It does stand for behind the scenes, but it is also a popular kpop group, the bangtan boys (bangtan sonyeondan in Korean) (everybody just calls them BTS)
Nah, for the Kpop group it’s a shortening of the group’s full Korean name Bangtan Sonyeondan which in English translates to “Bulletproof Boy Scouts”. Though in recent years they apparently also added “Beyond the Scene” to try to show how they’ve grown since they first began.
Idk until somebody say it… I am not BTS fan or KPop in general but damn if their name appears so many times than now I always think of the band first and I hate it.
Oh no, not a single day in the year where some shops have closed! If they visited my country they would probably have an aneurysm. Nothing is open on Sunday or public holidays. On Saturday most shops close at 18:00 many close much sooner. It depends for the rest of the week but you can not be open after 21:00.
Even in my own country, Australia, where our retail culture is quickly copying the US, customers can be so entitled. People get mad about reduced hours on public holidays.
But just 50-60 years ago, most stores were closed on Sunday and only open for a few hours on Saturday’s. They’d be closed for the entire day on public holidays. The people I often see getting angry at shops for closing at 10pm instead of 12am on Christmas day are usually old enough to remember the “good old days” (as they themselves call it)
The same entitled people will complain about self serve checkouts, robot janitors and AI stock management systems. They complain that there aren’t enough human staff, But then they go and treat the few humans there are with more cruelty, abuse and disrespect than they’d ever consider using when talking to Siri. Do you want humans working here or not or not? How about you treat them like the human beings they are.
I completely disagree. What this place needs is a bunch of bot accounts that endlessly spam the top comments from when whatever’s posted was on the front page last week.
Gonna build spezify_bot which will do that, copy over comments and comment “this” and “finally someone said it!” below the top comments. Maybe even some “I came here to say this, too!” at some points?
The proper emailing etiquette is to CC people who don’t need to take action (informational) while those who are emailed directly are expected to do something. At least that’s how I operate.
I’ve actually blocked any incoming email without a valid email address (belonging to my domain) in the To: or CC: headers; it’s helped me cut spam significantly.
Using a specific prefix I can generate a new email address for each website I visit. So when someone emails me, they’re forced to tell on themselves and/or the website they stole/bought my email address from.
All this makes it easy to see who lied and sold my shit (data) after I explicitly said not to. And I figure if I really needed to be BCC’d on something, the sender can simply forward the email to me after they receive the rejection message.
We are REQUIRED to use outlook at my job, along with all the MS bullshit. I’ve changed my Thunderbird interface to make it look exactly like outlook, synced my calendars, and kept using it for the past year or so. They have no clue. I hate Microsoft with passion, I will spent hours of my free time to find ways to be out of their ecosystem if I need to, and I usually manage to do so.
I honestly don’t know much about how that works. I’ve just managed to sync outlook emails to Thunderbird with the Exchange protocol or something. I get taken to my organisation page once every two weeks or so, for the 2FA, and everything works just fine. I’ll just play dumb if IT ever ask me question but so far so good.
You know we can detect every application you have through tools like Nessus, right? Your IT guys are either morons or they just let you get away with it because it’s easier than hearing people pitch a fit about software they’re not allowed to use.
Both scenarios are fine with me. I don’t care if they’re incompetent or just don’t care, as long as I can use my softwares. But I doubt they would have the time to scan every staff’s laptop to see what applications we use. They also said it was mandatory for all the students and teachers to use the stupid 2FA Microsoft app on our phone, but I’ve been using Keepass on desktop without problems (and even shown it to some students). Next step, I’m gonna install Fedora Asahi Remix on the M1 mac they provided me.
Time? You just set it to scan every host on your Active Directory. It’s like a ten minute setup and spits out a report when you’re done.
Yeah, you’re definitely the guy they hate but don’t get paid enough to fight. Security risks users are usually too much of a pain to deal with so we just tell our supervisors that you’ll end up ransomware’ing the company one day and let them handle it from there if they care enough.
Well, IMO the real security problem is forcing all the people who want to be part of Montreal’s largest university to give all their personal data to a shitty, delinquent, soulless company like Microsoft. The stupid 2FA application is also a huge discriminating factor, preventing anyone who doesn’t have a compatible phone from studying at our university. But now MS have the phone # of 98% of our community. Did you know that the ms 365 suite has literally been banned from academic institutions in Germany, due to security concerns? On our side, we pay millions every year to this company for dysfunctional services for which free, secure alternatives exist. Universities shouldn’t be on their knees to big business, that’s what I think, and no, I don’t feel any guilt about using secure open-source software.
It’s not secure if the user installing the software doesn’t understand network security at all (which you don’t, and admitted) you seem to think security is an issue with your personal data being harvested whereas I’m talking about actual security like threat actors hacking into your storage arrays to encrypt or steal information.
But it’s fine, I’ll take my ten years doing security analysis and network engineering and go. Clearly you’re an IT expert since you can install Linux.
This place is full of people like you, who think they understand the way things work but are focused on big scawy Microsoft meanwhile installing god knows fucking what from god knows fucking where. I use Linux and love it, but script kiddies like you are the bain of actual IT professionals existence.
Dude, are you unhappy or something? Or some kind of Microsoft fanboy maybe? Because you have the attitude of 6 yo kid. Adults should usually be able to express themselves without falling into personnal insults.
Are you mad that people want the control of their computers, does that makes you feel irrelevant? Is that why you say things like " This place is full of people like you" (lol)? Flashnews, it’s 2023, everybody uses computers everyday, you’re not special. Maybe you should look at other professions, you don’t seem to enjoy your job.
So yeah, if you can’t have a discussion without behaving like an asshole, take your 10 year experience in whatever and go, nobody cares.
They also said it was mandatory for all the students and teachers to use the stupid 2FA Microsoft app on our phone, but I’ve been using Keepass on desktop without problems (and even shown it to some students).
Yeah if they’re just using the MS app for OTP generation, there’s no reason to use that specific application. Keepass is perfectly fine.
Asahi is pretty great. Only issue for me personally is the lack of speaker support. Audio works fine through headphone jack or bluetooth though.
That’s too bad for speaker support cause these M1/2 have the best sound I’ve seen on any laptop. How are the graphic performance, can they match what we have on macOS? I secretly dream of the day we will be able to use the Apple silicon macs for VR. I actually managed to get some things to work decently with a 2018 intel Mac and ALVR a while back.
Apparently that good sound is due to extensive software processing. The asahi devs really want to make a good impression, so they’re spending a lot of time tweaking their sound processing to try to match or beat the MacOS quality before release. Which is both good and annoying. I appreciate the attention to detail, but it would be nice to have any speaker support when I just need to hear something quickly.
The graphics drivers are still in active development, but they have OpenGL3.1 support. Vulkan is under development.
I haven’t tried games, but have seen some posts where users have them working. I don’t think many games are compiled for arm yet though. The graphics dev did a youtube stream back in march where she plays steam games using FEX-Emu. www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJSfFzsU75g
There are people in my workplace (which uses Gmail) who willingly use Outlook to access it then complain about Outlook problems. Outlook is the biggest piece of trash email client software I’ve ever used.
At one place I worked at, it was OBLITERATING any mails from one particular person because of a completely unrelated filter I had. Email notifications from them would appear for a few seconds, then the email would completely disappear (not even in deleted, or in any filter folders). Everyone else cced could see the emails except me, and IT couldn’t figure it out. I had to disable ALL my filters which trashed my inbox with stupid work circulars. Fuck Outlook.
To all the burn it down and rebuild leftists (by protesting and not voting for the lesser of 2 evils) tell me how well that went for the Communists in Germany and Italy the last time mask off fascism rose to power there…
Edit: Not one of these “Self-righteous leftists” have addressed my question about what happened to leftists in Germany or Italy when fascist took power there. Its almost like they dont give a shit about the Prolitariat and would rather engage in purity politics rather than support the working class or marginalized communities. Absolutely pathetic astroturfing, or simply a complete disregard for the Materical Conditions on the ground in America.
If you want to teach the Democrats a lesson, do it earlier. The presidential election isn’t the time nor place to play games - as we saw with Trump setting the country back years.
The amount of people I knew who were like, “There’s no way Hillary could lose so I don’t need to vote,” or, “Bernie got fucked so I’m not voting out of spite,” were too damn high
The “best” part was seeing how low the voter turnout was in our district that typically leans blue, well in 2016 the turnout was hella low and it went hella red for the first time in a long time
Looking at raw numbers the red was pretty consistent from election to election but that year so many people who would vote blue didn’t vote that it swung the election
Felt bad but now those people I know haven’t missed a single election
Not voting for the lesser of two evils is the most childish shit. People like to bring up that Geralt quote, as if the situation in that story wasn’t made a hell of a lot worse by his decision not to choose.
If you’re not gonna vote blue all the way down, then you need to put your money where your mouth is and start burning it down so you can rebuild it. Otherwise you aren’t protesting, you’re just being lazy.
And 45 being in power would have made it all better and would have supprorted Freeing Palestine. /s Give me a fuxking break. Implying that i support Genocide is ridiculous, I’ve attended 2 Free Palestine marches in D.C. so far, have written the president to voice my opposition to the funding of Israel, and contacted my Representative. What have you done besides engaging in whataboutism on the internet? Biden sucks, but implying that voting for him and/or supporting dems in the midterms is supporting Genocide is assinine especially when you factor the right wanting to commit Genocide on trans folk in the US. You are supporting Genocide by not voting for the lesser of 2 evils you self-righteous internet sjw. Touch grass and engage in Praxis if you actually care.
Furthermore you are a shite internet SJW you haven’t posted an ounce of OC. I’m an internet sjw myself, dont get me wrong, but at least I post OC. Have you ever had an original thought? Or do you just puppet what gets upvoted on Lemmygrad…
Anyone who supports Genocide Jim Crow Joe Biden is a genocide supporter. It’s that simple.
I’ve attended 2 Free Palestine marches in D.C. so far, have written the president to voice my opposition to the funding of Israel, and contacted my Representative.
And then supported him regardless. This is just performative bullshit for you to attempt to salve your conscience. You are complicit in genocide by directly supporting Joe Biden.
Biden sucks, but implying that voting for him and/or supporting dems in the midterms is supporting Genocide is assinine especially when you factor the right wanting to commit Genocide on trans folk in the US.
The right? Are you trying to claim that the Dems are not “the right”? So your concern is for a tiny fraction of a tiny percentage of the world’s population, rather than the millions who are murdered by America worldwide? At least you admit it. American lives are worth multiples of other humans, right? Scumbag.
Also relative to the Dems the Republicans are right, you absolute ham sandwich. I’ll vote for a Neoliberal all damn day to fight mask off fascism that the Republican party is championing.
No it isnt, allowing tge Republicans to win would quite literally stain my hands with the blood of my trans Comrades. Your whataboutisms are pathetic, glad you are privileged enough to not have to worry about mask off fascism taking control in America. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils still reduces the amount of evil in the world.
Why are you appropriating left wing terms to try justify your genocide? How many of the tiny percentage of humanity is American? And what percentage of those are trans? And of those, what percentage are “comrades”, do they support genocide too?
You’re just making up excuses for your white supremacism.
Voting for the lesser of 2 evils still reduces the amount of evil in the world.
It literally doesn’t you ignorant Nazi removed. It just papers over the cracks.
The only moral choice you have is to stop supporting the USA.
lol, somehow he believes that if you had voted for Trump none of this would have happened and Trump who is suggesting we remove all Palestinians from the US would have handled this better.
And seemingly also believes that had you done nothing it would have been a more powerful statement. Right, because allowing Trump to win would have been a good “fuck you” to Biden without any real world consequences.
Unless these people are out there plotting the coup of the history of mankind and not just idly complaining on the internet, then they need to just stop.
Oh, then proceeds to come up with some “trans lives don’t matter when compared to _____” or “you care more about ____ than _____?” Again, quit it.
Ive attended multi protests/marches and have made a plethora of memes that spread class conciousness. However the onus isn’t on me to give my praxis bonafides when I’m not the one encouraging civicdisengagement. What praxis havd you practiced?
I’m literally advocating more political engagement, “you’ve got to vote to prevent fascism” is a lie, you’ve got to do a hell of a lot more than protesting and voting and making memes.
Underneath a meme I made while shitting, youre welcome. If you dont understand how building class conciousness isn’t synonymous with building power, all i can tell you is that you need to read more theory.
Never said it did, its encouraging political engagement, which you are actively discouraging by disparaging the Electoral system, which is a tool to stave off fascism long enough for class conciousness to build.
Electoral system, which is a tool to stave off fascism long enough for class conciousness to build.
It literally isn’t, and it has never worked as one. What historical examples are you basing this on? How many books have you actually read on the subject?
I would start with the “economy and class structure of german fascism”, “The capital order” goes into how neoliberalism is connected to fascisms modern resurgence.
I’ll see if my library has em, but i am very well aware of how Neoliberalism is connected to fascism from what I have read on marxists.org I just dont agree with abstaining/denegrating the electoral process to remain ideologically pure. Criticism is great, but discouraging voter turn out in leftist spaces does nothing but accelerate mask off fascism from returning to power ie. The 2016 election.
So I would love to know. Would voting for either no one or a third party be a big “fuck you joe!” with no real world consequences? Is that seriously your belief?
Voting for one of two given candidates is far from actually directly supporting someone. You do not know what they did before the generals. Who they supported in the primaries. Unless you are literally out there plotting the coup to outdo all the coups of mankind and not idly sitting complaining online, then you have zero room to attack someone for voting for the less of two evils.
Unless, of course, you believe Trump would have somehow done better or prevented this. The guy saying he would remove all the Palestinians from the US. The guy that the creators and backers of Project 2025 wants to be their guy
And quit it with the “a tiny percentage of people is better than _____”. For one, well over a million people is not just some group to throw to the side to support another group and you’re literally doing the same thing you’re accusing this person of doing. Second, if you think that trans people by themselves are the only target of all that nonsense, then you are seriously incorrect.
Your hands would be clean of blood and you can say you didn’t participate in the charade that led to the deaths of millions.
Voting for one of two given candidates is far from actually directly supporting someone.
It’s literally supporting one of them. That’s what it is. Participating in the American regime’s phony processes legitimises them.
Unless, of course, you believe Trump would have somehow done better or prevented this.
I don’t care. There’s no air between them. Biden took all of Trump’s policies and made them worse. You don’t care about the policies, just the personalities.
For one, well over a million people is not just some group to throw to the side to support another group
This is literally your logic, remember? The lesser of two evils?
Second, if you think that trans people by themselves are the only target of all that nonsense, then you are seriously incorrect.
Are the other targets Americans too? If so, fuck them, the vast majority of Americans support its continued existence.
Alright, continue believing this nonsense. Again, unless you are actively working on a massive coup to destroy this system, then all of your talk and nonsense is going to do nothing to help anyone.
There isn’t one major political group in the entire world that you standing up by doing nothing does anything about. Not one.
And again, you call for the attack of other people in order to save another, which is exactly what you accused him of.
All you’ve got are some shit excuses to support a genocidal regime that’s killed and displaced tens of millions around the world and continues to do so today.
Doing nothing as you call it is the only moral choice in the context of American “democracy”.
you call for the attack of other people in order to save another
That’s your shtick, not mine. I said to “do nothing” remember? Can’t even be consistent in a single comment.
No, you are suggesting that their support of one group is an attack on others. Your position is that is wrong.
You proceed to say “fuck em” about Americans who are under threat of attack. Which is a contradiction of your beliefs, at least if you take it at face value. You provide no other context and appear to be of the position that American suffering (individuals, not the regime. We can agree the regime needs to be destroyed) is of no consequence to you.
It’s a shame that both sides of us have to just jump to attacking each other instead of the much larger target that we BOTH agree needs to be dismantled. Much more could be done. This whole “left vs liberal” thing is such a waste of time.
That’s my point. Instead of attacking them, talk to them. Share your opinions, but don’t do it in some “I know more than you” and “I know what your beliefs are” type of way. None of us know each other outside of the little pieces of text we post here.
No, you are suggesting that their support of one group is an attack on others. Your position is that is wrong.
The USA has killed millions of innocent people in the past decade alone. How is this wrong?
You proceed to say “fuck em” about Americans who are under threat of attack.
Those millions of people are killed in their name and not only do they not do anything about it, they actively make excuses that if they don’t enable the genocides, then they’ll be killed instead, the epic cowards.
the position that American suffering (individuals, not the regime. We can agree the regime needs to be destroyed) is of no consequence to you.
No, not those complicit in American genocides, you for example and the vast majority of other Americans. Was every Nazi in WW2 completely aware of everything they were enabling? Probably not, do we still think they should be eliminated? Well? Do you?
It’s a shame that both sides of us have to just jump to attacking each other
You’re a Joe Biden supporter. You deserve it.
Your entire thesis here is just excuse making to support a genocidal regime. We have nothing in common.
I really dont know what in the fuck they are suggesting, they sound like a Russian shill trying to derail the rising tide of Class Conciousness in America by encouraging leftists to not vote, allowing the mask off fascist Republicans to win. They would apparently rather be ideologically pure and let the fascists win, than pinch their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils and maintain the status quo where large swaths of the population are actively waking up to the hypocrisies of our Capitalist system. Either way they reek of astroturf and are extremely disingenuous, and have completely ignored the onus i set for them to explain what happened in Italy and Germany when fascist took control there, because they dont give a shit and just want to see America burn. They dont give a damn about the Prolitariat.
Not one of these “Self-righteous leftists” have addressed my question about what happened to leftists in Germany or Italy when fascist took power there.
Because your question implies that selfish concerns ought to outweigh principles…
Maybe you should get your Facts right. The KPD only didnt participate in the 1919 election. In the last Reichstags eleciton in 1933 they got 12,3%. They where removed and procecuted after the Nazis blamed a Communist for the Reichstags fire. idk much about Italy but they also got a few seats before Mussolini. To your question about what happened to German Communists, they where either put into Prisons/KZs and killed there, flead to the Soviets or went to Spain to fight Facism there. idk about Italy but probalby the same.
Eyuppp the fascists killed them or ran them out of the country. The Prolitariat was never able to achieve the necessary class conciousness needed for a successful revolution and human history entered into one of its darkest and bloodiest chapters. Mask of fascism is bad for the Prolitariat and voting is the bare minimum of civic duty to prevent it from taking hold in a nation.
I never said it would have, was merely asking what happened to Communist in those countries when fascism came to power there. Your disingenuousness is showing.
Mask of fascism is bad for the Prolitariat and voting is the bare minimum of civic duty to prevent it from taking hold in a nation.
But voting didn’t prevent fascism in all the countries youre describing. In fact, theyre examples of how voting within a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie can’t prevent fascism.
Please note my use of the term bare minimum, if you arent going to vote you sure as shit arent going to organize. Voting is the bare minimum and an easy first step towards being more politically involved, why are you trying to discourage leftists from voting so hard? Do you want fascism to win the election or something?
Voting in bourgeois democracy is a way of channeling political activity into an unproductive avenue. It doesn’t follow that voting is required for political involvement. And also your original claim was that it was the bare minimum, it isnt. It is below the bare minimum. You could say “it is a step toward the bare minimum” and I’d disagree but that would be more accurate to what I believe you’re trying to convey.
Literally making radical unions as part of a socialist organization and doing serious mutual aid work. Providing logistical support to protestors where protesting=/=marching
I’m not saying that voting harder back then would have changed anything, but drawing a parallel between then and America today where mask of Fascism is very much on the ballot tomorrow and a year from now in the presidential election. Not voting to protect one’s ideological purity is the height of privilege.
Okay but voting didn’t prevent fascism in those countries. Fascism didn’t happen because some communists and anarchists refused to vote, it happened because of class war on the part of the petite bourgeoisie and precarious haut bourgeoisie
As I recall, back in the late 90s there was a story in the Wall Street Journal about a man who loved receiving email spam. After a long day’s work he would go home and relax by looking through his email spam and order things.
Yeah, when I watch sports events from other countries it’s interesting to see the commercials, even if I don’t speak the language. It’s when I have to watch 20 minutes of the same commercials every hour that it gets bad.
So if you spend months preparing a harvest, you’d be cool with someone turning up in the night and taking the crops after you’ve done all the hard work? After all the land wouldn’t being to you.
So do you think it’s fair for a group of people to raid a farm and pick what they haven’t contributed to growing as long as they take just enough to feed themselves, piggybacking off the work of the farmer? Why should the farmer agree to this?
Edit: rewrote the question to satisfy people who think asking questions about is somehow combative.
Sounds like you’re purposely twisting the person you’re responding to’s words to make them sound bad. It just ends up making you sound combative and doesnt further your arguement
Its not pertinent questions if you invent a scenario that the person you have questioned have not said they support. Do you think its fair to blame someone for something they did if a person put a loaded gun to their head and told them to do it? (See? My question has NOTHING to do with anything you’ve stated previously)
I invented a hypothetical scenario for a thought experiment yes. I don’t think it’s implausible as a scenario in a communal situation. If there is no private farmland property there is nothing to stop people just straight up taking things and abusing the goodwill of the farmer.
Except raiders by their VERY NATURE will raid regardless of whether the property is owned or not. Dude keeps up bringing up fairness as a key point to what he’s saying, and you keep inventing INHERENTLY UNFAIR scenarios that dont apply to what the person you are responding to is saying. Fairness = those who contribute more get more, those who contribute less get less
I’ve already admitted the word raid was the incorrect one. I was just questioning the idea that farmers should produce food for no compensation and that anybody should be free to work their land.
“raid” implies non-consent, so no, that’s not fair.
It’s also not fair for a farmer to find some prime farmland, build a fence around it and say no one else can touch it, and then keep everything it produces to himself, and then call everyone who wasn’t able to claim good land but still wants to eat a thief.
Why does he get rights to the land just because he said it’s his? That leads to feudalism.
“Civilization” is about finding balance to what’s fair.
It’s unfair for people to want something for nothing.
That extends to people wanting food, and also to the farmer claiming land.
Some arrangement where the farmer gets to keep his crops, but can’t exclude people from also working the land, with some sort of communal oversight to make sure the land is being worked well seems fair.
I agree the word raid was the wrong word to use there
They don’t just find land and build a fence around it though in the modern era, that’s extremely reductionist. They pay for the privilege to work the land. Society as a whole agree the land is his because of this.
How do you parse how much belongs to the farmer and how much belongs to the community? I would argue we already have an arrangement like that. Who oversees this and what do they get out of if?
Most importantly where is the incentive to maximise yield if people are just growing personal crops? What if you want to eat but don’t want to work the land?
You’re moving your goalposts at this point. The original point was literally about people claiming land in a primitive extraction system.
In the modern era people also don’t just walk up and demand bushels of barely from farmers, so ignoring the entirety of a comment to reply with how changing the context makes it irrelevant is just a bad faith discussion tactic.
Yes, a modern economic system is hard to develop inside of a single comment. I hope we can at least agree that feudalism is bad, despite it respecting the Lord’s property rights, and also that no one is okay with letting the Saxon horde take all our grain.
And, to jump straight to your questions about the modern day: I would propose a system where the vast majority of the engines of production would be worker owned, allowing them to select their own management as primary shareholders.
By merit of existing in society people would be entitled to food, shelter, medicine, a means to better themselves, and the basic dignites of modern life (clothing, the ability to have children, the ability to do more than sit in the floor and stare at the wall).
Beyond what’s needed to provide these basics, the excess value produced would be given to those that produced it in the form of “currency”, which can be exchanged for “goods” and “services”.
I’m aware that’s not how the modern world works,but evidently there are many in this thread who thinks that’s how it should work. I don’t think I’m engaging in bad faith whatsoever, I’m trying to actively address your points.
Why should workers own the means of production? What is incentivising them to even create the means of production without profit motive?
If workers own the means of production, what would stop them from deciding they’d rather sell said means to a capitalist for a profit?
Does every worker have an equal ownership? Does someone who has been working there for 10 years have the same rights as someone who is new? How do you decide this and who is overseeing this? What mechanisms exist to stop the primary shareholders from just assuming control and deciding to pay wages to people instead?
Who said anything about getting rid of profits? I directly mentioned that they would go to the workers. That’s what would give them incentive to do more than just live.
People go to work, people get paid, people spend their money on luxury goods like they do today. People are also entitled to the basics of life if they fall on hard times.
The capitalist can’t buy the means of production, because that’s not how ownership would work. He could get a job there, pay everyone to quit, and then as the only worker he would be entitled to everything that he made. Or he could convince the shareholders that he would be the best person to run the place, and become a worker that way.
Why should the Lord get to tell the serfs what to do, and take all their excess food just because he stabbed the old lord? Aren’t you in favor of the farmers getting to keep the food that they grew, without having to share with freeloaders?
I have no idea how the specifics of compensation would work. There are different models taken by different worker owned businesses, so there’s no single answer. Like with any business, the shareholders tend to elect a board to make most high level decisions, which includes ultimate responsibility for deciding compensation structure, which ownership levels for new workers would fall under.
This isn’t talking Soviet communism. This is basic democratic socialism with a hint of a spite towards the investor class who makes their living taking excess value from people who actually do stuff.
But the crucial thing is, people are already allowed to form co-operatives, there is nothing stopping you doing it for example. But outside of a select few niche industries they are generally less efficient and get outcompeted by traditional top down companies.
Being less efficient and being outcompeted are not synonymous.
We live in a system that overtly rewards and encourages people to organize things such that they’re rewarded for extracting excess value from workers and syphoning it to themselves and their investors.
Of course companies that do that are rewarded, because it’s designed that way.
That doesn’t make it more efficient, and it certainly doesn’t make it right.
Also, you’re failing to consider state owned enterprises, which is particularly popular in socialist democracies.
You’ve also entirely failed to explain why contributing money to an enterprise should entitle you to live off others work indefinitely.
Why does investment entitle people to live off said thing? That’s because there are agreements between the parties involved. If I want to start a business and need seed money I willingly enter a contract with investors just as they willingly risk their investment capital.
Of course they are more efficient, nobody sets up co operatives. If they were a more efficient way of running a business more people would do it.
You have an ideological disagreement with private ownership is how im interpretting your stance unless im misunderstanding. However. The idea of these communal structures society wide has died long ago because it simply can’t work inside the framework of how human beings are biologically wired. We are tribal primates, feudal hierarchical structures continue to be proven as inevitable despite all of our best efforts. Even with communism some of the earliest writings out of Russia one of the immediate concerns brought about by Russian revolutionaries was the concern that the class hierarchy in communism begins with the inception of the revolutionary class (those who are organizing and leading the revolution) and without fail thats what happened in every communist state. The revolutionaries took over and the first thing to happen is establishment of class hierarchy just like what happens in capitalist society. Collective agriculture in Russia and in China and in central america and in north korea lead to millions starved to death.
capitalism is a fucked up system. Rife with exploitation and amorality. But its also the system that has lifted the most people globally out of abject poverty than anything else in human history. It has raised life expectancies higher than ever before seen. It has lowered infant mortality by ridiculous levels. The number of people dying in war is lower than ever.
You have a government that in its constitution says right in the headline is “to provide for the general welfare” of its citizens. If you want to talk about more fair levels of distribution of essential resources then you utilize your government to negotiate buying food from the farmer and instituting a distribution mechanism for the people. Same reason why in my opinion I believe medicare needs to beable to negotiate with drug companies over prices. There needs to be a middle ground.
Yes, you have misinterpreted my position. I’m not opposed to private property. I love having stuff. Stuff is some of my favorite things to have, truth be told.
I’m opposed to hoarding, and I’m opposed to exploitation.
If the farmer wants to farm the land and sell the food, I’m all for that. If the land owner wants to have the farmer farm the land, then take all the money from the farmer selling it, keep most of it and pay the farmer just enough to get by, I think that instead the farmer should get that money.
When your contribution to the process is “I have stuff, so you should give me more”, then I question why you’re needed for the system to function.
Do you have anything to contribute? I’m trying to have an actual discussion about policy.
I think the profit incentive is important in maximising yield, do you have anything to add to this as to why I may be wrong? Or are you just going to signal me as an other so that others just switch off and get defensive.
I think it’s kind of ironic that some claim to want the world to see things from their point of view but then immediately attack those who question their views or try to understand. This just suggests to me you’re more about signalling to your in group than growth in ideas and discussion.
There is a lot to discuss. I’m discussing about why I think communal style living/economics don’t scale well. You think it does, there are reasons we both have our opinions and maybe we could actually learn from each other rather than you viewing me as someone to be defeated.
Of course discussion is needed. How else do you expand your mind and thoughts without discussing things? I don’t take your views as being inherently true in much the same way you don’t take mine, that’s healthy and normal.
Inequality, poverty, starvation, suffering, war… C’mon, man. These are issues that don’t need to exist, but do so in order to keep certain people in power. It’s all part of the machine.
You don’t need to discuss whether the sky appears blue because we know how sunlight interacts with our atmosphere. The same is true for this issue.
I would argue the primary cause of all of these problems is that we live in a world of finite resources. I think all of those things would still be problems under any political system we tried to implement. If there was plenty of resources for everyone we would just multiply until that wasn’t the case any more.
I reject the notion that we could rid the world of these things, the entirety of human history provides empirical evidence that backs me up on this. I think it’s fantastical to think we could rid the world of these things, all we can do is try to reduce the impact as best we can in the limited ways that we can as individuals and as a society.
We produce more than enough food to feed everyone. Even if you say something like logistics is an issue, we could still feed everyone in the developed nations at least, but we don’t. That’s a choice.
Climate change is much more of a practical issue than starvation and poverty. We already have solutions for starvation as I said.
We don’t have solutions for starvation at all on a global scale and we do try to feed everyone in developed nations that’s why countries have welfare. I agree the welfare safety net should be stronger generally, but I don’t think people starving to death is a widespread issue in developed nations. The homeless are much more likely to die due to lack of shelter or drug issues.
That’s what I am trying to tell you. There are no logistical problems we don’t have the capacity to solve, it’s simply not profitable to do so. Feeding the poor who can’t pay you isn’t profitable so it doesn’t get done.
Geopolitical, as in a combination of political, cultural and geographical.
I don’t think noting the problem is partially political is enough to say it’s easily solveable.
I think we’re coming at this from a different philosophy, you see politics as something that is easily changeable, I see it as a product of environmental and cultural positions. Changing the entire world’s politics is a nigh on impossible task.
You see geopolitics as a variable, I see it as a constraint on the actual variables.
You’re conflating ownership of the means of production with ownership of the fruits of one’s labor. The land itself can’t be owned, but things you have produced can be.
I went on a ghost tour once and they tried to use an EM reader like a goddamn PKE.
‘This timeball tower is haunted by an old keeper look!!’
Bitch you’re literally surrounded by people with mobile phones in their pockets, and there’s a goddamn maritime signalling tower on top of the damned thing.
Not sure how is it in other European countries but I associate those particular spices with Christmas. The phrase pumpkin spice didn’t use to be a thing here but now thanks to American influence and marketing people you can buy all sorts of pumpkin spice products here. Some even sell pumpkin latte to make it even more confusing.
Until I read these comments I thought the “white” was about snow due to my associating this with Christmas. It was very confusing and annoying cos Xmas is months away until I revisited this thread and realised.
The bottom right corner of the angle is the origin, putting the majority of the arc in quadrant II.
0 degrees starts on the positive x-axis to right.
Counterclockwise is a positive angle.
All degrees are relative to the edges of the picture.
The side nearest to the positive y-axis is at ~92.38°
The side nearest to the negative x-axis is at ~180.32°
The angle or the arc is ~87.94°
An actual 89° arc, I do appreciate. An 88° arc labelled as an 89°, I do not. I ardently hope you gain more skill in measuring angles, and have less malice that causes you to wish your misery on others.
I mean, you could find out… unless you’d rather rely on internetizens to tell you the truth.
There are plenty of free online image protractors available. You could even print out a paper protractor and hold it up to your screen.
Being willing to try to answer your own questions, and then succeeding is one of the most rewarding feelings. Take a walk on the wild side, and give in to your curiosity.
I mean there’s no reason that a perfectionist would be irritated by an 89 degree angle, so I suspect this meme has had its way with you just as intended
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