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bh11235 , to lemmyshitpost in Sure it's artificial, but is it intelligent?

An old anecdote from my alma mater – in an introductory course to discrete math, the professor was teaching combinatorics and began: “Suppose you have an urn with three balls inside colored red, green and blue…” At this point one of the students interjected: “Half the class are electrical engineering majors, how is any of this relevant to our studies?” there was a beat and the professor corrected himself: “Suppose you have an urn with three resistors inside colored red, green and blue…”

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mateomaui , to politics in Mega Thread - Donald Trump Pleads Not Guilty to Conspiring to Defraud the United States in Arraignment - Washington DC

I’ll add here again that the judge randomly assigned is Judge Tanya S Chutkan, a 2014 Obama appointee, who ruled against Trump trying to keep his documents secret from investigations, saying “Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President.”

lawandcrime.com/…/presidents-are-not-kings-and-pl…

mateomaui ,

She’s playing it straight in public but you know right before she walks out her front door at home it’s gonna be like this

i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/…/625.jpg

surewhynotlem ,

Hopefully with an armed escort. His followers are nuts, and not exactly a fan of black people or women.

mateomaui ,

Oh yeah, got the same concerns for DA Willis in GA.

moistclump ,

I like her. The full quote was:

“Plaintiff does not acknowledge the deference owed to the incumbent President’s judgment. His position that he may override the express will of the executive branch appears to be premised on the notion that his executive power ‘exists in perpetuity,'” U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan wrote in the ruling. “But Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President. He retains the right to assert that his records are privileged, but the incumbent President ‘is not constitutionally obliged to honor’ that assertion.”

mateomaui ,

Indeed, I’m looking forward to her judgement quotes from this case as well.

bleistift2 , (edited ) to lemmyshitpost in Sweet tea

But sugar dissolves in cold water. It just takes a bit longer. This is 9th grade chemistry. At 20°C 203.9g sugar are soluble per 100ml of water.

[Edit: Sorry, for the Americans here: At 68°F, 1 cup of sugar is soluble in 21/50 cups of water.]

Wikipedia (de): Zucker cites Hans-Albert Kurzhals: Lexikon Lebensmitteltechnik. Volume 2: L – Z. Behr, Hamburg 2003, ISBN 3-86022-973-7, p. 723.

risottinopazzesco ,

And most of all, solubility being a function of the temperature, if you lower it the excess sugar will leave the solution and cristallize.

thebestaquaman ,

I came here to say this, but the best Aqua is without sugar anyway.

risottinopazzesco ,

Preach

Buddahriffic , (edited )

It takes time for that to happen and in the meantime you can have a gross oversaturated solution.

Edit: not even oversaturated, would just take a long time for all that sugar to dissolve unless it’s hot.

ares35 ,
@ares35@kbin.social avatar

example: you don't make a pitcher of kool-aid with hot water.

however, adding sugar to the hot tea does work better than adding it after it's already chilled.

Tangent5280 ,

How? Wouldn’t the excess sugar just come out of solution when the tea cools down again?

TonyTonyChopper ,

It dissolves quickly when the solution is warm. You would need to add a ridiculous amount for it to be saturated at room temp or slightly below. https://mander.xyz/pictrs/image/3ceb50d1-c7b3-4e3d-9860-4ec77b800581.jpeg

“ice cold” water can hold about 170 grams of sugar in 100 grams of water

Rolando ,

If sweet tea drinkers could read they’d be very upset by that graph.

…is what I was going to say, but man it took me a while to figure out and I’m still not 100% sure I really understand it. The specific gravity line and the sucrose vs solution line are tied to the sucrose dissolved in water curve, right? Wait, the left axis is merging two different scales? Sometimes data really isn’t beautiful.

Rodeo ,

The labels on the vertical axes match the labels on the lines. So the right vertical axis is for specific gravity (the grey line), and the left axis for the other two lines.

TonyTonyChopper ,

Ignore everything but the orange line and the left y-axis. It’s just showing the weight of sugar that fits in 100g of water, vs temperature. The blue one shows that value as a percentage, g sugar divided by total sugar and water.

willeypete23 ,

Right but you’re forgetting there are already other things dissolved in the water as their not using pure, de-ionized water, and they’re adding in tea.

bleistift2 ,

I don’t think the ions and “tea molecules” really matter compared to 170g of sugar. Does a glass of water get notably heavier after adding in tea?

TonyTonyChopper ,

correct

TonyTonyChopper ,

Tap water usually sits around 200 ppm or 0.02% minerals. The tea leaves themselves, as I make my tea, are around 10g/L. Say the leaves dissolve 10% as an overestimation. That gives you water with 0.1% tea, 0.02% other. The solubility limit for sugar is 63% (by mass).

NielsBohron ,
@NielsBohron@lemmy.world avatar

In general, the amount of salts or other organic molecules do not affect the solubility of sugar (or any other solute). The solubility of any solute in water is a constant (for a given temperature), as long as whatever is already dissolved does not have any compounds or ions in common with the next solute.

For example, if we wanted to dissolve sodium chloride into a solution of potassium chloride, the amount of chloride already dissolved would affect the amount of NaCl we could dissolve. But if we wanted to dissolve NaCl into a solution of potassium iodide, the KI would have zero effect on the NaCl solubility.

So, since tea has zero molecules in common with the sucrose, the yes shouldn’t affect the solubility of sucrose at all. The only exception would be if solution is acidic, the sucrose can break down into glucose and fructose, of which the tea may have a small (negligible) amount.

Plus we’re not actually saturating the sweet tea. Saturated sugar water is a syrup, so you know just by the consistency that sweet tea is nowhere near saturated.

TonyTonyChopper ,

Good details. Thanks Niels Bohron lol

raptir ,

They’re not super saturating it. They’re putting an amount of sugar in the tea that can dissolve at room temperature, it just takes a long time to do so.

Tangent5280 ,

Ok, got it. Someone in this thread mentioned ice cold water can still hold 1.7x its weight in sugar.

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah basically, leave the pitcher to evaporate and you get your sugar back as a coating on thr glass

MercuryUprising ,

Have you seen how much sugar those hicks put into their tea though? It’s gotta be hot because they put coca cola grade amounts of sugar, to the point where it wont dissolve in the water anymore. Sweet tea contains 36-38 grams of sugar per 16 oz. That’s a fucking soft drink.

bleistift2 ,

16 oz (454ml) can dissolve some 900 grams of sugar, far in excess of 38 grams. Sugar is ridiculously soluble in water.

Majoof ,

Please attempt this and post results

NielsBohron ,
@NielsBohron@lemmy.world avatar

It’s easy. It’s just making simple syrup.

The consistency alone is enough to know that sweet tea is nowhere near saturated.

flames5123 ,

When I make my sweet tea, I use two cups per gallon, which comes out to about 50g of sugar per 16oz. And it’s delicious! It’s definitely not a “drink all the time” type drink. I only make it a few times a year for friends.

Mosdef ,

Grams per ounce? You guys are savages with your units for concentration.

MercuryUprising ,

You just need to do more drugs

strawberrysocial ,

That’s very thoughtful of you to provide the imperial measurements as well for Americans ☺️

hth , to mildlyinfuriating in Table Flip Time 🙃

Anytime you see a password length cap you know they are not following current security standards. If they aren’t following them for something so simple and visible, you’d better believe it’s a rat infested pile of hot garbage under the hood, as evidenced here.

Mrduckrocks ,

Atleast this is reasonable, I have seen some website don’t allow more than 6 character.

teuast ,

WTF? Are they trying to get hit with brute force attacks?

tdawg ,

In theory yes. But in practice the DB will almost always have some cap on the field length. They could just be exposing that all the way forward. Especially depending on their infastructure it could very well be that whatever modeling system they use is tightly integrated with their form generation too. So the dev (junior or otherwise) thought it would be a good idea to be explicit about the requirement

That said, you are right that this is still wrong. They should use something with a large enough cap that it doesn’t matter and also remove the copy telling the use what that cap is

TheButtonJustSpins ,

Hashing will make every password the same length.

intensely_human ,

Right but that puts a limit on the hash algorithm’s input length. After a certain length you can’t guarantee a lack of collisions.

Of course the probability stays low, but at a certain point it becomes possible.

brygphilomena ,

Collisions have always been a low concern. If, for arguments sake, I.hate.password. had a collision with another random password like kag63!gskfh-$93+"ja the odds of the collision password being cracked would be virtually non-existent. It’s not a statistically probable occurrence to be worried about.

__dev ,

This is plainly false. Hash collisions aren’t more likely for longer passwords and there’s no guarantee there aren’t collisions for inputs smaller than the hash size. The way secure hashing algorithms avoid collisions is by making them astronomically unlikely and that doesn’t change for longer inputs.

tdawg ,

yup yup. Forgot we were talking about a protected field and not just raw data

BorgDrone ,

You misunderstand the issue. The length of the password should not have any effect on the size of the database field. The fact that it apparently does is a huge red flag. You hash the password and store the hash in the db. For example, a sha256 hash is always 32 bytes long, no matter how much data you feed into it (btw, don’t use sha256 to hash passwords, it was just an example. It’s not a suitable password hashing algorithm as it’s not slow enough).

tdawg ,

ur absolutely right. Idk why I was thinking about it like a normal text/char field

intensely_human ,

At my job they just forced me to use a minimum 15-character password. Apparently my password got compromised, or at least that was someone’s speculation because apparently not everyone is required to have a 15-char password.

My job is retail, and I type my password about 50 times a day in the open, while customers and coworkers and security cameras are watching me.

I honestly don’t know how I’m expected to keep my password secure in these circumstances. We should have physical keys or biometrics for this. Passwords are only useful when you enter them in private.

captainlezbian ,

Yeah you should have a key card. Like not even from a security perspective but from an efficiency one. Tap a keycard somewhere that would be easily seen if an unauthorized person were to even touch or even swipe it if need be. I’m sick and tired of passwords at workplaces when they can be helped

smokie12 ,

Ask your boss to get you a yubikey

intensely_human ,

It’s an enormous corporation. They’d have to outfit every computer in the building for the yubikey. It’s not going to happen.

Primarily0617 ,

you have to limit it somewhere or you're opening yourself up for a DoS attack

password hashing algorithms are literally designed to be resource intensive

confusedbytheBasics , (edited )

Edited to remove untrue information. Thanks for the corrections everyone.

adambowles ,

Hashes are one way functions. You can’t get from hash back to input

taipan_snake ,

Only if the hash function is designed well

confusedbytheBasics ,

True. I was all kinds of incorrect in my hasty typing. I’ll update it to be less wrong.

andrew ,
@andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun avatar

Not true. Password hashing algorithms should be resource intensive enough to prevent brute force calculation from being a viable route. This is why bcrypt stores a salt, a hash, and the current number of rounds. That number of rounds should increase as CPUs get faster to prevent older hashes from existing in the wild which can be more effectively broken by newer CPUs.

confusedbytheBasics ,

I was incorrect about the goal being minimal resources. I should have written that that goal was to have controlled resource usage. The salt does not increase the expense of the the hash function. Key stretching techniques like adding rounds increase the expense to reach the final hash output but does not increase the expense of the hash function. High password length allowances of several thousand characters should not lead to a denial of service attack but they don’t materially increase security after a certain length either.

andrew ,
@andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun avatar

I’m arguing semantics here but bcrypt is the hashing function. Per the Wikipedia article on bcrypt:

bcrypt is a password-hashing function designed by Niels Provos and David Mazières, based on the Blowfish cipher and presented at USENIX in 1999.

Blowfish being a symmetric encryption cipher, not a hashing function.

Agreed on the rest, though. The hashing cost of a long password would not lead to DOS any more than the bandwidth of accepting that password etc. It’s not the bottleneck. But also no extra security beyond a point, so might as well not bother when passwords are too long.

confusedbytheBasics ,

Semantics aside it sounds like we are in agreement. Have another upvote. :)

Why does upvoting feel better without a karma system? shrug

Primarily0617 ,

Incorrect.

They're designed to be resource intensive to calculate to make them harder to brute force, and impossible to reverse.

Some literally have a parameter which acts as a sliding scale for how difficult they are to calculate, so that you can increase security as hardware power advances.

confusedbytheBasics ,

I was incorrect but I still disagree with you. The hashing function is not designed to be resource intensive but to have a controlled cost. Key stretching by adding rounds repeats the controlled cost to make computing the final hash more expensive but the message length passed to the function isn’t really an issue. After the first round it doesn’t matter if the message length was 10, 128, or 1024 bytes because each round after is only getting exactly the number of bytes the one way hash outputs.

Primarily0617 ,

It depends on the hash. E.g., OWASP only recommends 2 iterations of Argon2id as a minimum.

Yes, a hashing function is designed to be resource intensive, since that's what makes it hard to brute force. No, a hashing function isn't designed to be infinitely expensive, because that would be insane. Yes, it's still a bad thing to provide somebody with a force multiplier like that if they want to run a denial-of-service.

confusedbytheBasics ,

I’m a bit behind on password specific hashing techniques. Thanks for the education.

My background more in general purpose one way hashing functions where we want to be able to calculate hashes quickly, without collisions, and using a consistent amount of resources.

If the goal is to be resource intensive why don’t modern hashing functions designed to use more resources? What’s the technical problem keeping Argon2 from being designed to eat even more cycles?

Primarily0617 , (edited )

Argon2 has parameters that allow you to specify the execution time, the memory required, and the degree of parallelism.

But at a certain point you get diminishing returns and you're just wasting resources. It seems like a similar question to why not just use massive encryption keys.

lotanis ,

See “Password Hashing” here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_derivation_function

It is actually important to have a controlled cost to calculate in the forward direction too.

confusedbytheBasics ,

Totally true. I stand corrected. Thank you.

Saneless ,

At least it’s 128

I had a phone carrier that changed from a pin to a “password” but it couldn’t be more than 4 characters

ehyuman ,

my bank…

Boeman ,

That’s too many characters

crunchyoutside ,

Are you saying that any site which does not allow a 27 yobibyte long password is not following current security standards?
I think a 128 character cap is a very reasonable compromise between security and sanity.

shotgun_crab ,

Do you really need more than 128 characters?

lanolinoil ,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

I’m going to ruin this man’s whole database

Mr_Dr_Oink , to mildlyinfuriating in Online dating

Id say she got to know just about eveything she needed to know about this person.

Hubi , to linuxmemes in Flatpak haters seem to believe that if an app isn't on their distro's repos, it's the developers' fault.
@Hubi@feddit.org avatar

I like Flatpak just because it isn’t Snap

Norgur ,
@Norgur@fedia.io avatar

The enemy of my enemy, eh?

MalReynolds ,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

…is my enemy’s enemy, no more, no less. (Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries )

cley_faye ,

Fair. Also, flatpak does not try to break everything by default, which is a plus.

cyborganism , to lemmyshitpost in Just Plain Terrifying

I thought it was terrifying because this was a footprint of someone who was lurking around your house, looking through your windows.

guy_threepwood ,

And how long had they been standing there on one leg to cause the grass to grow around them?

jukibom , to science_memes in Calculus made easy

I would’ve absolutely paid more attention in maths if the learning material was this utterly contemptuous of “ordinary mathematicians” haha

also full Project Gutenberg text is here calculusmadeeasy.org, thanks for sharing!

5oap10116 ,

I’m a chemical engineer and I now better understand calculus slightly better from this post. I did a whole lot of “okkayyy …let’s just stick to the process and wait for this whole thing to blow over”

I know what they were asking me to do but I never really fully understood everything.

gramie ,

I also studied chemical engineering, and throughout high school and university that was exactly it. Calculus was a kind of magic, and you just had to learn all the spells.

With this book I finally understood why the derivative of x^2 is 2x.

pythonoob ,

Ok I’m no mathematician but I’ll still can’t see why d(x^2) = 2x.

gramie ,

This exact explanation is in the book: calculusmadeeasy.org/4.html

5oap10116 ,

I tried to figure it out myself back in high school but the best I came up with is X^2 -->2x because it just fucking does.

gramie ,
Liz ,

okkayyy…let’s just stick to the process and wait for this whole thing to blow over

This is such a classic engineer brain solution to the problem. It just warms my heart.

5oap10116 ,

When I started algebra in something like 5th grade I had a huge issue with f(x) and the best answer my teacher gave me was that “the equation is a function of x” and couldn’t explain it differently and I couldn’t get over the fact that we are not multiplying whatever f is by X. “If we’re going to set precedent with notation at least be fucking consistent” - 5th grade me probably

pseudo ,
@pseudo@jlai.lu avatar

Mille mercis !

femboy_bird , to lemmyshitpost in I feel so old.

The translation is accurate and commendable

FlyingSquid OP ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I wouldn’t know. Because I am old and I feel it right now.

dadGPT ,

i dont get it either, no cap

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Fr fr ong

humorlessrepost ,

Your slang is bussing, fellow skibidi!

Empricorn ,

Str8 rizz.

ivanafterall ,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

A time-proven antidote to aging is incorporating more youthful slang into your vocabulary. And before you clapback at me, I've been trying it myself and it's pretty bussin' bruh. I'm dripping all over the place now!

naevaTheRat ,
@naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You’re a radical cat daddyo

humorlessrepost ,

I have, on occasion, stuck out my gyat for the daddyo

Gabu ,

You’ve just ruined the Irish classic “whiskey in the jar” for me, thanks.

Gaspar ,
@Gaspar@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Well, that’s stuck in my head now. Time to go find the Metallica cover, if they haven’t scrubbed it from the Internet.

gimpchrist ,
@gimpchrist@lemmy.world avatar

AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHH OHHH NOOOOOOOOOO

naevaTheRat ,
@naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Untubular dude. Untubular.

ieatpwns ,

Look at this fuckin drip god over here

Gork ,

Drip god sounds like a brand of a mop or household cleaning supplies.

gimpchrist ,
@gimpchrist@lemmy.world avatar

Man if I had more fucking ambition or energy, you’re absolutely right and I could be so rich right now but again, I’m lazy and full of depression… but if somebody runs with this idea, can I be on the team? I need a win in my life.

MossyFeathers ,

Ew, don’t drip on me.

jballs ,

And just to clarify, it is my understanding that “pretty bussin’ bruh” is quite different than “pretty bussy, bruh”. Correct?

khannie ,
@khannie@lemmy.world avatar

No. They’re the same. I think the second one has become more popular. You should probably just use that. No cap.

(cap)

jballs ,

On God that bruh’s bussy’s straight bussin’ fr fr.

steeznson ,

I believe you could buss’ in a bussy if you were so inclined

AFKBRBChocolate ,

I’m an older guy - over 60 - and I absolutely love using slang that was popular before I was born. At work, I liberally say things like “swell,” “keen,” and “golly.” I’ve been doing it for years; when I started, everyone knew what I was doing (most laughed), but now there are a lot of folks who are young enough that they just assume it’s slang I grew up with, which makes me laugh.

steeznson ,

Was watching Point Break again the other day and the desire to speak like a 90s surfer dude is kinda overwhelming, compadre.

Shady_Shiroe ,
@Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world avatar

What is HMU? The only thing that sounds right if I rack my brain, is “holler me up”, but idk I’m mentally old and can’t keep up with “hip” culture.

breakcore ,

Hit me up. Ie. contact me.

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

“holler me up”

Almost got it! HMU stands for “hit me up”, as in contact me.

Shady_Shiroe ,
@Shady_Shiroe@lemmy.world avatar

What a violent generation, jk jk

garbagebagel ,

I mean, holler also means contact me so it could be that, it would just sound a little silly. Not like holla at ya boi

Pandantic ,
@Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

Absolutely, I’m just relaying what I’ve heard in case the commenter wants to talk with some youths in their vernacular. I don’t want them to be all “holler me up my fellow kids!”

Empricorn ,

I think it’s warning us about snakes that can kill? I don’t know…

db2 ,

It’s got too much punctuation though. That’s not a dig either, it really does have too much for what they’re trying for.

can ,

I would expect at least some of those acronyms to be all lowercase too tbh

Mr_Blott ,

And missing “u” and “ur”

garbagebagel ,

That was my first thought but then I realized that if I, a 30-something year old old person, understand every word of it, it’s gotta be a lil sus.

Sombyr ,

If that’s accurate then I got old way faster than I thought I would. At least I can take solace in the fact that I’m probably on the younger end of Lemmy users.

akakunai ,

If someone blew up the toilet or smtg sus, hmu. tbh we high-key tryna glow-up this campground frfr. can’t stop won’t stop til this place straight up slays ong. need ur help fam. thx

GoosLife , to linuxmemes in That's why we need two ssds for dual boot

I have a real simple solution that involves not windows

Plopp , to mildlyinteresting in I lost my mouse a couple times and bought an exact replacement, then found the old one. You can see the evolution of the logo

Logitech is a good name for computer peripherals. Logi sounds like underwear or something.

jeffw OP ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

To be fair, the company name is still Logitech, just the logo is shorter. I agree that the middle is probably best aesthetically, except that the logo seemed to fade quickly.

NateSwift ,

the logi is shorter

jeffw OP ,
@jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

buh dmm tss

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Its proactive. Its provocative.

swordgeek ,

Their support is now at “support.logi.com.” Looks like they may be hocking a logi in the near future.

Pilferjinx ,

It feels like one of those random Chinese 5 letter brand names.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah that just LITTER Amazon? Chogi happy clappy fun time plastic cutting board, allegedly lead and tuberculosis free*!

RememberTheApollo_ ,

They save ~0.005¢ every time they print it by eliminating all the other letters company-wide.

UnityDevice , (edited )

I believe they’re called “logicool” in Japan. So maybe it’s some form of logo consolidation.

andyli , to programmer_humor in What’s in a name?
@andyli@lemmy.world avatar
candyman337 ,
@candyman337@lemmy.world avatar

Good ol’ Bobby Tables

harsh3466 , (edited )

Came here looking for Little Bobby Tables with the link loaded up in my clipboard!

veniasilente ,
@veniasilente@lemm.ee avatar

Thank you! I was getting worried.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres , to technology in Happy 10 million! According to FediDB, we have hit 10 million users across the Fediverse!

Everyone wishing for more users might be wishing on a cursed monkey paw. I don’t know what the sweet spot number of active users is — I want more so we can have contributors to niche communities — but there’s a tipping point. You want your favorite bar/restaurant/message boards to be popular but not too popular.

shrugal , (edited )

Personally I think it’s more important to break big-tech’s hold on online communication. Every single user who leaves a centralized platform to join the Fediverse is a win in my books! Another thing is that we never had a mainstream decentralized, nonprofit and non-algorithmic social network before afaik, I’m actually not sure if the climate will evolve like it did with the other networks.

IAmTheZeke ,

I guess I just don’t have faith in the majority’s conversation. Once you have a lot of dumb people, all the content starts devolving. Especially the comments.

As a dumb myself, it’s a difficult problem that I don’t have an answer to.

But maybe it’s a net positive. Don’t spend all day on one platform. And the dumb jokes are nice for being less serious all the time. As long as there is still good conversation

Bro, we’ve had like 3 dozen memes at the top about Taylor Swift’s airplane just in the last week. We are not exactly avoiding what I just complained about. So I guess it’ll be okay

threelonmusketeers ,

Once you have a lot of dumb people, all the content starts devolving. Especially the comments.

As long as the influx of dumb users is matched by a sufficient influx of less-dumb users to help grow niche communities, I think it might be fine. I rarely browsed the large 1M+ subreddits, and mostly stuck to the subs with a few thousand users.

Klear ,

Honestly I feel like the proportion of dumb people here is ever so slightly worse than it was on reddit. It feels like people here are always missing the point of everything, not getting simple jokes, arguing about dumb stuff…

Yeah, even more than on reddit.

Gullible ,

Honestly, I’m scared of what will come of it. Lemmy is fragile and the lessons of yesteryear don’t apply thanks to AI and evolving spam methods. That said, I’m still cautiously optimistic about the future of lemmy.

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

I don’t get the hate against algorithms, they’re just a tool, can be good and bad

shrugal ,

I’m referring to recommendation algorithms, the bad thing about them is that they can be used to manipulate people. Algorithms in general are fine of course.

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

recommendation algorithms are fine too, the problem with modern social media is algorithms tuned for engagement.

shrugal ,

And which algorithms would that be?

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

Whatever algorithms youtube, tiktok, instagram etc. use to drive engagement. They don’t have any names that I’m aware of

shrugal , (edited )

The problematic ones for that are mostly recommendation algorithms afaik, but there are others like gamification ofc. You can call them engagement algorithms if you want to be a bit more broad. But that’s what I mean when I criticize “algorithmic” platforms, and I think that’s what most people mean when they talk about algorithms in this context.

garretble ,
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

I still can’t believe we haven’t seen a @whitehouse.gov.social or whatever spring up. Why in the world would they not want to control their social media presence in house? Why allow Twitter that luxury?

If they went cold turkey on Twitter and set up @potus the posts would still end up on Twitter because people would cross post them (just like we see Twitter posts on Masto or lemmy).

At least some EU governments have started making their own accounts.

ShittyBeatlesFCPres ,

I emailed my region’s national weather service and asked that they join Mastodon and the meteorologist said they wanted to but there’s an approval process for communications and it takes awhile to add new services.

I’m basically completely off X (and haven’t had a Facebook account for years) but during a recent storm, I made a new Twitter account that just follows local government accounts. It’s annoying that the fastest way to find out about flooded roads and stuff is X and I really hope that changes soon.

uis ,

Good meteorologist

garretble ,
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

I follow a couple of not stations that have a Masto presence, but I get where you are coming from.

Hopefully the tide will shift more this year.

I know that some people are upset about Threads federating, but I feel like some people may never end up on Masto but could have a Threads account. A local weather station, for example. But if you could simply subscribe to them via Masto without ever making a Threads account that’d be great. And the weather station gets to serve more people (the “normies” — for lack of a better word — on Threads and the nerds on Masto).

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

I emailed my region’s national weather service and asked that they join Mastodon

Thank you for doing that!

uis ,

Why .social? Why not .us?

garretble ,
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

Just as an example, really.

A lot of Masto servers I’ve seen have use the .social extension. I feel like it does lend itself to letting people know what to expect when seeing a handle that ends with .social. It’s maybe an easy connection to make that that’s some sort of social media entity.

They certainly don’t have to use that type of url, but I think it’d be cool and it makes sense for what it is.

I’ve thought that news stations should do the same, too. Like an @news would be cool and have built in verification simply because they could lock down its users to only approved people so you’d know that @wolf is definitely Wolf Blitzer. No need for checkmarks.

neutron ,

That’s how registrars start cranking up the renewal price for .social domains.

uis ,

ICANN’s renewal fee is $0.18

uis , (edited )

I have no idea who Wolf Blitzer is, but for example there are social.network.europa.eu, social.bund.de and social.kernel.org. So US can use social.gov.us

garretble ,
@garretble@lemmy.world avatar

Oh yeah. Making a subdomain like that also works. And maybe is even easier for existing domains.

uis ,

And you don’t even pay for subdomains

barsoap ,

They really went for a double subdomain and network.europa.eu is not even a thing. Also it’s insufficiently Latin. curia.europa.eu and consilium.europa.eu is proper, europarl.europa.eu already makes much less sense it should be senatus.europa.eu.

Churbleyimyam ,

poontang.gov.social

p1mrx ,

.us is sketchy AF. They should use something.gov.

uis ,

.gov domain should be either abolished or allowed for use by any governments. Of course US is sketchy AF.

p1mrx ,

.gov is allowed for use by any governments that invented the internet.

liv ,
@liv@lemmy.nz avatar

That would be confusing. I want to be able to tell govt.nz apart from the US one.

psud ,

I think their preference is to have US government under .gov.us

chrishazfun ,
@chrishazfun@lemmy.world avatar

I think once domains like @washington.usa.gov or @newyork.usa.gov get adopted for precenses on the network we’ll be golden, the EU is already making huge steps for this (as always) so I honestly think it’s only a matter of time, with custom software too I imagine.

dimath ,

Grow more, then we can moderate the desired communities of interest so everyone will be happy.

ColeSloth ,

I was on reddit for I think about 15 years. Around 30,000,000 users seemed pretty damned nice.

GreatAlbatross ,
@GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk avatar

This is why I believe in some geo-located communities.
It’s easier to find common ground when you’re complaining about the same weather.
And then when you’re interacting with the wider communities, your host community can give context to your way of thinking.

HonoraryMancunian ,

You’ll know we’re proper big when subtle coca cola placements worm their way into posts

Anne ,
@Anne@lemmy.world avatar

Those aren’t ads, Coca-Cola™ is just so crisp and refreshing that we can’t help talking about it naturally!

someguy3 ,

Hey fellow kids. This guy needs to get with Pepsi™, the taste of the new generation!

Custoslibera ,

The unwashed masses (like myself) will eventually change Lemmy. I don’t think it will ruin it completely because the best part about having hundreds of millions of lemmings is the niche communities.

The main instances and communities are going to get shot to hell though. I’ve accepted that.

EldritchFeminity , to lemmyshitpost in It's up to you to break generational trauma

Are Millennials hating on Gen Z? I always thought our attitude was more like this:

https://i.redd.it/qbbj761o63h41.jpg

Also, love how this skips Gen X. Always the forgotten generation.

Denalduh ,

As a millennial, I’m rooting for the zoomers. They’re angry and I love it.

UraniumBlazer ,

Awww we love u too <3

Denalduh ,

Go get em champ!

MashedPotatoJeff ,

That’s how I like to see us too, but I’ve definitely met some Z hating millennials.

I met a fellow “old millennial” recently who said “we’re the last generation to be raised right”. I disagree, but hearing it from a guy my age really cemented me in old man status.

Then he told me he had 3 kids. Who’s responsible for raising that generation!? Lol.

glockenspiel ,

Go onto TikTok or Reddit (verboten, I know). Gen Z is currently going wild on how cooked and ruined Alpha already are.

They also have very strong opinions on what good child rearing looks like despite making up a huge portion of the child free ideology.

I generally dislike broad generational… uh generalizations. However, trends are undeniable. And as Z ages they appear to be going through Boomerification. I think that’s why so many public freakouts on service workers happen with them. Millennials have the opposite reputation, of bending over backwards to be overly polite.

Edit: to say that I’ve never seen a generation publicly express nostalgia as hard and young as Z. My older Alpha kids are sort of up there with their friends, too, but Gen Z just seems like they are retreating into a false past which never really existed as they remember it because the world is so shit.

Darthjaffacake ,

Besides the thing about talking about how children should be raised I completely disagree. I’ve never see anyone have nostalgia for anything besides music and fashion maybe since a massive amount of us are gay or trans so there’s no reason to want to go back to the past. And every gen x or millennial I know will gladly argue with cashiers for longer than any gen z since they’re still working as cashiers and were the generation that invented the concept of Karens and watch all the “customer gets owned” " I am the manager moments"

gmtom ,

I mean I kinda get it. I’ve met a couple of gen Alpha kids that were raised as proper iPad kids, and they are just so developmentally fucked.

They had their pad in front of then literally 24/7 playing those wierd as fuck AI kids videos on youtube or scrolling through the most mind numbing youtube shirts and would barely react to anyone in real life to the point the mum had to send him a message on the iPad to get him to respond to anything.

Even my own nephew who was raised with strict screen time limits is kinda fucked up as well. Just not as severely.

johannesvanderwhales ,

It is interesting that older millennials like us will be the last ones to really remember the pre-internet world, though.

Klanky ,
@Klanky@sopuli.xyz avatar

Born in 84, so technically a millennial although I feel more like a Gen X. As I like to say when X is overlooked - our apathy made us invisible. :-)

TheSanSabaSongbird ,

I guess you can be an honorary Xer, but I was 14 when you were born, so it’s just a fact that a lot of what I and my fellow Xers have in common time-wise is going to be significantly different. Consider; you were 7-years-old when I was 21.

theneverfox ,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

The other day my dad tried to tell me he was a millennial, because he was too young to be a boomer.

Even Gen X forgets about Gen X

OsrsNeedsF2P , to lemmyshitpost in Be mindful of allergies lads

Browsing this community is honestly like the reverse of learning

THE_ANON ,

You unlearn things

Quadhammer ,

A learnest man

hikikoma ,

Eventually your brain turns to mush and you’re just stuck with an ahegao face.

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