Is it just me or does 30 years to life seem longer than you would expect? I’m not trying to argue what he deserves or what the correct amount of time is for rape. I’m just saying that if I had to guess what kind of sentence someone would get for 2 counts of rape, I’d have guessed something like 15 years at most. It seems especially unusual given that he’s rich, white, and presumably a first-time offender.
If the sentence is unusually long, would that mean an appeal is more likely to be successful?
Be prepared to see how many people rise up to say life minimum when it comes to rape. Of course, I just see that as people admitting the system fails the incarcerated and punishes rather than rehabilitates.
After the rapist Brock Turner was given a slap on the wrist, California passed mandatory sentencing for rape.
He was accused of 3 rapes but convicted of 2. He received the maximum sentencing for each.
His lawyers are likely going to fight the conviction constantly until the money runs dry.
My personal thought is the conviction is unlikely to be overturned but a sentence reduction is likely. So he got the maximum sentence. Danny will likely be behind bars for at least 6-10 years for his crimes.
That’s the right Brock Turner who was sentenced to 6 months and was released after 3 months. Judge Aaron Persky thought a longer sentence would unduly harm the rapist, Brock Allen Turner.
I think they’re referring to THE RAPIST BROCK ALLEN TURNER who raped an unconscious girl in an alley. I heard he moved to Ohio and goes by his middle name. So THE RAPIST ALLEN TURNER
I think they’re referring to THE RAPIST BROCK ALLEN TURNER who raped an unconscious girl in an alley. I heard he moved to Ohio and goes by his middle name. So THE RAPIST ALLEN TURNER
I knew about Brock Turner, but I didn’t know California passed new laws as a result. Do you mean mandatory minimum sentences? Or was the maximum raised too? Would 15 years have been illegal for Turner, but is legal for Masterson?
6-10 years for his crimes.
6-10 years is more what I would have expected given his fame and wealth. I wouldn’t have been surprised at 15. But, 30 to life seems more like what I’d expect from a second-degree murder sentence for someone with a criminal history, not rape by a rich white Hollywood celebrity.
That article talks about the rape, and talks about things that the Scientology cult did on Masterson’s behalf. But, I don’t see anything in there about other evil shit that he has done / been accused of doing. What sorts of things are you talking about?
Don’t you mean that almost all other sentences for rape seem far too short?
There were several aggravating factors here. A long sentence is surprising given that he is a wealthy, white man. But it’s absolutely justified (in the current carceral context, of which I strongly disapprove).
I didn’t say you were. I’m suggesting the sentence only seems long to you because you grew up in a world full of Brock Turners. If you’re not arguing about what the correct sentence should be, that is the only possible interpretation of what you said. Your perspective has been warped by your experience of this world that we live in.
It varies a hell of a lot by state. Some states will give 40+ years for one rape, some will give under 10 years for multiple rapes. Add in the biases of individual judges, the person being charged, their status, jury biases, etc, and it ends up kinda all over the place.
Sentencing has never made much sense. Depends upon jurisdiction, how many charges prosecutors can tack on, how many you end up going to trial over, how many you get convicted over, and who is responsible for sentencing (in some places the jury sentence, in some the trial judge, in others sentencing is a separate proceeding with a separate judge).
One of the big factors here is that Masterson and his lawyers still deny everything. He didn’t cut a deal, hasn’t shown remorse since he hasn’t admitted to any wrong-doing, and the judge chose to sentence consecutively. First trial was a mistrial, second trial got 2/3 convictions, and apparently they intend to appeal. So depending upon appeal, he is currently facing somewhere between being acquitted on appeal to facing life in prison. In a lot of cases like this, some sort of deal is cut on lesser charges or lesser sentencing in exchange for admitting guilt and not dragging this on through appeal, hence typically shorter sentences. Masterson/his lawyers are instead rolling d20s and the current outcome is a 1.
Yea, I’m glad he is getting what he deserves but 30 to life seems insane. You can get up to 20 years for murder here (life sentence is possible but only for the rare serial/mass murderer), and getting that 20 years requires you to do some really bad shit. Manslaughter for another example is up to 3 years.
Yeah, seems high. I’ve known someone that got 10 years for attempted murder (shot someone). I’m not in favor of long sentences like these in general. If a person is not going to rehabilitated in 10 years, then I don’t think adding another 20 years is going to help. Same thing if you look at it from a deterrent perspective (if 10 years isn’t a deterrent, then any sentence probably wouldn’t be). If a person could never be rehabilitated and they would pose a danger to others if released, then a life sentence would probably be the best.
She got shot over driving at a police officer standing in front of her car. The fact that it escalated to that is a pretty bizarre series of events though.
She got shot over driving at a police officer standing in front of her car.
Framed differently, a cop moved in front of her car for an excuse to shoot her. He could just as easily NOT have moved in front of the car and/or have taken a step back like any normally functioning human being would have done.
I don’t think /u/Ilovethebomb was trying to defend it. He’s just adding context. She didn’t only get shot for shoplifting. The shoplifting initiated an interaction with the police that escalated. She started driving away and the cops tried to physically stop the car with their bodies. So one of the cops panicked and shot.
Of course there are many issues - why were the cops pointing guns at her in the parking lot while she was in the car? Certainly didn’t help with de-escalation. I hope the cop who fired the shot and is under investigation gets criminal charges.
Exactly, saying things like she was “murdered in cold blood” doesn’t help anyone, because you’re that far off the deep end nobody outside of your echo chamber will take you seriously.
There have been a few people reply to me saying that, despite what happened, the police could and should have done something different. And they’re probably right, I don’t know how we got from shoplifting to this, but there were probably opportunities to defuse the situation.
Shoplifting is not a death sentence. Driving away from police is illegal, but not a death sentence. She’s trying to leave? Fine, step to the side, take her plate number, and put out a warrant. At no time was it necessary for him to pull out his gun.
But she didn’t even commit shoplifting, she was wrongfully accused and the car rolled after she was dead and her corpse failed to keep pressure on the brake.
Literally the only thing she did was fail to comply with demands to exit the vehicle and turn the steering wheel in an attempt avoid the officer before being shot.
So what she did was not listen violent and angry people who have full privilege to shoot indiscriminately and was shot for it.
I can pretend she did nothing wrong happily, because she barely did anything at all other than be a victim.
No. They’ve had their chances. None can leave without rigorous testing first. We don’t want to end up with another America just in a different location.
That is undoubtedly why the Marion County Attorney has now withdrawn the search warrants because, to use his own words, ‘insufficient evidence exists to establish a legally sufficient nexus between this alleged crime and the places searched and the items seized.’
Then why did the county attorney issue the warrant if there wasn’t enough evidence? Sounds like Marion county is corrupt.
Yeah fuck that, they got caught and now just want to "withdraw" the search warrant that should've never been issued?
Nah we're gonna need to look into this a bit more. Why was the warrant issued? Who signed off on it? Who was the supervisor in charge when the raid happened? I'm concerned that there's more corruption and other invalid warrants.
Dig up all the dirt on these corrupt good ol'boy fucks. I guarantee this isn't the first time.
Please see my reply to someone else's comment below (it's too long to subject people to twice). The short version is a mess of various people's greed, fear and corruption.
Anyone who’s spent time as the focus of the police or around our court system is aware of what a joke search warrants are. The police just need to claim they have a confidential informant who saw something. That’s sadly enough in most of the country. Funny, the CI is nowhere to be found when they don’t find anything on the search and it’s the warrants credibility is questioned by someone with enough money to have a lawyer investigate. Then if they do find something someone who needs a minor charge to disappear definitely saw whatever needed to be seen for the warrant. It’s insanely corrupt. The unreasonable search and seizure part of the US constitution is violated hundreds of times a day.
Sooooooooooome people say man is made out of mud, the poor man’s made out of muscle and blood. Muscle and blood, skin and bone, a mind that’s weak and a back thats strong… You move 16 tons… whadaya get? Another day older and deeper in debt… St. Peter don’tcha call me because I can’t go…
If you see coming better step aside, a lot of men didn’t and a lot of men died. One first of iron and the others steel if the right don’t get you then the left one will…
Infante later died in a hospital from severe heatstroke and had a recorded internal temperature of 109.8F (43.2C). The Center for Disease Control states a body temperature of 103F (39.4C) or higher is a main symptom of heatstroke.
The poor man was fucking cooked alive and the foreman wanted to do a piss test! I wish Abbott and his funders could experience that.
And that’s in the hospital, after he’d had a chance to cool down some in the ambulance, and I’m sure EMS started IV fluids as well, which would have also cooled him. I bet his temp was a good bit higher than 109.8 at its highest.
Yes please someone start one. I hardly go since grocery prices are too damn high to be able to afford to bulk buy. I can either get a weeks groceries or I can get 3 months of TP and a few other items.
Bulk prices are generally cheaper per unit but it’s very, very possible to not be able to bear the upfront cost of a large number of units and be forced by that to spend more money in smaller chunks over a longer time
The biggest issue is many people will have only seen the first headline and not the update. They got inaccurate information and it won’t be corrected, and the NYT is to blame.
“Cancels” is the wrong verb again. ABC can cancel it, Trump can only decide not to show. ABC and Kamala can go ahead and have a debate with the audience or even put a cardboard cut out in his place and play random quotes he’s made and let Kamala disagree with them. ABC would get views and advertising revenue.
The right neutral verb phrase there is “backs out of”. The one I would pick is “shirks” or “fears”
Let’s be real, close to a majority of Americans have no issue with their iPhone being used as part of a mesh tracking network, even if it helps abusers with airtags.
All they have to do is sell this to people as benefiting them, and they will gobble it up. Hell, chances are, insurance companies will start offering reduced rates if you drive one (and then they buy the data from Ford and increase rates with it).
Instead of paying 2000 dollars a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger you pay 1500 a month for your shitty lifted ford ranger, but the car will… SHUT THE FUCK UP, WHERE DO I SIGN?
The massive difference between AirTags and this is that AirTags (and the whole Find My network, it’s not only AirTags after all) actually provide a useful service to each participant, namely locating their things if they get lost somewhere. This does effectively nothing for you and will only ever fuck over other people (you could argue rightfully so, but still) and provides no value to anyone other than the police.
For whatever the insurance companies deem a low rate driver, sure. But you can be sure that many drivers will be paying more once their insurance company sees how much time they stare at a TikTok videos what “driving”.
Actually. I do wish that phones would fucking tattle on people who can’t be bothered to watch where they’re going while operating 2 ton Hausfraupanzers.
They all have telematics in their trucks, and I know they all use the data in the case of accidents to prove fault. Amazon specifically monitors speed and will fire drivers if they do it too much. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they started sharing that info.
Still, according to electionbettingodds.com, which averages online betting sites, Kelly has a 34.9 percent chance of being the presumptive nominee’s vice-presidential pick.
Also according to that site, Kamala Harris has 0.8% odds to be Kamala Harris’s VP, slightly edging out Gavin Newsome.
That honestly sounds right for right now. Harris has momentum but Trump is still leading in polls. I think it reflects the uncertainty of whether Harris will be able to capitalize on being the only candidate that doesn’t wear diapers and has a properly functioning brain.
It's very hard for an established prediction market to go all the way to either 0% or 100%. There'll always be someone who bought in earlier on the losing side and isn't bothering to cash out for the handful of pennies they might be able to theoretically get back now because it there's nobody who's actually buying.
I mean, you’ve got to be stupid to be a MAGA head. But being gay and a MAGA head you need to be terminally dumb. Amazing that such people can breathe without intellectual assistance.
Yup, every Republican woman is deeply into self loathing. I can’t tell you how many Republican woman I’ve heard say women can’t be leaders or it takes a man to do what’s right.
That’s just another tactic of projection. Republican woman are just mad that they aren’t men and need to justify their own subjugation by ensuring they get second place in the social hierarchy instead of questioning why there’s a hierarchy in the first place. Thinking for yourself is difficult, so being told what to do is easy. Even if that means being told to hate yourself. Hell Christianity’s first chronological story boils down to “women are the reason life sucks.”
Or perhaps people are starting to realize that you don’t need a new car as soon as your 5-year loan is paid off.
I do okay financially; if I wanted a new car, I’d buy one. I bought mine brand new off the lot 15 years ago, and I intend to keep driving it until I can no longer repair it. Why would I possibly want to buy a new, 5G-connected, spyware-infected plastic shitbox when what I have works perfectly well and probably has another 100k miles of life with a few minor repairs and maybe an engine swap at 2-300k or so?
I frequent the Bay Area (Cali) and wouldn’t dream of taking a car without some semi-autonomous driving features. Sitting in traffic while the car brakes, accelerates and steers is the best.
It’s takes sometimes an hour to go 15 miles up hills on 680 in the bay. My competition clutch car can help me enjoy the canyon roads, but my “self driving” car can take care of my “grindset” driving.
Only reason I am thinking of replacing our car is because a BEV would pay for itself fairly quickly if I hear back from a job I applied to that has a 50 mile round-trip commute. Gas alone would be an extra $1000 per year compared to our current 11 year old vehicle.
I’d personally wait a bit as the market is trending down from the high prices during COVID and manufacturers are slowly rolling out more and more incentives again.
For sure. I had my last car for 20 years until it finally NEEDED to be replaced. And my current car I’ve had for five years. After paying it off early, I’ve enjoyed not having that payment, and I hope it lasts just as long as my last car.
I guess you didn’t see the recent article that studied all the information manufacturers collect on you in these new generation of vehicles. Some notable ones are Nissan and Kia collecting information on your sexual activity and six companies collecting your genetic information all for what? So you can control Spotify from your infotainment screen?
Not wanting unnecessary “features“ that are just thinly veiled spyware that overcomplicate every aspect of driving is not a boomer opinion. Wanting buttons you can feel without looking for instead of a giant screen that has automatic updates and needs to have access to your cellphone for basic functionality is not a boomer opinion.
Knowing that tacking voice activation onto every ‘smart’ device, including vehicles, is just an excuse for companies to record everything you say for their shitty marketing isn’t a boomer opinion.
In my experience doing tech work, boomers love that shit and fall for all of it, and it all fucks up in some way much more quickly than should be allowed.
I’m not OP, but if wanting cars that have physical buttons and cars that don’t charge me subscription fees makes me a boomer, then I guess I’m a boomer.
My 2010 Passat Wagon has 211000 Miles and is about to get its first set of new shocks/struts. some big things I had to replace were the mechatronics and rebuilt the cylinder head. Cylinder head was because I ignored a timing issue with the chains. Chime in if you have high mileage.
Car payments are a poverty trap. I haven’t had one in a decade. Buying a used car for cash is such a better deal anyway. I do need suckers to get those 1-2 year leases though to make my cars cheaper.
But who would sue them for this? They aren’t blaming devices or companies here. They’re blaming Biden, DOJ, the system and anything else in the government they can.
I imagine that leading up to the election, they don’t want to show a pattern of unsubstantiated false election claims, since that can be used as evidence if later there is a claim by a host or guest which names a company directly that can be used in a lawsuit.
If such a lawsuit were to happen, they can point to this instance and claim that they tried their hardest to stop the unsubstantiated claims (even cutting off the former president), and it’s not a systemic issue in the network.
Lots of people invested in the fact that happened. Trump can blame the government all he wants. As long as he doesn’t super obviously foment violence then he’s not getting sued.
Same with Fox.
If Fox decides to malign corps or non-public people, then they may be sued. You can lie about the President and DOJ all day without commuting a crime or standing for a lawsuit.
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