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Simon , (edited ) to piracy in This community got removed from lemmy.world (again)

If any admins of lemmy.world are around, I created !westcoastedm for the explicit reason of sharing copyright protected music. Can you ban it too? Wouldn’t want to get you guys in trouble with mommy and daddy.

CommunityLinkFixer Bot ,

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idiomaddict , to asklemmy in Is "female" offensive?

It’s potentially offensive when people say men and females, which is often why it comes up online. Using either male or female as a noun is dehumanizing, in that it’s not commonly used to refer to people, but mostly animals (law enforcement and military use them as nouns, but they’re also intentionally distancing themselves from the people in reports).

Basically, “women” feels weird for a lot of English speakers, but “girls” sounds creepy, so they try for something else. Just go with women, 99% of the time, it’s perfectly fine

r00ty Admin ,
r00ty avatar

It's mostly this, I would say. But in general there's a valid context to use male/female and another valid context to use man/woman or girl/boy or lady/gentleman.

Most people are not going to hold someone speaking English as a second language to task over it. But if you're speaking natively, there's no real excuse not to know when it is right to use the correct term.

But that's just my own opinion.

Sibbo ,

Just say ladies. That’s polite.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

While generally true, there are some people from older generations that associate ladies with prostitution as in ‘ladies of the night’ and find it offensive.

Yes, I have known quite a few and they are in their 60s to 80s right now.

idiomaddict , (edited )

I’m torn here. It’s a good way for me to talk about my peers (early thirties) in the third person, but it doesn’t quite fit for second person for me. (Edit: ”guy” is also not great for second person, now that I think about it, so maybe it’s more equivalent than I realized. Though for plural third person, it still isn’t 1:1, imo. “Two guys in my class” has a different connotation from “two ladies in my class,” but I can’t put my finger on why.)

“Ladies” feels formal/salesy (if someone addresses a group of women I’m in as “ladies,” it feels like they’re either a server for our group dinner or trying to quickly build rapport) to me, whereas “lady” can often feel straight up rude ( “hey, lady!” sounds like Bart Simpson said it vs. “hey, ladies!” which could mean so many different things depending on the context, but seems less annoyed at least).

homoludens ,

“women” feels weird for a lot of English speakers

Why does it feel weird? (not a native speaker here)

Lath ,

woman reads as "wo-man"
women reads as "we-men"

English is weird. I blame the British.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

While we’re at it, loose and lose. Somehow taking away an o makes the vowel sound longer and makes the consonant voiced?

Lath ,

Contextual irregularities.

There's a loss connection in there that ties into it.

Very mish-mash sort of stuff, eh?

idiomaddict ,

Because there’s no good equivalent to “guys” for women, and women often feels too old/formal. If I’m talking about a group of 19 year olds, then they are women and men (and there’s no good word for NB adults, other than “adults,” that I can think of, either), but 19 year olds still feel younger than women and men. “Guy” is any age and denotes a peer or relaxed relationship, but “woman” and “man” don’t have those connotations. I would talk about the man who works at the bank and the guy who works at the coffee shop, as an indicator of familiarity, if that helps. If you speak a language with a formal you and an informal you, it feels like a similar distinction to me, though those are also all different.

“Guys” can refer to groups of women, and I definitely call my sisters guys, but if you talk about “a guy,” it isn’t gender neutral where I’m from.

“Lady” singular denotes age, but not formality, though the formality difference between “lady” and “ladies” is hard (I could absolutely see someone saying “some lady was an absolute asshole at the gas station today,” but “two ladies were absolute assholes at the gas station,” is weird).

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Gals is the term that matches guys, but it seems like it fell out of favor when women was promoted as a response to the use of girls in a negative way to describe women (adults) in an infantilizing way. Like it was common to say men’s sports and girls sports in the same way that incels use men and females.

FYI: Ladies goes with lords, as in lords and ladies.

idiomaddict ,

I know gal is considered an equivalent, but the only people I’ve ever known to use it were Girl Scout leaders and square dance callers, so it doesn’t feel at all equivalent to me. I don’t know if this is widespread and/or why the word never gained as much traction as “guy,” but I definitely don’t enjoy being called a gal. It feels infantilizing and othering to me, like when people say “and dudettes!”

Interestingly, gal comes from “girl,” whereas guy comes from guy fawkes. I would have made a very unwise bet that “guy” was older.

snooggums ,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Terms for the sexes/genders are treated differently. In the US, the only term I can think of that has been used derogatively for men is ‘boy’, and only in the context of racism for disparaging adult men who are black.

On the other side, most of the terms have been used negatively in different contexts. Women were often called girls to infantilize them. Gals was used to avoid formality. ‘Ladies of the night’ spoiled the term ladies because of the association with prostitution.

On the flip side a boys club isn’t disparagingly to infantilize men, as shown in the song ‘The boys are back in town’. A girls night out is generally not seen as a negative, but calling women’s sports in college girl’s sports is while men’s sports tend to just be called sports.

So while there are exceptions, other terms for men terms tend to not be used negatively like other terms for women do and that is why women’s terms tend to fall out of favor over time while men’s stick around.

magnetosphere ,
@magnetosphere@fedia.io avatar

This is why I love the word “y’all”

homoludens ,

Thanks!

Wanderer ,

This just seems women are more touchy about this stuff then men.

Someone called me out on reddit for using the word girls for women and it was sexist because it is infantising, and it was stupid because they were making out I don’t call men boys. When I absoultely do, in fact I do it more than the alternative. Really the only way I was sexist on that is that I don’t do it as much as I do with men so if anything I should do it more.

But you can’t win, someone’s always going to be offended

dandroid ,

What about when specifying the gender of your friend? “My woman friend” sounds really weird to me. I usually say, “my female friend” because it sounds more natural, but I don’t want to sound like an incel/misogynist.

For what it’s worth, I say “my male friend” as well.

idiomaddict ,

Nonono, it’s always okay to use it as an adjective, so that’s fine!

Lysergid ,

As a non-native speaker I find woman more offensive than female. Noun male/female puts all as equal. Girls, boys, birds, ponies. Woman, though, seems to be de-attached. Especially when talking about humankind it’s common to refer to humans as just „man”. „No man been there”, „for all mankind”, „dog is a man’s best friend”. As it applies to man only and woman doesn’t count

ImplyingImplications , (edited ) to showerthoughts in If frozen embryos are considered as children, then it must be acceptable to freeze children.

The Alabama ruling was specifically for one case. However, they made a very general ruling which could be used to argue all kinds of things that make no sense. The court even acknowledged this but said something along the lines of “it is not this courts duty to determine other cases”. Essentially “The clinic is being sued for wrongful death of a child and they argued this law doesnt apply to frozen embryos. We have decided it does and the case can move forward. We acknowledge this sets a terrible precedent but we don’t care. Also here are some Bible quotes because the Supreme Court of Alabama uses the Bible for legal arguments and somehow this isn’t religious law”

over_clox OP ,

I’m still trying to process your words.

Don’t get me wrong, all your words make sense grammaticaly, but the state of the world makes absolutely no sense.

Silentiea ,

If it’s any slight consolation whatsoever, the Bible quotes being used as evidence was just from the concurring opinion (that came to the same conclusions for other reasons from the majority), written by the chief justice of that court.

over_clox OP ,

Alright, gotcha. They also didn’t have freezers when the Bible was written. So, care to re-evaluate your comment?

Silentiea ,

I mean, I don’t begin to understand it, and it terrifies me. But at least it’s far away from me for now.

over_clox OP ,

I still gave you my upvote anyways. Even if our opinions differ, or maybe it’s just that confusing or controversial subject, I thank you for taking time to read my post and comment. 👍

Silentiea ,

Unless you think the recent decision was very based, I don’t think our opinions are all that different.

over_clox OP ,

Nah we cool yo, more or less same page I think.

Boinkage ,

That poster is agreeing with you that the court’s decision was bad and dumb.

ImplyingImplications ,

It doesn’t make much sense.

When a high court makes a decision, all the lower courts need to follow it. If a high court says anyone on trial for murder must be tried as an adult, then all the lower courts need to follow that rule. It is incredibly rare for a high court to make such a broad rule though. Usually their rulings are much more precise. Like: on trial for murder, over the age of 15 and shows at least 4 of the following 12 signs of maturity: has a job, has a driver’s licence, etc…

This was a case where their ruling was incredibly broad and had no conditions. They literally said “we are adding ‘frozen embryo’ to the legal definition of ‘child’” and just left it at that. This means all courts in Alabama must consider frozen embryos to be children when ruling on cases, which of course has a lot of practical problems.

Already people have pointed out that in vitro fertilization has effectively been banned. All IVF clinics in Alabama are currently closed. Republican law makers cheered this until it was pointed out that IVF clinics create babies. They aren’t abortion clinics. Now they’re scrambling to re-legalize IVF in Alabama. So yeah, all the old men in Alabama have zero clue about what they’re doing. They just like ensuring everything is considered a child because that’s what Jesus wants.

ikidd , to piracy in Help with wheelchair software
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

This brings a new definition to the term “crippleware”.

Boomkop3 , to technology in Facebook and Instagram are currently down.

And nothing of value was lost

NutWrench , to technology in Roku TV bricked until agreeing to new terms of service
@NutWrench@lemmy.world avatar

One of the reasons so-called “smart” TVs are so much cheaper is because they are data-mining you.

atrielienz , (edited )

Only if you connect them to the Internet. I’ve got an LG TV and I have never connected it to a network. But yeah, most of the Roku style TV’s are like that from what I can tell. They offer streaming services natively to entice people to connect them. TBH Samsung has been doing this for like decades.

XTornado ,

Until they add their own mobile data connection so it transfers their analytics.

slumberlust ,

No need, just broadcast a local wifi signal and piggy back on your neighbors tv connection!

Rolive ,

Time to break out the soldering station.

Patches ,

Where can I buy a non smart TV? I don’t see any available for purchase.

Also weird that you think they are cheaper when that doesn’t work for anything else. Phones certainly don’t get cheaper. It’s just extra profit.

Kethal ,

Computer monitors seem like one of the few options at this point.

Patches ,

They do not have CEC though so you will need to get up to turn them on, and off, and change input. They also will cost significantly more. Good luck getting above a 40in monitor

HerbalGamer ,
@HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar
Spiralvortexisalie ,

While your recommendation satisfied some of the requirements, here is my counter point to arguably the biggest factor to many consumers (figures may vary by region): Regularly priced 2024/3/3 $298 65 in Roku TV from Walmart USA while your recommendation has a 1395 USD MSRP, and actual sale price of $2200 (used at that) on Amazon as linked.

bostonbananarama ,

I especially liked that the Check on Amazon button for a $1,400 New 65" monitor links to a Used 27" monitor for $2,200.

RamblingPanda ,

Buy a smart one and never connect it to the internet.

Mic_Check_One_Two ,

Just never connect it to the internet, or (even better) set up a PiHole and block the TV’s telemetry requests. I say the PiHole is better because then you still get all of the benefits of a smart TV (like native streaming apps) without all of the horribly invasive data mining.

If you want the benefits of a smart TV without connecting it to the internet, then maybe a connected PC would be a better solution. Something like an Nvidia shield connected to the TV, while the TV remains offline. That way you can maintain control over the computer, instead of trying to control what the TV collects and sends.

spaghettiwestern , (edited )

After reading about Pi-holes for a long time Roku finally pissed me off enough to set one up. The company has been adding advertisements to their menus for years but a few months ago they added a whole new row of ads to their home menu. Of course they can’t be disabled. Enough was enough.

I set up Pi-hole on an existing Pi, monitored Roku traffic for a couple of days and blocked every single ad or “suggestion” they generate. Now the TV displays blanks instead of constant barrage of ads that Roku’s menu has become. Worth the trouble.

Their decision to become an advertising platform instead of the streaming platform I purchased has been good reason to never subscribe to a streaming channel through Roku again. The company won’t get a single dollar of revenue from me if I can help it. Yes, I know 3rd parties do pay Roku subscription fees, but I can’t do anything about those. I also have repeatedly recommended Roku devices for years, but I now tell people to avoid the advertising company. Fuck em.

aesthelete ,

The company won’t get a single dollar of revenue from me if I can help it.

I’m in the same camp as you after this Roku TV bricking stuff. I was able to work around it by disconnecting it and banning it from my network and then factory resetting the TV and not configuring network…but I’m done with Roku.

I’ll buy an Apple TV rather than a Roku Ultra if I have to…and I hate Apple.

spaghettiwestern ,

I’m considering connecting up computers to my TVs and just streaming everything from a browser. It will be a little less convenient without a remote (at least initially), but way less annoying.

aesthelete , (edited )

I used to do this before streaming services and it was not bad at all. At the time there was only one type of mini keyboard plus touchpad available, now there are a lot more options in that category.

It’s a little less convenient, but like you can also do things you can’t with no streaming box such as pirate live streams of channels from across the country for free.

Edit: you can also get usb-cec devices to make it so it switches inputs for you.

Rodeo ,

Dumb TVs are called “digital signage” now.

trackindakraken ,

This is it. They’re a bit more expensive, but no BS, and they’re made to run 24/7, so maybe a little more durable, too.

theangryseal ,

I have a 4K Sceptre tv that doesn’t connect to the internet.

I mean, it’s cheap af and might not be for everyone. It works for me.

aesthelete ,

There really is no choice, you basically have to buy a smart TV.

However, even the Roku Smart TVs can be configured as plain old TVs. If you go through the initial setup wizard and just don’t give it a network…you’ll get a regular TV out of it.

I know that there are certain models out there that supposedly reach into your neighbor’s wifi and stuff, and who knows, but that seems a little extreme…at least most TVs nowadays can be rendered non-networked and then you can use them the other way.

vodkasolution , to technology in Roku TV bricked until agreeing to new terms of service

I suppose you’re in the US so I don’t know if my answer fits but if the terms are against the law they are simply void: as in if you have a reason for a class action, no terms or contract can take it away from you

orclev ,

Most likely the terms say that you agree to go through individual binding arbitration rather than a lawsuit which the courts have found to be legal and enforceable. It’s really shitty and has become corporations favorite weapon to use against people, particularly because the arbitration companies are usually fairly friendly towards whatever corporation is being challenged. Contractually mandated arbitration really needs to be invalidated. Arbitration is a fine alternative if both parties want to go that route but it should never be forced on someone, particularly because of some bullshit EULA.

CheeseNoodle ,

afaik even those terms would be unenforcable if you can only see the TOS after buying the product, which would be the case here.

jkrtn ,

I don’t think so. I think in that case you would have to decline the terms and not use the thing. You would be entitled to compensation for the cost of whatever it was, like you can return it to the manufacturer or vendor somehow.

vodkasolution ,

I’m really glad to live in the EU

You999 ,

No OP is mostly correct, you cannot enforce the terms of a contract that a side of the party cannot see until after the transaction was completed making arbitration clauses hidden inside products invalid. (Norcia v. Samsung Telecomms. Am., LLC)

However you are also somewhat correct as you are under no obligation to agree to the updated terms and conditions and will be govern by the originally concented contract until you do (Douglas v. Talk America). The company is allowed to stop providing their services to you however you might be entitled to your original purchase price depending on what the original terms and conditions said.

WetBeardHairs ,

OK how do I go about getting Roku to refund me for my TVs? That sounds like an excellent approach to take.

You999 ,

Contact their support and escalate up the food chain until you get to someone who is in the legal department. If that fails get a lawyer and sue.

gian ,

In EU they are unenforcable because they are illegal.

Mic_Check_One_Two ,

the arbitration companies are usually fairly friendly towards whatever corporation is being challenged being paid directly by the company they’re arbitrating for, and therefore have a direct financial incentive to rule in favor of the corporation.

FTFY. It’s way worse than just “being friendly” with corps. They’re on the corps’ payroll (indirectly, because the corp is paying for the arbitration,) and they know that if they continue to rule in the corps’ favor then the corp will continue calling them for future arbitration. There’s a tacit understanding between the arbiter and corporation, where if the arbiter favors the plaintiff then the arbiter won’t get called when the corporation goes to arbitration the next time.

The_Lurker ,

This is an adhesion contract (no counteroffer or ability to negotiate terms, and it was made unilaterally) and probably will not stand up to a challenge in court. Of course, someone would actually have to sue / afford to sue. law.cornell.edu/…/adhesion_contract_(contract_of_…

Krauerking ,

Right it’s unenforceable however it’s plenty enforceable to poor people who can’t afford the legal fees.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Also, if outside of America, you probably would have a strong case for getting a full refund on the product if they did this.

It’s not (to my knowledge) a type of case that’s been specifically tested in court, but I think you could make a strong case that under Australian law, being required to agree to a new TOS that wasn’t there when you first purchased the device and which you don’t agree with would qualify as a “major problem”. The description of a major problem includes:

  • is very different from the description or sample
  • can’t be used for its normal purpose, or another purpose the consumer told the seller about before they bought it, and can’t easily be fixed within a reasonable time.

And when there’s a major fault, you as the customer are entitled to a full refund or replacement “of the same type of product”.

Unfortunately, if you did this, it would be the shop that sold you it that takes the hit, because you have to go to them to get the refund, not the original manufacturer.

cyberfae ,
@cyberfae@lemmy.world avatar

Unfortunately, if you did this, it would be the shop that sold you it that takes the hit, because you have to go to them to get the refund, not the original manufacturer.

Couldn’t you just buy a new tv of a different brand from the same shop to offset the hit from the refund?

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

Yeah you could. Plus the store would probably try to reclaim the loss from the manufacturer.

Landmammals , to nostupidquestions in Why is it so hard to create atoms from other atoms?

Do I look like a fucking star?

caseyweederman ,
theodewere ,
@theodewere@kbin.social avatar

i thought that film with Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga was going to be about making lots of helium

evlogii ,

This comment was the most wholesome thing I saw all week. Even though it wasn’t aimed at me, I deeply appreciate it! ☺️

prashanthvsdvn ,

“Oshi no Ko”

odium , to showerthoughts in What if life is a roguelike game ?

Bro just reinvented reincarnation

hahattpro OP ,

Yo, there is already thing called reincarnation?

I remembered, it show up in anime a lot.

RampantParanoia2365 ,

If you remembered, why did you post this and not mention it?

hahattpro OP ,

Just remembered when you mentioned the word

odium ,

Anime? Also shows up as a core principle in some obscure little religions like Hinduism and Buddhism which only about a quarter of the world follow.

Rolder ,

Pretty sure OP is too baked to remember what religion is

echodot ,

Living the dream then.

stardust ,

Reincarnated as a microwave.

GardenVarietyAnxiety ,

I almost commented this, lol. But I like their take on it.

ReCursing , to asklemmy in What is something that gets a lot of hate for absolutely no reason?
@ReCursing@kbin.social avatar

Nickelback. I mean they're not good but they're not really bad either, just a complete nonevent. They don't deserve the hate they get, they don't really deserve anything

kurcatovium ,

Oh, boy, the most certainly deserve the hate. This article sums it up pretty well: grunge.com/…/nickelback-became-hated-band-music-i…

Susaga ,
@Susaga@ttrpg.network avatar

Holy fuck, that article is elitist. Half of the sections seem pointlessly mean, like they’re trying to dunk on them to win popularity points. One of them is just insulting Chad Kroeger for marrying Avril Lavigne, as if a 10+ year marriage is a bad thing. Some valid points buried in there, but the credibility is lost.

kurcatovium ,

Some valid points? Some? Well, yeah, there are some that probably could be omitted, but most stands strong.

Maybe I’m biased as I listen to more or less different genres, but there’s nothing wrong on hating on Nickelback.

Susaga , (edited )
@Susaga@ttrpg.network avatar

Why would you hate someone for making music you don’t enjoy? Why hate someone for making money with a successful product? Why not just… Ignore them? You are under no obligation to like them, but there’s only around three arguments in there to actually hate them. There are more arguments in that article that boil down to “it’s successful, so it sucks” than valid criticism.

0ops ,

It’s cool to hate

lazylion_ca ,

Being cool is so lame.

HobbitFoot ,

Liking something is just a waste of time.

0ops ,

Thanks I’m glad someone got it

kurcatovium ,

Don’t get me wrong, I do enjoy rock music (among others), but assholes like Nickelback are making terrible example of it. When someone asks me what I listen to and I reply “rock music” the person often reply along the lines of “ah, ok, like Nickelback?” And that’s just disgusting.

I don’t actively hate on them posting shit on the internet on my own or marching with antiNickelback sign in RL, but when someone asks or when discussion revolves around, I tell him I hate the band.

Being successful musician has nothing to do with it. People like Kanye or Taylor Swift made way more money with their (IMO shitty) music, but I don’t hate them as Nickelback. Because they (probably, or at least not that obviously) don’t ruin the genre they perform in.

Edit: Half of what I want to say is probably lost in translation as English is not my native language, so I can’t make all the nuances I would do in my language.

HobbitFoot ,

No, makes sense to me.

Susaga ,
@Susaga@ttrpg.network avatar

First, this was never about your opinion. It was about an article that complained about music being used in advertising, songs being popular, and people being inspired by a band. That was the opinion you cited as a good reason to hate them.

Second, how often does that actually happen? Considering it’s an internet meme to shit on them, how often do people cite Nickelback as their main example of rock ahead of, say, Nirvana?

Third, why is it disgusting that people mention a band you dislike? Can you not simply correct them and suggest the bands you ACTUALLY like? Does it have to be “hate” rather than “I’m not a fan”?

Fourth, how the hell did Nickelback ruin rock? Is rock so fragile that the Eagles can’t be enjoyed because of “How you remind me” existing? There are bands far worse than Nickelback, but they aren’t successful so you don’t care. If Nickelback weren’t as successful, you wouldn’t care about them either.

HobbitFoot ,

It is less “it’s successful, so it sucks” and more “I keep having to listen to something I don’t like, so now I hate it”.

Susaga ,
@Susaga@ttrpg.network avatar

…But you don’t have to listen to it. If it’s on the radio, change the station. The complaints in the article were WAY too in depth for a casual listener to make.

HobbitFoot ,

That assumes you have control of the radio station or whatever songs are being played. It isn’t like that for a lot of people.

Susaga ,
@Susaga@ttrpg.network avatar

Scenario 1: It’s your radio. Turn to a different station.
Scenario 2: It’s a friend’s radio. Ask them to turn to a different station.
Scenario 3: It’s a public radio. Just zone out for three minutes.

And on the subject of not getting to choose the songs, what station is choosing to play 20 year old songs by a band it’s a meme to hate?

HaywardT ,

Another thing that is hated for no reason. Age-gap relationships.

0ops ,

Yeah, most of the hate is because they were super overplayed for a solid decade. For years the popular radio stations in my area didn’t seem to play anything but Nickelback, green day, Lady Gaga, and pink. In a vacuum, they’re fine. “How you remind me” is pretty good imo. I don’t care for anything else from them. I’ve heard that their guitar player is actually really talented, but I haven’t listened to them enough to know myself

Susaga ,
@Susaga@ttrpg.network avatar

Ah, the common paradox. Nobody wants to listen to Nickelback because it’s overplayed, and nobody drives in New York because of all the traffic.

TruthAintEasy ,
@TruthAintEasy@kbin.social avatar

I dont want to listen to them because there is nearly infinite better music than the overproduced boring stuff. Some tunes are catchy, even seen them live once because my mom wanted company, but they are mid at best imo

AFC1886VCC ,

“All the right reasons” is a solid album by them. Nothing groundbreaking or unique in terms of sound but it’s an enjoyable listen.

VindictiveJudge ,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

Also a phrase that sums up their entire career. And that’s fine. They’re like the musical equivalent of comfort food.

alphacyberranger ,
@alphacyberranger@lemmy.world avatar

I second this. I love Nickelback. They are unique in their own way .

ReCursing ,
@ReCursing@kbin.social avatar

No, they're not. That was kind of my point

prole ,

I think they’re a relic from a time when it was ok/cool to hate on a band or artist for no reason, publicly, without everyone judging you for being a prick.

My theory is that they’re one of, if not the, last bands to fall into the above category, so everyone just uses them as their go-to.

Younger people (in this case meaning people under 35 lol) are just so much more accepting and less judgemental than previous generations. And you love to see it.

Socsa ,

The thing is, Nickelback didn’t invent post-grunge or radio grunge, but they were definitely face of it. That era saw a nearly endless stream of cookie cutter Pearl Jam wannabes pop up, and at the same time the entire independent radio industry, which had played a big role in birthing so many counterculture movements, was under threat of corporate consolidation when they were getting popular in the late 90s.

To many millennials, nothing else embodied this dark era for rock music like Nickelback. It was “we have Eddie Vedder at home” meme - shoved down our throats, carbon copied every few months, constantly reminding us that the alternative rock station we grew up with was purchased by Clearchannel and would be transitioned to Latin Beats by the end of the year.

So in that sense, Nickelback may not have killed grunge, but it happily set up shop on its grave, to forever pantomime and disrespect the alternative rock giants laying below. And for a lot of people, that was just too painful.

Confused_Emus , to linux in Encrypted hard drive asking for password every time

Kinda curious as to the point of drive encryption if you just want it to automatically unlock on boot.

flork OP , (edited )
@flork@lemy.lol avatar

Encryption makes it more difficult to copy data from the drive. Windows and MacOS can manage to encrypt drives without requiring two different passwords, I mistakenly assumed Linux could too.

kebabslob ,

How… How would they get the drive? Would n that need access to your computer? I imagine at that point they could turn it on first and copy your data that way, no?

PlexSheep ,
@PlexSheep@feddit.de avatar

Disk encryptions entire point is securing against physical access

umami_wasbi ,

No. With FDE, an adversary can’t just trun it on and copy data unless there are some 0day on the login that allows exectuing arbitrary codes.

zeluko ,

Or you use TPM, which you can get the key out of

Confused_Emus ,

But if you have it set to unlock automatically…? It’s not like the drive is going to know it’s you booting it vs someone else if you’re not having to enter the password.

Windows and Mac can indeed encrypt drives without two passwords - as long as you don’t set a drive encryption password to be entered at BIOS load before the OS loads, which is what you’ve done.

Markaos ,

The idea is to use TPM to store the keys - if you boot into a modified OS, TPM won’t give you the same key so automatic unlock will fail. And protection against somebody just booting the original system and copying data off it is provided by the system login screen.

Voilà, automatic drive decryption with fingerprint unlock to log into the OS. That’s what Windows does anyway.

Confused_Emus ,

I see. I don’t know that the usual drive encryption you set up during Linux install works with that, but there are BitLocker-like programs for Linux that might.

Confused_Emus ,

Although OPs scenario is if someone steals the tower, in which case it’s not a different TPM. Would only help if the drives were yanked, which honestly I’d probably do rather than try to take the whole tower.

Markaos ,

If you boot the computer into the currently installed OS, you will be presented with a login screen and will have to enter the correct password to log in (kernel parameters are part of the checksums, so booting into single-user mode won’t help you, that counts as a modified OS). If you boot a different OS, you won’t get the key off the TPM.

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  • Markaos ,

    Yes, but they are asking how to set up FDE in the same way it works on Windows, where automatic unlocking works using TPM. They just don’t know the technical details.

    flork OP ,
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    I don’t suppose you know of a tutorial to get this set up? Google turned up nothing.

    LeLachs , (edited )

    Might be pretty complicated. www.reddit.com/r/zfs/comments/dimtjv//Your best bet is probably to enable autologin and use the same password for the encryption

    flork OP ,
    @flork@lemy.lol avatar

    as long as you don’t set a drive encryption password to be entered at BIOS load before the OS loads, which is what you’ve done.

    MacOS does ask for a different password during setup, which you never have to use again unless you want to access the drive on a different PC.

    GlitzyArmrest ,
    @GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

    If you’re having it automatically unlock the drive at boot, it kind of defeats the purpose. If someone steals your tower, they can boot it and copy the unencrypted contents since it automatically unlocks.

    catloaf ,

    How would they be able to copy the unencrypted contents? They still can’t do anything without logging in.

    MrPoopyButthole ,
    @MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world avatar

    Bypassing login is not difficult on a lot of OS.

    Markaos ,

    Yeah, but a lot of those things will trip the TPM module, so you will get a different decryption key if you for example try to use the single kernel parameter to boot into a root shell. And different decryption key means no access to the data.

    MangoPenguin ,
    @MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    At least on Windows that requires booting the PC from some other media, and that wouldn’t work with the drive encrypted because you have no access to the files you need to modify.

    Is it similar with Linux, or do you mean you can actually bypass login from the OS that’s already booted up??

    Bitrot ,
    @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    It is similar in Linux. Vulnerabilities, bugs, or enough time will get through on any OS so people have to decide on their personal level of paranoia. A lot of people have very little idea how a TPM or sealing key material works.

    umami_wasbi ,

    By intercepting the key on hardware level

    Ptsf ,

    Perfect security doesn’t exist. If they’ve got the engineering capital required to design and manufacture key retrieval hardware, you lost the moment they gained physical access to your equipment.

    umami_wasbi , (edited )

    If he uses TPM. I’m not aginst OP using it but he needs to understand the drawbacks. At least I hope he will.

    catloaf ,

    If they have the capability to extract the key, they probably also have the computational resources to brute-force the passphrase. It’s not a meaningful difference.

    Ptsf ,

    Most brute-force attacks can be hardened against. Again there’s no perfect security, just better security.

    TDCN ,
    @TDCN@feddit.dk avatar

    I agree. Physical access to the device and its often game over.

    Sadly reading off the key is already trivial in some cases as showcased in this recent video by stacksmashing

    Since the key has to be sent to the cpu in plain text it can easily be sniffed. If however the TPM is integrated in the cpu its not so easy, but then the os can be manipulated or hacked after boot with known exploits.

    If you have a long and secure password for you encryption the absolute only way in is to brute force the key which is significantly harder if not impossible regardless of capital

    phx ,

    It depends on where the encryption data is stored. If the bootloader and bios/efi are locked down and the data to unlock is stored in an encrypted enclave or one is using a TPM (and not an external chip one that can be sniffed with a pi), that’s a reasonable protection for the OS even if somebody gains physical access.

    You could also store the password in the EFI, or on a USB stick etc. It doesn’t help you much against longer-term physical access but it can help if somebody just grabs the drive. It’s also useful to protect the drive if it’s being disposed of as the crypto is tied to other hardware.

    Even just encrypting the main OS with the keys in the boot/initrd has benefit, as ensuring that part is well-wiped makes asset disposal safe®. Some motherboards have an on-board SDCard or USB slot which your can use for the boot partition. It means I don’t have to take a drill to my drives before I dispose of them

    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble ,

    OP isn’t asking for it to decrypt automatically. OP is asking for the entering the decryption password to also log you in. That way you only have to type the password once, instead of twice.

    SomeBoyo ,

    GDM has an autologin feature, OP should use it.

    Pantherina ,

    I dont think you can. Can you read SSD storage while that is running? The drive needs to be decrypted using the TPM, and that should only work when its plugged in.

    Pantherina , to linux in which linux phone is the most promising?

    Tbh GrapheneOS.

    Android is Linux.

    And unlike desktop Linux it was able to spread secure and private standards

    • every app is sandboxed, not some opt-in like Flatpak
    • apps start with no permissions (or at least very little), everything is opt-in
    • it is like 99% unbreaking, immutable, it just always works while my desktop Linux broke all the time
    • there is a webview, which can be hardened. Not Electron, which is insecure and bloated
    • energy saving etc work like a charm. 1% battery loss over an entire night!
    • hardware security with trusted element is decades ahead of desktop Linux (Ubuntu is just now getting TPM encryption support)
    • it is a unified platform, with tons of apps, many of them essential (as the platform is so secure), like 2FA, Banking, public services etc. you can have a full FOSS phone though

    I am sure excited for other operating systems but they are just toys. GrapheneOS does amazing work that is a 100% alternative today, for real phones with normal prices, good performance and outstanding security.

    optissima ,
    @optissima@lemmy.world avatar

    What phone are you getting 1% over night on with Graphene?

    olbaidiablo ,

    I’m getting less than 1% battery loss over night. But I have the unihertz tank and it has a 22000mAh battery.

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Your phone should have battery indicator in 0.25% steps.

    Pantherina ,

    6a, nor now the last non EOL device that is tolerable I guess

    toastal ,

    5a was the last one with a headphone jack 😑

    FreeBooteR69 ,
    @FreeBooteR69@kbin.social avatar

    When i think of Android i don't think of it as part of the gnu/linux ecosystem, but a heavily modified linux kernel turned against the user.

    Pantherina ,

    How is it turned against the user? Androids Linux is highly restricted in that it doesnt support a lot of things, but that makes it extremely stable, while this doesnt mean that apps are also “stable” like in Debian

    scratchandgame ,

    They don’t expect users to do development on android.

    (Phones should be used like telephones lol.) I’m going to buy a landline phone

    Pantherina ,

    No a phone is an end device. But I dont think GPL or whatever says you need to be able to modify the code on that device.

    Makes no sense.

    Btw as I only said this in another comment, afaik android runs a tailored LTS linux kernel. It is not as bloated as regular linux as it contains device drivers and also doesnt need all the random drivers for whatever hardware to run on a specific phone.

    So you can say android restricts freedom in exchange for security, but “linux kernel turned against the user” makes no sense. Their kernel is just fine.

    scratchandgame ,

    Their kernel is just fine.

    It is just fine, yeah. The things that restrict what the user can do is the interfaces.

    Hapbt ,
    @Hapbt@mastodon.social avatar

    @scratchandgame @Pantherina i only have an issue when they dont upstream any of the functionality they add... buuuutttt... a lot of the progress linux has made in recent years has been upstreamed evil corporation(tm) code so... i dunno... mixed blessing

    scratchandgame ,

    ???

    mnglw ,

    how are you only getting 1% battery drain overnight? my pixel 7 w grapheneos drains 10% overnight and battery saver makes it worse somehow

    I would like to know your secrets

    Pantherina ,

    6a is good. The 7 is said to be bad.

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    6a, the one with a hackable fingerprint sensor, is good… this is the level of security GrapheneOS people enjoy. Rather have a debloated $50 BLU phone. These people know zilch about security and instead are just interested in inventing gospel to circlejerk their stock Android hobby.

    scratchandgame ,

    These people know zilch about security

    Agreed, now your mission is OpenBSD

    Let’s watch if your shit got cared, you can only attacks small projects with peoples who don’t want to write portable code (amd64 and aarch64 only) for “security”

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    you can only attacks small projects

    I do not do that. Pretty sure most said in your thread that you write weird stuff, and I also tried talking to you to no avail.

    Your OpenBSD fandom sounds like TempleOS meme. Weird. Pass.

    scratchandgame ,

    I do not do that. Pretty sure most said in your thread that you write weird stuff, and I also tried talking to you to no avail.

    You are doing that. You dispose contributions like hardened_malloc. Why don’t you spread more misinformation about it? Maybe when hardened_malloc have a bug you will.

    You can only laugh on some security bugs of Pixel. You thought “debloat” is enough. This is insufficient. (And using adb to debloat can be considered overkill. Your software recommendation is insane and overkill. Being both insufficient and overkill are the current infamous attitude of current privacy communities, including privacy guides, privsec.dev, grapheneos community and other “degoogled” android communities)

    Your OpenBSD fandom sounds like TempleOS meme. Weird. Pass.

    ???

    dragnet ,

    I have a 6a, which I tolerate for GrapheneOS. The battery life is absolutely terrible.

    Pantherina ,

    For me its 2 days when I use it rarely.

    inverted_deflector ,

    The 6 series was when google introduced the tensor which is where the stereotype for worse battery life, worse performance, and less efficient radio come from.

    I have a 6a too and for the price it’s fine, and I think a lot of the battery concerns are overblown, and for a budget phone competing with other budget phone devices tensor was great. That said the things that would make the tensor in the 7 bad are as present in if not more so in the 6a.

    Pantherina ,

    I dont know. I had a 7pro and that thing got hot and was like a tablet. I 100% cannot reproduce this on a 6a. Its battery life is better than my 4a and before my Nokia 7plus.

    MigratingtoLemmy ,

    Being pixel only makes me cry

    sharkfucker420 ,
    @sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

    Me too man, me too

    Lettuceeatlettuce ,
    @Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml avatar

    On GrapheneOS right now typing this, love it! I switched over about 2 years ago to Graphene and never looked back. Rarely have any issues, solid battery life, all my apps work, life is good and private.

    rah ,

    Android is Linux.

    It runs Linux but it isn’t a “Linux phone” in the sense used here.

    Pantherina ,

    Yes I know but the Term is simply incorrect. I dont have a better one though.

    And even though I am excited to use some Linux Distro on a phone I own, it will be way worse in stability, security and crucial app support than Android / GrapheneOS.

    rah ,

    the Term is simply incorrect

    LOL

    ook_the_librarian , (edited )
    @ook_the_librarian@lemmy.world avatar

    Is this seriously your takeaway from a well-thought out post? This the smugness of reddit that I really don’t miss.

    edit: I am refering to the root comment, as that isn’t clear.

    rah ,

    a well-thought out post

    LOL

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    This comment is GrapheneOS propaganda making its way into Lemmy. Ban these 4chan tier advertisers.

    AOSP with rebranded features is not doing anything over AOSP or LineageOS.

    • Every app on Android is sandboxed
    • there is no immutability thing with Android
    • WebView already runs sandboxed by default on Android in general
    • energy saving is dependent on phone chips and not this scam Android distro
    • closed source hardware is the same as Intel ME/AMD PSP and not a "trusted element"
    • Android is unified, there is nothing unique about this scam distro

    GrapheneOS is pure snake oil with a disgusting sole developer that believes in pushing corporate Big Tech propaganda, harassing and witch hunting any critics, having a little social media army with sockpuppets to do this, abuses mentally challenged by hiding behind “autism” label (Louis Rossmann has a nice video), falsely claims he was swatted without giving evidence or coverage in local Canadian media and blames everyone from redditors to community mods to YouTubers and so on.

    I covered this disease for about 5 years, and it emanates from the same sewer that “security” clowns like Brad Spengler and madaidan do in Linux community. All they do is either push their bullshit solutions or push corporate Big Tech propaganda and hate any FOSS project they think will not worship them.

    old.reddit.com/…/writeup_criticism_of_rprivacygui…

    old.reddit.com/…/grapheneos_corporate_foss_loving…

    dragnet ,

    Almost everything you said here is false, with the exception of controversy over the developer. However, GrapeheneOS is far from a single developer project, and the former lead stepped down a little while ago.

    TheAnonymouseJoker , (edited )
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Well, I do not know, I just back up things with a bunch of quoting and hard evidence, and on top of it I am pretty self-critical as a leftist, so I feel fairly confident in my takes.

    “Stepped down” is a big fat lie if anyone bothered to look at GitHub for GrapheneOS project, with just one person pushing commits to the project. From what I showed with DivestOS developer bullying incident, it is also proven that this is not a truly open source project, but one licensed depending on Micay’s personal whims. There is no freedom in his code licensing and can go ahead to do shitty things like falsely accusing FlorisBoard and Bromite devs of being neonazis on GitHub issue trackers.

    Edit: since this clown calls me “misinformation” spreader and asks for evidence, it is easy to look at one of the two long investigation articles I wrote, in which in share DivestOS XMPP room chat logs with Micay bullying DivestOS dev into banning me otherwise he will initiate a harassment campaign on social media against him. Similar stuff was done (calling neonazi in issue tracker) against Bromite project that used what should be open sourced code, but is not.

    scratchandgame , (edited )

    There is no freedom in his code licensing

    Evidence required.

    Most of them grant infinite freedom, with one requirement. (Not restrictive like *GPL.)

    Others like vanadium are restrictive under GPL

    github.com/…/c3a580727a9a844da05ae4e2787a937253b0…

    You guys should not listen to TheAnonymouseJoker, this is the evidence of him spreading misinformation.

    (Please note I’m not in GrapheneOS community (banned), nor putting myself in the class of privacy racers.)

    scratchandgame , (edited )

    Edit: since this clown calls me “misinformation” spreader and asks for evidence, it is easy to look at one of the two long investigation articles I wrote, in which in share DivestOS XMPP room chat logs with Micay bullying DivestOS dev into banning me otherwise he will initiate a harassment campaign on social media against him.

    Don’t think that’s related

    Similar stuff was done (calling neonazi in issue tracker) against Bromite project that used what should be open sourced code, but is not.

    twitter.com/GrapheneOS/…/1537851090514890752

    That’s personal emotion against bromite and lead to unacceptable wording. But Micay can’t force others to remove their code if they do not violate it. nevertheless, Vanadium code is free in Linux communities’ opinion, right?? (I’d not consider that since it is GPL)

    simply: The license of vanadium is still gpl and is it free in your opinion?

    scratchandgame ,

    harassing and witch hunting any critics

    You can criticize GrapheneOS just because Micay will care about your words. But you can’t do with something like OpenBSD because the developers are much knowledgeable and they never cared your words. They maintain an operating system for themselves and will not develop features to please users.

    You can only criticize some small project with a developer that isn’t good in communication. You are truly a petty person.

    having a little social media army with sockpuppets to do this

    No loser, the community is the army. (their quality isn’t better than any Calyx or Lineage). The developers don’t even have enough time to please user with a beautiful user interface then why they would screaming on social medias like you are doing.

    But they maintained hardened_malloc and you never take a word for it.

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    You can only criticize some small project with a developer that isn’t good in communication. You are truly a petty person.

    Someone who hides behing “autism” label to use actually mentally challenged as shields on internet is a fucking disgusting person. Someone who goes to lengths of inventing gospel like getting swatted, with banning people asking for some evidence by claiming everybody is a troll, with no evidence for it in almost a year, is not a good person. Or him officially instructing in his Matrix chat to witch hunt any reddit users that criticise his project by abusing JSON and RSS feeds for accounts.

    I did not know asking for evidence and making things transparent was trolling. I did not know this.

    having a little social media army with sockpuppets to do this

    No loser, the community is the army.

    Lost you on this one. You are an unreasonable BSD evangelist with incoherent rantings.

    Have a good life. May you gain wisdom. Blocking you.

    scratchandgame ,

    Can you take some word for hardened_malloc or linux-hardened?

    anarchrist , to piracy in How will dbzer0 handle IP subpoenas?

    It’s weird, but VPNs also work for things that aren’t piracy, like freedom of speech…about piracy 😁

    bungleofjoy ,

    Until you realize your vpn provider can see everything you do

    ShellMonkey ,
    @ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com avatar

    Could always go to excessive measures, your own cloud hosted VPN node to hop to an external provider or similar. Unless you’re a major target nobody wants to deal with multiple providers and jurisdictions.

    bungleofjoy ,

    If you find a provider shady enough not to give a damn, then yes. Otherwise you have the same problem as before

    GiveMemes ,

    I’m pretty sure mullvad will let you do this and they were pretty highly recommended last I checked

    HumanPerson ,

    Or you can use the old trick of hiding a small computer in a fake charger and leaving it plugged in at a nearby business that you don’t like.

    misanthropy ,

    Split tunnels are a thing friend

    ex_06 ,

    But their business model is solely based on not disclosing your info. If they do, most of all for just some silly comments on an Internet forum, be sure they are going to fail.

    archomrade ,

    Any VPN you choose should have a ‘no-log’ policy that’s been third party verified

    It’s not just that they don’t disclose it, it should be that they don’t have it

    Pons_Aelius , to asklemmy in If we all exist in a simulation, what will happen once we start running out of RAM?

    Simply put.

    We wouldn't notice anything.

    Our perception of the world would be based only on the compute cycles and not on any external time-frame.

    The machine could run at a Million Billion hertz or at one clock-cycle per century and your perception of time inside the machine would be the same.

    Same with low ram, we would have no indication if we were constantly being paged out to a hard drive and written back to ram as required.

    Greg Egan gave a great explanation of this in the opening chapter of his Novel Permutation City

    Feyr ,

    Clearly wrong .

    Running out of ram happen all the time. We see something, store it, and that something also gets stored in ram. But if that second storage gets reaped by the oom, the universe reprocess it.

    Since it’s already in our copy, it cause weird issues. We call it Déjà Vu!

    TheAnonymouseJoker ,
    @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

    Feynman Feyrman

    I get it now.

    manxu , to asklemmy in What thing do you love that you can never get anyone else to check out?
    @manxu@kbin.social avatar

    Esperanto. A made up language that is really easy to learn and spoken to some degree by about 2 million people all over the world. I got into it when I heard that if you speak it you can stay with Esperanto speakers that just want to practice with strangers, for free. I traveled all over the world for free and met so many awesome people.

    When I try to get anyone to learn it, they just won't. They hear about that criticism of the language or another, or plain get bored. You can just start the Esperanto course on Duolingo for free, but nobody I know goes through, despite the benefits.

    lordnikon ,

    check out the Magic 2.0 book series by Scott Meyer it will be a treat for you.

    manxu ,
    @manxu@kbin.social avatar

    Thanks for the suggestion! I'll check it out ASAP

    morrowind ,
    @morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

    The moment I got interested in Esperanto, I wanted better so I jumped down a rabbit hole of ever more obscure languages until I realized what I had gotten into and stopped.

    Also, and this probably applied to others, if I’m language learning, there’s two other languages I really 'should* be learning, but am not, so that makes me feel guilty.

    LopensLeftArm ,
    @LopensLeftArm@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Fun fact, William Shatner of Star Trek fame once starred in a movie filmed entirely in Esperanto.

    manxu ,
    @manxu@kbin.social avatar

    Angoroj! Fun fact: I have the DVD! And it's hilariously bad.

    RedditRefugee69 ,

    How do you locate other Esperanto speakers?

    Honytawk ,

    Esperanto has a special call that attracts other Esperanto users.

    It also has a mating call, but that only attracts birds.

    toototabon ,
    @toototabon@lemmy.ml avatar

    i find it cool in the sense of how it’s a portrayal of all languages being somewhat synthetic. how other conlangs have tried to play with language features is how i landed on Jan Misali’s YT channel (here’s his Esperanto episode).

    esperanto per-se i haven’t learnt because… maybe because I wouldn’t have anyone to practice with, and the point of languages is communication? idk.

    Duolingo maybe be a good start for the theory, how did you start getting practice? and more importantly, what’s this about rent-free Esperanto hostels? 👀👀

    SecretPancake ,

    I kinda understand the appeal but there are just too many other languages that have a real practical use for when I’m traveling and want to speak to regular people instead of a secret society.

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