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Ktest , to mildlyinfuriating in Twitter/X new ID Verification - First Look
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Sure, I’ll give my ID and personal details to Elon Musk. He seems like a perfectly rational adult. /s

Darkard ,

This the same Elon who doxxed a guy who took a picture of him that one time?

Imagine you post something online he doesn’t like and he sends some goons over in a blacked out cyber truck

theAndrewJeff , (edited ) to games in Noooooo you can't make a microtransactions free game and finished too 😭😭😭

Here’s my thing: I don’t necessarily care what sort of game you make, I just want it to be feature-complete and technically solid (I.e. mostly bug-free). Whether that’s a small indie game or a massive AAA game, those two things should be true.

I think what most people find frustrating is that the in-game store is the most well developed part of most AAA releases nowadays, which often ship riddled with bugs.

marmo7ade ,

I just want it to be feature-complete and technically solid

So, Diablo 4.

I wanted to get BG3, but the constant deep throating by neckbeards is making me gag. Now I don’t want it for the same reason bigots won’t play TLOU2: politics.

I’m sure BG3 is fantastic. It’s also not a reason for people to tell me why I shouldn’t enjoy the games I do.

theAndrewJeff ,

…what?

Streptember ,

Ah, the contrarian.

If you let other people ruin something for you, that's on you, not them. Especially if they "ruin" it by celebrating and enjoying it.

histy ,

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  • RedAggroBest ,

    He opened with praising Diablo 4, feels low effort and should net a penalty, with a bad finish too. I’ll go with 4/10.

    CosmicCleric ,
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    If he’s an actual shill from ActiBlizz I would vote a lot lower than 4/10, for having done such a poor job, based on that ratio.

    CoolBeance ,

    Needs a bigger bait. If he opened with slamming Baldur’s Gate 3 right away or “as a gamer” it might have been a 7

    Ilandar ,

    BALDUR’S GATE 3 IS WOKE TRASH

    Misconduct ,

    I dunno the part where they try to make themselves out to be some kind of hero over racism randomly because they didn’t play a game has gotta decrease the score by at least a couple. Just feels like they’re trying too hard I dunno. Feels basic

    Cethin ,

    “I won’t try this game because it’s too highly reviewed!” What a weird hill to die on.

    D4 seemed to have been great at launch, but the seasons and battle pass stuff ruin it for me (though you can like it if you want, I don’t care). I don’t like the idea of a game being on a timer and asking me to play the way they want me to play it. This is what BG3 does right. It’s a game with many options and many ways to play. It never tells you how you should and you also don’t need to pay extra for other crap. You get a complete experience from start to finish with no timers and nothing extra asked of you.

    SpicaNucifera ,

    This is why I dropped Destiny, despite loving it to pieces.

    CertifiedBlackGuy ,

    I liked D2 in the beginning until I realized it was CoD’s multi-player put into its single player.

    Maybe part of the issue is I left and came back, but I couldn’t make sense of any sort of storytelling and “go here, shoot this” stopped being fun.

    Which sucks because Destiny has some amazing worldbuilding ideas.

    Still salted that they removed my boi Xol

    MindSkipperBro12 ,

    Jesse, what the hell are you talking about?

    Mdotaut801 ,

    I’m a huge diablo fan. D4 fucking stinks and I went back to d2 res and picked up POE. Poe is 10/10 and exactly what I need to scratch this rng itch.

    littlecolt ,

    Huh? The game literally lets you play any way you want.

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    I feel you on the deepthroating shit. It’s a great game, no doubt about it. But some of these articles act like it’s the second coming of Christ, and if I am to be entirely honest… It’s not quite as good as the original games. It’s lacking a lot of depth in the story telling (it’s almost entirely voiced so there’s more brevity in any given conversation than the pages upon pages of text even a random nobody can give you in BG2), but makes up for it with mechanical depth.

    I agree it’s a big deal for a major release to not have MTX or a season pass or other bullshit, and that should definitely be applauded. But some of the things I’ve seen said about the game are out right fraudulent. Like an article the other day saying it is the most polished AAA game in over a decade, which is absurd. The game is plagued with issues and the polish is literally the one thing I can not give it praises for. It even feels amateur in a lot of ways. Like it has many little issues I would not expect from a seasoned developer, and many bugs ranging from minor inconveniences to full blown game breaking stuff like scripts firing wrong leading to an outcome you didn’t choose to take or characters becoming comoletely broken being unable to move or be interacted with.

    Story is great. It actually feels like a remix of the first Baldur’s Gate story. Characters are some of the best I’ve seen in a long time. The combat is super fun, especially when you try to do weird random shit just to see if it works; cuz 90% of the time it does. There is a depth to the changes you can have on the world at large that are extremely cool and haven’t been done on such a scale before in all the RPGs I’ve played over the years…

    Although that last part is where the previous talk about bugs really starts to drag the experience down. There have been so many points in my two playthroughs of the game where I took one path, but got the dialogue and changes to the world of another path. Like currently, my party keeps talking about one of the companions killing another. But they didn’t; I stopped that from happening. So now this character is standing around in the background while other characters talk about her death. And that’s not even the worst one I’ve encountered.

    Cethin ,

    I think it’s funny talking about the second coming. It really is the second coming if anyone follows it. The thing is, it’s not extraordinary in the grand scheme of gaming. It’s just not something we’ve had in a long time on a large scale. It pretty much follows the norm for 2000s/90s games, but that’s why it’s an outlier. We don’t get those anymore. Bioware used to make games like it, but they don’t now and they’ll tell you it’s not going to happen again despite technology being better.

    I understand that publishers will force them to do certain things, but most AAA studios have the capability of making games that follow the same standard (but maybe not scale) of BG3 if it weren’t for publishers. They shouldn’t copy it, but they should internalize that players want complete experiences in the box, and they want to be treated like adults who can think for themselves.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Like it has many little issues I would not expect from a seasoned developer

    You wouldn’t expect little bugs from a newly released AAA game? Really?

    It sounds like you were expecting 0% bugs.

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    Not all the issues are bugs. There are issues in the actual design of some systems that are amateur at best (such as the UI). Even most indie developers wouldn’t have these issues, so seeing them in a AAA game that was in early access as long as this one has is totally unacceptable.

    Misconduct ,

    That sounds like your subjective opinion on how you’d make it and not like an objective fact to me

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Not all the issues are bugs.

    As a software developer of over 30 years, I’m aware of that.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Even most indie developers wouldn’t have these issues

    Got to be honest, I don’t think your perspective is very accurate on the subject.

    BrudderAaron ,
    @BrudderAaron@lemmy.world avatar

    You know, you’ll go through life a lot happier if you stop restricting yourself from experiencing something just because it’s a popular thing.

    Kolanaki ,
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    BG3 has still been riddled with bugs for me and since it doesn’t have MTX or a store or anything, it feels kinda worse. At least I know why the crap riddled with MTX is rife with issues; what is BG3’s excuse?

    I probably wouldn’t mind the bugs so much if the whole game was shit. But the game is fucking awesome. I just want to play it without being frustrated by technical issues. 😩

    I’m hoping that by the time the PS5 version launches, it’ll be much smoother.

    LouNeko ,

    I actually agree with you. People praise BG3 as if it were the most perfect 10/10 video game in existence. Its far from it. It is riddled with bugs reaching from minor to game breaking. The best example is the very first few seconds of the game. The first thing the players are likely to interact with is the tadpole pool after awekening on the ship.

    Minor spoilerIt explodes, knocking you back and causing damage.

    As someone who made a few characters and played the intro section a lot, the animation is often times bugged and confusing. And thats the first interaction a player has with the game.
    A few seconds later you stand in front of a door. Usually the door opens and you can go through. But sometimes the opening animation doesn’t play. This happened on my very first time playing and I couldn’t figure out where to go, because my first instinct wasn’t to clip through the closed door. Things like this are absolutely unacceptable in the tutorial area.

    Even though they already have full controller support it is very clear why the console release is delayed. The console player base is expected to be a lot more casual and unless they iron out all the confusing bugs they run the risk of people being frustrated and dropping the game.

    And then there are other major things.

    • Why is there no native option for 3rd person WASD movement even though it is fully implemented for controllers?
    • Why does only the controller get a search area function but the keyboard doesn’t?
    • Why is there no camera sensitivity for controllers?
    • Why are there no deadzone settings for controller joysticks?
    • Why is there a 1 second delay on movement when using a controller?
    • Why can’t I set the text size below 64px when using a controller?
    • Why in a game that has been in early access for so long and a world full of magic can’t we change our characters appearance post creation? (I know it’s announced but why just now?)
    • Why do we not have advanced difficulty settings? (I’d love the enemies to be smart like “tactitian” but not be unhittable bullet sponges.)
    • Why is every adult character so goddamn hot in this game? I need my blood in my brain.
    • Why can we select a player voice, if the player isn’t voiced beyond some minor quips?
    • Why isn’t there a random name generator for your character?
    • Why can’t I shift + click multiple items or containers to queue them up for pickup or search?
    • Why do container windows open on top of each other or other inventory windows?
    • Why can’t I rename containers in my inventory?
    • Why can’t I filter out or hide wares in my inventory?
    • Why can’t I sort or filter items during trading or in the party view?
    • Why do containers always open in a 5x2 grid instead of trying to fit all the items without scrolling?
    • Why can I skip the rolling animation but not the success-continue animation?
    • etc.

    I know I’m nitpicking here, but for a game that is as highly praised as this, I expect it also to nail all those minor things that other games have already figured out already (some of which were even their own older titles). Especially because it was Early Access and they had a lot of user feedback. I see it times and times again that studios apparently throw out all their previous knowledge of videogames and seemingly start from scratch on every title, making small stupid mistakes that could have been easily avoided. It’s like the research process for video mechanics and UI never consists of actually looking at other games.

    So for me, it’s a very pretty game, its a beautifully sounding game and even a very fun game. But nowhere near a 10/10. It’s a 7/10 game. Fix the bugs to bump it up to 8/10 implement some QoL for 9/10 and release modding tools so the community can make it a 10/10.

    Kolanaki , (edited )
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    Why is everyone so damn hot?

    I can’t say for anyone else, but Karlach is hot because of that infernal engine she has for a heart. :P

    Why can’t I sort or filter items during trading or in the party view?

    You can on a controller. Press in the left stick. The fact the UI between a controller and the M&KB is so completely different and you get dumb differences like this is another amateur hour move. I’ve played entirely on controller, but from talking to other people and seeing my sister play on her laptop, the M&KB interface is garbage and offers for fewer options far some damn reason.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    I know I’m nitpicking here, but for a game that is as highly praised as this, I expect it also to nail all those minor things that other games have already figured out already

    You realize that smaller companies have to do triage and prioritize what they’re working on, yes? Take bugs/enhancements in a certain order? And usually the major things get taken care of first before the minor things are.

    Also, some of the things you ask for, they may just not agree with you as being needed in the game.

    Have you submitted that list to them for their consideration, directly (Github, etc.)?

    Edit: typo

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Stupid question, but have you been letting Steam do game updates?

    Unless you’ve changed the default settings, you have to let Steam do updates while not playing any games through Steam. By default it won’t do any updates in the background.

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    Yes, everything updates automatically. I’ve gotten all the updates so far. Only a few of the changes made in any of them actually affected me. Most of the things I’ve experienced have yet to be addressed.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Most of the things I’ve experienced have yet to be addressed.

    I was going to reply humorously with a comment along the lines of you should be moving from a technical to a spiritual solution, an exorcism perhaps, but I don’t want to kick somebody when they’re down, for the sake of comedy.

    Heavybell , to mildlyinfuriating in higher wages for the servers... by the customers. Fnbs
    @Heavybell@lemmy.world avatar

    If the service charge is always there then just raise prices by 18% and stop misleading people ffs…

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  • bobo ,

    Because the price on the menu then appears lower than what the customer actually pays. It’s completely misleading.

    WoahWoah ,

    Ohhh, that’s a really good point. I didn’t think about that. This hasn’t happened where I live. Thanks for helping me understand. That IS really misleading.

    SnowBunting ,

    It also guilt trips the customer into accepting the unexpected added price.

    raptir ,

    And even if it’s on their printed menu, you might look at the menu on Google Maps and see one place has a dish for $20 and another place had the same dish for $24. You go to the cheaper place and sit down and see the 18% fee. Are you necessarily going to leave and go to the other one?

    Shush ,

    I would probably leave and just go home. I wouldn’t be in the mood to eat anymore.

    aesthelete ,

    It’s usually on the menu but it’s in fine print under an asterisk.

    It’s alarmingly common (though not usually as high as 18%), and ought to be fucking illegal.

    atticus88th ,

    Also it costs far too much for the owner to reprint all those menus with higher prices. And to update all the food delivery apps… fuhgeddaboudit

    CmdrShepard ,

    But they can afford to reprint the menu to include a note about the 18% service charge or when their item prices increase ‘organically?’ This is a BS excuse.

    sukhmel ,

    My guess would be that it was sarcasm exactly because of the reason you explained. It contradicts really so hard it almost makes it obvious (not completely, it seems)

    aesthelete ,

    It has nothing to do with the cost of re-printing menus, because they have to do that anyway to put the legalese on there about the percentage surcharges.

    new_acct_who_dis ,

    Because no one agreed to pay that when they were ordering. Imagine being a on budget for a night out and getting this extra charge outta nowhere

    WoahWoah ,

    Yes, that makes total sense. I just hadn’t thought it through.

    IdleSheep ,

    Imagine you only have 10 dollars on you and buy a 9.99 item off the menu because of it, only to discover at the register there’s a 20% service fee. Not very a very pleasant customer experience, is it?

    Thank God where I live this is completely illegal. The prices on the menus are always the final price.

    aesthelete ,

    Thank God where I live this is completely illegal. The prices on the menus are always the final price.

    ^ This is the answer folks…this type of bullshit legalese in restaurants should not be legal.

    Anticorp ,

    You own that restaurant. Don’t you?

    WoahWoah ,

    Caught me.

    autisticBreakcore , to memes in The greatest country in the world

    DD/MM/YYYY is the best in my opinion

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    I agree with this because if you were to say the whole thing verbally, you generally start with the day, the month then the year.

    “It is the 9th of August in the year of our Lord 2023.”

    rubythulhu ,

    In the USA most people would say “august 9th”, not “the 9th of august”, which is one of the reasons mm/dd/yyyy is the standard format here

    kautau ,

    Which extrapolated, who the fuck would say “the September of 2024” and not “September, 2024” for example

    Uvine_Umbra ,
    @Uvine_Umbra@partizle.com avatar

    This is actually often done when trying to be more eloquent or dramatic or add importance, like how Independence day is The 4th of July versus just saying Jily 4th.

    ShunkW ,

    We wouldn’t in America in most cases. I’d say it’s August 9th 2023. I honestly feel like this is such a dumb argument to have because it doesn’t matter except for communication with people who use other methods. Now metric vs imperial makes way more sense to me because the metric system is just so much easier for mathematical conversions.

    RedditWanderer ,

    In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade—which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to ‘How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?’ is ‘Go fuck yourself,’ because you can’t directly relate any of those quantities.

    jballs ,
    @jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I like how Europeans pretend they’re all scientific, but then still use seconds, minutes, and hours without thinking twice.

    RedditWanderer ,

    Lmao Europe is not the only place where they use metric (I’m not European).

    Seconds are part of the metric system and are the base unit of time. Just because they didn’t define it initially doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist or makes sense. They use milliseconds and kiloseconds; minutes and hours are used for convenience but are not part of the SI

    glad_cat ,

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  • kattenluik ,

    Then use DD-MM-YYYY or any other character.

    Samsy ,

    Okay but if you sort by name then the file:

    08-09-2023.png

    is after:

    04-12-2023.png

    Because everything would be sort after the day number.

    kattenluik ,

    Then get software that recognizes a simple format like that because that’s a nightmare.

    mihnt ,
    @mihnt@kbin.social avatar

    DD?MM?YYYY

    XEAL ,

    YYYY-MM-DD is better if you need to sort

    MisterFrog ,
    @MisterFrog@lemmy.world avatar

    If it weren’t so ingrained, I would be permanently using YYYY-MM-DD instead of DD/MM/YYYY.

    Works great for east Asia, and it sorts!

    I’d also like to advocate for using 24 time in speech.

    See you at 21 tomorrow :)

    JC1 ,

    Just don’t care and use them. People understand them. Maybe they’re not used to hearing it, but it doesn’t matter. This is what I do and never cam across someone who was so dense that he didn’t understand me. I also never had someone tell me that it was strange to do so.

    xpsking , to mildlyinfuriating in First Alert smoke detector...non replacable battery supposed to last 10 years...dies after 2...for warranty contact, the verify you're human puzzle does not work on 3 different browsers I tried
    @xpsking@midwest.social avatar

    Inspect element, select the wrapper div, change css element height to 1500px or something

    danny ,

    Yep I’ve often had to do something like that to get around broken website interfaces

    mysoulishome OP ,
    @mysoulishome@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m on an iPhone. I finally emailed the link to myself, opened Remote Desktop and did it on my laptop. So dumb.

    pineapplelover ,

    Or… view as desktop button? (I’m on Android so idk if iOS has that option, they should though)

    Catoblepas ,

    I think it shows up as “request desktop site” on ios, but IME it doesn’t always make a difference.

    mysoulishome OP ,
    @mysoulishome@lemmy.world avatar

    No that didn’t work haha

    dude ,
    @dude@kbin.social avatar

    All iPhone browsers are just different versions of Safari at the moment due to a limitation by Apple. I’ve heard that may change.

    I guess this site just really doesn’t like Safari.

    mysoulishome OP ,
    @mysoulishome@lemmy.world avatar

    I feel like I get different behaviors if I use Chrome or DuckDuckGo but didn’t matter in this case

    balance_sheet ,

    Makes me wonder if they did this on purpose because for A LOT of people that is just never going to happen… I would tell them to do so and they would go like wow no.

    zeropublix ,

    Looks more like an overflow issue so there is probably a bit more to it

    FlihpFlorp , to lemmyshitpost in I fixed the new Twitter logo

    Never noticed how Twitter looks like sonic with a beak

    cheerjoy ,
    @cheerjoy@lemmy.world avatar

    lmaoo, the resemblance is uncanny

    RagnarokOnline ,

    Gotta go fast!

    darth_tiktaalik ,
    @darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml avatar

    The beak looks like ears on the sonic to me

    Nyxm ,
    @Nyxm@lemmy.world avatar

    If you rotate it a little bit more, it looks like a chibi take on Batman.

    cedarmesa , (edited ) to fediverse in Lemmy.world grew by about 40% on the first day of reddit migration
    @cedarmesa@lemmy.world avatar

    💀

    WldFyre ,

    Is this just a pun or is there a way to support this instance? (Is that the right word for lemmy.world? Still trying to figure this out a little)

    setsneedtofeed ,
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    In the Lemmy.world homepage sidebar there is a link to the donation page.

    WldFyre ,

    Thanks!

    setsneedtofeed ,
    @setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world avatar

    Of course m’lady.

    subtext ,

    Not a joke, you can support @ruud using the mastodon.world Patreon or OpenCollective. See the below blog post for more:

    blog.mastodon.world/welcome-lemmy-world

    cedarmesa , (edited )
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    💀

    AVincentInSpace , to linuxmemes in free license key included

    Ordinarily I would be fine with this. I use Arch anyway. But an Arch system configured by somebody else? I’d be safer leaving my laptop at home!

    flambonkscious ,

    I think that’s the idea - I love how this is a double entendre for those that know…

    unexposedhazard , to greentext in Anon is a true romantic

    Anon got a reply, thats would have been a good start, but no… He had to be horny brained.

    Mammothmothman ,

    Stewing your mind in the excrement of downbad incells and neets will do that.

    solsangraal , to lemmyshitpost in Indeed it is

    new to lemmy. how do i delete someone else’s post

    The_Picard_Maneuver OP ,
    @The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

    Lemmy is pretty cutting edge in this, but there should be a physical button on the side of your phone or monitor that will make it go away.

    Scubus ,

    Instructions unclear, dick stuck in moniter

    bjoern_tantau ,
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    laughs in own instance

    gregor ,
    @gregor@gregtech.eu avatar

    I can relate

    abbadon420 ,

    I can too, because it’s all federated

    Mixel ,

    Gregtech hell that remembers me of Hardcore minecraft modpack where I have way to many hours in 😅

    gregor , (edited )
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    So, the story of why I have this domain name is: I wanted my own blog site. That was it. So I bought the domain gregtech.eu, but just before starting the blog I put online some other services: Vaultwarden, Immich, Jellyfin and Matrix. So the blog had to have blog.gregtech.eu (you can read the one blog post I have yet written if you want) because it was not hosted on Hetzner. But then I realized some mf registered gregtech.com 2 years ago, in 2022 and that there is a Minecraft mod named gregtech, so there go my search results.

    A_Very_Big_Fan ,

    If you tap on the screen it’ll go away ;3

    kewwwi ,

    hold the ALT button and press F4

    NaibofTabr , (edited ) to meanwhileongrad in Two different tankies giving some wild takes in the same thread

    For the sake of combating the narrative, this album shows the truth of what happened during the student protests in China in 1989, including the context of the “Tank Man” photo:

    archive.ph/7Tdzh

    Warning: blood, gore, visible injuries, death.

    The lie that no one was killed by the CCP should be repudiated at every opportunity.

    The CCP would prefer that you are only aware of the “Tank Man” photo, that you don’t fit it into its larger context. They would prefer that you not discuss the horrific brutality they created when they used their military to suppress the voices of their own citizens, or the absolute disaster that Maoism brought to China. They would prefer that you forget that they repeated that brutality in Hong Kong. They would prefer that you forget the whole thing.

    Fuck them.

    PugJesus OP ,

    Even the CCP admits that some protesters were killed. Wild that Western tankies dial up the denialism even past that.

    ikidd ,
    @ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

    They’re edgy tweens, just block them and move on. They’ll learn if someone doesn’t slap them to death before they hit their twenties.

    Kolanaki ,
    @Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

    Man, I remember when I was in school the edgy tweens and teens who claimed to be communist didn’t say stupid shit like denying actual history… They just wore red berets and Che Guevara t-shirts, completely oblivious to how that was supporting capitalism.

    fuckingkangaroos ,

    They’re not western anything, they’re LLMs run by Dmitri in St Petersburg.

    praise_idleness , (edited )

    General consensus is that there wad no massacre on the square. Once had a tankie bringing all the sources that says “Nothing happened on Tienanmen square but PLA killed thousands of people outside of it”.

    They’re delusional. There is little use in trying to engage with them. Convince other people who may unironically be convinced by them but don’t engage with them.

    NaibofTabr ,

    Yup. Spread the truth wherever you see the lies.

    Socsa ,

    I don’t think that’s a consensus at all. Most of the reports I have seen suggest that the violence started in the square when students were attacked minutes after they had agreed to leave, as soon as they had broke ranks, as it were. The violence then spread throughout the city afterwards as various groups attempted to reorganize in different places.

    verity_kindle ,

    I will remember the man in the white shirt, quietly standing in the path of a CCP tank, with grocery bags in his right hand. We don’t know what they did to him after that, but he matters. He will always matter.

    QuantumSparkles ,

    Honestly didn’t realize there were that many photos. I’ve only seen Tank man and photos of protestors. I had no idea the violence was so well documented

    SkyezOpen ,

    Tankies with a few more braincells than the others will know about these pictures and insist there were only a few hundred killed and most were not in the square. They flatly deny the massacre and instead paint it as a riot being put down or… Something to that effect. I forget the specifics.

    FlyingSquid , to insanepeoplefacebook in Sovcit was "robbed" by a cop.
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Once again, the thing I hate most about SovCits is that they make me pity cops.

    BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

    I think it’s both possible to dislike what police do and are, but also feel for some individual person who is working in a toxic culture beyond their capacity to change it, dealing with some absolute lunatic which is an act that’s far above their pay grade.

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    As long as we’re on the tangent, the lawyers and judges that have to go round and round with these willful idiots also deserve a moment of silence.

    BonesOfTheMoon OP ,

    Agreed. Many lawyers are actually really excellent…

    frezik , to insanepeoplefacebook in Sovcit is sooooo close..

    My econ 101 professor once said “what are the things that even the most anti-government people say the government needs to do? Emergency services.” Then these dense motherfuckers came along to outdo even that.

    sparkle ,

    Internet libertarians & off-the-rails conservatives unironically say EMS and Fire Departments should be privatized. Ancaps go one step further and say police and sometimes even military should be private. It makes me lose hope in voters, until I remember that I was 15 before too and most people surely grow out of that phase. But there’s a few people who are fully adult-aged who still believe that which is kind of sad for them I guess

    MonkeMischief , (edited )

    They tried this with firefighters before way back when, and then realized that fire doesn’t seem to care who’s subscribed or not lol. Can you imagine? “The fire and EMS lobby” would be powerfully pushing for reduced safety and maybe even starting fires themselves LOL.

    Edit while looking up the first thing: Oh my word… mercenary firefighters are a thing for the rich and we’re living in clown world.

    EDIT: Link went to NYT because it was top result, but screw that lol. Fixed.

    I can see it now though…

    Privatized emergency services be like:

    “Thank you for calling 9-1-1, this is Janeanniesomebody, can I have your 14-digit emergency insurance number, date of birth, and mother’s maiden name please. Okay thank you, one moment while I verify that…” (Click)

    "Your call is very important to us. Want to skip the line when it matters most? Did you know, for only $49.97 a month, you can get Emergency-Services-Plus+! Whether you want help fast, or to regret being covered for the rest of your life, we have a plan right for YOU!

    “Remember, emergency insurance means you can have peace of mind that, when you’re in mortal danger, we’re only a phone call and 45-minutes-to-1-business-day away! Not signed up yet? Press 1, and we can help!”

    ((Trendy upbeat hold music))

    “Did you know? We’re always hiring!”

    (Receiver pickup) “Thank you for calling this is Devaidengregjimmothy, dispatch specialist, how can I help you today? Hello?..Hello?..”

    Mikelius ,

    Cassius from the tail end of the roman republic famously was the richest man in Rome and owned the “fire brigade”. When a fire broke out he would only put it out after the owner agreed to sell the place for next to nothing.

    Illuminostro ,

    Crassus.

    Mikelius ,

    You are right, my bad.

    Illuminostro ,

    No problem.

    rottingleaf ,

    Also the guy whom Parthians had drink molten gold.

    He wanted to try himself as a general too, but that didn’t quite work out.

    Illuminostro ,

    I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, that’s the account. It probably didn’t happen, but it made a great story. The greediest, richest man in Rome bought an army and was made to drink what he craved most when he failed. Poetic justice.

    Side note, Crassus was an experienced military man who fought under Sulla, and put down Spartacus’ rebellion. But he was no general, treated legionnaires under his command with brutal discipline, even using the mostly outdated decimation (if a unit failed, or dishonored themselves, they were forced to beat every tenth man in the unit to death as punishment. )

    The only reason he invaded Parthia was that he was envious of Pompey and Caesar’s respect amongst the plebes (common citizens, i.e. peasants.) Military conquests were a sure way to gain respect in Roman culture, and to amass fortunes in slaves and booty.

    rottingleaf ,

    I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, that’s the account. It probably didn’t happen, but it made a great story. The greediest, richest man in Rome bought an army and was made to drink what he craved most when he failed. Poetic justice.

    Yes, I know ; there are a few stories of his death, some mutually exclusive. The most popular is the version that he was beheaded, “gold-fed” and his head used instead of cabbage in a theatrical play, the place is disputed too, most likely Ecbatana or Susa, but there’s also a version of that happening in Artaxata (matches the premise where it’s said that he didn’t listen to Artavazd’s warning out of his pride, and then Artavazd decided to “betray” Crassus by remaining loyal to Parthia).

    I think I’ve heard a version of him being overfed with meat and fat and made drink cold water, thus dying ; well, I don’t know if it’s even a working way to execute someone.

    Xenny ,

    Firefighters were literally private companies before we collectively decided it was a bad idea. Firefighters would just sit and watch a place burn if nobody payed up. Sometimes rival firefighters would even get in brawls over who gets the contract while the house was burning down beside them.

    vithigar ,

    They’re municipally operated here and we actually had a case a few years back where a small town that couldn’t reasonably afford to operate their own fire department needed to make arrangements with a nearby larger town to have fire emergency response services cover them.

    The larger town said sure, $50 per year per home. Small town had 63 people, but some refused to pay. Fire department said they weren’t going to keep track of which houses were and were not covered, so they had to all be on board or none of them would be.

    Naturally a home later caught fire and burned to the ground. Thankfully no one was inside at the time.

    Riven ,
    @Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Damn, that isn’t even all that much. Tiny town so I’m assuming some people just couldn’t afford it.

    ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

    if memory serves, the first fire fighters were in Rome and owned by rich people. If you didn’t pay them to put out the fire, their boss would buy the ashes from you afterwards.

    ancient-history-blog.mq.edu.au/…/Vigiles

    okay, I was close. Buy your house while it was still on fire.

    Contravariant ,

    Somewhat predictably they also started the first public firefighting force after a large part of the city burned down, again. Apparently prevention is just not profitable if you’re only paying people to extinguish fire.

    Didn’t prevent what is now known as the Great Fire of Rome though.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    There were cases of firefighters setting fires so that they could be paid to put them out. Why not?

    rottingleaf ,

    It makes me lose hope in voters, until I remember that I was 15 before too and most people surely grow out of that phase.

    Wait till you turn 25 and leave your parents’ basement

    sparkle ,

    Damn I didn’t know ancaps existed on this site. Ooooo taxes ooOo basic public services ooo scawy

    rottingleaf ,

    You’re the one who wrote about being 15.

    You are most likely not able to reason why ancap ideology is bad or why your own ideology is good. Which is why you should show more respect to people who are trying to reason in either direction. Their opinion, no matter which direction specifically that is, is worth something.

    Specifically ancap ideology is attractive for me exactly because it requires one to imagine very specific architectures of how things would work, so - to reason their position. I’ve been following one ancom channel in TG, because they were posting many interesting articles about tackling the same problems ancaps want to tackle. And as you may know, ancaps and ancoms don’t like each other.

    Both ancap and ancom ideologies are simply better than all the rest, because they don’t ignore the problem of compromised institutions.

    Once again, your opinion is worth as much as you personally can support it with logic. Being part of a crowd doesn’t mean attaining the intelligence or the authority of somebody else in that crowd. These things don’t transfer. So your tone makes only you personally look immature and stupid.

    Emmie , (edited )

    I mean I am basically a feudal lady but even I know this whole capitalistic mess is toxic for mind, soul and environment. How you want that but dialled to 11 is beyond me.

    It would end in actual feudalism as in few people amassing goods, land, resources and ruling over the masses as kings with their monopolies and monetising air you breathe or the like. Killing you for disobedience in some private execution using private justice system keeping u in check with private militia.

    The only thing between that reality and current is government with its anti monopoly laws, taxes, protection of basic amenities and wealth redistribution. Of course countries vary here.

    Ancapitalism is probably one of the most stupid systems you can invent as it basically deconstructs itself as one individual amasses so much wealth they become a de facto king ruling over everything with absolute power destroying the system that helped them amass such power.

    It is sad to see someone crazy enough to advocate for such system that isn’t even possible to exist long term and leads to feudalism very fast.

    Not many people are insane enough to want RUST game irl unironically

    rottingleaf ,

    Sorry, I see no value in this text because it wrongly assumes that ancap is about abolishing rules.

    Ancap is about determining a specific functional set of rules and functional architecture to support it.

    It’s about evaluating forces and feedbacks in human societies and economies and designing a system where people are impeded in using power to enforce their vision upon other people.

    That is why central authority and state are a problem - there are never backup mechanisms that you can switch to once the main one stops working correctly, and many people want this, because they want to capture that mechanism and enforce their will upon others. So even attempts to create backup mechanisms are met with resistance by crowds of fools who think that their favorite faction is the closest to capturing the main one and making others do something, and by people with power, who, of course, exist just as well despite that being ideologically inconvenient for you.

    The problem of someone eventually amassing too much power is not being solved by existing states any better than in ancap.

    Thus ancaps are trying to design systems as decentralized as possible for human societies. So that there always would be backup mechanisms to run away to.

    EDIT: If this is too abstract, that’s because ancap as an ideology is defined by these criteria and not by specific solutions. And that’s right, if an ideology puts its set of solutions above the goals, then it’s a religious cult.

    Emmie ,

    That’s a big load of pseudo-intellectual gibberish. But the end effect would be the same no matter how you try to gymnastic your way around it

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    People like this are always talking about how things should be without understanding that the world doesn’t run on ‘should’ and most people don’t want what they’re selling.

    rottingleaf ,

    OK, the other comment was bored, lazy and not very sincere.

    Ancapitalism is probably one of the most stupid systems you can invent as it basically deconstructs itself as one individual amasses so much wealth they become a de facto king ruling over everything with absolute power destroying the system that helped them amass such power.

    No. To learn about ancap, go to ancaps and not to non-ancaps writing about ancaps.

    It would end in actual feudalism as in few people amassing goods, land, resources and ruling over the masses as kings with their monopolies and monetising air you breathe or the like. Killing you for disobedience in some private execution using private justice system keeping u in check with private militia.

    No, because ancap is not the same as anarchy by Hobbes.

    Valmond ,

    What a weird appeal to authority (I guess?).

    rottingleaf ,

    No

    sparkle , (edited )

    Your reading comprehension must suck because you completely incorrectly read the sentence you’re obsessing over. There are so many of you ancaps (almost entirely clueless teenagers) online that it becomes tiring to debunk your stupid ideology over and over again. If you can’t see why a system based around capital – where you vote with your capital and people with more capital have more votes, where resources are distributed based on capital and capital itself is a resource – is inherently flawed, then that’s completely on you. If you want leftists to educate you, then you can support the education reforms they’re advocating for, not go on Lemmy and beg for them to personally tutor you. But I guess you’re still in high school so that’s not exactly something you’re old enough to do.

    Ancaps are pathetic, there is no reason to seriously engage every single one you see. They live in a fantasy world where charity replaces taxes and systematic discrimination & deepseated cultural biases are solved by the “free market”, and pollution & climate change (if you even think it’s an issue) are solved by future techbros which will totally invent stuff to completely unfuck the planet asap (or something something they’ll totally be stopped when people realize it violates the NAP). They also live in a fantasy world where capital isn’t used to “compromise the institutions” as you say you’re worried about. You can try to slither your way into anarchist discourse all you like and try to gain their acceptance, but it is not happening.

    rottingleaf , (edited )

    No. You may imagine you’ve defeated someone or debunked something. Bye

    EDIT: “If you want leftists to educate you” - definitely not. “Ancaps are …” - you are not qualified to talk about ancaps instead of ancaps themselves.

    sparkle ,

    The fact that your resolve immediately crumbles when you have to think about the logic of your ideology even a tiny bit says a lot about the number of years you have left until you graduate from high school

    rottingleaf ,

    My resolve crumbles because of people considering themselves intelligent gone chimps spamming my inbox.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Both ancap and ancom ideologies are simply better than all the rest, because they don’t ignore the problem of compromised institutions.

    And yet almost no one wants to live in the world those people have presented to everyone. Should they be forced to?

    rottingleaf ,

    Should they be forced to?

    If I can be forced to live in the world you like more, then yes, otherwise no.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I see, so how would you force them to live this way, kill the ones who elect a leader and decide to trade in currency?

    rottingleaf ,

    Just kill those trying to prevent ancap between me and my friends.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You just said everyone should be forced to live in an ancap world.

    Which is it? Just you and your friends or everyone?

    rottingleaf ,

    What I said.

    If I can be forced to live in the world you like more, then yes, otherwise no.

    That’s why leftists fail at everything they do.

    Which is it? Just you and your friends or everyone?

    It’s not the first time you cheat to pretend you caught me at something.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes, I know that’s what you said.

    I asked you:

    And yet almost no one wants to live in the world those people have presented to everyone. Should they be forced to?

    You responded:

    If I can be forced to live in the world you like more

    Clearly you can be forced to live in that world because you are forced to live in that world.

    then yes

    So I asked you how you would force everyone to live like that and you suddenly turned around and said this wasn’t about everyone, just you and your friends.

    And I’m cheating somehow?

    rottingleaf ,

    I think learning functional programming would do you good, and also I have a headache so leaving.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s an interesting cop-out.

    force , (edited )

    My entire job is using Scala, Rust, and Haskell, and I can guarantee that you have no fuckin idea what you’re on about. Like what even is that supposed to mean lmfao, you think monads will save your capitalism? Will you utilize lazy iterators to destroy the left wing? Did you just want to sound intellectual by using a random math term?

    rottingleaf ,

    My entire job is using Scala, Rust, and Haskell, and I can guarantee that you have no fuckin idea what you’re on about.

    Thank God you’re not my colleague with such guarantees.

    I meant laziness, yes.

    Did you just want to sound intellectual by using a random math term?

    Before whom, someone like you?

    force , (edited )

    You “meant laziness”? What are you trying to pull out of your ass right now man? Have you even touched a piece of modern technology in your life?

    rottingleaf ,

    Yes, quite a lot of them, but I forget things as quickly as I learn them. Go away, you are a fool.

    force ,

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  • rottingleaf , (edited )

    Well, I didn’t see which exact insult you wrote to be deleted by mods (I value their support emotionally, but frankly would prefer to replace all “deleted by mod” cases with “hidden by mod” to see what’s been posted if I want), but laziness in functional programming is not limited to lazy iterators. I meant lazy evaluations, as in Lisp. If that still doesn’t make sense to you, please postpone answering by 8-10 hours.

    EDIT: Ah, I see it now. A fool indeed.

    force , (edited )

    Actually whatever lemmy.world admins use to auto-ban malfunctioned and was banning a bunch of users for “URL Blacklist” coincidentally when I posted the comment. I’m glad that you thought it was a long ban though and that I wouldn’t be able to respond because now I can point and laugh at what you just said

    but laziness in functional programming is not limited to lazy iterators. I meant lazy evaluations, as in Lisp.

    Man you really just fucking Googled “laziness programming definition” and regurgitated words from the first Wikipedia article you saw? I’m curious how you’re going to try to weasel your way of of that and somehow connect lazy evaluation to however you were responding to that person. Because if you actually knew what the hell lazy evaluation was then you would know how stupid you sound right now. Let me guess, you won’t even attempt to because you realize trying to explain would make you look even more clueless.

    What is obvious is that you saw the words “functional programming” online one time and thought “you should learn functional programming” sounded like a fancy way of saying “you should learn logic” so you used it without having a clue as to what you were even talking about. The most stereotypical ancap pseudo-intellectualism I’ve seen!

    rottingleaf , (edited )

    Man you really just fucking Googled “laziness programming definition” and regurgitated words from the first Wikipedia article you saw?

    In my language what I said looked fine in this context and I’d be understood. In your language it’s still fine because a person arguing in good faith starts with assuming that the problem is with them, and the rest are not worth worries.

    Since I well know what lazy evaluations are, I am using them correctly, for the analogy that another person should have separated two arguments I’ve made (EDIT: as in “evaluating one is not necessary to evaluate another referring to it”).

    So it is clear for any spectator, competent or not, that you are a fool. Except some of them are the same.(EDIT2: removed for pettiness as well, found mentions of ADHD and, well, ADHD people usually seek arguments not to humiliate others, so I’m changing my interpretation)

    I didn’t “think it was a long ban”, I thought the specific comment got removed for some reason and I asked you to postpone continuation for 8-10 hours because I’d rather not test my willpower to not argue with fools in that timespan.

    I also think you are incompetent at your job, because people use informal language all the time to talk about concepts. (EDIT: this is petty, removed)

    force ,

    In my language what I said looked fine in this context and I’d be understood.

    Haha no fucking way you’re trying to use “in my language it’s different” in this context. What language? What language could you possibly even be referring to? Is this language in the room with us right now?

    Since I well know what lazy evaluations are, I am using them correctly, for the analogy that another person should have separated two arguments I’ve made. So it is clear for any spectator, competent or not, that you are a fool. Except some of them are the same.

    You saying “I’m right and your wrong because… because I know I’m right!” is certainly an argument. I guess I was correct about you not being able to come up with actual reasoning for the bullshit you tried pulling.

    I also think you are incompetent at your job, because people use informal language all the time to talk about concepts.

    What kind of pseudointellectual oral diarrhea is this? “Informal language”? You think anyone actually believes the bullshit you’re making up about “lazy evaluation” being “informal language” for something else in your language?

    Are you in 10th grade or something? You sound so unbelievably dumb right now trying to make justifications for your stupidity up on the fly and failing horribly.

    rottingleaf ,

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  • force , (edited )

    “I realize me trying to use terms I don’t know the meaning of in an argument makes me look stupid now to people who actually have knowledge about the subject, so I’m going to make a short and quippy comment to avoid trying to address my incompetently made claims and hope the other person lets me have the last word, or else I’m going to continue arguing because it would hurt my ego if they got to have the last word.” That is how you look to everyone else. Ancaps are very predictable. How many times have you tried to mic drop people today so far?

    breadsmasher ,
    @breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

    You should have taken the L and stopped, many comments ago.

    rottingleaf ,

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  • breadsmasher ,
    @breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

    This entire chain could be posted here - insane person on lemmy

    Valmond ,

    Are those friends in the room right now?

    rottingleaf ,

    I dunno, get a look around

    Bernie_Sandals ,
    @Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

    Specifically ancap ideology is attractive for me exactly because it requires one to imagine very specific architectures of how things would work

    You’re saying you like it because it makes you use your imagination because it’s literally so far from reality it’ll never exist? Lol.

    rottingleaf ,

    Ancap ideology, not ancap world.

    Most ideologies require you only to bunch together and yell louder. Ancap is not suited for that, which is why it’s cool.

    I would formulate this as “hard to achieve, so requires clearly understood principles”. Same as space travel. Or GNU/Hurd. Sigh.

    Bernie_Sandals ,
    @Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

    Most ideologies require you only to bunch together and yell louder. Ancap is not suited for that, which is why it’s cool.

    Then why the fuck do I constantly see Ancaps doing this?

    I’ve literally never actually seen an ancap successfully practice their ideas. I’ve only ever seen them desperately fail trying, or loudly exclaiming that they’re the smartest and bestest and all their ideas are golden (ignore the fact they’ve never even tried to put them In place, just loudly yelled complaining about the world they exist in like cats).

    rottingleaf ,

    I’ve literally never actually seen an ancap successfully practice their ideas.

    There is a community in Montenegro I know of trying to do that. It hasn’t yet desperately failed. It’s Russian, so may not fit you.

    I also fuzzily remember a group of people planning of another such place like 10 years ago, but I stopped following them.

    or loudly exclaiming that they’re the smartest and bestest and all their ideas are golden (ignore the fact they’ve never even tried to put them In place, just loudly yelled complaining about the world they exist in like cats).

    How is this different from any kind of leftists except tankies?

    Also “never tried” is a simplification.

    Bernie_Sandals ,
    @Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

    I also fuzzily remember a group of people planning of another such place like 10 years ago, but I stopped following them.

    A group near me completely failed after their town was overrun by bears because the abolished the trash/recycling rules and the animal control department.

    How is this different from any kind of leftists except tankies?

    Literally every single leftie has a larger history of putting their ideology into practice, seen or heard of a welfare state? Democratic Socialists and Social Democrats probably built it. Every nation on earth has a Dem Soc or Soc Dem major party.

    Hell even the other anarchists have spent the past century building communes literally everywhere, and they’re the second most ineffective political group after Ancaps.

    rottingleaf ,

    A group near me completely failed after their town was overrun by bears because the abolished the trash/recycling rules and the animal control department.

    Well, incompetence sucks.

    Literally every single leftie has a larger history of putting their ideology into practice, seen or heard of a welfare state? Democratic Socialists and Social Democrats probably built it. Every nation on earth has a Dem Soc or Soc Dem major party.

    Of course it’s larger, ancap is from 1960s.

    So non-ancap nations influenced by ancap count?

    Hell even the other anarchists have spent the past century building communes literally everywhere, and they’re the second most ineffective political group after Ancaps.

    Because ancaps exist for less than a century.

    I guess you won’t call cryptocurrencies a success of ancap ideology.

    Bernie_Sandals ,
    @Bernie_Sandals@lemmy.world avatar

    Of course it’s larger, ancap is from 1960s.

    If you only read Rothbard and his ilk, it did. But just like Marxism had thousands of years of proto-projects and inspiration, the thought behind Ancap has been around in practice for centuries.

    So non-ancap nations influenced by ancap count?

    The only countries to be ideologically pure in anything have been hellscapes, so I’d say being inspired is probably the best example you can get.

    I guess you won’t call cryptocurrencies a success of ancap ideology.

    You literally had to recreate centralized exchanges for crypto to succeed, and through that, you rebuilt everything that’s wrong with traditional currency but transferred the control from democracies to private citizens.

    rottingleaf ,

    If you only read Rothbard and his ilk, it did. But just like Marxism had thousands of years of proto-projects and inspiration, the thought behind Ancap has been around in practice for centuries.

    Not that much. Maybe Catholic distributivism and, eh, early USA.

    The only countries to be ideologically pure in anything have been hellscapes, so I’d say being inspired is probably the best example you can get.

    OK, then it’s hard for me to draw a border between something being ancap-inspired and generally right-liberal. Ancap is extreme voluntarism. The name is wrong, it’s not about capitalism, but capitalism results from it.

    You literally had to recreate centralized exchanges for crypto to succeed, and through that, you rebuilt everything that’s wrong with traditional currency but transferred the control from democracies to private citizens.

    I didn’t mean that as an achievement of ancap, it’s an utter (mostly technical, but still) failure. Just that it’s clearly influenced by that ideology.

    Maybe cypherpunks (partially).

    ameancow ,

    They sure do want us all to live in a world where you have to swipe your credit card to drive anywhere, to go into a store, to walk anywhere, to use a public bathroom, to call 911, to use any services at all.

    But I guess it will be worth it, because I’m sure the ancaps and libertarians and sovcits have a really good plan to keep each of us wealthy enough that privatizing the entirety of civilization won’t harm anyone.

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    Guy Fieri?

    Anyolduser ,

    I came here for a sensible chuckle, not to have my fucking mind blown.

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    mortemtyrannis ,

    The good ol Carolina Mop and Slop.

    That’s not a euphemism.

    Cryophilia ,

    No one better fucking cancel Guy Fieri or so help me I will kick their ass six ways from Flavortown

    HawlSera ,

    They already made Guy Fieri bro

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