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Annoyed_Crabby , to lemmyshitpost in Let the triggering begin

Do people under 40 not buying bread?

MacNCheezus OP ,
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

They just download it from the cloud nowadays

alquicksilver ,
@alquicksilver@lemmy.world avatar

Soggy bread sounds terrible. Do they at least keep it in a bread box in the cloud?

Mr_Fish ,

You wouldn’t download a loaf

MacNCheezus OP ,
@MacNCheezus@lemmy.today avatar

I totally would

DessertStorms , to memes in It do be like that
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

This has made me realise that probably the only thing that costs me the same now as it did last year, is my weed. 💚

paddirn ,

“That’s what I love about these weed prices, man. Cost of living goes up, they stay the same price.”

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Alright alright alright

ultra ,

I don’t get why the Lemmy verse seems so pro-weed. It just fucks up your brain

drspod , to technology in Humble Bundle expressing their feelings about Unity
Not_Alec_Baldwin ,

I see these bundles but I always assume they are trash.

Are they trash? I haven’t been interested until now, but I’ve been meaning to learn a bit of game dev as a hobby and unity isn’t really an option anymore.

anteaters ,

I did buy one of those Zenva bundles some time ago for Godot - seems to have very similar content to this one. It’s alright. Target audience are beginners but I suspect that we’ll get a lot more beginner tutorials on YT anyways.

Not_Alec_Baldwin ,

That’s always the conflict here, the free content on YouTube is just frequently so good. I guess I’ll just take a look for godot stuff right now and then decide.

BigVault ,
@BigVault@kbin.social avatar

I much prefer written guides for anything that interests me over YouTube videos that are unnecessarily long. Plus the false attempts to get engagement (sometimes by making statements that are maliciously stupid) to appease the algorithm like:

What are your preferred ways to consume content? I prefer carrier pigeon, it’s easily the best. Let me know in the comments below if you have a preferred way, and don’t forget to like and subscribe.

Really annoying, like our sponsor….

Cyreld ,

I had assumed these guides were in video form. If they’re written guides I might actually be more interested since I prefer that too

newIdentity ,

Depends if you’re interested in them or not. I bought the NisiOisiN (Monogatari series) bundle a few years ago and got my value out of it. Too bad the Metadata wasn’t in the same format on all of them and I had to edit it afterwards.

darthelmet , to greentext in Anon doesn’t like Elden Ring

I like the games in spite of the dumb stuff like this. I fully recognize a lot of it is really bad design.

It is very frustrating though. Setting aside the silly NPC quests, it’s so disappointing finding some cool looking item or spell only for it to be practically useless.

kamenlady ,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, it’s almost like real life. I honestly don’t want to be in real life mood when I’m playing a game.

The_Picard_Maneuver ,
@The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world avatar

FromSoft is just min-maxing their game design build.

They put too many points into combat and level design that now all they can afford for story are some vague NPC ramblings and hints in item descriptions.

littletranspunk , to lemmyshitpost in The longer you look, the worse it gets

honk

BackOnMyBS ,
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place avatar

oh my godddd, fuckkkkk 😩

Lightor ,

My stomach hurts real bad

LeroyJenkins ,

try tums or Alka Seltzer

BackOnMyBS ,
@BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place avatar

might wanna get your prostate checked out by a doctor

Moonrise2473 , to assholedesign in Dropbox now requires login to download a shared file

Shared from a paid account or from a free account?

If shared from paid account, then tomorrow I’m going to cancel our company account as this is unacceptable, we use that for sharing files in emails (we tried to use a self hosted nextcloud but customers are too dumb to figure out how to press the download button)

LodeMike OP ,

Paid. There may have been something that affected it but we don’t know what. Can you do your own tests and report back?

Moonrise2473 ,

Both on mobile and desktop there’s a “login wall” but it can be dismissed by pressing on the X.

Still, it’s a dark pattern that I don’t like, tomorrow at work we will discuss alternatives as we subscribed (one single account shared between everyone) just for sending attachments with filelink using thunderbird - and with a “login wall” it no longer fits the purpose

LodeMike OP ,

What fucking X? Where is it?

Moonrise2473 ,

On the top right. Maybe it’s some a/b testing to see which one “converts” (=annoys) more. I don’t have the “just take me to the download” link like in the other image, just the X to close the login popup

Unacceptable IMHO, I just want to give my clients an easy link to download the huge files I’m sending them without ads or tricks. With this wall many users will get confused and create a new account

LodeMike OP ,

Yeah it’s gotta be A-B testing. Switching to dl=1 just returned a passive-aggressive “Hmm that doesn’t look right” page. I didn’t check the error code because mobile.

cumskin_genocide , to programmer_humor in Absolute legend

Bro that reminds me when I was in university and I used to tutor fellow students with the goal of getting laid. As soon as I got laid I stopped tutoring. Now unfortunately I’m married and have kids because of that.

PoopingCough ,

wat

cumskin_genocide ,

You read what you read

bamfic ,

pooping cough was confused by cumskin genocide.

Princeali311 ,

He tutored girls with the hopes of getting laid, but then when he did, it turns out he liked her and settled down with her and is now married to her.

PoopingCough ,

Ohhhh for some reason my mind went to him trying to tutor other dudes to help them with women. Was very confused.

Microw ,

You guys ooze heteronormativism

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@programming.dev avatar

You ooze self-righteousness.

Microw ,

The original commenter @cumskin_genocide did neither specify their own sex nor the gender of the people they tutored.

Multiple people under that comment simply assumed that OP is male and was tutoring girls. That is heteronormative. Yes, I formulated that with a bit of snark. But come on.

RustyShackleford ,
@RustyShackleford@programming.dev avatar

But come on.

Unironically, no u.

dejected_warp_core ,

Same.

Wow, what a bro. Where was this guy when I was in school?

::re-reads comment and thread::

Oh. Yeah, that one’s on me. That makes a little more sense.

feedum_sneedson ,

It’s an excellent tactic.

bulwark , to programmer_humor in Absolute legend

Reminds me of when my breaks started failing on my 1990 Chrysler LeBaron so I got a job at a break repair place long enough to fix them then I quit.

slouching_employer ,

brakes

Dagwood222 ,
normalexit ,

I think “breaks” is appropriate if you own a Chrysler.

Ironfacebuster ,

My dad has a TC Maserati (Chrysler labaron) and it’s “breaks” just recently stopped working for no reason, so very accurate

caseyweederman ,

braycks

boatsnhos931 ,

Bhrakes

bitchkat ,

And its pronounced “Brad”

bulwark ,

Lol, ya it was the breaks that I was too broke to afford brakes.

caseyweederman ,

Thems the brakes

kelargo ,

What needed repaired?

bulwark ,

Pads, calibers and new discs. That seemed like a lot of money for 17 year old kid. I worked there for a couple of months. I learned a few things, like working on brakes is not for me.

thejoker954 ,

I hate working on brakes. Even just replacing pads can be a pain in the ass nevermind when you have to do real work to 'em.

I try to do all the basic work/maintenance myself, but fuck brakes.

OopsOverbombing ,

Sheeeeit I’ll do your brakes for you. Brakes is easy and satisfying.

ASeriesOfPoorChoices ,

those bits on a car are called “brakes”. When a brake breaks, it’s a broken brake and needs to be fixed.

zcoyle ,

“if it ain’t brakes, we don’t fix it”

OopsOverbombing ,

Thank you. That’s one of my little pet peeves I see online; that and when people are trying to say lose but type loose.

AnarchoSnowPlow ,

They’re they’re, it’ll be all right.

SidewaysHighways ,

Don’t forget to breath

MDKAOD ,

But then all the sudden everything went wrong on accident.

Sanctus , to lemmyshitpost in Photo of new Iranian GMD (Gyatt of Mass Destruction)
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Dude’s got some cake, I’ll admit.

CptEnder ,

That’s Iran’s ass

XEAL , to lemmyshitpost in Happy April Fool's here's your System of a Down meme

WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR!!??

KoalaUnknown ,

WHY DON’T PRESIDENTS FIGHT THE WAR!!??

Assman ,
@Assman@sh.itjust.works avatar

This really spoke to me, as a poor 12 year old ineligible for the draft

psmgx ,

It really spoke to me as someone who joined the USMC in 2003 and got shot at in Anbar

makeasnek , to memes in Thank you American software
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

How come every thread I see about this topic, there is nobody who is concerned about letting the federal government dictate which apps you can and cannot use to communicate with other people? This is some 1984 shit.

Tartas1995 ,

Because it isn’t new nor special.

Apps are a Service and services have been and are regulated for decades now and the system have been always arbitrary as fuck.

In the case of TikTok, the west, as a military alliance, should be concerned due to the nature of current valid Chinese laws and the implications of it.

And e.g. facebook has proven that they don’t like to stick to rules about how to handle data. In case of TikTok, this could easily have bigger implications for e.g. the American military.

turkishdelight ,

Well, you can expect China doing the same. This kind of behaviour triggers retalliation.

solarvector ,

You might look into the apps they have already banned.

the_crotch ,

They were blocking the bulk of the internet via their great firewall before mobile apps were even a thing

FunkyStuff ,

The current situation over in China still allows internet users to easily access services like Facebook or YouTube through VPNs, it was more of a measure of digital protectionism to allow local development of IT companies, online business, etc. If China wants to do similar censorship in response to these measure, they very well could still crack down on VPNs.

Tankiedesantski ,

If it’s really about the military as you suggest then the extremely easy solution is to order service members not to use Tik Tok.

Passing a specific law to compell the sale of one specific company is arguably some sort of Bill of Attainder, which I’m sure ByteDance’s lawyers will be argueing as soon as Biden’s pen touches paper.

Tartas1995 ,

…wikipedia.org/…/Restrictions_on_TikTok_in_the_Un….

Well look at that. And no, that isn’t enough from a military perspective. Look at the Russian propaganda war in e.g. Germany, that shit can have a negative effect on the defensive abilities of a nation.

Tankiedesantski ,

Most of those bans are organizations saying that employees can’t install TikTok on organization issued phones and computers, which is not at all comparable to an overall ban? My work doesn’t allow me to play video games on work computers or drink on work property, but that’s not at all the same as a law banning all video games and alcohol.

Look at the Russian propaganda war in e.g. Germany, that shit can have a negative effect on the defensive abilities of a nation.

Yeah one problem with human and civil rights is that they tend to have negative effects on the defensive abilities of a nation. War would be so much easier if you could just arrest all the peace protestors, or hold suspected enemy agents without trial, or force people to work without pay in defence industries, or force women to give birth to more people so you can conscript more soldiers.

So let’s just do away with free speech and habeus corpus, reinstitute slave labor and force women to pop out lots of kids. Then Germany can defend itself again, just like the last two times.

Tartas1995 ,

Aren’t you misunderstanding my point a little bit? My point isn’t that the e.g. us should ban TikTok or that national security is the most important thing ever. My first Point was that there is a national security incentive to ban TikTok in ways that e.g. Facebook doesn’t have, but like you expressed obviously there are other consideration to be made. My first Point was just that TikTok is not like Facebook from an us national security pov. Then you spoke from a ban for service members, to which I simply pointed out that there is one to some degree, especially important as there is a ban on private devices in some environments. Deployment can be reason for the ban. In other words, your suggestion is already in place to some degree. My 2nd point about Russian propaganda is also strictly about the fact that “national security” doesn’t end at the government employee line and suggesting that is ridiculous.

As you might have realized, I haven’t expressed any desire to ban TikTok. That is because I am not in favor of a ban. I am just able to argue a perspective unlike mine own and think it is necessary when people treat Facebook and TikTok the same. Do you think china doesn’t care about where their software is coming from? Do you think no one is avoiding e.g. check point firewall due to e.g. gil shwed and his story with unit 8200?

ApathyTree , (edited ) to memes in Could it be that I just have horrible taste? No, it's the market that's wrong!
@ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I love purple but I would hate this kitchen.

My living room walls are purple but less intense than this and offset with blues and off-white. You have to be careful with purple. It gets overwhelming quick.

lol what a waste of money.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Like it’s kid’s bubblegum grapetastic flavor purple. It’s “look what it’s done to the camera’s white balance” purple.

Psythik , to lemmyshitpost in Rate my Tinder profile

Man, 33 really hit a lot harder back then. Dude looks closer to 53.

Llewellyn ,

Because of the hideous haircut

Psythik ,

And the balding. And the aging face.

darkpanda ,

Why do you think he’s so insistent on proper use of lotions?

MeatPilot , to lemmyshitpost in Get to work, crackheads
@MeatPilot@lemmy.world avatar

What’s the copper to crack exchange rate currently?

ComradeKhoumrag ,
@ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub avatar

5.5lbs of copper is apparently about 20$ worth

MycelialMass ,

What is that? Like 1 crack?

Death_Equity ,

Like 4.

Emerald ,

I should make a website that shows crack prices across the usa on a map. I could open it up to submissions and build a dataset of what people charge for crack. Then get a perfect business plan. Corner the crack market. Oh wow I know what im gonna do with the rest of my life!

Death_Equity ,

Crack is cheap unless you are in the nice suburbs. Not much variation in price otherwise.

Your competition would not take kindly to your business. See inner city violence.

Schadrach ,

Even ignoring the likelihood of being murdered, illegal drug arbitrage is going to be low margin for the amount of risk involved. Most of the profit is with the manufacturers and distributors.

Death_Equity ,

You can only get cocaine from the South American cartels. No local production with vertical integration is impossible. You can only cut into street level as a producer and direct customer interface is the only viable business model. That competition would be a direct with likewise retailers. Yes, buying from the producers of raw material and locally producing the finished good has a considerable profit margin, but your direct competition is established brands that have no problem capping a fool stepping on their block. Distancing yourself from the customer-facing business only decreases profit margin and risk, but unavoidable turnover would mandate a more direct customer interface in order to maximize profit margins by absorbing considerable risk.

SpiderShoeCult ,

this guy supply chains

Emerald ,

then I won’t sell in the neighborhood. I’ll start a website, getgoodcrack4me.biz

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“1 crack please, Mr. Dealer, sir.”

Emerald ,

But that doesn’t mean that you’d get the full $20 if you take it to a scrapyard. Still pretty good though. A relative of mine searches dumpsters for metal stuff and gets good money selling it to scrapyards. They have a job and good money. I think they just do it as a sidehustle and for fun

feedum_sneedson ,

That can’t be true, that seems incredibly cheap.

Asidonhopo ,

Wait I can buy 5 lbs of copper for 20 dollars? Making ingots sounds like a blast. Or coinage!

Edit: this is high quality copper, right?

wewbull ,

No, it’s a melted down speed camera.

guiguinofake ,

Dude is about to write a complaint letter to crackhead-nasir

AutistoMephisto , to lemmyshitpost in Get to work, crackheads
@AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

This one is in a school zone. People really shouldn’t be speeding through them unless they’re a “fuck them kids” kinda person, and if you are you’re a piece of shit.

Iron_Lynx , (edited )

Even better solution though: (re-) build the street at a school zone so that no driver more sane than the most insane Florida Man would not fathom driving any faster than 20 km/h, no speed cameras required.

byroon ,

Even better solution though: the street at a school zone that no driver more sane than the most insane Florida Man would not fathom driving any faster than 20 km/h, no speed cameras required.

What?

Iron_Lynx , (edited )

It’s simple. If you design the road to be wide, straight, with wide, clearly marked lanes, clear sides and a smooth surface, people will naturally be inclined to drive faster. This is based on experiences with forgiving design. For motorways, this is fine. But for residential neighbourhoods and school zones, it’s a bloodbath waiting to happen.

So out there, you do the exact opposite. Make the street so narrow that anything bigger than an average pickup truck barely fits in a lane. Make it out of brick and don’t mark the centre of the road. Surround the street with shrubs and other obstacles, and stick it full of sharp chicanes.

This is the deliberate inverse of forgiving design, called traffic calming.

milkytoast ,
@milkytoast@kbin.social avatar

nah fuck brick roads. the rest sure. not brick. dangerous for panick braking (less traction), wears iunt tires and suspension prematurely

Iron_Lynx , (edited )

Problems that are all reduced, eliminated or rendered irrelevant altogether if traffic moves slowly, which it probably does, thanks to all the other modifications.

Plus, they add a ton of road noise inside the vehicle, further increasing the level of discomfort at higher speeds, contributing to a lower design speed.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Do you work for IBM on Lotus Notes?

psud ,

Panic braking from 20 km/h isn’t going to be impeded by a brick surface, even wet brick.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Main roads shouldn’t be brick, but local residential streets certainly should. The speed limit should be 30 km/h or less anyway, and in a well-designed road network they should only make up a tiny portion of your overall drive, so wearing tyres and suspension isn’t an issue.

Blue_Morpho ,

Make the street so narrow that anything bigger than an average pickup truck barely fits. Make it out of brick and don’t mark the centre of the road.

School buses are a thing.

Iron_Lynx ,

School busses do nothing to solve the problem of speeding in school zones.

Blue_Morpho ,

I specifically quoted the part about making the road in front of a school so narrow a pickup truck would have trouble.

If it’s too narrow for a pickup truck, how are school busses supposed to function?

Iron_Lynx ,

Then let me specify:

Wide enough for one pickup and no opposing traffic, but so narrow that two pickups are going to really have to negotiate to move around each other.

wesley ,

Yup, if a school bus is coming then everyone going the other way better slow down and watch out!

It’s about not making it fit “comfortably”, not that it can’t fit at all. Drivers who feel uncomfortable naturally slow down and pay more attention.

Iron_Lynx ,

Drivers who feel uncomfortable naturally slow down and pay more attention.

Congratulations, you stumbled upon the key point of traffic calming!

Blue_Morpho ,

Schools have more than one bus and they have to pass each other. There are also school buses for the other nearby schools like the middle school and high school running at the same time even when school starts times are offset.

barsoap ,

Schools have more than one bus and they have to pass each other.

No they don’t they can enter from the same side. You’re just looking for excuses. Also why do you need buses in the first place why aren’t the kids walking or biking.

tigeruppercut ,

My elementary school was 15 miles from my house. You think that’s a safe distance for a 6 year old to travel alone?

barsoap ,

Let me look at a map… maybe 1km max anywhere in my 30k town to the next primary school and that’s when you’re living on the very very edge of town. Should be under 500m for most pupils.

If you’re living in a rural area, outside of the next village (which will have a school), which is an absolute exception as things tend to cluster into villages in rural areas, it might be 5km. Not really an issue with a bike, I biked what 3.5km to Kindergarten (together with my mom). If you have less density than that you probably should have boarding schools.

For secondary education, if you’re living in a village you’ll probably have to take the bus to the nearest city. Regular public transport though the schedule will take school times into account. Yes, kids can walk 500m to the nearest station.

Bonus: All that school density – smaller but way more of them – means that there’s obvious places to hold elections as there’s a municipality-owned place in Sunday stroll distance to pretty much everywhere. The only downside are the ludicrously low tables.

tigeruppercut ,

Above you wondered why we need buses and I said that when I was 6 I lived 15 miles (24 km) from my school (and it was suburban, not rural). You then said that your school was 3.5 km away. I don’t see how that answers my question.

barsoap ,

US suburbia has a higher density than the German countryside, having to travel 24km is nuts. That’d be defensible if you live in a tiny settlement 24km from a place with more than two dozen houses – I’m sure those exist in the US but suburbia isn’t that.

How many pupils were there at your school? My state has 106240 pupils in 393 primary schools, that’s an average of 270. Minimum size under ordinary circumstances is 80, the smallest is on Nordstrandischmoor: An island, 18 inhabitants, five families, one school, one teacher, two students, here it is. That’s because we don’t do boarding in primary education so there’s a maximum tolerable commute time/distance, once those kids are old enough they’ll spend Monday through Friday on the mainland.

If your system insists that a school have at least 2k students or such then, yes, of course, walking to school will be an impossibility for most. Fix your school sizes and like 99% of students will be able to walk or bike, use buses or minivans or whatnot for the rest we do that too (not really possible in Nordstrandischmoor, thing doesn’t even have a ferry but a rail link that’s only usable when the tide is low).

And no it wasn’t my school it was my Kindergarten, which wasn’t, by a long shot, the closest to home it was the one my parents chose. I mentioned it to say that biking 3.5km is something a 4yold can do, physically, without any issue at all really.

Blue_Morpho ,

You have one bus going in one direction to a school passing another bus going to another school.

Have you only lived in an inner city where roads can be one way because they alternate in direction every block?

Also why do you need buses in the first place why aren’t the kids walking or biking.

??? If that’s your solution then why is there a road to begin with? Just ban cars. Simple.

barsoap ,

You have one bus going in one direction to a school passing another bus going to another school.

In front of a school? Are your schools connected directly to highways or something?

Have you only lived in an inner city where roads can be one way because they alternate in direction every block?

We don’t have blocks.

Blue_Morpho ,

Are your schools connected directly to highways or something?

Roads are typically 2 lanes one in each direction. You already know this because you said a solution would be to remove the lane marker.

So you have a road with an elementary school, and 2 miles further down is a middle school. Even without that you have buses passing each other during pickup because busses only pickup kids on one side of the street so you don’t have young kids crossing roads. So one bus runs in one direction down a road picking up kids direction down the road.

We don’t have blocks.

What do you call a section of inner city bounded on all sides by a road in your country?

barsoap , (edited )

Roads are typically 2 lanes one in each direction. You already know this because you said a solution would be to remove the lane marker.

I’m someone else.

So you have a road with an elementary school, and 2 miles further down is a middle school. Even without that you have buses passing each other during pickup because busses only pickup kids on one side of the street so you don’t have young kids crossing roads.

Lots of questions here: Why can’t kids walk 500m to the next bus stop? Why are streets so unsafe so that kids can’t cross them?

Why assume that there’s no larger road in between those smaller roads? Roads generally form a hierarchy, you have big ones feeding into middle ones feeding into small ones. Small ones should absolutely be safe to cross, also without explicit crossings, because they’re traffic calmed and don’t have much traffic in the first place. That’s where houses and schools are, where there’s no through-traffic because even if they aren’t cul de sacs who would drive through a road you can’t drive fast on when there’s a mid-level road that you could take.

What do you call a section of inner city bounded on all sides by a road in your country?

Straßenblock. Let me put it differently: We don’t have grids and nothing is regular. This is about as grid-y as it gets and if you zoom in you’ll notice that the interior streets have no lane markers and some even are cobbled. Those connect to a street ( south, Hallerstraße) with bike lanes (don’t need those on smaller streets because there’s not enough traffic to warrant them), which connects to a four-lane (plus bus lane) street, Grindelalle, west. The intersection looks a bit crazy but it’s actually safe for pedestrians and you should’ve learned how to cross streets safely and what traffic lights are in Kindergarten. You’ve also been there with your parents (going shopping or whatever) a lot of times, nothing scary really. That kind of density and housing is probably illegal to build where you are (it’s illegal pretty much everywhere in the US and Canada).

And mind you Hamburg is awful when it comes to urbanism, way too car-centric. Not because of lack of public transport but because politicians are unwilling to kill off car traffic and the whole city is full of rich fucks with too much disposable income.

Blue_Morpho ,

Why can’t kids walk 500m to the next bus stop? Why are streets so unsafe so that kids can’t cross them?

I suggested banning cars.

“We don’t have blocks”

Straßenblock

THAT TRANSLATES TO STREET BLOCK!

A block in the US doesn’t mean a square either.

I already suggested, “Just ban cars. Easy.”

It is required that children do not cross two lane roads to be picked up by school buses. I don’t make the rules. I don’t have a solution to US car culture. But making roads unpassable by school buses isn’t an answer.

barsoap ,

A block in the US doesn’t mean a square either.

Yes, great, blame a non native speaker for expressing himself incorrectly, correcting himself, and then quadruple down on it. I was thinking of unprioritised NY-style blocks you see all over the place in US cities, gridlock magnets. You know, places where people say “down the block” and generally measure distances in blocks.

It is required that children do not cross two lane roads to be picked up by school buses. I don’t make the rules. I don’t have a solution to US car culture. But making roads unpassable by school buses isn’t an answer.

If you look back at that Hamburg link, at those streets internal to the superblock, you’ll notice that they are wide enough for buses to go through. There’s no regular bus lines through there (there’s two metro stations and plenty of bus stops surrounding it) but a school bus isn’t regular service, it doesn’t need to play by the same rules. You can make a pickup at one of those very spacious intersections. It’s not being done because there’s schools in walking distance and German kids can cross roads but it could be done. Would you, however, ever speed on those roads.

Blue_Morpho ,

The op picture is a rural US school. Bringing up how things are done in the city center of Hamburg is rather irrelevant. New York City children take the subway to school.

I already said I don’t have a solution to US car culture. I only took issue with the ridiculous idea that the roads in front of rural US schools could be made safer by making them impassable by busses.

barsoap , (edited )

Things aren’t done differently, in principle, in villages. You were the one brining up blocks or did you mean “buildings surrounded by roads and fields”.

This is Wacken (the Wacken), I zoomed you in on the primary school. There’s surrounding villages without school so it’s bound to get bus traffic. Note how it’s on a street that’s wide enough for that, but not the main road, the one with all the through-traffic. Can you understand that principle. (Main Roads, actually, Wacken has two, Schenefelder and Hauptstraße).

I only took issue with the ridiculous idea that the roads in front of rural US schools could be made safer by making them impassable by busses.

Noone ever said that? At least I didn’t.

Blue_Morpho , (edited )

I brought up blocks because the poster attempted to reframe the argument from a rural US school into a city center where one way streets are possible. I pointed out that this wasn’t applicable. It was not an inner city with blocks. One way streets are not a possible solution for this rural US school.

Wide enough for one pickup and no opposing traffic, but so narrow that two pickups are going to really have to negotiate to move around each other."

When you replied to me, this is what you were replying to.

That quote was the only point I am trying to address. I stated that a road that did not allow two small pickup trucks to pass would not be wide enough for two school busses to pass each other.

That’s it.

barsoap ,

Why can’t you have one-way streets in a rural area? Fork off the main street on one end, merge on the other. Pedestrian and bicycle traffic can be bidirectional, cars can take a little detour they don’t use muscle energy.

Wide enough for one pickup and no opposing traffic, but so narrow that two pickups are going to really have to negotiate to move around each other."

How does that translate to "block the street for buses? If a street fits two pickups it fits two buses. They’ll have to negotiate to move around each other so if you have many (which, as I told you a lot, you shouldn’t) you should consider a one-way road, or maybe a meeting bay, or a wider street with choke points, or whatever. But it’s not “blocking the road for buses”.

Blue_Morpho ,

Why can’t you have one-way streets in a rural area?

Cost. That separate road means buying land from someone and turning it into road. Do they have one way roads for rural schools in Germany? Because I looked at a few Grundschule in Bavaria on Google maps and didn’t see any.

How does that translate to "block the street for buses? If a street fits two pickups it fits two buses.

He said small pickup truck such that two small pickup trucks could not pass without needing to maneuver.

A bus is .5 meters wider than a pickup truck.

It is cheaper and more convenient to have a speed camera that is active only during school hours.

barsoap ,

Cost. That separate road means buying land from someone and turning it into road. Do they have one way roads for rural schools in Germany? Because I looked at a few Grundschule in Bavaria on Google maps and didn’t see any.

You’ll have a hard time finding a village with literally one single road. Certainly not one 1-2k which is the size that gets the school for the surrounding ones.

It is cheaper and more convenient to have a speed camera that is active only during school hours.

And also completely ineffective at preventing anything.Heck at least use road bumps. Narrow the road only in spots so that two monster trucks if you please fit on comfortably side by side for 50-100m or such, but then it narrows down to half that for just 5m. While you’re at it build a crossing there, narrowing the roads at pedestrian crossing is standard practice in many places and it makes a hell a lot of sense. Yes, that slows down traffic because you might have to negotiate with oncoming traffic who goes first. Yes, that’s precisely the point.

Blue_Morpho ,

First hits from list on Google

Alois-Kober-Grundschule

Grundschule Niederstotzingen

Grundschule Pfaffenhofen

Grundschule Lichtenau

Grund- und Mittelschule Wittislingen

Seyfried-Schweppermann-Schule Kastl, Klosterburg 6, 92280 Kastl, Germany

All located off a main road in the same style as US schools. Just like US schools, many have their own driveway that goes off the main road to the front of the school. (In the US this school driveway is one way.) It’s the main road that has the speed camera for US schools. It is the main road that the original poster I replied to suggested making impassable to two way bus traffic.

barsoap ,

Grundschule Niederstotzingen

That’s not on a main road. Zoom out a bit, the main roads are the ones leading to other villages, named after those villages (or in the case of Ulm a city in that direction).

Grundschule Pfaffenhofen

neither

Didn’t check the rest

Just like US schools, many have their own driveway that goes off the main road

Those are residential roads. This a view of the Niederstotzingen school from the road it’s on, the gymnasium is on the other side. Look up and down the road, there’s residential buildings there. Looking at the signage (or rather lack thereof), it’s two-way. No lane markings though small roads just don’t have them, you slow down and make sure to not shear off your side mirrors with the side mirrors of oncoming traffic. The little shack with a sign with an H is a bus stop. Only seems to be served by one bus line (at least I can’t find more), here’s the schelude. It connects to two train stations (including thie Niederstotzingen one) roughly every 30 minutes. Frankly speaking you can walk from there you’ll be faster than waiting for the next bus.

Niederstotzingen is classed as a city btw, almost 5k inhabitants. It’s not really a size thing in Germany though and nowadays the title doesn’t have any legal meaning, city rights were granted by Kaiser Sigismund in 1430, meaning it served as the local trade hub or such. Congratulations, thanks to wikipedia I know now more about a tiny city I don’t care about in a state I don’t care for :)

Blue_Morpho ,

Is Bergstrabe one way? Does it connect to more than just the school? That’s a main road. Does it have speed bumps? It is not a highway which was mentioned in the first reply when someone asked if US schools are on a highway.

There are residential houses on the same road as American rural schools. Look at the map of Comer elementary which is what this entire thread is about.

barsoap ,

That’s a main road.

No it isn’t:

a large road that goes from one town to another:

And yes you also see residential buildings on main roads. The reason this is a residential and not main road is due to its size and position away from through-traffic. It’s a road where you have a quick look and then just cross, main roads are of the “eh I can look but I probably need to get to a crossing to get across” territory.

And no there’s no speed bumps why would there if the road is narrow enough and people naturally drive slow enough, there’s no through traffic, the residents don’t race on it, etc.

Blue_Morpho ,

If you want to use the definition of a main road being one that goes directly from one town to another that’s fine. In the US that’s called a highway.

No matter what you call it, the larger road that goes near a school is the same in Germany and the US. Both have two way traffic.

And no there’s no speed bumps why would there if the road is narrow enough and people naturally drive slow enough, there’s no through traffic, the residents don’t race on it, etc.

Given that it is residential that connects to two other roads, it has through traffic. It would need to be a dead end to not have through traffic. The road isn’t so narrow that busses can’t pass each other. It’s why I linked one school that has a labeled public bus stop.

afraid_of_zombies ,

No, not here.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

They used to be. Now everyone drives their kids to school for reasons.

Emerald ,

The urban planning in many cities is so absurd and not meant for buses. This means school bus routes are absolute madness and can take hours to get everyone home

afraid_of_zombies ,

Wrong. Making winding roads slows down traffic but increases the amount of time it takes to cover a given distance. Which leads to less people walking and cycling plus more local air pollution. You want nice grids. People walk in NYC they don’t walk in burbs. This is what city planners refuse to grasp. You don’t make driving more difficult, you make alternatives easier.

Iron_Lynx ,

I agree with that last point, but the rest ignores the fact that this refers especially, specifically to school zones, where, as stated previously, fast traffic is a bloodbath about to happen.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Define school zone. Like real school zone or town that zoned everything a school zone so they could get rid of sex offenders?

Iron_Lynx ,

We’re talking the area just around a school where it’s safe to assume there are likely to be a lot of children outside of vehicles.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Might be less children around exiting vehicles if road wasn’t designed for one fucking vehicle at a time made out bricks because some moron hired a city planner. Why don’t you just post snipers and shot ambulance drivers?

wesley ,

The road can have unnecessary curves that the sidewalks and bike lanes do not.

There are other ways to slow vehicles as well such as chicanes that narrow the street at certain points such that only 1 vehicle can pass fit through it at once, raised crosswalks, etc. There are a lot of ways to design the street to force drivers to slow down and pay attention.

Unfortunately, if drivers have room to speed then it comes at the expense of the well being and safety of everyone else (even other drivers).

I agree that winding culdesacs suck btw, but a street grid doesn’t solve the problem if safety in front of a school. If designed poorly it can make it worse since long straight streets can easily be turned into drag strips of speeding vehicles. Street grids are fine and good, but they should not allow drivers to go faster than is compatible with a pleasant and safe environment for people outside of the vehicles.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I want to see a road that curves with a bike lane that doesn’t that isn’t so bizarre that no one would ever use it.

wesley ,

Hard to find exactly that with a Google search but here’s an example of roughly what I was talking about

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Not hard to imagine doing the same but with bike lanes and sidewalks

afraid_of_zombies ,

A. That isn’t what you were talking about about

B. You can’t find it because it doesn’t exist

C. Congrats, this shit road is going to delay emergency responses and will cause accidents when there is even a slight amount of ice

People are going to die because of abominations like this, not like you care.

psud ,

The pedestrians and cyclists get good straight paths. The curves on the road are made by consuming its excess width

afraid_of_zombies ,

Cool show me an example of your fictional city. I want to see one that is a grid for cyclists+people and a burb for cars.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Making winding roads slows down traffic but increases the amount of time it takes to cover a given distance

You don’t do this everywhere. You do it where you want traffic speeds to be low. Residential streets, school zones, shopping precincts, and the like.

Plus, you further aid pedestrians and cyclists by having these residential streets not be through-traffic, except to pedestrians and cyclists. Use “modal filters”.

damnyouclouds ,

Firetrucks? Ambulance?

barsoap ,

Not an issue in Europe. Though granted the US would probably need to replace their fire trucks with sanely-sized ones. You also don’t need to haul a big-ass ladder in a low-density area what’s your plan use it to do a header into a suburban pool.

Regarding response time absence of gridlock will be more important than the last hundred metres on a residential street, consider investing in public transportation, walkable cities, and generally everything that abolishes owning and using a car being mandatory.

psud ,

My city has exactly one road designed like this. Fire trucks have no problem

afraid_of_zombies ,

I really want to see these cities. They have a dedicated grid of streets for cyclists, a different grid for fire trucks, a different grid for pedestrians, and a Kafkaesque nightmare of curves for cars. Cars that presumably often break down and the drivers are found later fleshless with teeth marks on their bones. Somehow 4 seperate roadway structures are imposed on a single city.

psud ,

I wish my suburb’s streets were rebuilt to pedestrian/cyclist friendly style. It would be easy as every street has very easy access to the 80km/h square of main roads that surround it

You could block every street in the suburb in its middle and force all drivers to take the shortest path to a fast road, and let bikes and walkers take the short paths within the suburbs.

My street has about 2000 cars a day, with over 90% of them using it as a short path between two fast roads, or accessing or leaving a destination in a different part of the same suburb.

A friend lives in a suburb that’s a tree structure, that’s about a third best as there are no destinations from the “trunk” roads to anything but destinations within the suburbs. I’d hate to see that suburb needing to be evacuated quickly, but they’re deep in suburbia and on a hill, so safe from fire and flood

afraid_of_zombies ,

I wish mine was as well. Just a nice straightforward grid. Minimize the time it takes to get anywhere by any means. Makes navigation easier as well.

zakobjoa ,
@zakobjoa@lemmy.world avatar

Hey, I live on a road like that. It’s not even bricks, but good ol’ cobblestone. The cars also share it with a tram.

There’s a lot of pedestrians crossing. It’s a residential area with shops in the ground floor of all the buildings.

There’s multiple schools and kindergartens around, so they set the speed limit to 30km/h. Does that matter? No. People go 50-60 during the day and 70-80 at night. The only times that doesn’t happen is when the cops set up a mobile speed camera.

The road is fairly straight, I’ll give you that, but I guess they can’t just demolish a few kilometres of 100yrs old houses to make to road a bit winding.

Iron_Lynx , (edited )

I mean, if the road street takes up only part of the width of the right of way, you can do a lot with blocking off half the road street and alternating which side every few dozen metres. No demolition required.

Upon closer inspection, what you just described is a street, not a road.

Also, even with a narrower street, with strategically placed obstacles, you can convince drivers to zig-zag and reduce their speed that way.

zakobjoa ,
@zakobjoa@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t know there was a difference, I’ve been using them synonymously.

With the proposed changes traffic would have to wait constantly to let the other side pass. You would not only limit speed, but als throughput. If you just go slower because of speed cameras, the amount of traffic can stay the same.

There’s a lot of cars and lorries going through here. Sometimes a road/street that has a lot of traffic just goes through a fairly residential area and we kind of have to live with the fact.

And if you think that’s bad city planning call the eighteen hundreds and complain to these people.

Iron_Lynx ,

There’s a difference. A road is meant to be a fast connection between points at the ends. This calls for forgiving design and higher speeds.
Meanwhile, a street is meant to be for allowing access to the nearby land. That warrants lower speeds, and the expectation that anyone can be on any of the sides as they see necessary. A street should function less like a vehicle artery, and more like an outdoor room.

Notice that these are incompatible uses. North American traffic engineers clearly didn’t, allowing main streets to become the main thoroughfare, i.e. the main roads through an area as well. This produces the most dangerous type of transportation infrastructure: the stroad. Which is both meant to be a fast connection AND access to the nearby land, and in doing so fails at both.

If this stretch of car infrastructure you were discussing is supposed to be a street, vehicle throughput should probably be one of the last priorities, and vehicles are better off on a road a few blocks over.

barsoap ,
Iron_Lynx ,
Kecessa ,

“Take this road that’s in good condition and spend public money rebuilding it over months instead of installing a camera today to push drivers to be responsible.”

Iron_Lynx ,

Essentially, yes.

Besides, speed cameras, especially in NA, enforce by punishment. Punishment that some people are unable to afford, because for some reason they coddle billionaires while letting a fifth of their citizens rot in the gutter.

Meanwhile, a traffic calmed school zone enforces proactively. Are you sure you’d like to risk scratching your brand new $50k truck’s pristine paintjob? A properly traffic calmed street will force drivers to face that question, and in many cases, they’ll answer the question with “no”, and slow down. Mission accomplished.

Kecessa ,

Punishment that your don’t need to pay if your just respect the legal speed. We’re not talking about someone stealing food because they can’t afford to eat, we’re talking about someone driving a car and being unable to get their foot off the gas pedal for a bit. Your reaction to that is “People shouldn’t take their responsibility to respect the law, it’s the state that should spend money to make it so they don’t want to drive like morons!” while ignoring the fact that speed cameras are proven to be effective at keeping people under the sites limit and cost way less than just rebuilding roads. Add to that the fact that your solution means years or even decades of people driving too fast for safety while roads are getting rebuilt based on their speed limit and there’s nothing to enforce the speed limit in the meantime because “speed cameras aren’t the solution”.

If you’re unable to slow down just because the road is wide enough that you feel safe driving fast then you’ve got no business owning a car.

Iron_Lynx ,

Counterpoint:

How often do you think most people watch their speed gauges?
You and I might do so regularly, but you sure as hell cannot say that for sure about every other person on the road.

Furthermore, how obvious is the speed limit?
I can tell you with certainty that, outside of a few, mostly European, places, this may be unclear. North American traffic engineers happily design roads with speed limits anywhere between 40 and 80 km/h, with no changes to the cross-sectional geometry of the (st-) road.

Systemic speeding because of misguided road design is more common than you’d like to admit. And a few cameras probably only do so much to fix that.

Kecessa ,

The speed limit needs to be indicated in order to be valid so that’s a completely ridiculous point you’re trying to make.

If people don’t pay attention to their driving they need to be penalized for it because no matter the road design, they’ll commit infractions and no matter the road design, speed limits need to be enforced otherwise they become suggestions.

See another of my comments with sources proving that speed cameras do reduce speeding by a wide margin, proving that drivers pay enough attention to their speed that when they fear they might be penalized for speeding, they slow down.

Iron_Lynx ,

And putting up signs and cameras literally only does so much to convince people to slow down on wide, straight roads. How likely is the average driver in your area to speed? I can assure you, half of the road users are worse than that.

If we’re going to start pointing to other discussions, make it as easy to find your point as you can. Case in point, what I’m talking about.

Kecessa , (edited )

“How likely is it that drivers are speeding?”

Much more likely if there’s nothing to punish them for doing so.

sh.itjust.works/comment/7705481

Not Just Bikes isn’t the fucking second coming off Christ, you need to push your reflection a bit farther than his message.

You never replied to the “Ok, but what about between now and when all the roads have been redesigned?” part, weird right? That’s decades and trillions of dollars you’re saying we should spend to reach a solution, so, what happens in the meantime?

What’s your REALISTIC solution that works NOW and can be QUICKLY applied EVERYWHERE?

Iron_Lynx ,

And “realistic solutioins that work now and can be quickly applied everywhere” are far too easily quick fixes. And nothing is as permanent as a quick fix.

Besides, at least one of your sources is a Canadian car journalist, someone who’s probably personally invested in sucking GM’s metaphorical dick.
And let’s also face it, Canada, a country where a city of half a million people was “too small for a rapid transit network,” while cities a third its size have about as much, if not more, absolute track mileage and ridership on their tram network than Toronto.

Who’s the biased one here, mister pot, accusing the kettle he’s black?

Kecessa ,

You still don’t present any solutions and you dismiss sources based on your personal bias against car journalists and a country without presenting any actual evidences that’s they’re wrong (because you won’t find any).

www.sciencedirect.com/…/S2090447923000436

Again. We live in the here and now, what’s your solution to speeding drivers that can be applied to save lives NOW while roads are getting redesigned?

Iron_Lynx , (edited )

Two words: Jersey barriers.

You can at least create the chicanes by putting up concrete barriers. Just as simple as a moveable speed trap, achieves much of the traffic calming effect, no extra police resources needed.

EDIT: In fact, now I think about it, using planters will have most of the same effect, while looking prettier.

Kecessa ,

Damn, you finally did it, you proved that you’re actually able to come up with a solution instead of just acting like it’s either 100% or nothing, bravo!

Speed cameras would still be required to catch people still speeding through them though.

Iron_Lynx ,

Oh, they’ll be caught soon enough at the mechanics with dented bumpers.

milkytoast ,
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sir this is a shitpost

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yeah, but how many people are seeing this post thinking “obviously it’s a shitpost, but also based?”

I for one was until someone said it was a school zone

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