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Octagon9561 , in Elon May Have a Huge Issue Because Microsoft Owns the “X” Trademark

As amusing as it is to see Elon fail, letters like “X” shoud not be trademarkable. Just one indicator that we’re truly reaching capitalist extremism levels of insanity.

sab ,

Also, how the hell could Microsoft get a patent for X in 2003 when X has been around since 1984, and is pretty much a direct competitor? This makes no sense at all.

fiat_lux ,

The law is a weapon of the rich. You don't have to be right, you just have to be able to afford out-lawyering your competition. Patents are especially revolting.

sab ,

Of course, my question was rhetorical. I guess it didn't come out so clearly considering it's also, at least in theory, a damned good question.

fiat_lux ,

It was probably clear enough, you just caught me half-asleep and unmedicated. I really dislike patents.

nefarious ,

Trademarks can apply to different areas. In this case, Microsoft's trademark is for services related to online chat and gaming, not for something like a window manager.

https://tsdr.uspto.gov/documentviewer?caseId=sn76041368&docId=ORC20030304054014&linkId=20#docIndex=19&page=1

sab ,

Makes sense I guess. Somehow also makes the trademark even more absurd.

Reminds me a little of Apple v. Apple Records, and how Apple promised never too use their brand to enter into the music industry (like they later did with iTunes anyway).

FlowVoid , (edited )

In 1991, Apple Computer made an agreement to pay Apple Records $26 million in exchange for letting Apple Computer use the “Apple” trademark for music. But that was long before iTunes, they wanted the Apple trademark for their computer chimes. Apple Records agreed to let Apple Computer use the Apple trademark for music as long as it did not “package, sell or distribute physical music materials.”

Much later, iTunes was developed and Apple Records sued Apple Computer. Eventually a judge sided with Apple Computer, pointing out that iTunes did not package, sell or distribute physical music materials. Thus, Apple Records couldn’t get another bite of that Apple…

ThoughtGoblin ,

How is Xorg a “direct competitor” to Microsoft? Especially Microsoft’s trademark to X in the gaming market where they own the Xbox and Xorg doesn’t participate at all?

Trademarks protect consumers by preventing fraud and misleading naming. It makes perfect sense that Microsoft owns X in the given market space due to the enormous prevalence of Xbox. Their first console was literally X-shaped and it would be bad for consumers for anyone to be able to make the “X-station” or “X-cube” or some such.

sab ,

One could not imagine Linux without X11 in 2003. And in 2003, the situation between Microsoft and Linux was rather tense.

That said, I managed to somehow forget about Xbox. I agree it makes sense that Sony couldn't launch an "X console" with a gigantic X on the side.

So yes, I want thinking it through. I do however think that using this trademark against X.xom would be ill conceived, no matter how much I hate Musk. If they start moving into gaming it might be different though, so fair enough.

Thanks for making me think it through more! :)

GustavoM ,
@GustavoM@lemmy.world avatar

“You better not touch the F word! Call of Duty did it first!”

Welp. I can see it happening.

quindraco ,

Trademarks are a government-enforced (i.e. publicly-mandated) monopoly, which is fundamentally antithetical to capitalism.

Capitalism: “an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit.”

For sure, there are many shades of grey to be had here, and the world has 0 purely capitalist societies (in fact, such a society is inherently impossible). But every time the public controls trade and industry, e.g. when enforcing trademark law, that isn’t capitalism.

Fibby ,
@Fibby@sh.itjust.works avatar

Private property laws are a government-enforced (i.e. publicly-mandated) style of ownership.

Fure sure, there are many shades of grey to be had here, but Elon Musk owning Twitter is the ultimate form of communism.

lolcatnip , (edited )

Trademarks only cover very significant uses. Microsoft can (and apparently did) trademark X in connection to the Xbox, so competitors can’t make a game console called an XStation or PlayStation X, but people not making video game consoles aren’t affected.

[Edit: Man, Lemmy is weird. I deleted this comment right after posting it because I thought it was redundant. I only undeleted it because I saw it was the top-rated comment in its sub-thread.]

batmaniam ,

You can also protect colors. Like there is a defined “target red” and “home depot orange” (probably a twitter blue that I guess will be up for grabs soon). You could use that orange to open, say, a day-care, hair salon, or auto-shop, but not a hardware store. Basically if you can show it would cause consumer confusion you can protect it.

ShaggySnacks , in Sofa so bad for JD Vance as Trump’s VP pick faces swirling speculation

Nothing would be funnier if the Internet destroyed Vance’s career over a shit post.

The piece of shit known as JD Vance deserves it.

modifier ,

Live by the meme, die by the meme.

Nomecks ,

If you can be destroyed by an internet meme then your career must’ve been sofa king bad

BradleyUffner ,

I settee what you did there. And so does JD Vance.

Raiderkev ,

Hoho ho ho… Ho ho ho you say FUNNY THING!

masterofn001 ,

I just watched John Oliver destroy it again.

Vance’s campaign did not deny, on 3 separate occasions, that JD Vance has fucked a couch.

Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

They literally have built their entire careers on baseless claims that even their followers know are BS, they just chose to believe because they just want to echo their hatred. All of their shit is baseless and they scream it from the rooftops until it sticks. It’s just a shit post in a different form. Their entire campaign is a baseless shitpost.

So fuck it, JD Vance fucks couches and it’s fucking WIERD. Let it destroy him. Finally we are fighting fire with fire.

RandomlyRight ,

I hope the Democrats win, but I have to point out that someone being discredited by rumors or misinformation is not suddenly ok just because it’s your side that benefits from it

piecat ,

It’s going to happen more than a few times until people learn. Same with deepfakes

MutilationWave ,

They lie all the time. They lie all day. I’m tired of taking the high road. I will lie about them and laugh about it. The couch thing is hilarious and untrue. The dolphin porn search is hilarious and real.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

someone being discredited by rumors or misinformation is not suddenly ok just because it’s your side that benefits from it

I agree, but this rumor is so absurd that anyone who actually believes it is a fucking moron. It’s a meme joke that should be no more effective than “let’s go Brandon”. If it’s actually costing him support then he’s relying on absolute idiots to support him.

norimee , in Elon Musk’s transgender daughter, in first interview, says he berated her for being queer as a child

I feel for her so much. Imagine how this feels to have a father like that, who spits on everything you are and then brags about it to millions of people.

She is obviously not a public person and still he drags her and his personal hatred into the public eye of millions.

ours ,

Worst, he runs a platform intentionally marketed to those who hate.

cogman , (edited )

All while crying about it because you “died from the woke mind virus”.

You know, his still living daughter who he’d still have a fucking relationship with if he didn’t suck ass so much.

thesporkeffect ,

He’s less interested in the relationship and more interested in anti-woke martyrdom points.

Jiggle_Physics ,

Yes, he sees his children as people to be groomed to continue, and expand, his legacy. His daughter does not fit in with the idea he has for them. However, he can use exploit her queerness, to play the victim of the woke mob, for his alt-right chudcred.

nkat2112 , in The IRS wants to end another major tax loophole for the wealthy and raise $50 billion in the process
@nkat2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

The officials said the additional IRS funding provided through the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act had enabled increased oversight and greater awareness of the practice.

Thank goodness for that!

And, yes, do it!

This is the way.

Blackbeard ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

Indeed. Also, Republicans have already proposed dramatic cuts to the IRS, so we should be under no illusions about what will happen to this loophole and Direct File if Trump & Co. take control in November.

vxx ,

They have been gutted for a decade. It was a genius move to circumvent their complete failure by using the inflation reduction act.

dumples ,

Every dollar invested in the IRS give more than that in taxes from cheaters. Worth it

Viking_Hippie ,

Yeah, it’s a whopping 600% in general and DOUBLE that for auditing the top 10%!

If you’re for the government being fiscally responsible (rather than pretending that macroeconomic systems are identical to household budgets) you want rule changes like the one mentioned in the headline as well as more funding for auditing and other enforcement of existing IRS rules.

girlfreddy OP ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

… for rich people.

Because historically it’s been the middle class and poor that get audited, never the rich.

In fact the IRS could just drop every investigation into those and focus on the rich every time.

Cryophilia ,

I’m down for also investigating the upper middle class. Some small business owners are scummy tax cheats whose entire success rests on stealing wages from their workers and taxes from the government. They need to be put out of business to open up market share for honest companies.

Maeve ,

I once worked for a multimillionaire who got audited. He did have to sell a bunch of properties, cars and other toys, to pay taxes, interest, and fines, and got ten years in the pen. This was in the nineties, and he was well-liked, but I never* heard, nor heard of, anyone claim it was unfair, including those who benefited from his corruption, except one guy who bought and sold particular high-end products for him who was also audited, and avoided prison, but idk whether he had to pay delinquent taxes, penalties and interest or not.

HWK_290 , in Consumers say they're pulling back on tipping servers, drivers and hair stylists

I’m a generous tipper at sit down restaurants, but draw the line at places where I’m grabbing a prepackaged sandwich and drink and being asked to tip the employee to literally ring up the items at the cash register. I wonder if the expansion of this practice is turning people off of tipping even when it’s warranted, hence these statistics

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Yeah. The blurbs examples are places you really need to tip. They are providing a direct service to you. But pretty much every digital pay interface is asking for tips now. And a lot of them aren’t even offering 15%. They start at 18% and go up. It is really souring me on going out at all.

AmidFuror ,

Pretty much every sit-down restaurant now has tips calculated on the bill, and 15% is never one of the calculations. It's typically 18%, 20%, and 22%, but I've seen them start higher.

Is this due to the same machines? Since it can differ, I assume it's the owner who chooses to make it higher.

phdepressed ,

It depends on what payment thing they use. Most places use a third-party payment POS and stick with default settings.

rishado ,

The blurbs examples are places you really need to tip. They are providing a direct service to you.

Do you really not realize how ridiculous this sounds?

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Yes. But there is no other alternative in America. If you stiff servers, they get hurt. If enough people do it, they quit and your favorite places die. You can encourage places that don’t allow tipping and pay a living wage but those are so rare as to be pointless.

Only assholes refuse to tip for service in America.

ValenThyme ,

there’s a new fast food drive through near me and if you buy a $13 burger with plastic they turn the little machine to you at your car window and expect you to enter a fucking tip.

I’m an overtipping bastard. I learned to tip from Steve Martin in My Blue Heaven. i love to tip.

I even tip at the weed store and the liquor store if they give me suggestions or any kind of service in addition to ringing me up.

YOU CAN SUCK MY DICK ASKING ME TO TIP IN THE GODDAMN DRIVE THROUGH!!!

I’m not eating there because the burgers are too expensive for how good they are ($5.50 for a plain kids burger come on) but even if I loved the food i’m not tipping for fast food.

ech ,

To be clear, it’s never warranted. It’s just some cultures that have normalized the practice for certain services. Companies should always fully pay their employees. Full stop.

disguy_ovahea ,

Not true. It depends on the job and the state. NY for example, has a tip allowance of $5 per hour. That means establishments can pay their servers $10 per hour and still meet minimum wage law, because the staff is expected to make at least $5 per hour in tips.

While I agree that employers should pay their staff well, it’s standard practice for servers in NY to be underpaid and rely on tips as part of their income.

ech ,

All of that also being known as…normalization.

disguy_ovahea , (edited )

That’s fair. I thought you were implying societal normalization by identifying cultures rather than governments. I see how this would be considered systemic normalization.

FlyingSquid , in GOP senators warn judge against sentencing Trump to prison
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

MAGA 2016: “Lock her up!”

MAGA 2020: “Lock him up!”

MAGA 2024: “The justice department is being politicized against Biden’s enemies!”

Lost_My_Mind ,

“I never said lock her up.”

Source: A horses ass. Just as wide and smells like it too.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I enjoy watching the late night monologues the morning after broadcast. All of them played a supercut of him saying “lock her up” after that interview.

GraniteM ,

Also MAGA 2024: “Lock up Hunter Biden!”

FlyingSquid , in ‘No way out without bloodshed’: the right believe the US is under threat and are mobilizing
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Nonsense. They aren’t mobilizing. Loud pundits are telling them to mobilize.

Where are they gathering? They weren’t even outside Trump’s trial in any sizable numbers.

This is some fearmongering bullshit based on stupid nonsense people like fucking Dan Bongino of all people on said on fucking Truth Social. Even most of MAGA world isn’t on Truth Social.

thedirtyknapkin ,

i mean, they already mobilized and attacked once. January 6 was not a spur of the moment thing. if you watched the hearings for it you’d know that the fbi knew about j6 for months and warned everyone they could.

presumably there’s much the same kind of planning happening right now.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That planning was coordinated, in part, with the administration in power. Which can’t be done this time.

girlfreddy OP ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Problem is there’s a high likelyhood it will be done come Nov 2024/Jan 2025.

Cybermonk_Taiji ,

Tell me again who currently controls the House of Representin?

CaptainSpaceman ,

Mr Koch

AngryCommieKender ,

Currently the Republicans, hopefully a couple of them will have aneurysms and drop dead, which would give Biden the house and Senate.

sudo ,

There isn’t a central planning but I’d expect an increase in stochastic terror attacks. Fertilizer bombs, shooting up a substation, etc.

barsquid ,

That entire “revolution” was halted by a single gunshot. Hopefully they don’t injure innocent bystanders when they check again if they’re brave enough for terrorism.

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Tucker Carlson, the rightwing media heavyweight, waxed apocalyptic: “Import the third world, become the third world. That’s what we just saw. This won’t stop Trump. He’ll win the election if he’s not killed first. But it does mark the end of the fairest justice system in the world. Anyone who defends this verdict is a danger to you and your family.

Seriously wtf. These people are trying to get people killed.

girlfreddy OP ,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

These people are trying to get people killed.

Ofc they are … because they don’t think it’ll come back to bite them in the ass.

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/a877a886-1028-45df-bb3b-cfe56baaab5b.jpeg

ax_xa ,

Where are they gathering?

I would check Waffle House.

Burn_The_Right ,

The plumpest ones are at Cracker Barrel.

mercano , in Engine Bursts Into Flames on Boeing Plane With 468 Aboard
@mercano@lemmy.world avatar

The last 747-400 passenger plane rolled off the production line in 2005. This is either going to be a maintenance issue or the engine ingesting debris or a bird, not faulty construction. Boeing doesn’t even make the engines, it’s either GE, Pratt & Whitney, or Rolls Royce, depending on the original owner’s preference.

sentient_loom ,
@sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works avatar

Ok but how does this stuff keep happening to Boeing planes?

tb_ ,
@tb_@lemmy.world avatar

Boeing is under increased public awareness, any issues get picked up and amplified by the news.

Ranvier , (edited )

There’s about 100,000 flights a day in the world. Until very recently Boeing was the largest provider of commercial aircraft, and it’s still second largest next to airbus. It’s basically a duopoly with those two manufacturers providing the vast majority of planes. Even with the small rate of accidents, with so many flights every day involving Boeing planes there’s going to be a few.

Editors know anything relating to an airline accident and Boeing right now will get lots of clicks, they just throw that it’s a Boeing aircraft in the headline, then bury relevant facts indicating there’s really no way this could have anything to do with Boeing quality control in the article. And many of these are about events that happen from time to time anyways but wouldn’t normally make any sort of splash in the international news media, so suddenly it feels like you’re being bombarded with Boeing news. If the headline writer put GE or Rolls Royce airplane engine fire due to likely accidental bird collision, or Garuda Indonesia airline repair standards are subpar or something, it wouldn’t get any clicks.

TheRealKuni ,

Ok but how does this stuff keep happening to Boeing planes?

Shit happens to lots of planes. You just hear about the Boeing ones because reporting on them is in vogue.

I recently set up FlightRadar24 to alert me whenever a plane anywhere in the world starts squawking 7700, the emergency code. It’s REMARKABLE how often it happens. At least a few times per day, it seems like. There are well over 100,000 flights every day, and occasionally stuff goes wrong.

(And yet, whenever a fatal commercial air incident occurs it’s global news, because those are still exceptionally rare.)

Zipitydew ,

Airbus has a ton of new planes grounded due to engine failures since before the door blowout. But you won’t hear about it because shitting on Boeing is what got clicks instead.

raspberriesareyummy ,

This here. As much as I hate the new Boeing philosophy, they used to build good planes and this issue is most certainly a maintenance problem or bird strike etc…

monkeyslikebananas2 ,

But it is rumored the bird was actually a suicidal whistleblower.

prole ,

Why would it being a maintenance problem make it any better at all?

“Don’t worry guys, the planes aren’t inherently defective, we’re just not maintaining them correctly!”

Super comforting.

mercano ,
@mercano@lemmy.world avatar

Every time a Boeing plane has issues these days people are quick with low effort “Boeing bad” posts. Maintenance isn’t Boeing’s responsibility, it’s the airline’s.

Shard ,

Garuda has an abysmal safety record. I’m banking it wasn’t a design or production issue with the 747.

…wikipedia.org/…/List_of_Garuda_Indonesia_inciden…

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garuda_Indonesia#European_b…

BradleyUffner ,

Look, your facts and logic have no place in this angry mob. Either pick up a pitchfork and get with the program, or get out.

orclev , in Every billionaire under the age of 30 inherited their fortune, new report finds

Yeah no shit. Because it’s essentially impossible to acquire that much wealth in that short a period of time. Even the number of millionaires under 30 that didn’t inherit their wealth is tiny.

BottleOfAlkahest ,

And those millionaires typically won some sort of fame “lottery” (which has its own issues) like Pop Stars or something.

orclev ,

Or they got incredibly lucky and happened to be in just the right place at the right time to have a ridiculously successful business. See E.G. Bill Gates who was pretty middle of the road at just about everything, but lucked into being at just the right place at the right time and managed to be just cunning enough in his business deals. Lots of other far more talented and far smarter people never even got a fraction of the success he did, but he was just super lucky. That’s pretty much how it always goes though.

The biggest lie the US propagates is that wealth is correlated to talent, effort, or both. It isn’t, it’s about 90% luck, 8% ruthlessness, and 2% effort (and that 2% doesn’t even apply to those that inherit their wealth).

ChokingHazard63 , in Pennsylvania school board cancels gay '30 Rock' actor's anti-bullying talk, citing his 'lifestyle'

My oldest friend is gay. We met in kindergarten I think. I don’t remember meeting him, he’s just always been there. Cut to last year when my parents were saying they “don’t approve of that lifestyle” and I asked them “Well, what about [this friend]?” They know he’s gay, but since he doesn’t have an accent or a limp wrist they don’t seem to care. He lives down the street. We both went into the tech field. We hike. We’re each married to our own spouses. We have pets. I pointed all this out and told them “if you disapproved of his lifestyle, you’d also disapprove of mine. It’s not the LIFESTYLE, it’s the IDENTITY you don’t approve of.” I haven’t talked to my parents since. I’m ashamed to be related to them.

Sharkwellington ,

It’s not the LIFESTYLE, it’s the IDENTITY you don’t approve of.

Oh that’s insightful.

feedum_sneedson ,

No it isn’t.

GBU_28 ,

Fascinating point

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

They make a compelling argument

modifier ,

Insights are kinda like those magic eye paintings. They are definitely there, but not everyone can see them.

feedum_sneedson ,

I’m good at magic eye.

modifier , (edited )

I hope you’re better at magic eye than you are challenging other people’s points.

feedum_sneedson ,

What I normally do is, I kick a stone and shout “I refute it thus!”, so if you see me walking with a limp you know why.

melpomenesclevage ,

the lifestyle of being openly queer and not having died in the camps yet, specifically. they hate it when we do that.

afraid_of_zombies ,

haven’t talked to my parents since. I’m ashamed to be related to them.

Know that feeling. Welp if it is any help we can’t choose our family, we can choose our friends. If we both decide to start talking to them again maybe we can setup a racist playdate for our parents. You know bring them to the park, pack a lunch of bacon and cheap beer.

theangryseal ,

One of the biggest idiots I ever met in my life said one of the smartest things I’ve ever heard in an argument with his sister.

“I’m your fucking sister!!”

He replied, “Yeah, well. I don’t like you! I didn’t choose you! The good lord put you assholes on me. I’ve chose all my friends and I choose to call them family. Y’all can get fucked!”

feedum_sneedson ,

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  • sigmaklimgrindset ,

    Why are two (presumed) heterosexual people thinking so much and so deeply about gay sex that they have fully formed opinions on it? Isn’t that a bit weird?

    Grimy ,

    Tbh I think about hetero sex quite a lot so I’m not all that suprised. Closely related subjects if you get what I mean.

    feedum_sneedson ,

    Weirdly my comment got removed for homophobia, which is like, somebody else’s homophobia. Lemmy is a bit shit like that.

    ShepherdPie ,

    The feigned victim hood here is pretty funny considering your comment is right there and viewable by anyone.

    feedum_sneedson , (edited )

    I literally have no idea how that could be construed as homophobia, and really don’t consider myself a victim.

    I mean the parents are definitely homophobic, that’s my point, they disapprove of gay sex. It’s certainly the lifestyle they disapprove of. They most likely prefer their homosexuals closeted and sublimated into the performing arts.

    sigmaklimgrindset ,

    It’s hard to tell if a person is seriously expressing their opinion or doing a satirical bit on the internet nowadays. See: the creation of r/the_donald in 2015/16 vs …well…yeah.

    melpomenesclevage ,

    sorry your parents suck; good friends are better anyway.

    samus12345 , in O.J. Simpson, former football star acquitted of murder, dies at 76.
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    “On April 10th, our father, Orenthal James Simpson, succumbed to his battle with cancer.”

    Asked to comment, the cancer claimed innocence and vowed to catch the real killer.

    (that one’s for you, Norm)

    CosmicCleric , (edited )
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    If the cancer type does not fit, then you must acquit.

    samus12345 , (edited )
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    I was looking into the people involved, and Don Ohlmeyer, the guy who had Norm fired from SNL in 1998 for his OJ jokes, died of cancer in 2017. Norm did in 2021. And now OJ. Fuck cancer (and also OJ).

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Man, jokes aside, fuck cancer.

    Amen/Fucking-A.

    samus12345 ,
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    I couldn’t help it and had to edit in one more joke.

    postmateDumbass ,
    KJ118 , in MacKenzie Scott donates $640M -- more than double her initial plan -- to nonprofits

    I know general consensus is fuck billionaires, and I’m not exactly desputing that, but I work in IT for a rural school district and a donation from her foundation allowed the district to set up a foundation and now 50 of our students can attend a local community College on full scholarship each year.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    She’s strategically working on no longer being a billionaire.

    gnate ,

    And we could do the same without the billionaires. Since they don’t create value, we can skip the part where the money goes to them, and directly support our communities. Eliminate billionaires as a drain on our society.

    0x0 ,

    I see both sides of this. I agree with you in principle, but practically the US can’t get its shit together. Would you trust the government with an influx of cash? They’d probably turn it into weapons.

    FunkPhenomenon ,

    people with money create plenty of value. businesses dont just magically appear and start hiring employees, you know.

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    To be fair, she took a billionaire’s (Jeff Bezos) money and is now redistributing $38b of his wealth. She’s one of the good ones.

    mosiacmango ,

    It was her money too, as she was a core founding member of Amazon, but until their divorce it was locked up in shares.

    It does sure seem like she wanted to give a lot of it away, probably for a long time. I’m glad his midlife crisis is helping so many people.

    FunkPhenomenon ,

    eh… he wont even notice that 4%. probably earned it back in interest already

    tb_ ,
    @tb_@lemmy.world avatar

    But imagine he would’ve been able to gain even more interest on that 4% she stole!

    This is a devastating loss.

    brightandshinyobject ,

    The exception that proves the rule.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    That’s not what that means.

    Feathercrown ,

    I don’t think I’ve ever agreed with any usage of that phrase, correct or incorrect. People just use it to dismiss counter-evidence to their pet theories.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    Why would you disagree with correct usage?

    fmstrat ,

    Because she is simply an “exception.” Use of the phrase would require there to be a general understanding that “billionaires are bad except when…”, but the prevailing notion is simply that “billionaires are bad.” Therefore, she is an “exception”, and a good one at that, not an “exception that proves the rule”.

    Feathercrown ,

    I’m not sure what the tone/intention was here but I’ll take it as a normal question. I disagree because I think people use it as an easy way to improperly dismiss evidence that disagrees with their views, even when they use it correctly in a sentence.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    Can you provide an example of correct usage that does this?

    Feathercrown ,

    I think we have a mismatch of definitions. By “correct usage”, I mean it’s grammatically correct, but not necessarily that the exception does actually “prove the rule”. Anything that fits the sentence but doesn’t actually provide a rule-proving exception is what I’m referring to as “incorrect usage”.

    Although come to think of it, I don’t think any exception can prove a rule by itself, actually. The only time it would work is if the entity enforcing the rule explicitly calls something out as an exception-- in which case, the thing proving the rule is that they acknowledged the rule by explicitly calling something an exception.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    The definition you provided in the second paragraph is the correct usage.

    Feathercrown ,

    Oh, okay. I guess that works, but in that case people use it incorrectly nearly every time.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    Yeah, that’s part of the problem.

    Loki ,
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    Iirc, the word “prove” in this context is the archaic definition “test” e.g. the proving ground. This would imply the original meaning of the phrase is in fact the opposite of how it is normally used today: "the exception proves the rule "means ‘an exception tests [whether or not it is] a rule.’ As you say, people now use it in this strange fashion where the existence of counter evidence somehow proves the point

    Feathercrown ,

    Ooh that’s interesting

    Bipta ,

    If you look into the matter, she very much helped to earn that money. It's hers, not taken from anyone.

    SpaceNoodle ,

    Nobody actually earns that much, and I doubt that her labor directly created that much real value.

    Entropywins ,
    @Entropywins@kbin.social avatar

    Well if we ignore all the exploitation of workers and public infastructure/resources we can say they earned their money.

    Mastengwe ,

    Who downvotes this?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    The thing I like most about what she is doing unlike other billionaire philanthropists is that her money is given with no strings attached.

    Cethin ,

    Sure, it’s great, but I’d rather them not have to beg for it and instead take the money they’re leaching from society by force. They should just be forced to give that money in taxes, not have the schools beg for scraps.

    Eldritch ,

    This is the answer. Philanthropy is great and all. But how awesome would it be if philanthropy wasn’t needed. And who tends to make philanthropy necessary? The wealthy and billionaires taking far more than their share.

    Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In ,

    Whilst commendable, that is not the job of billionaires.

    Other countries have free access to adult education. Some are even paid to attend

    girlfreddy , (edited ) in Oklahoma banned trans students from bathrooms. Now a bullied student is dead
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Owasso PD spokesperson Nick Boatman told The Independent that police were awaiting the results of toxicology and autopsy reports from the Oklahoma Medical Examiner’s Office before determining whether anyone will be charged.

    Ofc cops want a toxicology report on the victim instead of testing the perpetrators.

    ACAB

    thragtacular ,

    Yes, that's kind of how an investigation works you dingbat.

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Not really, but do go on with your transphobic remarks.

    thragtacular ,

    Yes, fuckwit, toxicology reports are part and parcel of FUCKING EVERY INVESTIGATION involving an autopsy.

    You have no fucking clue if this person was poisoned. You have no clue if they were forced to ingest medications against their will. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE HOW THEY ACTUALLY DIED.

    Which is why an actual fucking professional that isn't a reactionary online cockmongrel does an investigation INCLUDING A FUCKING TOXICOLOGY REPORT.

    If you want to accuse me of being transphobic while you yourself are a goddamn moron, FUCK YOURSELF WITH YOUR OWN FOOT, YOU IGNORANT CUNT.

    nonailsleft ,

    Was gonna upvote, but you really went overboard with the insults there so I had to upvote twice

    TrickDacy ,

    Lol, cockmongrel

    bostonbananarama ,

    Can you point out what that person said that was transphobic? From the reply it just seems like that they were pointing out that a toxicology report is something that’s fairly routine. What did I miss?

    EldritchFeminity ,

    It’s pretty common to see transphobes wading into this sort of stuff with the same kind of arguments that racists use about police murdering black people, etc. That support of the system because the system is oppressing a minority they don’t like kind of thing where they turn a blind eye to any context.

    I’m not gonna wade into that kind of debate, but to me, the big issue is what I saw somebody else say: that the police aren’t even going to consider whether or not a crime was committed until after they get the toxicology report, despite knowing that the person in question was assaulted like the day before.

    Like the cops, focusing on the toxicology report alone is an easy way to erase everything else about what happened. Having a toxicology done isn’t transphobic, but focusing only on that and when it comes back clean, ruling it as a freak accident and not following up on the assault? That would be transphobic as hell and wouldn’t be the first or last time the cops did something like that.

    bostonbananarama ,

    Here’s my issue, when you call someone a transphobe (or racist, or pedophile, etc) when they haven’t actually been transphobic, you water down the meaning. It just becomes a thing you say that lost it’s meaning, rather than the big deal it is.

    that the police aren’t even going to consider whether or not a crime was committed until after they get the toxicology report, despite knowing that the person in question was assaulted like the day before.

    Why would they before they finish investigating? What’s the charge? Simple assault, assault and battery, manslaughter, negligent homicide, second degree murder? If you don’t have all the facts you can’t charge them properly.

    Maybe the police have an interest in burying the charges, but if you don’t know that, you shouldn’t claim it. Because the best way to secure a conviction is to thoroughly investigate first, then bring charges once the information has been gathered. Anything else is laying the groundwork for a defense attorney.

    Like the cops, focusing on the toxicology report alone is an easy way to erase everything else about what happened. Having a toxicology done isn’t transphobic, but focusing only on that and when it comes back clean, ruling it as a freak accident and not following up on the assault? That would be transphobic as hell

    Ok, agreed. But that hasn’t happened yet. Reacting to something that hasn’t happened just allows other people to ignore you and your concerns about trans rights. I would caution against that approach. If they don’t take action once the info is in, or blame the victim, then you get mad as hell. Best of luck!

    EldritchFeminity ,

    Yeah, when I said that I wasn’t gonna wade into the argument, I meant on whether or not they were actually being transphobic, because that one line simply isn’t enough to say what their motivation is.

    As for the cops, the issue is that they’re doing a toxicology, but not following up on the assault in any form. They could be investigating that as well while they wait on the report, but they’re actively holding off on doing that.

    Flumpkin ,

    The included insult, however mild, must be seen as an attempt to denigrate QUESTIONING the police methods, as if the environment was “obviously” fair and balanced. He might have not meant it that way, but even then it’s an example of the moderate being the true enemy of the oppressed. So it’s either a tactic, siding with a fascist system or at best inconsiderate.

    bostonbananarama ,

    The included insult, however mild, must be seen as an attempt to denigrate QUESTIONING the police

    No it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous to insist it must be viewed in that manner. That’s your reductionist view.

    He might have not meant it that way,

    So he may not have meant it that way, but we must view it that way? Absolutely insane take.

    but even then it’s an example of the moderate being the true enemy of the oppressed. So it’s either a tactic, siding with a fascist system or at best inconsiderate.

    Here’s the real issue, you’ve created a litmus test that no one is pure enough to meet. Rather than accepting allies for trans rights, you want to push them away. If they aren’t as reactionary and reductionist as you then they must be the enemy. Truly alarming. You’re the problem, you allow the “moderates” (as you call them), who might otherwise support trans rights to oppose them by pushing them out and calling them transphobic.

    Flumpkin ,

    I’m not calling anybody anything, I’m criticizing a behavior. And someone called the comment transphobic, not the poster.

    So he may not have meant it that way, but we must view it that way? Absolutely insane take.

    It’s about how fascist strategy works. And part of that is an appeal to order for the moderates. This book (excepts) talks a lot about this stuff.

    This is a life-or-death fight against fascism. Literally in this case. But the fascists won’t stop with trans people.

    There is a very clear fascist movement that is rapidly growing in strength in the US. First the rhetoric, the attacks on teachers, the bullying, then physical violence, the maliciousness or incompetence of the school, now a 16 year old kid is dead. Then the police are waiting and then say her sudden death had nothing to do with the attack.

    Maybe the police is right? Or maybe they are biased or maybe they are fascist?

    Reading all this makes people sad and angry they criticizes the police.
    Now someone calls him a dingbat for jumping to conclusions.
    His remarks (not the person) are being called out as transphobic.

    And THAT enrages you THAT creates this outrage in you of how awful it is to get angry at people who push back against outrage at the police. Not the death, not the police makes you angry, but this incredibly injustice! This is what you chose to make comments about.

    It’s the presumption that the police system works as intended and should work like this and shouldn’t be criticized. Coupled with an insult. It’s outrageous. I’m not calling it transphobic, I’m calling it the “negative peace” that moderates prefer (see MLK about white moderates) and works in support of fascism.

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    What part of what they said is transphobic?

    Reddfugee42 ,

    OH NOW YOU TOO HUH

    /s

    NoIWontPickaName ,

    It’s funny, because I literally just left a thread in which I was agreeing with them and then I saw the notification of your comment.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    When did ‘dingbat’ become transphobic?

    Has ‘dingbat’ become a new epithet for trans people?

    Because it apparently originally was the name of an alcoholic drink and has been used to describe a stupid person since 1905.

    www.etymonline.com/word/dingbat

    Care to tell us where you heard that the word was transphobic?

    BreakDecks ,

    It’s also a style of architecture: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingbat_(building)

    HeyJoe ,

    That’s unfortunate for the small local music and dive bar near me called dingbatz then…

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe it’s named after the printer’s ornament?

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingbat

    Bricriu ,
    @Bricriu@lemmy.world avatar

    If it’s in Clifton, those guys support white power bands 😕

    HeyJoe ,

    It is… oh boy. I have only been twice since my friend has a metal band that plays there sometimes. I never knew and I doubt he knows that as well since he is definitely not into that either.

    Bricriu ,
    @Bricriu@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, it’s definitely not as widely-known a thing as it should be. Plenty of perfectly respectable bands play there too, still… but also some Nazis

    TrickDacy ,

    Impressive amount of downvotes. Troll successful, I guess

    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    If you left out calling them a dingbat your point is exactly the same.

    gAlienLifeform ,
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    Transphobic shit bags are seeking out stories about Nex and seeing what they can get away with because they know it’s a really good opportunity for them to grind salt into some peoples’ wounds

    GladiusB , (edited )
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    Once again. Calling people names didn’t reinforce your point. It usually does the opposite. Your anger doesn’t make your point more poignant.

    ardee , (edited )
    GladiusB ,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not saying anything other that calling people names doesn’t accomplish anything. I have zero contempt for anyone holding anyone back from who they are. I am literally not on any side and simply pointing out that calling people names does not seem mature and puts people off. If you can’t handle that feedback that is your problem.

    cyborganism ,

    To be fair, according to the article, the victim collapsed and stopped breathing the day after the altercation, probably leading them to believe they might have taken some substance subs then that could’ve caused this.

    I don’t think it’s unreasonable to do a toxicology test.

    perviouslyiner , (edited )

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  • gAlienLifeform ,
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    Doing a tox screen on Nex’s body is reasonable, if only to eliminate a theory a defense attorney would try to argue to a jury. Waiting for the results of that tox screen to decide whether or not a crime took place and start making arrests when we already have plenty of evidence to say that they were assaulted and it’s only unclear whether that assault was the cause of their death is what doesn’t make any sense.

    lazynooblet , (edited )
    @lazynooblet@lazysoci.al avatar

    Mind. Blown.

    https://lazysoci.al/pictrs/image/2068313b-4d0a-4e22-a358-51c0cc925ca8.gif

    Edit: What did I do to piss this guy off? lol

    https://lazysoci.al/pictrs/image/5d8a71f5-76c4-4714-abc2-3a6a45650cfa.png

    I just never understood that nursery rhyme before :)

    ColeSloth ,

    This would infer the hospital missed a brain bleed/concussion/or some other head trauma. There’s also no info about the fight or who started it or anything else, but I’d imagine a toxicology report would be done on any 16 year old that dropped dead for nearly any unknown reason.

    Cold_Brew_Enema ,

    You know, sometimes you ACAB people are just as annoying as the bootlickers

    Reddfugee42 ,

    Everyone knows being distrustful of authority is the same thing as actively endorsing fascism.

    Hackerman_uwu ,

    Yes that’s why the saying goes: “Pine for authoritarian strongmen” and not: “Question authority” or some shit.

    thragtacular ,

    Nah.

    ColeSloth ,

    Testing the other kids for what? An overdose of “fight in the girls bathroom” meds? Make some sense.

    unmagical , in Amazon argues that national labor board is unconstitutional, joining SpaceX and Trader Joe's

    Massive corporations who stand to make unfathomable amounts of wealth if oversight is removed spend money to deconstruct and remove oversight.

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    Not a tough one to pick up on, is it?

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Especially since SCOTUS ruled businesses are essentially people. :/

    Lodespawn ,

    Someone should leave some weed in an Amazon warehouse and then tell the police to raid, it would be great to see an Amazon warehouse locked up for 20 years for possession =)

    SpaceNoodle ,

    Corporations are people, and all people are equal, but corporations are more equal than people.

    NegativeInf , in Florida man seriously injured and unable to speak after encounter with police, daughter says after her father was falsely accused of stealing a banana

    We don’t have police. Just corporate enforcers. Pinkertons in different uniforms. Oh, you are accused of a 17 cent theft and didn’t do it? Eat lead I guess. I’m just so tired.

    tsonfeir ,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    Bananas are $10

    joyjoy ,

    All this for a misdemeanor.

    SilverCode ,

    Lucille, is that you?

    Lucidlethargy ,

    There’s always money in the banana stand.

    Coasting0942 ,

    SCOTUS: processing, processing, processing……

    Complete! If you don’t like it then just vote in a different police chief or mayor!

    uis ,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    then just vote in a different police chief

    You can do this?

    Coasting0942 ,

    Some police chiefs are elected yes.

    uis ,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    Wow. Who can run for police chief?

    Coasting0942 ,

    For elected positions technically anybody.

    Practically it’s a police officer endorsed by the previous chief and/or police union.

    Son_of_dad ,

    If you get your house broken into, or your car stolen the police can’t even be bothered to pretend to care. They treat your theft like an inconvenience to them and will tell you there’s nothing they can do.

    But if you’re a corporation, they’ll rush right over and cripple a shoplifter for stealing a banana.

    agent_flounder ,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

    Hey now, they also specialize in oppressing minorities.

    uis ,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar

    No, they specialize in protecting minorities. Minority. You know which one.

    uis ,
    @uis@lemmy.world avatar
    BakerBagel ,
    WarlordSdocy ,

    There seems to be a lot of gaps in that timeline in the 1800s, wonder what they were doing then 🤔

    Cosmonauticus ,

    Blame boomers and genX. Black/brown ppl have been preaching about police brutality for decades. The only reason they weren’t beating the shit out of white ppl then was they where middle class. Now that everyone is either rich or poor they’re coming for the rest of you.

    It took cellphone footage for ppl to start believing and by then it was too late to do anything

    andyburke ,
    @andyburke@fedia.io avatar

    Just how they want us. I feel you, but fuck the corporate garbage world those motherfuckers are trying to build.

    Time to tear shit down and fix it. The world doesn't have to be like this. We just need to tell the corporations to fuck off and regulate them again.

    hark ,
    @hark@lemmy.world avatar

    We don’t have police. Just corporate enforcers.

    They’re the same thing.

    SoleInvictus ,
    @SoleInvictus@lemmy.world avatar

    They really shouldn’t be. The US is seriously fucked up.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    They always will be because people are inherently evil and domineering, and quite simply can’t be trusted with that kind of power.

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