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FlyingSquid , in Everytime
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My daughter was so bullied, we had to pull her out of public school and put her in online school. The school did virtually nothing about it no matter how much we pleaded with them. Even when a girl doxxed her and started prank calling her the school gave both her and my daughter a talking to as if it was my daughter’s fault and that was it.

cristalcommons ,

that’s horrible, pal, i’m so sorry :'( how is she doing now, if you want to share?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

She’s still not great, but it’s only been a couple of weeks. She needs time to heal. She’s not going back to a public school until next year at the earliest, and not that school. Unfortunately, I had to quit my job to help her with her online classes, but we’ll manage.

SuddenDownpour ,

You’re a great parent. I wish you strength.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you.

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

I hope both of you are good. It is really sad to see something like this happen.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks. She’s not great yet, but she’ll get better. I have my own problems.

GreenMario ,

Teachers play favorites and they always loved the psychopaths.

Wandering_Uncertainty ,

You might have had bad teachers and bad admin, true - but more likely, the school can’t do anything.

I’m a teacher, and I cannot tell you how incredibly frustrated I am at how tied my hands are. The admin can’t do much, either.

My options: talk sternly to the student. Talk sternly to the parent/guardians. And… that’s it.

Send them to the office? Sure. The principal also has those two options, for the most part. Suspending students is something we only do in very rare circumstances, but they really, really try to avoid it, because so often, kids are acting out because of stuff at home, so suspending them only makes the behaviour worse.

We can’t do detentions after school or on weekends - we can’t force parents to bring their kids in then. Lunch hour detentions, we can’t afford dedicated staff to run them, especially since we’d also need them to chase the students down, because it’s not like they’ll go just because they were told to. We can’t fail students any more.

Our district has also even gotten rid of prizes for achievements - no more honor roll, no awards, nothing. Apparently this makes the low performers feel bad, and we couldn’t have that.

And talking to the parents? Most parents are honestly great, but also, I never talk to them, because the kids with the great parents, I never need to call home. The asshole kids? Their parents are almost always a nightmare. And it’s a waste of time to talk to them.

One kid last year, went after another kid’s field trip paperwork with a pair of scissors. Ripped into her like no one’s business. Sent an email home describing the situation. I was pretty sure, based on her history, she wasn’t really going to destroy his stuff, she was trying to get a rise out of him, so I said something like, “while I believe she was only intending to annoy him, not actually destroy property, it is critical for her to understand that this is absolutely unacceptable behaviour” or something like that.

So rather than telling her kid off, mom goes to the principal to try to get me in trouble for calling her kid annoying.

In application? Doesn’t matter what the teachers or even admin want to do. The district, province/state, and country have taken away practically every carrot and stick, when it comes to students with extreme behavior.

It’s a huge mess.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I can understand all of that, but when one kid doxxes another and starts making prank calls, which we provided evidence of- we had logs and voicemails- and the administration admonishes both kids, that’s on them, not on anyone else. They didn’t have to lecture my daughter about bullying the other girl when she was the one being attacked.

Wandering_Uncertainty ,

In that case, yeah, you’ve got an admin problem. I’m sorry - that really sucks. The entire system desperately needs an overhaul. The education system in Canada is a dumpster fire, and the US is even worse. Dealing with behavioral issues is one of many major problems…

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks. At least we have a solution, even if that solution involves me quitting my job. She’s more important than my job anyway.

DarkenLM ,

If your daughter was doxxed, can't you file a criminal complaint directly with the police? At least where I live, it would be grounds for a criminal investigation.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

People have tried many times and it never works. Not in the U.S.

See here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing#United_States

DarkenLM ,

Damn, that's a shame. He in the EU, there's tons of laws that can be used on cases like that, and many times, they are and work.

Hope things get better for you in the future.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks.

IHadTwoCows ,

The EU is a civilized first world society, unlike the US

ArmokGoB ,

Send them to the office? Sure. The principal also has those two options, for the most part. Suspending students is something we only do in very rare circumstances, but they really, really try to avoid it, because so often, kids are acting out because of stuff at home, so suspending them only makes the behaviour worse.

As someone who was bullied all the way until the start of high school, I would probably look the other way if my hypothetical children seriously hurt someone over repeated bullying. I think any alternative is better than that for everyone involved.

terminhell ,

I had an unusual lesson from my parents regarding bullies. They told me, that if they found out that the I didn’t even try defending myself from bullies and found out, I’d still get whooped at home. It seems kinda cruel at surface level. But when the time ultimately came, dam straight I fought back tooth and nail. And no, they were not abusive in any way. Even reflecting back as an almost 40yr old adult. They were both prison guards/swat people. So they had a very different perspective of bullying I guess.

FreshLight ,

put her in online school

the school did virtually nothing

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Another school, obviously

radioactiveradio ,

My bully flicked an ink refill at my face, went into my eyes, and right in front of the teacher. I punched him, was taken to the principal and he made me APOLOGISE TO THE BULLY, and shake hands with him. The whole education system is broken.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

She doesn’t even fight back. She doesn’t like to do that. I’ve tried to tell her to do it and she just doesn’t have the self-esteem. It’s been bullied out of her. I wish I had taken her out sooner. I feel pretty guilty about that. But I didn’t really accept that it was a situation that would not be resolved until Halloween, where she wore a really cool anime cat girl costume which looked exactly like a character she loves- I don’t remember the name- that my wife made for her. I’m not big on anime, but it was like high-end cosplay level when it came to a costume. My wife is really talented. She was so excited that she wouldn’t even take it off all day after my wife finished it. She wore it to school and basically the entire school told her she was a furry and her costume was terrible and made fun of her the entire day. She got up the next day and broke down and said she couldn’t go to school anymore and we realized that was something that is not fixable.

radioactiveradio ,

While it’s generally good to avoid confrontations and walk away, it’s a good idea to know atleast basic self-defense. School was a terrible experience for me as people with low self-confidence tend to make easy targets for bullies. I hope your daughter gets through school without much trouble. Please do support her. Sometimes it’s not easy for kids to tell people cuz of ego or just the general distrust for adults. Also whoever thought putting a bunch of puberty riddled kids into one room was an idiot.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Middle school is the worst time in school. Kids are absolute monsters at that age.

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Aligns with my experience

BleatingZombie ,

This might be a long shot, but ask her if she’d be interested in learning martial arts. She doesn’t need to “learn how to fight” for it to give her more confidence. It worked for me

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve asked her before. It doesn’t interest her. She’s not an athletic kid. Also, there are other issues I can’t get into.

papalonian , in New price hike HuDis

Yo, title game on point OP 👌🏽

CluelessDude OP ,

Thank you!

Jezebelley , in I won’t download your stupid app

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  • Sir_Fridge ,

    Look if reddit has the most useful information on a google search then reddit it is. Doesn’t mean I’m actively browsing it.

    jigsaw250 ,

    Yep, right now, using a search engine with Reddit in the query is still the best option to find an answer to something. Maybe Lemmy fits that in time, but until then, Reddit it is.

    Dicska ,

    I still start my search with site:reddit.com when looking for an answer. I just prefer opening the cached hits so that traffic doesn’t go to reddit but Google instead. Not like there weren’t problems with Google, but this is the closest I can get to “punishing” Reddit but also getting an answer to my question.

    IHadTwoCows ,

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  • Littleborat ,

    Their app is such a pain though. Nofap challenge imposed by reddit. I am on day 30 already.

    jetsetdorito ,

    I relapsed when I found out you can patch in your own key to still use third party apps 😬

    MaoWasRight ,

    Can I use RIF?

    registrert ,
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  • orsetto ,

    maybe the fediverse is a nice place, while the mainstream platforms are just for dopamine

    psmgx ,

    dopamine

    This is a classy way of saying porn

    RVGamer06 ,

    Sure, but not only.

    RVGamer06 ,

    Exactly.

    frostyfrog ,

    You’ve got my attention. Lack of third party apps is what keeps me away…

    Littleborat ,

    How do I patch my key into RiF?

    Vespair ,

    If you moderated a sub before the API ban and used the Boost app, then Boost still works for you. Thank god for my tiny sub.

    JohnEdwa ,

    I went from 100+ subs down to just 9, but some communities simply don’t exist in lemmy.

    c0mbatbag3l ,
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    Most of the niche subs don’t have equivalents here.

    1bluepixel , in "The "fediverse" is the future of social media"
    @1bluepixel@lemmy.world avatar

    We gatekeeping liking the Fediverse now?

    spudwart ,

    Kinda goes against the entire ethos

    obinice , in Opinions
    @obinice@lemmy.world avatar

    Good thing you censored those naughty words, everyone on the internet are children and it’s not appropriate for them to know such no-no words.

    I’m glad no child knows the word “kill”. Phew.

    collegefurtrader ,

    My business website has “kill” in it, and the business bankers at my bank can not view it on their work computers. Its blocked because of that string in the URL.

    eezeebee ,
    @eezeebee@lemmy.ca avatar

    S****ed trades? 🚨

    collegefurtrader ,

    Unacceptable.

    xmunk ,

    Same reason why the game I worked on censored users talking about our Assassin boss… especially on a Saturday.

    TopRamenBinLaden ,

    I feel bad for Therapists nowadays.

    winterayars ,
    xor ,

    the algorithms like to censor certain words and symbols

    dangblingus , in Twitter, Reddit, Unity, Blizzard... who else?

    Decentralize. Democratize. Demonetize. Time for a new internet, a new gaming industry, and a way of sharing thoughts and ideas where clout is the least important factor.

    rush , (edited )

    Meaningful interactions, connections and privacy shall be prioritized.

    iorale ,

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  • programmer_belch ,

    Some clients let you block all botted content

    themoonisacheese ,
    @themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

    It’s a Lemmy feature actually. You can go in your account settings and unchecked “view bot posts”.

    IHaveTwoCows ,

    I’m gonna do this. It better be good

    interdimensionalmeme ,

    That control needs to be more granular than on/off.

    Because the rest of humanity is still plugged in to the matrix and bots are the only way we can hear them and discuss where they’re taking about

    boatswain ,

    Don’t forget strong policies to keep everything from enshittifying all over again! Check out Cory Doctorow’s thoughts from DefCon: youtu.be/rimtaSgGz_4?feature=shared

    lightnegative ,

    Time to return to the OG internet then?

    totallymojo , in QA does stuff
    @totallymojo@ttrpg.network avatar

    Spoiler: It’s still really buggy.

    kameecoding ,

    that’s just a reality of software development and hard set deadlines.

    glibg10b ,

    That’s a fine excuse if you’re a developer, but not if you’re the one who chooses the deadlines

    Twelve20two ,

    Do the people who choose the deadlines (especially if they’re the publisher) really have that much influence on the programming and development side of things?

    daellat ,

    Strange, I’m about 12 hours in and apart from minor glitches like odd character movement every now and then it’s been pretty smooth sailing. What are you guys running into?

    MeatsOfRage ,

    Same, it’s been exceptionally smooth considering the scale and scope of this game

    totallymojo ,
    @totallymojo@ttrpg.network avatar

    I walk by a shelf and it randomly explodes from some physics glitch.
    Things forever rolling that should not be rolling, like books.
    NPCs just keep sprinting into a wall.
    NPCs stuck halfway through the floor, both alive and dead.
    Enemies teleporting into mountain, and can shoot me from there.
    Creatures not attacking when they should.
    Ships clipping into stations.
    My character stuck in a pose.
    Guns floating.

    Nothing game breaking though!
    Just immersion-breaking.

    Im more concerned about other stuff. Performance. Design choices.
    I get 37fps in towns with an “UFO rated” computer on userbenchmark.
    The menus are horrible.
    And what good does the spaceship do? I just fast travel everywhere. I think I’ve seen the inside of my ship twice i 10hrs.
    Story is the most lazily written, generic scifi tropey stuff I’ve seen.
    No maps. No clue where shops are.
    The game is marketed as huge and open, but in reality it’s all just setpieces with empty planet surfaces. You cannot get into your ship and fly 500m east to your mission marker. If you do that, a new map is loaded and none of your missions are there.

    Dubious_Fart , (edited )

    I concur with pretty much everything you said, though I will say my FPS has been significantly better than yours. You got an nvidia card? I heard they are bugged with bad performance and waiting for a driver update.

    Game, while less critically fucky than previous Betehsda efforts (No doubt thanks to Microsoft dragging Bethesda into QA kicking and screaming), still carry the heavy stink of gamebryo, with classic bugs that have been there for decades… Like items/NPCs falling through floors for no reason.

    I dont mind the very plane world map on random gen planets and shit, but how the fuck am i supposed to navigate New Atlantis or Neon on a field of useless floating dots and a collapsing fast travel icon stack?

    edit I want to add that the autosaving fucking sucks, too. Especially since i got set back by a significant margin due to the crash i just had.

    Rehwyn ,

    The issue with Nvidia cards is that Bethesda had an agreement with AMD for the game dev, so NVIDIA DSLL isn’t included. This means NVIDIA cards can’t by default take advantage of their full resolution upscaling ability.

    I say “by default” because there’s already mods that replace AMD FSR with NVIDIA DSLL. I installed DSLL 3.5 and have been running it essentially without issues (very rarely the screen goes black for a second or two). Getting smooth frame rates on my 2070 super, 3440x1440, High settings other than resolution scaling (which I set around 58%, essentially DSLL “balanced”).

    Dubious_Fart ,

    I cant find where I saw it, but what I saw was not a lack of DSLL, it was like an actual driver bug requiring a driver update to address.

    a driver update isnt gonna add DSLL.

    daellat ,

    I haven’t even run into half of those somehow, always curious how different experiences we can have

    totallymojo ,
    @totallymojo@ttrpg.network avatar

    Yeah. People have vastly different combinations of hardware and software. Different manufacturers and drivers. So it can be really different.
    If they play on pc, I mean.

    I seem to unknowingly have built myself a real shit-magnet of a computer. Basically no new game has worked well for me since I built that one.
    I had like 20 bad bugs per hour with Cyberpunk on release while my buddy had like one mildly annoying per 5h.
    Darktide just didn’t work at all. Kept crashing six months after release, then I gave up.
    Etc etc…

    synicalx1 ,

    I’m only a few hours in, but aside from the usual weird NPC behaviour this engine is known for I haven’t encountered any actual bugs so far.

    Dubious_Fart ,

    yeah, the game stinks of gamebryo, but… I’ve only had one crash so far… Who would have that that all it would take to make a less buggy bethesda game was the entire QA department of one of the biggest companies on the planet.

    bleistift2 ,

    You know you suck as a studio if your players settle for “It only crashed oncej”

    Dubious_Fart ,

    You are missing the very important “so far”

    because it has crashed on me many times since that post.

    lichtmetzger , in I dont like drama

    On feddit.de, lemmy.world is only temporarily defederated because of CSAM until a patch is merged into Lemmy that prevents images from being downloaded to your own instance.

    So I’ll just be patient and wait. It’s understandable the admins don’t want to get problems with law enforcement.

    jelloeater85 ,
    @jelloeater85@lemmy.world avatar

    ❤️

    Gormadt ,
    @Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Makes quite a bit of sense

    Depending on jurisdiction it can be pretty hairy if your instance downloads it

    IANAL but I’m pretty sure that in the US you have a “duty to report” and you can have legal protections if you end up getting it and then reporting it

    But IANAL so I’d recommend looking into it with an actual lawyer if you run a website that hosts content

    cadekat ,

    Won’t that lead to some horrible hug-of-death type scenarios if a post from a small instance gets popular on a huge one?

    NightAuthor ,

    We need more decentralization, a federated image/gif host with CSAM protections

    30p87 ,

    How would one realize CSAM protection? You’d need actual ML to check for it, and I do not think there are trained models available. And now find someone that wants to train such a model, somehow. Also, running an ML model would be quite expensive in energy and hardware.

    NightAuthor ,

    There are models for detecting adult material, idk how well they’d work on CSAM though. Additionally, there exists a hash identification system for known images, idk if it’s available to the public, but I know apple has it.

    Idk, but we gotta figure out something

    CoderKat ,

    Yes, but arguably it was never very scalable for federated software to store large media. It gets utterly massive quick. Third party image/video hosts that specialize in hosting those things can do a better job. And honestly, that’s the kinda data that is just better suited for centralization. Many people can afford to spin up a server that mostly just stores text and deals with basic interactions. Large images or streaming video gets expensive fast, especially if the site were to ever get even remotely close to reddit levels.

    cadekat ,

    If you’re only responsible for caching for your own users, you don’t unduly burden smaller instances.

    kate ,

    Maybe a system where the files federate after 3 upvotes from outside the original instance?

    parlaptie ,

    That’d still be exploitable. You could just run 3 of your own instances. Coming up with a system to stop malicious users that can’t be gamed would be tricky.

    cadekat ,

    Caching only if some number of your own users upvote might work.

    Cyanogenmon ,
    @Cyanogenmon@lemmy.world avatar

    This is what I’m waiting for before I host my own as well. Rather not have to worry that much about constantly having to admin out CSAM.

    ShellMonkey ,
    @ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com avatar

    Not to shill but I just found the other day that cloudflare has a csam scanning and reporting engine built into their proxies. In theory it gives them a window into the data stream by them decrypting and re-encrypting that could snatch a password hash, but 2FA makes that useless after a minute. Basically it scans anything that gets put in the cache and reports it, notifies you to pull it down, and automatically puts up a 451 block on the link.

    OnU ,

    Feddit is defed from so many instances it’s actually not usable for me.

    deathbird , (edited ) in I'd saw off my leg for my grocery store to start carrying something besides shitty IPA's and Budweiser

    What do you mean it’s only IPAs here?

    Why there’s also Double IPAs, triple IPAs, quad IPAs, Imperial IPAs, every kind of fruit-infused IPAs, hazy IPAs, seasonal IPAs, limited edition IPAs, New England style IPA, West Coast Style IPAs, wheat IPAs, rye IPAs, oat IPAs, Session IPAs, red IPAs, and non-alcoholic IPAs.

    And if none of that appeals to you we also have a limited edition seasonal dry-hopped pils that according to the menu tastes like an IPA.

    PraiseTheSoup ,

    You forgot Black IPA’s, which I unironically love and have an extremely difficult time finding compared to 5-10 years ago.

    Infinitybiscuit ,
    @Infinitybiscuit@beehaw.org avatar

    I remember Lakefront Brewery made one for a while. I don’t know if they still do.

    wisplike_sustainer ,

    Most probably none of those are proper IPAs. The ‘I’ in IPA stands for India. IPA is only half-done, if it did not travel on a sailboat around the Africa from England to India.

    Beelzebro ,

    I’m pretty sure you’re kidding, but I downvoted just in case you’re not

    wisplike_sustainer ,

    Fair enough. I was kidding, but downvoting a joke that lame is well deserved.

    fouloleron ,

    I got the reference, and it amused me.

    craftyindividual , in Earth-shatering vibrations

    Hold up before you place the order! I need train carriages, a supercomputer, radiotherapy equipment, nuclear power plant, aircon, self propelled artillery and an escalator. Don’t ask me why.

    Oiconomia OP ,

    Fine, oh and add that CPU from the Dreamcast

    MrSnowy ,

    I also need a 3.5" harddrive and a push lawnmower

    craftyindividual ,

    And it’s the lawnmower that surprised me here!

    CurlyChopz ,

    Still got room for an electric screwdriver, a hand drill and an orbital sander?

    whileloop , in Combining two different internet debates
    @whileloop@lemmy.world avatar

    B since all movement is relative.

    This was a triumph.

    Bizarroland , (edited )
    @Bizarroland@kbin.social avatar

    A, since portals cannot transfer momentum from the tram to the victims.

    To put it another way, if you were standing and the portal was pushed towards you by a tram, do you think you would be launched out of the other side at that rate?

    There might be some increase in momentum as the part of you that went through the portal first gets pushed forward by the parts of you that get pushed forward after, but it's not going to be as dramatic as the momentum you would have received being hit by the tram.

    Most likely you would stumble forward and fall down or have to catch yourself.

    Blakerboy777 ,

    Portals maintain velocity. Velocity is relative. Therefore the velocity they maintain is the relative velocity of the portal and the subject. Any other way and there would be no consistent way to pass any moment when passing through a portal.

    Catsrules ,

    After thinking about it longer then i care to admit I think i finally agreed with you.

    As you said it is all relative, from the prospective of the moving portal. You could say it isnt moving at all but the entire world around it is moving, thus when people enter the portal from the portal’s prospective they people are the ones moving and will continue moving when they exist.

    Hmm tlnit that i typed this out I feel like i didn’t do a very good job. Owell the answer is B.

    XPost3000 ,

    Yes, join the relativity gang

    towerful ,

    I think Portal solved this conundrum by saying portals can’t move.

    Energy is relative when there is a frame of reference.
    When the tram-portal is the frame of reference, the person has the energy. And speedy thing goes in, speedy thing comes out.
    Using Portals canon, the person cannot be the frame of reference (ie 0 energy), because the portal has to move for that scenario - which is Portal-ly impossible. So the person has to come flying out.
    If you break Portals canon and say that portals can move, then then the person would likely be super-compacted (matter transporting on top of existing matter) into a singularity or just destroyed.

    SuperIce ,

    Portal breaks its own canon on Portal 2’s neurotoxin implosion scene though.

    Revan343 ,

    Portals can move along the plane of the portal in that scene, but never forwards or backwards

    Zehzin ,
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    They totally can move though. In one of the puzzles there’s a button that makes part of a wall angle itself so that you can propel yourself forward, and the portal on it will move.

    iAmTheTot ,
    @iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

    May be remembering wrong but I thought any wall movements like that one had to be done before you shoot a portal onto it, because if you do beforehand it'll poof away when you move the wall.

    Zehzin ,
    @Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

    It has been a while, so I may also be remembering wrong so 💀

    towerful ,

    I remember that.
    It’s a timed puzzle.
    The wall moves on a button push, and moves back after an amount of time.
    The portal is destroyed when the panel moves.

    greenskye ,

    There’s literally nothing in the universe that is ‘stationary’ so the entire concept is flawed.

    towerful ,

    I mean, portals are flawed.
    Anything moving through a protal experiences acceleration, unless the exit-portal is at the instantaneously-exact position of the entrance portal.
    There has to be rules and limits that are ignored if portals are to exist, which is what the hypothetical situation is presentin5

    Rivalarrival ,

    It’s canon that they portaled between earth and moon. For a portal to be stationary relative to both, it has to be moving relative to its opposite end.

    PatFussy , (edited )

    Frames of reference matter. Whether the train or the people moving happened it doesnt matter to the portal. There is net movement and the momentum is the mass of the person moving x the speed of the train.

    Imagine the train was moving the speed of light. If the person exiting the other end of the portal wasnt coming out at the speed of light their body would come out like a soup. All the atoms in their body compressing to escape at some randomly low speed… actually it might make a tiny black hole on the other end as the atoms compress infinitely.

    Bizarroland ,
    @Bizarroland@kbin.social avatar

    A portal is as another commenter has framed it, essentially a hula hoop with a different space on the other side of it.

    It doesn't matter how fast a hula hoop falls over your body. You are not going to be launched out of the other side of the hula hoop even if the hula hoop is moving at the speed of light.

    If the hula hoop is moving at the speed of light you are more likely to be killed by the shockwave of all of the atoms in front of the hula hoop compressing to adapt to the sudden intrusion of a lightspeed object with Mass, in which case it is very likely that you would pop out of the other side as some sort of soup, but that would not be because of your interaction with the portal inside of the hula hoop, or the acceleration of the hula hoop itself but rather the acceleration of the things around the hula hoop as it moved through space.

    PatFussy ,

    When im talking about speed of light i am assuming it will be in a perfect vacuum. If this was in ambient under normal conditions, a train going the speed of light would ionize all the air around it causing insane levels of heat.

    So with the thought of it moving in a vacuum, if you look at the portal on a frame by frame basis every nano second you would see either

    1. 1 nano second in his entire body is within some imaginary dimension between the 2 spaces
    2. The body gets infinitely squeezed in 1 space turning them into a mini black hole
    3. They leave the portal at the same rate they came in

    These are my 3 options, i dont see how it can be any other way.

    Bizarroland ,
    @Bizarroland@kbin.social avatar

    I think that the velocity of the tram has nothing to do with the velocity the people it is running over until it actually runs them over and transfers momentum to them.

    The portal puts a gap in between the tram and the victims, so there is no physical contact to transfer momentum. Momentum is a physical property, it cannot be transmitted without contact.

    Therefore, in a frictionless vacuum the people must keep their original velocity and momentum regardless of the speed of the portal or whatever is pushing it forward.

    If it worked the other way, Chell could not have leapt off of a ceiling and been launched out of the other side in the game. If portals transmit momentum without touch, then Chell would have first impacted an unmoving object with the same force as hitting the floor.

    You can't have it both left moving objects fly though unimpeded keeping their original momentum and also have unmoving objects suddenly gain momentum from a moving portal.

    The portal does not affect momentum, it is a break in momentum. Momentum does not transfer across portals.

    The momentum stays with the object that passes through the portal.

    Natanael ,

    Quantum states can jump long distances without particle interaction, this includes energy transfer (you just need a measurable latent possibility for particle interaction!)

    discovermagazine.com/…/first-demonstration-of-ene…

    scientificamerican.com/…/nil-communication-how-to…

    www.nature.com/articles/ncomms7811

    The scifi answer that makes sense is that the space curvature around portal and shifting the object between two frames of reference (perhaps through frame dragging effects / gravity-wave like space warping) imparts momentum and it is conveyed from the portal as it is the thing which has to put in energy to correctly warp space for the object transfer.

    Neuron ,

    The reason this is so confusing with different answers is that the portals don’t really exist, so inherently whether you say a or b is gonna depend on assumptions. In game they aren’t allowed to move so we have nothing to base it on to match game physics.

    Here’s my take, momentum is a product of velocity. Velocity needs a reference frame. Without it, there’s no real difference in saying the portal has a velocity of 0 and the people tied up have a the velocity and therefore momentum, or the other way around. If we assume velocity with respect to the portal is what matters and is the momentum carried forward, then it should be B. If it’s relative to the earth or tied up people, then A.

    Bizarroland , (edited )
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    If portals did not apply a transient vector to your momentum then you could not pass through a portal.

    Take for instance the many times Chell jumps through a portal. Her momentum is maintained as she passes through the portal, allowing her and her robot legs to do truly stupendous feats of gravity assisted acrobatics.

    If Chell was stationary and the portal fell on her, she would not be launched out of the other side with the momentum of the portal, she would just find herself sticking out of the other side of the portal.

    Similarly, if Chell were to ride a moving platform up into an overhead portal, we would expect the top half of Chell's body to pop out of the portal without being accelerated by anything other than the moving platform on the bottom of her feet.

    Therefore, unless there is some strange unknowable physics that we will not be able to discover until we develop portals of our own, the most likely outcome is that the victims on the tram would not gain any momentum as the portal was pushed into them, and they would plop out safely on the other side.

    Neuron ,

    You can say you can expect, but you really can’t, because if you’re talking about momentum you’re talking about velocity and you need a reference frame to define velocity and therefore momentum. Let’s pick the sun for instance with the assumptions of A. So if we just have one portal pointing one direction and one portal pointing up and chell walks in, you should blast out straight up at 66,000 mph plus the speed she was walking then. I think you could make the reference Frame to earth and try and get a, but that would create problems too.

    I think B, velocity relative to the moving portal, would be the only way to maintain some kind of consistency in game if you were going to have moving portals. Your examples are most consistent with B. A portal falls on chell, how fast does she come out? The speed the portal fell on her of course. And then she stops going out once the portal stops moving because it hit the ground and has stopped moving and they no longer have any relative difference in velocity. You could also say in the platform example that the platform was sitting still and the portal was moving down, you would emerge out the portal at the speed the first portal was moving down. Both should be equally valid ways if you want to maintain some consistency. But all of this is probably why they don’t allow moving portals in the first place.

    In the end though these are definitely strange unknowable physics, portals don’t exist, so really you could make the game however you please, either one is perfectly valid, you could just say any velocity on the other side is whatever it was in relationship to the earth before going through, but that’d be weird, because how fast do the people move out of A then? Do they fly out at the speed of the moving portal and then suddenly stop mid air and plop straight down? If you’re not moving faster than a moving portal does is become brick wall and smash you out of the way so you don’t gain any velocity in relation to earth so A can be maintained? There’s no way to test it in the current games. Hence the endless arguing. But I think B would be most consistent and allow for some really interesting puzzles though, especially if you had two moving portals! Or maybe 3d portals that can sit in the air and allow full movement through them in any direction to help make it possible. Portal 3? In VR with depth perception to accommodate?

    AEsheron , (edited )

    The only speed that should be relevant is the object’s speed relative to the portal. Anything else is a distraction. The physics don’t care if you are hurtling at it or it is flying at you, both scenarios are equivalent. The only way to maintain conservation of momentum is to assume your exit speed relative to the exit portal equals your entrance speed relative to the entry portal.

    If it did work the other way, well it wouldn’t assuming your exit speed is equal to your initial speed, relative to the exit. That means your speed is 0 as you “exit.” This leaves us with two possibilities. Either you are smashed into a 2d plane and physics gets very concerned, likely forming a teeeeeny tiny black hole. Or the incoming matter behind the first bits will push the first layers through, which, will just wind up back at the starting point, as they will cascade into each other at a speed defined by the speed of the blue portal, being indistinguishable from the projectile interpretation.

    Rivalarrival ,

    it’s relative to the earth or tied up people, then A.

    If it is relative to the earth, they would be crushed at an atomic level.

    Imagine the trolley-portal is passing around a tape measure at 10m/s. The tape measure is stationary on the earth. After 10 seconds, 100m of tape has entered the portal in a straight line. For me to have 100m of tape in a straight line at the exit, the end of the tape has to be moving away from the portal at 10m/s. Given that “crushed into a singularity” is not an option, we can assume the velocity cannot be relative to earth, and must be relative to the portal.

    whileloop ,
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    All motion is relative. To understand how the people will move, we need to look at them relative to the portal. If the trolly is moving at 5 m/s relative to the ground, then the people are moving at 1 m/s relative to it. So they enter the portal moving at 1 m/s and exit at the same speed.

    fidodo ,

    C, it combines the victim into a horrible overlapping monster of body parts

    VikingHippie ,

    Or as I like to call it: Tuesday

    Rivalarrival ,

    If I stick my arm in a stationary (relative to earth surface) portal, I expect my arm to stick out of the exit portal. If the exit portal is moving at 10m/s over the earth, I expect my arm to also be moving 10m/s over the earth. My arm is stationary relative to the portal, but the portal is moving.

    If that portal is moving toward a standing person and I make a fist, I expect my fist to hit that person at 10m/s. I am stationary relative to the earth; they are stationary relative to the earth, but my fist is moving at 10m/s relative to the earth. From their perspective, I punched them. From my perspective, they ran into my fist.

    If I look through the portal, I will see them approaching me at 10m/s. They will see me inside the portal, approaching them at 10m/s. When the portal passes around them, they will not feel any change in their velocity, they will just collide with me immediately after the portal passes around them. To them, the earth will seem to suddenly be moving at 10m/s.

    Droggl ,

    Or, to say it in Glados’ words: “Speedy thing comes in, speedy thing goes out”.

    NoFood4u ,

    yeah, all movement is relative, if it was B then the relative movement between the people and the train would have changed, if it’s A then it’s conserved

    Reach ,

    I’m making a note here: huge success

    whileloop ,
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    It’s hard to overstate my satisfaction

    u202307011927 ,
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    TCBloo ,

    Violates conservation of momentum unless the portal/train slow down.

    whileloop ,
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    Yes, but portals violate basic physics anyway.

    A portal that faces downwards into another portal is effectively a perpetual motion machine. Drop a ferromagnetic object into the loop and wrap some wires around the loop, now you have an infinite electric generator.

    9point6 , in We should have taken it more seriously.

    are you telling me that cyberpunk pop culture might have been warning me of an impending dystopia?!

    😳🫨😵

    alcoholicorn ,

    TBF, for the last 30 years even Cyberpunk authors completely missed the point that capitalism will subvert these amazing technologies to make everything worse if we don’t do something. Neal Stephenson is a crypto shill.

    BigFatNips ,

    Damn, that surprises and saddens me. I’ve only ever read one of his books, Diamond Age/A young lady’s illustrated primer, but I thoroughly enjoyed it and also thought there were some great critiques of the upper class

    nilloc ,

    Manna got rampant capitalism + AI pretty close, and has predicted McDonalds payment kiosks, Amazon worker abuse, and probably some of the tech layoffs too.

    name_NULL111653 ,

    Wow… I’ve worked in the fast food industry for 2 years, and that really hits close to home. With the kitchen display systems and headsets, with modern technology it would be easy to implement that… very easy. We’d still need one manager on the line for de-escalating angry customers but that would end up essentially the same as the book synopsis described. And the subsequent dystopia… I could literally see this occurring tomorrow. Kinda scary.

    SitD ,

    gets worse. they tried to warn you again and this time someone’s taken action before it could reach you: relevant news article

    letsgo , in Bangladesh, Ghana, and Mauritius celebrate their independence from the crown this month

    Brit here. It’s great to be part of a country that brings so much joy to so many people.

    astraeus ,
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    American here, proud to see we started a trend. (And that’s pretty much the only thing to be proud of as an American)

    UnrepententProcrastinator ,

    Technically the british parted from their own government first…

    summerof69 , in The future is now

    That’s why normal people prefer self-hosted AI girlfriends.

    squid_slime ,
    @squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

    Mine started threatening to leave me and sell all my data, they’re all the same

    OldWoodFrame ,

    Hmm is removing internet access to your AI girlfriend considered abuse?

    Trarmp ,

    sell all my data, they’re all the same

    AIcell data-pilled

    lepinkainen ,

    It’s surprising how few people know that you can run a fully uncensored LLM locally with any M-series Mac with decent performance

    Andrew15_5 ,
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    It’s surprising how few people can afford those machines. /s

    SchizoDenji ,

    KoboldCpp + SillyTavern ftw

    z00s ,

    That’ll make you go blind

    WaterSword , in expandn’t the list
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    Thanks for the red circle, I wouldn’t have known what to read otherwise

    kpw ,

    It's missing a emoji so I know how to react tho

    Poggervania ,
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    And where’s the arrows and impact text so I know exactly what to read??

    helpImTrappedOnline ,
    alienzx ,

    TIHI

    TimeSquirrel ,
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    Beautiful. Now put that annoying-ass AI voice over it and post it on TikTok.

    Moxvallix ,
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    This! Post! Wants people! Not to commit murder!

    i hate that voice

    Octopus1348 ,
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    ▶ 0:00 🔘────── 0:11

    Infernal_pizza ,
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    With the oh no song playing in the background

    Poggervania ,
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    you a boss frfr ong 🫡

    hakunawazo ,

    Good job. Now it looks like a youtube preview image. Just the silly head in one of the top corners for real reaction emotions is missing.

    HiddenLayer5 ,

    0/10 not enough minions.

    Dave ,
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    😉?

    idunnololz ,
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