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TrickDacy , to lemmyshitpost in hypocrite.

Strawman.

What people are justifiably concerned about is pollution causing death and disease. Fuck off with this hYpOcRiSy bullshit

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  • TrickDacy ,

    OP is minimizing an actually very important issue. They may as well work for an oil company (and they very well might)

    LinkOpensChest_wav ,
    @LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

    That’s a reeeeaaaal stretch, and I think you know it lol

    Seems to me more likely that OP is supporting veganism

    smotherlove ,

    Why?

    balderdash9 ,
    cashews_best_nut ,

    Guarantee the person who made this is a vegan.

    threeduck ,
    @threeduck@aussie.zone avatar

    You’d hope so, the more the better for the planet

    victorz ,

    You’d think so, until you hear the rebuttals to this that never ever get brought up by the media.

    WldFyre ,

    What are some of these “rebuttals”?

    victorz ,

    For example that producing and shipping the pure amount of mass corresponding to the same amount of nutrition in vegan foods vs dairy/meat products is not sustainable, because plant based foods contain so much less nutrition than animal products. You have to level and destroy forest habitats to grow all these things for 10,000,000,000 people… That’s an infant amount of plants.

    And a lot of foods that claim to be “good sources of protein” don’t really… contain much else, like meat does. Some are even harmful in large quantities like too much soy in your diet, especially to children.

    I dunno, these are things I’ve been told. Just the messenger so take with a grain of salt. But I thought they were interesting points that shouldn’t be ignored and should be disproven before dismissed. I just have too much going on in my life to worry about researching it right now. 😓 But one day maybe!

    What do you think? I think this topic is definitely more complicated than “let’s fix/save the world by going vegan”.

    FIST_FILLET ,

    who do you think pollutes the waters? you get 3 tries but no phone-a-friend

    Tavarin ,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    Mostly China and India.

    tonyn , to lemmyshitpost in Bad day
    ininewcrow ,
    @ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

    According to AI … this is anatomically correct

    MartinXYZ ,

    Wow. Her neck-area is all kinds of fucked.

    harry_balzac ,

    I really hope so. Any other interpretations and extrapolations would probably just make me feel sad and disappointed.

    ohlaph ,

    What a majestic piece.

    LemmyKnowsBest ,

    okay now do one where it’s the edge of a sofa.

    derf82 , to aboringdystopia in The only thing that is preventing basic living essentials for costing more is whether the capitalist class feel like rising the price or not.

    I think corporations learned some very dangerous lessons from the pandemic.

    1. The demand for essential goods is inelastic. They can charge whatever and people still have to but things, especially food, household products, and a place to live.
    2. They can understaff and underpay employees, and people will choose to fault people for laziness rather than the deliberate corporate choices that lead to the situation.
    3. Corporations have built such a large market share so as to have created giant barriers to entry that there is zero competition from new businesses.
    4. Even larger competitor corporations are happy to wink and nod as you both raise prices, cut staff, and give paltry raises because it just means you both make more money, and so long as you don’t say it out loud, it isn’t collusion.
    hark ,
    @hark@lemmy.world avatar

    They already knew these things, they just needed an excuse to not cause too much of an uproar. Egg prices went up by way too much too quickly that even the government, who rarely actually does anything about this sort of thing, started an investigation. Magically the prices dropped by a lot, but unfortunately still higher than it used to be.

    ugh ,

    Chickens got hit with a bird flu during the start of the pandemic, which made egg prices even higher. A big reason for the drop in price was because the farmers were able to stabilize. It’s probably 50/50 between the fowl epidemic and inflation.

    hark ,
    @hark@lemmy.world avatar

    Except egg production didn’t drop all that much: statista.com/…/total-egg-production-in-the-us-sin…

    It hit one producer and the others decided to jack up their prices as well to take advantage. There’s a reason why they were being investigated.

    Serinus ,

    Hey, I didn’t finish reading #2, but why isn’t my mocha latte ready yet?

    Alexstarfire ,

    It became DIY while you weren’t looking. You have to make it yourself but they provide the supplies. Saves on cost cause now they only need 1-2 people at a time running the store.

    n3m37h ,

    Ding ding ding

    smotherlove , to technology in If you live in the EU - you may also be faced with this Meta prompt. Info in text.

    Third choice: Delete your account and never look back.

    A_Random_Idiot ,

    Imagine how many artificially inflated egos would be deflated all at once if facebook/social media went away.

    probably be one the greatest things to happen to humanity.

    schnapsman ,

    Isn’t that incredible? Turns out that connecting people to one another in this way fosters some healthy interaction for those who choose it but also amplifies loads of unhealthy bs. I’m one of those idiots who 15 years ago thought the internet and social media would bring about something of a second enlightenment, a golden area of progressivism, being well-informed, connected to one another in new and beautiful ways.

    Mongostein ,

    25ish years ago we all thought the internet would be a wonderful marketplace of ideas where people wouldn’t be judged by their age, gender, race or whatever, but on the merit of their ideas.

    And it did feel that way for a while back when it took a bit of intelligence to get online. However, now that anyone can get online with just a few clicks the morons have learned how to amplify their moronity.

    PieMePlenty ,

    Its both a marketplace of ideas and the cesspool of moronity.

    A_Random_Idiot ,

    100% because of social media. see my reply to schnapsman

    A_Random_Idiot ,

    It would have been that. Or at least a lot more like that…

    If social media hadnt been invented, and if social media hadn’t gamified human interaction with upvotes/likes/etc, which ended up doing nothing but creating a dopamine feedback loop that is directly responsible for the extremity of online discourse today.

    Social media is also responsible for using its algorithms to link isolated village idiots and conspiracy nuts, and giving them secure echochambers with which to bounce off of eachother free of outside criticism or view, until they ended up completely disconnected from any hint of reality.

    rchive ,

    I mean, it sort of did, it’s just not quite that simple. A lot of amazing things have come about because of social media. So many artists able to reach people directly without needing gatekeepers like publishers. Movements able to be organized where previously those people would have never interacted.

    freebee ,

    Commenting this on a post about one of the new gatekeepers is quite ironic.

    rchive ,

    The route to getting something posted on Facebook or other social media involves 1 gatekeeper who barely involves itself. The route to getting a book or news article published involves more, and they micromanage the content much much more. Just compare what percentage of people have posted something on Facebook vs have had an article published by a newspaper or magazine.

    freebee ,

    You can post all you want, if you actually want to reach an audience you must comply with silly rules (try putting an innocent non sexualized nipple on an albumcover and posting it to facebook) and you have to pay for visibility because algorithm heavily favours money. On top it’s vendor locked-in, there are only very few networks with a very large userbase, and even fewer corporations behind them.

    rchive ,

    None of that affects people’s ability to disseminate information anywhere close to the constraints put on people by traditional publishing. Again, how many people have ever posted to social media vs how many people have ever published a book?

    freebee ,

    you’re disseminating into the void and this conversation we’re having is a fine example. The gatekeeper (in this case: facebook) determines who gets a very wide audience and who gets to scream into the void.

    Lophostemon , to lemmyshitpost in Very few people realise how environmentally devastating this game is.

    The original game as invented by bored semi-drunk Scots was, I’m sure, a good laugh several hundred years ago with wee sticks and a random round thing.

    The modern game and all its hideous capitalist/ classist cultural connotations is fucked.

    Aux ,

    Tell me that you’re poor without telling me that you’re poor.

    dorron ,

    Tell me you’re an asshole without telling me you’re an asshole.

    Aux ,

    Tell me you’re American without telling me you’re American.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Hating poor people is as American as you can get. You should fit right in.

    HikingVet ,

    Well, not American, but I can tell you are a Classist asshole.

    irmoz ,

    Uh, what?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    How dare someone be poor! Anyone who makes that choice is doing it to be offensive!

    mriormro ,
    @mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

    Why does it matter if they’re poor or not?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Didn’t you know? If you’re poor, you’re supposed to be ashamed of it because it means you didn’t try hard enough to not be poor.

    Sammy ,
    @Sammy@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Drag’em, squiddy

    Lophostemon ,

    Jesus HATES poor people. It’s the American Way!

    hydrospanner ,

    Basically what they’re really saying here is that anyone with money would agree with them and have no issues with the negative impacts of golf because it’s something that all financially well-off people enjoy. Therefore, if you have any issue with golf in any way, it must be because you don’t have the money to enjoy it, because every single person that ever lived is in love with golf, and the only reason anyone might have for not golfing is lack of funds.

    Of course the nonsense needs no explanation, but that’s the angle they were going for, and why they’re rightly being ridiculed for it.

    Sharkwellington ,

    For someone who spends so much time talking about growing up in poverty, this is a surprisingly callous thing to say.

    Aux ,

    Poverty sucks. Don’t be poor.

    dependencyinjection ,

    Depression sucks. Don’t be depressed.

    Does that work too?

    Aux ,

    Ofc.

    irmoz ,

    You have to be joking.

    vivadanang ,

    tell me you’re a classist prick with more money than sense, oh no, wait, you’ve already done so.

    Mr_Fish ,

    The original game as invented by bored semi-drunk Scots was, I’m sure, a good laugh several hundred years ago with wee sticks and a random round thing.

    Robin Williams did a great bit on this.

    youtu.be/14NQIq4SrmY?si=kv-5NtoSsdtBs3p0

    Lophostemon ,

    Thanks I’ll have a look.

    Diprount_Tomato ,
    @Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world avatar

    Cope harder

    gibs ,

    I have it on good authority that golf was in fact invented by Bandrobas Took during the Battle of Greenfields.

    LemmyIsFantastic ,

    🙄 modern home is just as accessible as any sport that requires gear eg hockey. Even more so. You folks just looking for enemies.

    Tetsuo , to lemmyshitpost in I asked Microsoft's image creator to create "Godzilla in a 512k Mac game" and while this is not what I asked for, I can't help but be impressed.

    Well AI might destroy mankind but at least we had this.

    Worth it.

    VikingHippie ,

    At first I read it as “Weird Al might destroy mankind” and was extraordinarily confused 😂

    blackluster117 ,
    @blackluster117@possumpat.io avatar

    He might! Would be one of my preferred endings.

    VikingHippie ,

    Yeah, if we’re going to go extinct anyway, we might as well have some fun doing it! You just KNOW Weird Al would be able to come up with a way of murdering us all so delightfully silly that we’d all enjoy it 😂

    TheRealLinga ,

    And there would definitely be polka involved!

    GratefullyGodless ,
    @GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world avatar

    The accordion apocalypse!

    ada ,
    @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    And spatulas!

    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
    @HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

    If it goes that way I win a bet

    kautau ,

    That’s the secret ending. We haven’t unlocked it yet

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    Happy birthday

    Happy birthday to you

    Happy birthday

    Happy birthday to you

    Well, what’s the matter little friend? You think this party is the pits?

    Enjoy it while you can, we’ll soon be blown to bits

    The monkeys in the Pentagon are gonna cook our goose

    Their finger’s on the button, all they need is an excuse

    It doesn’t take a military genius to see

    We’ll all be crispy critters after World War III

    There’s nowhere you can run to, nowhere you can hide

    When they drop the big one, we all get fried

    Come on, boys and girls, sing along, okay?

    FlyingSquid OP ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    We did dare to be stupid.

    bobbytables , to memes in it is german right?

    The name of the fish “Stör” is the same as the word “disturb”. That alone offers a lot of potential for bad puns.

    It is also weirdly common as a part of other words that don’t have anything to do with fish. And third, there are parts of words that sound similar to Stör.

    Take all those ingredients and you can have a lot of fun with strange word combinations and only native speakers have a realistic chance of understanding.

    agressivelyPassive ,

    Distörbing.

    Gilles_D ,

    Störrible

    troybot ,

    A Møøse once bit my sistör…

    Mr_Dr_Oink ,

    The people in charge of hiring the people in charge of firing the people who wrote the subtitles, have been fired.

    Atomic , to games in Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

    Why are they getting so much attention for it?

    Nintendo does the same with BoTW and ToTK. Long dev cycles that releases a functional game without micro-transactions.

    FromSoft does the same with most of their games. Where people actually beg them to release DLCs.

    But no… it’s Larion they seem to go after.

    Nintendo is huge. FromSoft has their own cult. But Larion? What’s can they blame there? Nothing. Most big studios that bitch about this is larger than Larion. Maybe because they are more scared that if Larion can do it. There’s no excuse anymore.

    CaptPretentious ,

    I think it’s due to the little guy making a huge wave that other people don’t feel they’re “allowed” to make. These other devs work on “AAA” companies working on big name titles from studios everyone has heard of so. But now a small, indie studio comes along with a grand slam and they don’t like it kind of makes them look bad by comparison. Showing you can release a big complex game without it being an absolute buggy mess, doesn’t need microtransactions, doesn’t need to sell millions of copies to be considered a success, and isn’t just a copy paste of the previous game with a handful of modifications made to slap a new “FOR SALE” label on it…

    Goronmon ,

    But now a small, indie studio comes along with a grand slam and they don’t like it kind of makes them look bad by comparison.

    Larian is similar in size, if not significantly larger, than Bethesda when they made Skyrim.

    Gogogadget ,

    Less established though. I'd say that Larian wasn't on most gamers' radar until Divinity Orginal Sin 2.

    Misconduct ,

    Even then I feel like they were too underrated for their obvious potential. I’m glad the studio is fully in the spotlight now. With so many shitty companies out there it feels like they earned and deserve it. Now we just have to hope they don’t fall to temptation and turn to crap like so many others

    Syo ,
    @Syo@kbin.social avatar

    "AAA" in price tag only.

    (Content may vary. Please purchase premium battle pass to see more details.)

    Atomic ,

    You’re not referring to Larion as a small indie studio right? They are not a small indie studio.

    AdmiralShat ,

    I personally think this is because gaming journalism isn’t real journalism. They don’t actually care, they just want clicks and perceived relevancy when people repost their tweets to reddit

    Asafum ,

    “They don’t actually care, they just want clicks and perceived relevancy when people repost their tweets to reddit”

    Kinda sounds like real media to me then lol they all suck if they’re major corporate media.

    pomodoro_longbreak ,
    @pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

    A lot of journalists do care, but they also have a job to do and a boss that tells them which articles to write.

    Like I don’t care about whatever business my company is competing in, but I’ll keep working for them because they pay me.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    but I’ll keep working for them because they pay me.

    That’s just it, you can move to a different company that has a better working situation in environment. You just have to be a brave enough to fight the inertia that keeps you where you’re at.

    And in fact, if you want your salary to steadily increase over your career, you’re supposed to move from company to company every couple of years.

    pomodoro_longbreak ,
    @pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Yeah I’m thankful to have got that advice pretty early in my career. Generally get itchy feet around 3 years now.

    FeelsGouda ,

    I think the “problem” for those people is that the game broke out of its bubble. nintendo, from soft and also larion up until now all had their own bubble of fans. Larion broke that mold and even people who have nothing to do with the genre celebrate it.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Critical mass has been achieved.

    assassin_aragorn ,

    There was plenty of distaste for Elden Ring when it came out – devs at Ubisoft I believe ridiculed how the UI wasn’t informative and such.

    I think AAA studios are terrified because they’re seeing just how much consumers value quality over quantity and MTX bullshit. Games that should be in self contained bubbles are now hitting mainstream and becoming absurdly popular.

    CheezyWeezle ,

    Lmao Ubisoft of all folks should shut the fuck up about UI, they are literally the source of the meme about cluttered and overly complicated UI. If Ubisoft is complaining about a UI I have to automatically assume it is a good UI.

    Also, if AAA developers have been paying attention for the last decade, they would know that consumers have valued quality and shown disdain for MTX since MTX started becoming pervasive. MTX overall can generate a lot of revenue, but it isnt sustainable, hence why there is always some sort of FOMO characteristic included with the MTX system, making things limited time and constantly shovelling low effort “new content” to fill out the MTX system.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    They’ve been working for almost a generation now on changing the mindset of gamers as to what they should expect from a game, and here comes a really good game from a little known studio doing exactly what games used to expect before the mind changing was attempted.

    Blackmist ,

    Most of the Sony exclusives are the same. God of War, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima.

    Just solid AAA single player games, no nickel and dime bullshit.

    Every F2P model is predatory as fuck, and relies on taking advantage of whales over a prolonged period.

    Not_Alec_Baldwin ,

    …but I paid full price for D4 and still got a half baked game with an invasive in-game shop.

    GenericUsername28 ,

    I’m as frustrated with D4 as the next guy, but I’d hardly call their in-game shop invasive. Their MTX has been minor and cosmetic thus far. There are far better examples including one within the Diablo universe.

    Not_Alec_Baldwin ,

    The shop had an un-clearable red alert notification any time they released a new skin for your character chat.

    The only way to clear it was to open the shop and scroll to find the new item and click on it, opening the store page. Then when you backed out it would go away.

    You had to do this for every single item that was released.

    Maybe I’m neurotic or autistic or OCD or all three but those stupid red alerts trigger me and I need to clear them all to keep playing the game.

    I don’t even want the fucking store in my game. Give me an option to turn it off for fuck’s sake.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    While not exactly their in-game shop…

    gamingideology.com/…/diablo-iv-unleashes-player-r…

    Blackmist ,

    Not to victim blame, but if you looked at everything Blizzard have done over the last 10 years, and thought “maybe this one will be different” then perhaps the problem is you.

    Not_Alec_Baldwin ,

    Not to X, but…

    [Proceeds to X]

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    [Proceeds to X]

    Sometimes, if the subject is important enough, you just have to X.

    hglman ,

    Sure but don’t lead by saying you are not going to do x.

    ruckblack ,

    I don’t think this comment really deserved this discourse, it seems pretty clearly tongue in cheek to me.

    Not everything needs to be so dire.

    Wilibus ,

    Don’t forget the battle passes.

    Not_Alec_Baldwin ,

    Ironically I’m less concerned with battle passes as long as they don’t sell power. The actual mtx itself doesn’t bother me, I’ve easily spent hundreds in path of exile. But I prefer to enjoy the game first, and then at some point decide that I want to support the devs, and then maybe I buy something.

    Wilibus ,

    Yeah it blows my mind how much I’ve spent on league supporter kits as well. Not sure if it is because I enjoy the game or I respect the business model.

    I’m not against battle passes, but there are plenty of examples of how they fall under the predatory monetization category. Not selling power is hardly a justification that they aren’t unethical.

    Hudell ,

    I realized I had overdone it when two weeks in they were going to send me a free hoodie shipped from a different continent.

    At least I ran out of things to buy there.

    msage ,

    Dota 2 did it really well, it was and still is an amazing game, and you couldn’t pay to get any gameplay advantage.

    I sank a lot of money into it just to support such system.

    bonfire921 ,

    I agree with you, thing is: Nintendo produces Nintendo exclusives, so it doesn’t affect the gaming space as much as other games might

    CoolBeance , (edited )

    The lesson here is you can trust most big Japanese publishers/developers and it’s the opposite for American/European ones. Christ, Death Stranding was almost ruined by all the “subtle” product placements they put

    chickenwing ,

    Kojima got away with his product placement in mgs3 because nobody in the west knew calorie mate was a real product lol.

    ColdWater , to memes in Keep fighting for us
    @ColdWater@lemmy.world avatar

    Imagine your life is so worthless that you decided to ddos a feddiverse instance

    Huschke , (edited )

    I mean it could also be someone that was hired to do it. You know getting rid of the competition before it becomes a real competitor.

    bappity ,
    @bappity@lemmy.world avatar

    that doesn’t make their life any less worthless

    moosetwin ,

    wait how does the motivation for it not affect that

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@sh.itjust.works avatar

    They’re a nuisance, but are proving the benefits of a decentralized system more than anything else.

    Cosmos ,

    And also battle-testing Fediverse infrastructure to make it more resilient in the future!

    ekZepp OP ,
    @ekZepp@lemmy.world avatar

    Actually is quite easy to image.

    …if someone pay them to do so.

    noodlejetski , to technology in Top Extensions to Make YouTube Bearable

    just one needed: LibRedirect set to automatically redirect the URLs to Piped or Invidious. no.ads, no shorts, no tracking, and Piped comes with SponsorBlock built in.

    addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/…/libredirect/

    itsAsin ,
    @itsAsin@lemmy.world avatar

    looks like i may be heading back over to Firefox.

    NightOwl ,
    schwim ,
    @schwim@lemmy.world avatar

    I found this comment more useful than the OP. With Google getting ready to block ad blockers, I’m hoping this is a way to continue watching YT content.

    CumBroth ,
    @CumBroth@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    If you are getting unsatisfactory performance from public instances (they might be getting rate-limited), consider self-hosting. I’m running my own instance of Invidious with SponsorBlock (added my domain to list of custom domains) and using Redirect^1^ to redirect YouTube links to it. It’s great!

    1. Couldn’t get LibRedirect to work properly. Followed this guide instead.
    gibmiser , to funny in Norway has some surprising stats

    Probably per capita

    Viking_Hippie ,

    Yes, they are having an amazing time per capita.

    casmael ,

    Yeah I was going to say - interesting, but presumably per capita?

    BruceTwarzen ,

    Yeah i he's dropping the 5mil bombshell as if that was mindblowing. 5 million people drink almost as much coffee as 150 million? Craaaazy

    merde ,

    they have 20 hour long nights in the winter. they probably need coffee to function

    flicker ,

    Coffee is remarkable for the digestive system.

    someguy3 ,

    Nah these people are 1/3 caffeine.

    Viking_Hippie ,

    Their cross country skiers might be 🤷

    ColeSloth ,

    Probably? Lol. Bro

    Atomic ,

    Even then it’s not true. Sweden and Finland regularly trade first place when it comes to coffee consumption per capita.

    So that the US sold be in first is just not true. And if I know for fact that’s not true. I have serious doubts about the rest of his claims

    gofsckyourself , to programmerhumor in And don't forget RTFM

    This is fucking dumb. People learning how to code don’t know how to start. They don’t know what to start writing or where to start on it. This is akin to telling a depressed person “just don’t be sad”.

    agressivelyPassive ,

    Exactly. If you know nothing about a topic, you don’t even know, what exactly to google, except “how to make computer do stuff”.

    The initial hurdle of incompetence can be extremely frustrating and almost impossible to climb, if you don’t have guidance.

    Appoxo ,
    @Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    My best motivator is having an issue and a need to solve it (e.g. room is cold after work but I’d like it warm -> automation or “I hate how netflix is taking away my movies” -> Media library). This resulted in me getting a smart home thermostat and jellyfin.

    KombatWombat ,

    If you want to learn how to code, can’t you just google “coding tutorial for beginners” or something similar? Probably you would need to pick a language, but that would similarly be solved with “recommended coding language for beginners”. Then it’s very easy to find a resource that starts with hello world and gradually introduces new things. And I’m sure if it moved beyond a browser toolbox, a guide for setting up whatever IDE would be included.

    Learning to code is by no means easy, but it’s possibly the best type of thing to learn when it comes to having a wealth of free, easily discoverable guides. The main obstacle is choosing to put in the time, and this comic removes that obstacle by forcing them to not put it off.

    agressivelyPassive ,

    Well, put yourself in the shoes of someone who knows nothing about programming and googles what you described. They’ll be flooded with information that they can’t really make sense of. What language do I choose? I want to make games! So is C++ the right one? Can I learn another one?

    Look at the questions in beginner forums. The naive, seemingly stupid questions. Many beginners struggle to understand what a language is, and how languages are related. To many a programming language is a series of magic incantations that make the computer do stuff. They treat it like spells.

    Then, if you do manage to get over that hurdle, you’ll have to put in quite some time to get anything useful out of your code. You’ll have to bang your head at many hard surfaces, read tons of unrelated crap because, once again, you don’t even know what to google.

    I don’t know, if you ever worked with complete novices. People who want to learn, but know next to nothing. Where I live, you can do apprenticeships for software development, and I had to guide a few of our apprentices. At that point I had been programming since 14, had programming classes in school, master’s degree in CS and several years of work experience. So I was very much removed from being unknowing. Being confronted with the utter incompetence and lack of any context of these guys was extremely eye opening to me. Those were bright, motivated younglings, but everything that seemed obvious to me, was completely beyond their capabilities.

    In short: you may underestimate the difficulties to learn without guidance.

    blind3rdeye ,

    I’m sure its different now from when I started - because coding is very popular, and the internet is a thing… But I can tell you, that it took a long time before I knew what a programming language was, or ‘coding’… these words were just not familiar to me.

    I learnt stuff by just opening random executable files in notepad to see what they look like… mostly it was just garbage that no one can understand - but some of them were readable, and I replicated and learnt from them. (they were .bat files.) I became a bit of an expert in making very fancy batch files. I made customisable menus, and a little adventure game. Then my parents helped me out by buying me a programming book. It was about programming in Visual C++. I was pretty excited - until I quickly worked out that Visual C++ was something you had to buy before you could use it.

    Anyway, my point is that it is easy to see what you need from the point of view of an expert; but from the point of view of a novice, you don’t know what you don’t know. You don’t know which words are important, or what anything is called. The first steps are not hard except that you don’t know which direction you are meant to be stepping in, or where the starting point should be.

    EuroNutellaMan ,
    @EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world avatar

    No because most tutorials will start from “write print(“Hello World”)” and the like without mentioning compiling or where to write it or with what…

    I didn’t really get into coding until someone guided me through the basics of python, which is an easy language that doesn’t even require compiling.

    buzziebee ,

    It’s gotten a lot better in recent years tbf in terms of those kinds of resources. Beginner recommended languages like Python are still a pain because it’s super easy for a beginner to bork how they set it up, but on the whole there’s plenty of online code sandboxes and other ways to get started.

    Your point is definitely valid though. Why on earth would we want someone who’s just showing an interest in programming to write their own compiler??? Wtf? If someone wants to get into baking you don’t send them out into the fields for 6 months to grow some wheat.

    When I was a kid I mucked around with html and css to make some GeoCities sites. I decided I wanted to learn how to code so I got a book from the library called “how to code games for beginners” or something. The thing never told you how to set up an IDE or compile the game. So I was just frustratingly typing out the code examples into notepad without a clue as to what to do. I think this was during the dialup era so it wasn’t like there was a wealth of info online.

    I ended up abandoning programming for quite a few years. It just seemed like nonsense because writing graphics libs for C in notepad does feel like nonsense to a child. I wonder what life would be like if I had some better resources at that moment in time and decided you continue pursuing it.

    fschaupp ,
    @fschaupp@lemmy.ml avatar

    I did not choose to start with VB.net - It was the first thing youtube came up an I think was interesting, because I could start with something GUI.

    Today I make enterprise factories go brrr.

    dankm ,

    The initial hurdle of incompetence can be extremely frustrating and almost impossible to climb, if you don’t have guidance.

    Can confirm. 15 years in industry, still incompetent.

    JoYo ,
    @JoYo@lemmy.ml avatar

    Ironically that is how to fight depression, changing your mind. Any technique that has proven effective has been exactly: stop being sad.

    I’ve tutored at least a few people that have needed me to put their hand on a mouse and show them how to navigate an IDE.

    ChaoticEntropy ,
    @ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

    I feel like “just” is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

    JoYo ,
    @JoYo@lemmy.ml avatar

    it takes daily practice but it can be “just”.

    of course, any recommendations given to people can be abstracted absurdly in order to dismiss them if they’re motivated to do so.

    docAvid ,

    Medication helps a lot of people, and CBT is very effective for others. I’ve never heard of a “technique” that’s effective against depression that can be reasonably described like that, but I’m not an expert. Would love some concrete examples.

    johannesvanderwhales ,

    I think some people view it as “if you’re meant to be a coder your natural curiosity towards how things work will probably lead you to writing code naturally.” But it’s a pretty gatekeepy point of view.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Its a good litmus test for people who are genuinely interested versus people who just heard “Lern 2 Kode” from a hustler on YouTube and thought they could bullshit their way through it.

    But also, you’ll notice the cartoon character getting handed a nice looking laptop and keyboard. How cool is that? A cartoonist handing you a few hundred dollars worth of hardware plus presumably an always-on internet connection. Imagine if everyone had those kinds of resources just tossed to them at the asking.

    EuroNutellaMan ,
    @EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world avatar

    But they aren’t asking for tools they’re asking for guidance. What’s the point of all that expensive hardware if they have no clue what to do with it and where to start learning?

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    What’s the point of all that expensive hardware if they have no clue what to do with it

    I mean, if you straight up don’t know how to use a computer at all then that’s fair. But I don’t think the suggestion is that you learn how to code before you learn how to work a mouse. Hell, the whole target audience for the joke is people who are already online.

    Cosmicomical , (edited )

    I think we can safely say that programming is the least gatekeeped profession in the history of professions. Programmers are literally goving their code away for free, I never saw an open source plumbers movement.

    exu ,

    At least for me the most learning to program happened because I had something specific in mind I wanted to achieve and just go for it.

    Yes, the code sucks (And I rewrote it 3 times originally, it still sucks), but it’s not really something I particularly care about now as it mostly works as designed.

    fsxylo ,

    I’m physically incapable of doing code “for the sake of it” something has to piss me off enough to want it automated. It’s stifled my theoretical knowledge but I can do a thing if I need to.

    It’s a good thing I have a big project to occupy my time. No shortage of problems to solve there.

    UnderpantsWeevil , (edited )
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Rolling up and getting started is a great way to find some really sloppy ways to do some initially very fascinating tricks. Like, its not a terrible idea on its face.

    But there’s a huge difference between learning some javascript tricks or python commands to macro with and professionally designing a full stack. Really depends on what you’re trying to accomplish.

    Best thing in the world is a fresh faced young developer who is eager to learn everything you put in front of them. Worst thing in the world is someone who only half-knows how to code but thinks they can do a proper mobile app from first principles. Every time I see a mile of copypasta spaghetti code sitting inside a single oversized Main() function, I die inside.

    Simmy ,

    So right. I did start a self-taught course in Python years ago, I got stuck on OOP, and couldn’t wrap my head around it, so I go demotivated. I want to start over and learn now that I have more free time.

    jpeps ,

    I interpreted this as a criticism of the sort of people who make posts for the ‘brain crack’ of maybe learning to code one day in place of putting the actual work in to learn.

    Kindness , (edited )

    When I’ve spoken with people who say they ‘want to code, but don’t know how to start,’ dollars to doughnuts it’s the same problem as wanting to learn hacking, artistry, or science. (I think the original comic was drawing.)

    There isn’t a solid reason for why they want to learn X, the wanters just think it would be cool to *be an X-er", and want anyone to hand it to them.

    The people who want Y, and need to learn X to accomplish it will take the first step. Though many won’t follow through if goal Y is too high. I’ve pointed people to the resources to learn X countless times. It’s only the people who want Y, and are willing to learn X to achieve it, that succeed. Hacker, Coder, Engineer, Artist-er, and on and on. You can lead a horse to water, but not teach it how to drink.

    linearchaos ,
    @linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

    We learned to do it in the 90’s before search engines existed. Could always get a book…

    EuroNutellaMan ,
    @EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world avatar

    Not everyone learns in the same way. If someone learns better by asking others for guidance and you tell them to just read a book I hope they spank your arse with that brick of paper smh.

    Gabu ,

    Learn to learn, then. People can’t just magically hand you knowledge.

    ZombieMantis ,
    @ZombieMantis@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s like trying to make a person learn how to play the flute by just handing them a flute. If they don’t know how to assemble it, clean it, hold it, press the keys, and proper embouchure, they’re never going to learn how to play the instrument.

    tabris , to lemmyshitpost in A And B

    I used to work in a new age shop that sold rock salt lamps. A woman came in one time to complain about the lamp she bought.

    Woman: My salt lamp was dusty and dirty.

    Me: Okay…

    W: So I took the rock salt off the base.

    Me: Hmm?

    W: And I washed it with hot soapy water.

    Me: Ah.

    W: And it just dissolved!

    Me: Yep, it’s salt.

    W: I want a refund.

    Me: laughs.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    This has me wondering if art supply stores have people coming in complaining that their pencil ran out of lead when they were in the middle of drawing.

    MightyGalhupo ,

    Yes, I have seen that first hand. Crayons too.

    vithigar ,

    Aren’t those things like the size of a fist? How long did she wash it for?!

    usualsuspect191 ,

    I’m guessing it just lost all of the desirable texture of the crystals

    BobbyNevada ,

    Im thinking she either just ran hot water over it, or decided to let it soak, only to come back to sea water in her sink.

    Tangent5280 ,

    lmao reminds me of that raccoon with cotton candy

    robocall ,
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    I’d like to subscribe to more new age shop stories!

    spader312 ,

    You’ve been subscribed to New Age Shop stories. For just $1 a day receive a new story delivered every morning. Reply HELP for help, STOP to unsubscribe. Msg& Data Rates May Apply

    Everythingispenguins ,

    Stop

    Stop

    STOP

    STOP

    STOP STOP STOP

    WHY THE FUCK WILL YOU NOT STOP

    SleveMcDichael , to programmerhumor in "First remove the closed source vendor lock in from your own codebase before checking for license issues in your neighbor's codebase" Engineerings 5:33

    Am I missing something or do two cloud computing services, two database systems, and a search engine have nothing to do with a game engine? Cuz this looks like a false equivalency whataboutism two-for-one combo to me.

    Vince ,

    It’s a random list for sure, but vendor lock-in can also be a problem for companies hosting their stuff in the cloud in a similar manner to what’s happening with unity.

    SleveMcDichael ,

    I suppose that’s true, but then the question becomes: how many people proselytizing Godot/OSS use these services personally vs in a corporate environment where they may not have a choice? Because I’m not sure the supposed hypocrisy the meme is “joking” about actually exists.

    ArmokGoB ,

    Fallacious arguments? In the comments of my content aggregation website? I don’t believe it for a second.

    xor ,

    well sure, but dog houses aren’t made out of waffles, anyways.

    mojo , (edited ) to games in Madden should not be 70$

    then don’t buy it

    people keep buying it, so why wouldn’t they raise the price?

    woelkchen ,
    @woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

    Typical moron gamer moment, though: Bitch about price, buy it anyway, leave a bad review at 500 hours played, and repeat next year.

    BilboBargains ,

    They named this pathology The Maddening.

    twistedtxb ,
    @twistedtxb@lemmy.ca avatar

    Now that FIFA’s gone, EA needs another cash cow.

    lud ,

    Fifa isn’t gone, only the FIFA in-game branding is gone. It’s just called FC24 instead of FIFA 24.

    And most of the world that plays FIFA isn’t going to play an American football game. American football is completely different and not relatable to pretty much anyone except those from USA (or maybe Canada, dunno).

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