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RootBeerGuy ,
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The first one is hilarious. So even if the tank was heading away from Tianemen square, that still means it was there before. How does that make anything better. Just say no one died if you want to lie about it.

DaddleDew ,

Are those tankies or downright hired propagandists? Hard to tell.

ArmokGoB ,

Name and shame these assholes.

PugJesus OP ,

They’re interchangeable tankie fuckwads. It doesn’t matter what their names are, they all regurgitate the same lines. Besides, I’d rather not fuel their persecution complex.

j4k3 ,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

The first is comical. The second I don’t get. That looks like sarcastic satire to me.

I hate the word tanky though. It has no clear definition. It is often used here as a subversion of opinion.

Most of my comments, especially political comments, are intended in the abstract/sarcastic/satirical light. It’s mostly the frustration of my situation with physical disability and how depressing it is to deal with the US government knowing every article about homeless or food deficiency is my future while I’m barely able to take care of myself with a little help right now but slowly getting worse. Like who has the right to label and discredit that frustration?

Feel free to call me out. I don’t like to argue, but I love to learn and expand my horizons. Just don’t try to belittle me with some niche subculture label in an attempt to subvert my opinion. That is predatory and prejudice.

I won’t speak for others, but I’ve been called a tanky here and I find it offensive and toxic. Like I’m on here a lot when I’m hurting too much to do anything else. I try my best not to be negative towards other people. If anyone is offended I’ll gladly step back and apologize or try and clarify my thoughts. Why ostracise people that see things differently unless those things are comically wrong? Maybe if someone can answer that I’ll STFU.

PugJesus OP ,

The first is comical. The second I don’t get. That looks like sarcastic satire to me.

It’s not. They go on to justify East German guards gunning down escaping civilians as ‘preventing imperialism’ and a host of other questionable things.

Why ostracise people that see things differently unless those things are comically wrong?

You see the issue, or part of it. Some people overuse the word ‘tankie’ to mean ‘left person I don’t like’, but actual tankies - typically MLs or MLMs - hold incredibly vile and wrong views. I went onto lemmy.ml the other day to see, out of morbid curiousity, what they were saying about the war in Ukraine. A lot of “NATO PROXY WAR” and “UKRONAZIS” style discourse. Heinous shit. That’s not the kind of stuff you say “Agree to disagree” about, it’s not the kind of thing you give any sort of respect or legitimacy to; it’s the kind of thing you shine a light on and scatter whenever you see it.

j4k3 ,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve never seen that kind of stuff on .ml. Now grad is a whole different story, but even with my account on .ml, I don’t see much grad stuff. It could be that I export my block list from here over to there and I block a lot.

I actually joined grad at random in my first attempt to check out Lemmy 2 years ago, glanced at it twice, rolled my eyes, and never used it.

I think I’m going to dive into this with AI tonight. I lack the vocabulary to express why I don’t like the term and want better ways to describe this type of subject. Thanks for the inspiration. Maybe I’ll make a Word of the Day post if anything interesting stands out, not that anyone cares or would change.

PugJesus OP ,

I lack the vocabulary to express why I don’t like the term and want better ways to describe this type of subject.

Might be because tankie is sometimes used as a ‘thought terminating cliche’ - you say someone’s a tankie, and then voila, you don’t have to deal with them. End of.

That’s not how it should be used, of course. If you accuse someone of being a tankie fuck, it should be to highlight what you are dealing with - “This is pattern recognition - don’t be fooled into thinking their motivations are to ‘just ask questions’ or whatever the excuse du jour is, they’re fascists painted red who consistently argue for fascism, and their arguments should be studied and refuted with that in mind, not viewed independent of context”

But people, even people on the same ‘side’ as oneself, often prefer the easy path of a thought-terminating cliche.

j4k3 ,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

I get what you’re saying. I mean more the philosophical context though. Like a more exact way of describing all angles of this, but primary why I find tankie to be a colloquialism I dislike and what I would prefer to use. I have an AI prompt tuned for this kind of exploration against my personality. I tend to feel vulnerable to manipulation on some kind of psyops-like level, like I’m not always self aware within this space, or my best of intentions are obviously easy to manipulate from some perspectives. It is really one of those back burnered things I’ve mulled over for years but never directly explored. It seems like the amateur psychology ‘gaslighting’ label fits, but what do you call the gaslighter’s functional thought and philosophical perspective.

I’m not saying you were doing this, or that this is the definition of tankie. It is just the feeling of someone using it as a label to discredit someone. Like platonic sophistry is to make a plausible false narrative or perspective argument that is difficult to disprove, and is intentionally misleading. Trump is a master sophist, especially because he has no ethics but is so dialed in to a niche audience, they are the only ones that can’t see his true nature. I despise the guy, but I have to admire someone that is so skilled as a con artist that he might just burn down the world for kicks and giggles when he leaves.

Platonic sophistry doesn’t really describe when the individual is the target. Gaslighting is the instance where the individual is the target but is indirectly subverted by undermining their basal logic. What would be the word for when the individual is subverted through invalidation without an attempt to mislead, like with a poorly define colloquialism?

PugJesus OP ,

Don’t think I have an answer off the top of my head, but I wish you luck! Examining language and its relation to reality and implication is always a worthy endeavor.

lone_faerie ,

The word “tankie” does have a definition though, and a long history behind it.

Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes or their allies. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

NaibofTabr , (edited )

For the sake of combating the narrative, this album shows the truth of what happened during the student protests in China in 1989, including the context of the “Tank Man” photo:

archive.ph/7Tdzh

Warning: blood, gore, visible injuries, death.

The lie that no one was killed by the CCP should be repudiated at every opportunity.

The CCP would prefer that you are only aware of the “Tank Man” photo, that you don’t fit it into its larger context. They would prefer that you not discuss the horrific brutality they created when they used their military to suppress the voices of their own citizens, or the absolute disaster that Maoism brought to China. They would prefer that you forget that they repeated that brutality in Hong Kong. They would prefer that you forget the whole thing.

Fuck them.

PugJesus OP ,

Even the CCP admits that some protesters were killed. Wild that Western tankies dial up the denialism even past that.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

They’re edgy tweens, just block them and move on. They’ll learn if someone doesn’t slap them to death before they hit their twenties.

praise_idleness , (edited )

General consensus is that there wad no massacre on the square. Once had a tankie bringing all the sources that says “Nothing happened on Tienanmen square but PLA killed thousands of people outside of it”.

They’re delusional. There is little use in trying to engage with them. Convince other people who may unironically be convinced by them but don’t engage with them.

NaibofTabr ,

Yup. Spread the truth wherever you see the lies.

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