to the other party, and you’ve got two, deeply entrenched political parties which can basically do whatever they want because your only real choice is between red or blue.

Then you have the… god I hate this term …privileged… people who vote and donate to team blue and insist on the blue team taking the high road at all costs; because even if the blue team loses you can still claim the moral high ground and that’s all that matters in their eyes; they’re too comfy and financially insulated to truly feel the affect that blue team losing would have because of feel-good morality.

This comes at the cost of civil rights, because it means team blue (the party currently concerned with civil rights) doesn’t really have a reason to expand their voter base outside of the areas they’re already entrenched. That’s where their big donors are, and they might have to sacrifice their righteous morality in order to expand into the hard red areas.

You’ve also got team red voters who’s views actually align more with team blue, but they vote team red because team red is the only one who actually pretends to listen and serve them; because team blue is too eager to take Ls if it means their precious morality and ethics are intact even though it risks allowing team red to destroy marginalized communities. Also, team red is destroying the quality of life of their voters while successfully convincing them that it’s team blue’s fault, because any attempt team blue makes at countering them is half-hearted at best.

My biggest fear is that we’re heading towards a new civil war, and the history books aren’t going to teach how team blue assisted in team red’s bullshit by stubbornly insisting that they mustn’t take any action that might be immoral or unethical while team red runs rampant.

Twista713 ,

Sorry to hear that, man. It’s definitely a sad situation all around. The apathy of so many is hard to overcome, then there are those like you mentioned who cling to cults of personality or are just looking for a savior. Democracy is still hanging on, but it’s in a rough spot.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
@_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works avatar

They also tend to ignore pretty much all the stuff Jesus actually taught.

DandomRude , (edited )
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Yea, some things do not allign particularly well with certain agendas. So best to just leave them out.

_haha_oh_wow_ ,
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“Judge the shit out of everyone, you’re better than them.”

-Jesus probably idfklol

ComradeWeebelo ,

You forgot about Supply-Side Jesus.

Clent ,

Not anymore. They are just making shit up now. The check is congress impeaching them. That will not happen if enough people demand it.

It’ll never happen as long as republicans control either half of congress. People have been sounding the alarm on their power grabs for decades and only now are some people starting to listen.

I expect the American experiment to fail in my lifetime.

gravitas_deficiency ,

I’m not sure that I see the American Collapse happening in my lifetime as a certainty, but I would agree that it’s a very strong possibility if we don’t get our shit together pretty fucking quick.

Clent ,

It’s won’t collapse. We’ll become another authoritarian state.

It’ll be isolationist so only Mexico should be worried.

gravitas_deficiency ,

Yeah if we go that route, I absolutely expect some Christian Nationalist administration to decide that it’s time to take over Mexico, which to be clear is an apocalyptically stupid idea.

Zink ,

I bet the MAGA base would love the idea of taking over Mexico.

  • The American boys in blue get to gun down the cartels, as well as the convoys of people who are obviously poor brown terrorists
  • We could save a lot of money on a really sweet wall if we use the southern part of Mexico as a choke point
  • Travel more of the world while never leaving the US
  • Think of the travel, resort, and real estate opportunities!
TechyDad ,
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Some of the MAGA folks are already saying that we should bomb/invade Mexico to stop the drug cartels and immigrants. Of course, they hand-wave how horrible a war would be. They assume that Mexico would thank the US for such a great bombing and ask for more. Because MAGA.

gravitas_deficiency ,

For anyone who was downvoting the above comment: It’s absolutely a real thing that Republicans have been talking about for a while now.

This should concern you. Only a complete imbecile would think that conducting unilateral military action against Mexico is a good idea. We would rightly be cast in the same light as Russia vis a vis Ukraine. We would destroy any remaining semblance of geopolitical soft power we still have. We would be unambiguously turning away from even trying to be the “good guys”. We would be global pariahs, just like Russia is now, and we would deserve it.

phx ,

Why the fuck would they want Mexico? I think Canada probably has more to worry about, especially as water becomes more scarce

PreviouslyAmused ,

One of the more interesting things I saw (on this topic) was a historian stating that George Washington (and his contemporaries) would have been able to relate the world of Julius Cesar more than they would our modern world.

I think about that A LOT whenever I hear some idiot spout nonsense about the “vision and ideals” of the founding fathers

TWeaK ,

I thought Washington was too busy sending faxes to samurai.

KillAllPoorPeople ,

Was this during or after raping all his slaves he owned?

GBU_28 ,

U forgot to toggle your hexbear account

Arcka ,

I disagree. That was BC. It’d be like saying people born in the 1930s relate more to colonial times than today. There are some of them who are still alive. While a percentage want nothing to do with modern ways, I think the type to be involved in forming a nation would be lifelong learners akin to the old folks who have little trouble with today’s modernities.

lyam23 ,

BC is somewhat of an arbitrary line. I’d say that modern society and our relationship to it are radically different from either our forefathers’ or Caesar’s due to the industrial and information revolutions. It’s not the distance in linear time that’s important, but the difference in social and cultural time.

CosmicCleric ,
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everything needs to be viewed through the lens of either “does this agree with an incredibly pedantic and stilted reading of this document” or “what would those historical dudes think about this”

To be fair, they did expect us to modify the constitution from generation to generation.

Ultimately the failure is ours.

JonEFive ,

It’s amazing to me the way we’ve elevated the constitution to near biblical proportions. And just like the Bible where every church and pastor interprets it in their own way, so too do our 9 oracles in black robes interpret the will of our village elders from ages past.

CosmicCleric ,
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And just like the Bible where every church and pastor interprets it in their own way, so too do our 9 oracles in black robes interpret the will of our village elders from ages past.

“So shall it be written, so shall it be done”, eh?

There are parallels in your example because it all comes down to governance of people, but I truly don’t think that people look at the Constitution/Courts like they do at the Bible.

JonEFive ,

In terms of commandments and how one is expected to follow the rules, I would argue that some do. In terms of attaching spiritual beliefs to it, no, not so much.

But yes, your point is true - it boils down to governance and how people want to be governed.

Gestrid , (edited )

For better or worse, it’s next to impossible to successfully modify the Constitution without significant support. It has to be ratified by about 38 States (3/4 of the State legislatures or 3/4 of the conventions called in each State). That’s after either 2/3 of both Houses of Congress (2/3 of the House of Representatives and 2/3 of the Senate) propose an amendment or 2/3 of the State legislatures request one via a convention.

In a way, it’s a good thing since it keeps the Constitution from being able to be changed on a whim, and it mostly keeps it from being affected by the political tug-of-war that happens every few years in the US.

It’s also a bad thing, though, as it makes it very difficult to adapt to certain situations that wouldn’t have happened 200+ years ago.

jasory ,

“It’s also a bad thing”

You realise you can change laws? Congress does it regularly. The Constitution primarily restricts the type of laws that can be passed. Congress has huge leeway otherwise.

Zaktor ,

Laws like the Voting Rights Act or the ones that established the EPA or the CFPB? The problem here is we’ve let a rogue court assume ultimate legislating ability and the only real remedies to that are impractical supermajorities or open conflict between the branches.

jasory ,

“Assume ultimate legislating ability”- Unless you are whining about Marbury v Madison, what on earth are you talking about? SCOTUS doesn’t write laws, they rule on the permissibility of (a small fraction) of them.

“Impractical supermajorities”

Did you just discover what checks and balances are? One should want supermajorities because you don’t want laws based on shaky public support. Do we really think the cycle of each president overturning the previous presidents policy is practical?

Gestrid ,

The person I was replying to was talking about the Constitution, not other laws.

CosmicCleric , (edited )
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It’s also a bad thing, though, as it makes it very difficult to adapt to certain situations that wouldn’t have happened 200+ years ago.

I would argue though that if it’s something that truly needs to be changed by the majority that it would get done.

The problem is the way our politics are today (those in office care more about gaining money to stay in office than their constituency, etc.), and the population being split almost down the middle and adhearing to that mindset (‘my team is always right’) over the common good, makes getting that type of majority almost impossible.

But again, that’s still on us, not our forefathers.

PhlubbaDubba ,

It’s more a symptom of the FPTP voting system

Europe has viable parties outside the two most popular in any given election cycle, so partisan loyalty is less of a threat to the application of removal proceedings or other punitive measures.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Article V of the the Constitution.

constitution.congress.gov/…/ALDE_00000507/#

Amending the Constitution was intended to be much more usable, but over half the country doesn’t vote.

JonEFive ,

I can see how 9 out of 13 colonies (or equivalent votes in congress) might be more plausible than 34/50 states or 357/535 congresspeople (house + senate) considering the state of politics today.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

The framers counted on congresspersons being good faith actors that loved America, and on a populace that wasn’t apathetic or incompetent on important matters of state.

Omniraptor , (edited )

To be fair, the farmers “envisioned” a country where a good proportion of the population was literally enslaved. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

Not wrong to point that out.

I always liked this quote:

“The man who penned the revolutionary, unprecedented notion that all men are created equal, could read those ringing words by the light of a lamp held by one of his slaves.”

Sol Wachtler & David S. Gould, Et Tu Judge Bork?: Will Solipsism Destroy Conservative Ideology?, 15 Touro L. Rev. 1, 15–16 (1998).

JonEFive ,

This raises an important point, especially as it pertains to the civil war. This country nearly split itself in two because there were two very different ideologies that simply were not compatible.

The US is a fairly large nation geographically with no shared cultural heritage to speak of and greatly differing political beliefs. I don’t know the answer, but we really need to at least think about how we can expect all US citizens from liberal Californians to conservative Texans to ever be satisfied with the state of the national government we share.

candybrie ,

The thing, though, is it isn’t so geographically separated. There are more Trump voters in California than in Texas and more Biden voters in Texas than New York. This is simply because there are more people in California than Texas and in Texas than New York, and even the blue states and red states are actually pretty purple.

JonEFive ,

True, my reason for using those states as examples had more to do with people’s expectations than actual numbers.

I’ve made a very similar point to some of my friends about how the two sides of the political spectrum are no longer geographically separated. A civil war today would be very different from the US Civil War in the 1800s. It won’t be a physical war like the Russia/Ukraine war because it geographically and logistically can’t be. I think we’re likely to see acts of terrorism as the tension continues to grow, but not geographic borders being drawn and guarded.

Omniraptor ,

Full offense but as you mentioned we’ve already seen what the “southern” ideology does when left to itself and fought a rather bloody war about it. Unfortunately the American military has this historical pattern where they win the initial military campaign and lose the occupation. Imo the south is the ultimate example of this, we simply let the former slavers be and gave them seats in Congress. What we should have done is called a new constitutional convention with representation from freedmen instead of trying to ship them off to Liberia or whatever.

So after the war the social relations in the south changed somewhat in form but not in essence we’re still dealing with the fallout today. In short, I think conservative Texans don’t really deserve to be satisfied with the state of the national government.

CosmicCleric ,
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on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention

Always wondered what the legal definition of “several” was, as it applies to that clause.

JustZ ,
@JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

It’s the adjective form. It just means separate or distinct.

CosmicCleric ,
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I always took that phrase as expressed in the Constitution to be a quantitative factor? Several as in three to many.

JustZ ,
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CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Nice, ty.

Definition & Citations: Separate; individual; Independent. In this sense the word is distinguished from “joint.” Also exclusive; iudi- vidual; appropriated. In this sense it is opposed to “common.”

Still confused though, quantity wise. Basically, the point being made here:

By definition, several means three or more (but often less than many, which we will cover next.) So, if several party-goers out of a group of nine were intoxicated, several could correctly be translated as three or four. If five party-goers were intoxicated, that would usually be stated as most. However, if several party-goers out of 100 people were intoxicated, that wouldn’t be three or four, but a slightly higher number. So again, this term is challenging to interpret under time pressure because its meaning can change, depending on the size of the group.

Kalkaline , in Grizzly bear kills couple and their dog at Banff National Park in Canada
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“only 14% of grizzly bear attacks are fatal” seems like this just downplays the danger. If a product on the shelves had “only 14%” chance of causing cancer people would be livid.

HubertManne ,

Well also if your spine is cracked but your alive, its not fatal.

AbidanYre ,

If my spine is cracked I’m probably not making it out of the back country to get the medical care I need in order to not die.

meco03211 ,

I’d think in general, “just a broken back” would not be an immediate death sentence (even if it’s results in you being paralyzed and unable to effectively save yourself). However I also don’t see it being likely that’s all you’d suffer from a grizzly attack. If they’ve broken your back, you probably have one or two other injuries.

pulaskiwasright , (edited )

“Sharks don’t actually try to kill humans, they just get curious and take exploratory bites”

Obviously that’s not a direct quote, but I people say things like it in defense of sharks frequently.

guyrocket ,
@guyrocket@kbin.social avatar

Lol.

Cosmonauticus ,

Considering bears are 8ft long 900lbs killing machines an 86% survival rate is actually pretty fucking good.

Also if you’re dumb enough to downplay the danger involving grizzly bears for any reason you’re not going to live long anyway

meco03211 ,

Pretty sure that is another way of saying 86% of people can successfully play dead.

Remember folks: If it’s black, fight back. If it’s brown, lie down. If it’s white, goodnight.

Pyr_Pressure ,

Except some black bears are brown, so fight back if it’s a brown black bear and lie lie down if it’s a brown not-black bear (grizzly)

Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever ,

I would need to see the specifics of that statistic but understand that most people who are in a situation to be attacked by a bear have done the research on what to do.

For a grizzly? Play dead while protecting your vitals to the best of your ability. So you either play dead or get knocked unconscious and effectively ARE dead. And then you live.

It is mostly untrained people who have no business being in the back country who die. Or people who are unfortunate enough to get between mama and her cubs.

So its one of those things where there are a LOT of other factors and not many actual attacks to begin with.

Pyr_Pressure ,

There’s actually an interesting statistic where bear attacks from black bears are more likely to happen from the males, whereas attacks from grizzlies are more likely to happen from the females.

Black bear cubs have a strategy to run up the nearest tree when threatened and the mama bear guards the base of the tree rather than going on the offensive, so you are able to back away and avoid an attack a lot easier than a female grizzly, since grizzly cubs don’t instinctually climb trees when threatened but inside rely on the mother to defend them by going on the offensive.

agent_flounder ,
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Ok, but how likely is a grizzly attack?

According to the US Natl Park Service it is 1 in 2.1 million. Dying from a bee sting is more likely.

nationalgeographic.com/…/150916-bears-attacks-ani…

Smoogs ,

Well dying from a bee sting if you’re allergic is pretty common if you don’t have an epi pen. So yes, common.

There is a massive difference and approach to bears it on a special park Vs wild.

Over in your city folk safari zoo, in which you think you’re ‘in the wild’, you are not.

In the wild, Grizzlies will rip you. youtu.be/K-Tfq6dARGk?si=EQLh0ahqdzOVkRWJ

They are very fuckin dangerous. And very fuckin fast. They eat other grizzly bears without mercy too. Especially if there’s not enough salmon around.

In Canada kills by bears in the green belt is a known risk and they have procedures to try to lessen interference with the wild life for this reason. That’s the only reason why the deaths are down. It’s not like rural people are flaunting themselves at wildlife and have them as pets. The deaths start going up when city folk start wandering into the wild thinking every bear is a big ol puppy dog.

agent_flounder ,
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If you have any statistics to provide I would love to see them.

Meanwhile, yes Grizzlies can be extremely dangerous on the rare occasion they attack. How dangerous they are doesn’t change the odds of being attacked. It just means you’re more likely fucked if one does attack you. It’s ok to be scared shitless of them. I am. But don’t let the fear taint your reasoning.

Here are some more statistics. Hopefully folks can set aside their fear for a moment and analyze the risk with a level head. Keep in mind the number of visitors to wild areas is quite large.

  • There were 183 bear attacks in North America between 2000–2015.
  • There are 40 bear attacks around the world every year.
  • The odds of being attacked by a bear are one in 2.1 million.
  • On average, 24 deaths were caused by grizzly bears between 2000–2015.
  • There were six fatal bear attacks in Alaska from 2008–2018.
  • There were 22 human-bear incidents in the US Yosemite National Park in 2019.

petpedia.co/bear-attack-statistics/

Oh and by the way if you think national parks are just zoos, please by all means go tell that up close to the free roaming wild moose and bears in Yellowstone or Elk in Rocky Mountain National Park, especially during the rut, and see how that works out for ya.

Being in the backcountry where you don’t have as much wildlife management might be riskier. Although I would love to see statistics because many factors could play in. Bears being habituated to human presence and especially food is a major issue that increases bear encounters. So it’s possible that backcountry encounters are rarer than in heavily visited parks.

Smoogs ,

Statistics? You’re not my job. I don’t work for you. I don’t do homework. And I owe you nothing. And I especially don’t owe you free work you entitled asshat.

And I won’t shut up from at least warning people so deal with it. And you’re so bent on hugging a grizzly, go for it mate, I can’t stop you. You’re not my job. you are absolutely full of shit.

agent_flounder ,
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Wow ok… Backs slowly away

guyrocket ,
@guyrocket@kbin.social avatar

What an odd correlation: bear attacks and products on shelves.

Are you implying that people might want to purchase bear attacks? Like a carnival ride?

And there are a good number of products that do have a good chance of causing cancer...so...what was your point?

Smoogs ,

You seem to not understand that there are idiots that see a bear and think it’s perfectly ok to go up and pet it like a dog.

Kalkaline , in Russian Kh-59 missile factory struck by multiple drones: Ukraine
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Russians should probably oust their leader and withdraw all forces from Ukraine. When war is at your front steps, I imagine it feels a little different than when it’s in another country.

worldwidewave , in Nobel Prize Awarded to Covid Vaccine Pioneers

Katalin Karikó and Drew Weissman, who together identified a chemical tweak to messenger RNA that laid the foundation for vaccines against Covid-19 that have since been administered billions of times globally, were awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine on Monday.

Their discovery “fundamentally changed our understanding of how mRNA interacts with our immune system,” the panel that awarded the prize said, adding that the work “contributed to the unprecedented rate of vaccine development during one of the greatest threats to human health in modern times.”

A huge breakthrough, hopefully this leads to a whole new class of mRNA vaccines.

worldwidewave , in Donald Trump expected to attend civil fraud trial opening

It’s getting tough to keep track of all of the Trump cases. This must be what he meant by “you’ll be tired of winning”.

DogMuffins ,

Yeah we need some kind of summary bot that posts a list of all the cases and the present progress of each.

ares35 ,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

the stats that matter:

years of prison time sentenced: zero
years of prison time served: zero

Bonesince1997 ,

Anything less is a slap in the face to Americans.

Feathercrown ,

years of prison time sentenced: -2

years of prison time served: -1

tsonfeir , (edited ) in 13 truck drivers parked side by side in the middle of the night to save a life
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If I was gonna jump off a bridge to kill myself, I’d be pissed af if you tried to stop me. Then even more pissed if someone wrote a feel-good piece about how great that was. People loooove to tell other people what to do with their lives.

Edit: this method of suicide is inappropriate, as it impacts others.

Fisk400 ,

We can not know what was in the souls of the people that kill themselves but we do know about the people that survive/fail their attempt and the vast majority of them regret doing it about a second after it is done. We also know that most people that are provided help with the thing that makes them want to kill themselves are grateful to the people that stopped them.

That is the sympathetic angle but you don’t seem very sympathetic so the other angle is, Fuck people that kill themselves by traumatizing other people. Jumping into traffic will at best cause trauma to witnesses and at worst cause injuries or death when cars swerve to avoid your body. If you want to kill yourself like that you deserve to keep living.

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Oh for sure. If you’re going to kill yourself, pick an appropriate method.

That said, humane methods should be supplied to people who want to kill themselves.

downpunxx ,
@downpunxx@kbin.social avatar

yeah, fuck that, you don't get to fuck up everyone's commute on a public roadway because sheila left your drunk ass again, just because you feel like it fella

tsonfeir ,
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With this specific method, yes, fuck them. Humane options should be available for people who aren’t interested in life.

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