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TheBeege , to world in Niger soldiers announce coup on national TV

The fuck is this article? What are the differences in ideologies between the military and the government? Is there any history of this conflict? How long has this president been in office? Most BBC readers probably have no idea about anything in Niger, myself included

_cerpin_taxt_ ,

Right? Such a trash article that explains nothing about why this is happening.

Kinglink ,

Considering this is 16 minutes old and a currently happen situation, it’s very likely BBC doesn’t keep that information on hand, and likely has to go source that.

I doubt the soldiers put out a press release as the first thing they did detailing the ideological differences, and more focused on consolidating power right now.

Nougat ,

This should give you some idea:

Niger President Mohamed Bazoum has been held by troops from the presidential guard since early on Wednesday. ... Mr Bazoum is a key Western ally in the fight against Islamist militancy in West Africa.

Caligvla ,
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Oh great, more religious zealots. Organized religion was a mistake.

Skua ,

This one from Al-Jazeera seems a little better

bigb5wm ,

right there is no explanation at all

Mr_Blott ,

There is no conjecture or supposition ftfy

BBC has to wait until they have facts

bigb5wm ,

They should have delayed reporting

christophski ,

Bbc breaking news stories like this often start as a very small article and are updated rapidly to give more information

fmstrat ,

There are only 3 actual sources of world news these days, the BBC is not one of them. They’re probably waiting on AP to send the details from boots on the ground.

RogueSensei , to fediverse in The BBC on Mastodon: experimenting with distributed and decentralised social media
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Even though I take issue with the BBC, I hope they choose to stay on mastadon in the long term. A large organisation like the BBC on a federated platform is sure to spread word and hopefully convince more people to join the fediverse and see it a a feasible alternative to the current big tech landscape.

SasquatchBanana ,

This is how twitter and Youtube picked up pace. News organizations stsrted slowly creeping towards it and they have a lot of incentive to do so with how twitter is becoming a cesspool of Nazis and CSAM.

Suoko ,
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What social do most UK users use ATM? Are they on meta/twitter or some UK specific one?

RogueSensei ,
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Pretty much the same as the US (and I imagine other English-speaking countries) with similar age distribution (i.e. facebook mums, tiktok kids) and of course toxic cesspit behaviour on twiitter.

SuddenDownpour , to world in Sweden charges Greta Thunberg for blockading oil port

Based Greta, the one actual girlboss.

MercuryUprising ,

The only thing better than Greta’s commitment to fighting against climate change, is seeing how much she pisses off old rich men. One day I’m going to make a shirt that says “Your girlfriend would rather fuck Greta” just to watch them seethe even harder.

nexusband ,
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As a relatively young, broke man, she also pisses me off very much.

Necronomicommunist ,

Ok thanks for sharing I guess? The shirt will apply to you as well.

nexusband , (edited )
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Right, because i dont have the same views about what to do, I’m in the same boat as the fucking oil mafia? And you people wonder why republicans and right wing views get so much approval and the left doesn’t get shit done? God, this world is really beyond fucked.

Necronomicommunist ,

You’re the one siding with them, nobody told you to hate climate activist but them.

nexusband ,
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How dense do you have to be to come to such a conclusion from “I don’t like how you fight for our common goal”?

Necronomicommunist ,

That isn’t what you said though, is it?

nexusband ,
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Okay, so what is “I don’t have the same views about what to do” then? I want to bathe in oil and want the world to burn?

crate_of_mice ,

Why?

rambaroo ,

Because some right wing rag told him Greta bad. These people are total shills lol. Imagine defending oil corps who wouldn’t hesitate fucking you over for a dime.

nexusband ,
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How about you just fuck off with your baseless accusations. Nobody tells me what to think, especially not right-wing armchair farts who don’t have a clue about tooting and blowing. Both extremist views are absolute junk and have no place in a civilized world and that’s exactly why Greta (and the same, it’s not just her) gets on my nerves so much.

oscar_falke ,

I don’t think you can properly translate “von tuten und blasen keine Ahnung haben” into English. But I appreciate it anyway.

Furthermore, do you care to explain what is particularly extremist about Thunberg’s views?

Stelus42 ,

She cares about the environment man! And and she like, stood in front of an oil port!! I can’t think of anything more extreme leftist terrorist than that

nexusband ,
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  • barsoap ,

    To know as much about something as the man in the moon

    As to her extremist and disagreeable views, now, I haven’t collaborated this properly but have it on very good authority that she prefers vanilla over chocolate pudding. What a monster.

    nexusband ,
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    I prefer vanilla over chocolate pudding as well. Good god, what have i become…

    nexusband ,
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    Wahrscheinlich nicht - ist mir aber ehrlich gesagt auch Egal, weil es am Ende eh nix bringt. Sobald man bei dem Thema ne andere Meinung hat, ist man eh unten durch. Aber, weil ich ja eig. verständigungswillig bin…hier die Erklärung:

    Yes, i care: I’ve said it in another post, the fact that she (and pretty much everyone else that applauded her) want’s to basically stop living life, without proposing or advocating how to do it better or rather using her Plattform to advocate real change without completely demolishing “life” irks me. To quote the other post:

    Because I do not agree with the methods and also the basic goal. Basically, just telling everyone to stop living isn’t going to do shit in terms of change. You have to give people a perspective to rally behind the cause - I support the cause, but neither the goal of going cold turkey on fossils from tomorrow morning, nor do I support the way they go about that.

    The issue is: The extremist positions are doing more harm than any good, it’s one of the reasons the AfD got so big in the last few months and neither the Greens nor any other party seem to understand that all they are doing is playing in to the hands of those right wing extremist positions. It infuriates me beyond comparison and makes me actually mad.

    And “the other side” just get’s foam around their mouth (wahrscheinlich noch was, was man anders übersetzen müsste, ich bin aber gerade zu verärgert um das ordentlich zu tun - sorry) and put’s you in to the same corner. Which is not only absolutely stupid, it also damages Democracy, Free Speech and also our society - probably on the same level as Climate Change itself, because in the end, does it matter if we bash our heads in because of climate change (no water, no food) or because we disagree? Both things can be avoided.

    nadir ,

    The popularity of the AFD is not the fault of the people actually trying to make things a tiny bit better. It’s thanks to right wing media and politics (CxU) continuously slandering them after complete failure to improve things even the tiniest bit during their time in power.

    Even the most mild and harmless change to somewhat reduce the apocalyptic global warming we’re creating is fought tooth and nail by the right wing.

    You’re argument makes as much sense as the people saying gay people are making things worse by forcing their gayness down everyone’s throat. No, right wing people don’t want to do anything about climate change and want LGBT people not to exist.

    You can’t appease those dicks into rationality.

    nexusband ,
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    Yes, just close your eyes from the reality^^

    Surreal ,

    How about you fuck off to right wing communities?

    Mdotaut801 ,

    Lol what exactly is “extremist” about Greta?

    nadir ,

    Oh, she’s extremist compared to the political center. Just as people in favor of women’s suffrage were in the early 20th century.

    Doesn’t make her wrong though. It’s just damning for the majority.

    el_cordoba ,

    From what I gather, blocking an oil port is extremist and doesn’t actually do anything but make life more difficult for the general population.

    From that perspective I can agree with him. Blockading an oil port is an extreme approach to combating climate change. More sensible approaches would be figuring out how to lobby governments to tax fossil fuels and use that money to support renewable resources.

    Necronomicommunist ,

    You want to enter a bidding war with one of the biggest global industries? Nations literally go to war for fossil fuels.

    ABCDE ,

    How did what she did make life more difficult for anyone except corporations? No one would have noticed anything, mate.

    el_cordoba ,

    Hmm, in this instance probably. I am worried she’ll gather the wrong type of attention and turn more people off than on to climate issues.

    ABCDE ,

    Hasn’t happened thus far.

    el_cordoba ,

    I am not sure about that. There plenty of people who use her as an example to further their propaganda against progressive movements.

    ABCDE ,

    No one is paying attention to them.

    el_cordoba ,

    And people didn’t think Trump had a shot back in 2016.

    I live in a town that’s split down the middle politically and I still see people flying Trump flags even after all the bs he has done. We even had a council member denounce pride month back in June at a council meeting. They think they are fighting the good fight.

    Anyway, my point is that there are people who will see what Greta is doing, even if it benefits them, and still fight it because they think their side has their back.

    ABCDE ,

    I really don’t care about what’s happening in the US.

    rambaroo ,

    Sounds like something a right wing rag would say.

    axexrx ,

    Nice. ‘Both sides are the same’ im just one square short of mingo on my ‘Im totally not a republican, But…’ card!

    intensely_human ,

    Both extremes are the same.

    You slicing the world into exactly two categories (not three or five or seventy trillion but TWO) is divisive and counterproductive.

    cedarmesa , (edited )
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    💀

    rambaroo ,

    That’s good advice.

    aetrix ,

    Redirected self loathing is my guess

    nexusband ,
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    Because I do not agree with the methods and also the basic goal. Basically, just telling everyone to stop living isn’t going to do shit in terms of change. You have to give people a perspective to rally behind the cause - I support the cause, but neither the goal of going cold turkey on fossils from tomorrow morning, nor do I support the way they go about that.

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  • nexusband ,
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    To you, that’s being that condescending? Jumping in to ice cold water maybe.

    Laticauda ,

    It’s funny how you never reply whenever people actually try to ask you what you think is extremist about Greta and her methods/views. Something tells me you’ve just been told she’s extremist by some bad faith actor and you’re just repeating that without enacting any actual critical thought about it.

    nexusband ,
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    I did respond to that. Several times.

    crate_of_mice ,

    So if I understand you right, you don’t think her method are appropriate to achieve her goals?

    What is her goal? What methods would be better suited to that goal?

    nexusband ,
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    Her goal is to stop or at least significantly reduce climate change - which is a goal i support. One thing i would appreciate greatly is to actually use her platform and tell people about how many different things there are that every single one can do, to actually reduce the climate impact, without having to change much in their daily live and even their hobbies. For example, those people that invest heavily in to fossile fuel companies with their own private money should look in to investing it somewhere else (and i do actually know a lot of people - not that wealthy - that do exactly that), “vote” with their pockets and actually pay attention what they are buying (like, are you buying your avocados from the other side of the globe, or maybe from sustainable greenhouses that exist all around Europe? Do you really need the latest iPhone 2500X?), support green hydrogen initiatives and companies that do something with Alge to reduce the souring in the oceans and so on - there are COUNTLESS efforts underway that ACTUALLY are going to change things WITHOUT having to deal with all the animosity and bad blood.

    EuroNutellaMan ,
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    Ah good old oil company propaganda where it’s every single individual’s responsibility to fix climate change.

    You’re incredibly naive if you think we can solve climate change with your wishful thinking instead of political action to regulate production, circularize the economy, build cities that don’t make you need to drive a car if you want to get anywhere, etc etc etc.

    There’s no such thing as fixing a systemic issue without animosity with the people who profit from said system.

    ABCDE ,

    One thing i would appreciate greatly is to actually use her platform and tell people about how many different things there are that every single one can do, to actually reduce the climate impact, without having to change much in their daily live and even their hobbies.

    You want the path of least resistance, which it is too late for. She has suggested a lot of things previously.

    Helluin ,

    and also the basic goal

    you disagree with stopping climate change?

    nexusband , (edited )
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    ffs, i’m getting really tired of this shit.

    No, of course i do not disagree with stopping climate change (well, actually, i do, because the term “stopping climate change” is wrong, climate change is something that happens naturally and continuously, stopping the man made acceleration of climate change is the correct thing)

    Helluin ,

    because the term “stopping climate change” is wrong

    oh fun, a pedant.

    so if its not the fight against manmade climate change that you have issue with, what is her basic goal that you disagree with?

    solstice ,

    I agree she is obnoxious and that famous speech at the UN is so cringe it’s hard for me to watch. I also agree with the message overall, and I’m pretty much a single issue voter now on climate change. Blockading an oil port (?) isn’t the way to go about it though. We need to make alternatives better, cheaper, and more affordable than oil. That’s the only way to get people to change. That’s the only way to change things on a massive scale.

    All the downvotes against you are dismaying. I think people hear ‘Greta bad’ and assume you enjoy dumping oil in the arctic and killing baby seals as your weekend hobby. It would be cool if we could discuss these things without going straight to each other’s throats.

    nexusband ,
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    I agree she is obnoxious and that famous speech at the UN is so cringe it’s hard for me to watch. I also agree with the message overall, and I’m pretty much a single issue voter now on climate change. Blockading an oil port (?) isn’t the way to go about it though. We need to make alternatives better, cheaper, and more affordable than oil. That’s the only way to get people to change. That’s the only way to change things on a massive scale.

    That’s pretty much one of my points as well. There are also other things that can and have to be done, we’ve fucked up pretty royally and need to be doing stuff ASAP - but not through force. We need everyone to do it and we can’t afford the different “camps”.

    All the downvotes against you are dismaying. I think people hear ‘Greta bad’ and assume you enjoy dumping oil in the arctic and killing baby seals as your weekend hobby. It would be cool if we could discuss these things without going straight to each other’s throats.

    Pretty much, yeah. I’m by no means right on everything and some ideas are stupid (still, they should be done to get everyone on board), but no discussions i one of the biggest issues we have in our societies right now.

    solstice ,

    And now here we both are now sitting at “scores” below zero. I was really hoping Lemmy wouldn’t bring reddit’s rabid overzealous hateful groupthink with it. It would be really nice if we could discuss this like adults but no, I guess we should go fuck off and die instead.

    nexusband , (edited )
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    We get pushed in to the “Right” corner. Which is utterly stupid and could not be any further from the truth…(at least in my case)

    solstice ,

    What’s that line from big lebowski, you’re not wrong, you’re just an asshole? I think that applies to greta and other so-called climate activists. Sitting in the road blocking people from getting to work isn’t going to win the hearts and minds. Blocking oil tankers isn’t going to stop people, businesses, governments, etc from using oil. It’s just super childish and naive to think otherwise.

    Fredselfish ,
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    Dude human race is a danger to the environment and we are going kill life on this planet. So asking us to not live to save the environment would be spot on.

    I believe that is the truly only way to save the environment.

    But to your point of living our lives like normal. You keep doing that right up until were fucked I am sure future generations will appreciate you for all the "nothing " you did to combate climate change. When our grandkids (supposing you have kids) are fighting wars over water I’m sure they will look back on you fondly knowing that you kept up the good fight of enjoying the overabundance of food and water.

    And you kept driving gas power cars and just enjoy life. Because god forbid anyone inconvenience you our the world over climate change.

    How about instead of bitching about the girl who at least is fighting for her future and future generations you join the fight instead.

    Do that our shut the fuck up no one interested in your complaining.

    solstice ,

    There’s a great line in one of my favorite books:

    The main character kid judged his mentor “with the sanctimonious only a youth can muster while decrying the faults of their elders.”

    I think of that line often. That’s what comes to mind when watching that infamous speech of hers at the UN. It’s just so cringe and hard to watch. I agree with the message, but the delivery, oof…

    riodoro1 ,

    You agree with everything people who actively make your life harder tell you to think?

    nexusband ,
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    The hell? What kind of fucked up world view does one need to have, to jump to that conclusion, just because I don’t agree with the methods Great and her cult use? That’s on the same level of stupid as telling Ukraine they have to negotiate with Russia at all costs.

    PantsMcGee ,

    her cult

    Claiming that believing climate change is real and fighting for a cleaner future is a cult is the real fucked up world view.

    You realize science is a real thing, right?

    nexusband ,
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    nadir ,

    scientists who deliver alternatives

    Like what?

    el_cordoba ,

    If you read into his other posts he is saying her approach of blocking people from living their lives is ineffective. It is like protesting something by blocking off a highway people need to use to make a living.

    nadir ,

    So people should protest somewhere where nobody notices? Preferably quietly?

    That’s not how protests work.

    el_cordoba ,

    At this point who notices protests? They are so commonplace unless tens of thousands of people are involved. I agree that this will catch the public eye and may motivate people to side with her, but it could have the opposite effect as well. People rely on fossil fuels to get through their day (e.g. commuting, heating their homes, electric generation even). Making it more expensive may frustrate people who are more concerned about making ends meet than the climate.

    It sucks, but there are limits to how practical it is to disrupt a crucial resource.

    BrudderAaron ,
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    “The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything.”

    • Albert Einstein
    MercuryUprising ,

    Another quote i live my life by is “The only ting necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

    ABCDE ,

    We are discussing this one.

    el_cordoba ,

    ?

    gmmxle ,

    <crickets>

    Though if I had to guess, it’s going to be stuff like “build a shit ton of nuclear power plants, use e fuels for cars, use green hydrogen, develop fusion power, and generally do all the things that allow us to believe that we have to change absolutely nothing in our lives.”

    RinktheDink ,

    Have you ever heard of Dr Jack Kevorkian

    MercuryUprising ,

    Fucking lol

    EuroNutellaMan , (edited )
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    these countless scientists (accounting for less than 2% of the scientific community), are they in the room with us right now?

    Also Greta doesn’t control literally anyone, doesn’t require unwavering devotion and most importantly it is not a spiritual belief that human-made climate change is a thing. In fact it’s a well established fact by now.

    Because 1 moron screaming that the sky is green does not make the sky green just because he’s “providing an alternative” to what the other 99 people are saying after looking up at the sky and seeing it is blue. Scientists are also not telling people to repent, they’re telling people there needs to be a system change and they’re also telling politicians that they need to enact policies to contrast climate change, and the same is what activists ask for. You’d know if you spent some time looking at what they say rather than what the media says about them.

    You know who actually is both telling people to repent for their own emissions and also spreading misinformation about climate change and financing those “alternative science”? Oil companies. I wonder why.

    DeanFogg ,

    Way easier to hate on a little girl than your oppressor. I get it, but it makes you seem weak.

    Maybe direct that anger at people who deserve it

    alliswell33 , to world in Sweden charges Greta Thunberg for blockading oil port

    “We blocked the port in order to stop the use of fossil fuels that are killing innocent people,” she said. “The real crimes continue inside the gate of the port. We are not going to sit and wait while the fossil fuel industry takes our dreams away from us.” Asked if she’s worried about the consequences of the trial, she replied: “I personally am more worried about the horrible harm the fossil fuel industry is doing to the world.” “I’m not going to stop while they are threatening the planet.”

    Much of the oil and gas industry says that continued production is necessary in order to meet global energy demands. Cutting oil and gas production would be “dangerous and irresponsible”, the head of energy company Shell told BBC News. The International Energy Agency has said that there can be no new investments in oil, gas and coal now if governments are serious about the climate crisis. UN chief António Guterres recently said investment in new oil and gas production was “economic and moral madness”. This week the world experienced its hottest day on record on Tuesday, topping 17C for the first time.

    Our world burns and people suffer so that oil companies can turn a profit. The few are making decisions that will have disasterous effects on the many in the not too distant future.

    SpaceToast ,

    As long as people are buying gas for their cars and flying planes around the world, oil companies will need to exist.

    It’s so strange to me how people will protest oil companies, then go fill up their tank at the gas station. Or fly across the globe for their vacations.

    scaryboat ,
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    For most Americans, there is no alternative for a car. The tram lines we used 60 years ago were bought and torn up by car manufacturers. We need grocery stores within walking distance, and transit lines to useful places before people will give up their cars.

    torres ,
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    One relatively recent and quite expensive alternative would be electric cars. But I don’t really see that as a real, permanent solution, for that you would need a good railway/tram system, which sadly isn’t all that common all around the world

    EinfachUnersetzlich ,

    Yeah, but this article is about Sweden.

    zeppo ,
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    I have grocery stores within walking distance, but even taking a dolly it’s a hell of a lot of work carrying back a bunch of groceries. Plus the way the roads are constructed I risk my life every time I cross the street. Young and fit people should walk to the store but it’s not practical for everyone.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Maybe not everyone, but that’s pretty much the only way it’s done for most denizens of New York City, young and old.

    zeppo ,
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    That makes sense. I feel like probably NYC is constructed better in terms of walkability and public transportation. I live in semi-suburban Denver. There are 7-8 small grocery stores and 2 wholesale food warehouses about a mile from my house, primarily Asian and Central American markets, which is a lot, so it’s feasible for me to walk. 3-4 liquor stores, a couple weed shops and a few convenience stores. For many other areas of the city it wouldn’t be as reasonable to live without a car, though probably one could take the bus or light rail. The problem is just walking to a bus stop is about half a mile so it wouldn’t help that much. I could use an Uber or Lyft, but it would be expensive unless I just went to the store once every 2 weeks.

    I’m reasonably fit, in my 40s, but things like “I’ll carry back 4 12 packs of Diet Pepsi from the store for my girlfriend” leaves me feeling pretty worn out. Taking a dolly or cart helps but I’m the only person around here I ever see doing that… not that I mind. I suppose I could do grocery delivery.

    jandar_fett ,

    Grocery delivery is a good stop gap, but you’d need all the various grocery stores to be on board. Municipal and state governments could literally subsidize the costs of maintenance and fueling delivery vehicles to incentivize this method, and even offer rebates for customers who participate, but nah that’s all too hard and will eat at the bottom line so let the world burn I guess.

    MercuryUprising ,

    “You protest society, AND YET YOU LIVE IN A SOCIETY?”

    SpaceToast ,

    “I want to save the planet, but I’d rather go on vacation.”

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Asked if she’s worried about the consequences of the trial, she replied: “I personally am more worried about the horrible harm the fossil fuel industry is doing to the world.” “I’m not going to stop while they are threatening the planet.”

    This. This is activism. I’m not brave enough to face a justice system hostile to my existence like she does, so I’m glad she’s there to do it.

    vzq ,

    Also, great job staying on message. Press wrangling is a chore, but it’s so important to get your story out.

    MercuryUprising ,

    Cue the millions of bootlickers who will claim “she’s been coached into this by her parents and Soros!”

    Bleach7297 ,
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    Right? Really, tho. I sincerely hope she was coached by somebody and not left in the dark to figure out how to be a figurehead of a movement and lightning rod for abuse all on her own. That’d be kinda fucked up.

    MercuryUprising ,

    She’s been literally protesting for eco solutions since she was like 12 or something. While some kids were busy jerking off to Harry Potter, she found her outlet in becoming an activist and leading one of the largest movements in climate change protests, becoming an inspiration millions of children just like her. I’ve seen the Friday walk-out protests in Europe, and the attendance was always huge and the people involved were very passionate about the cause.

    I know people have a hard time understanding that, but that’s why they jerk off to Harry Potter instead. It’s all they got.

    bamboo , to world in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia

    Damn I was hoping he would be able to cause more chaos inside Russia before Putin had him killed.

    Ghostalmedia ,
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    That window of opportunity closed. Wagner got folded into the state military.

    assassinatedbyCIA ,

    No window is ever closed in russia

    electrogamerman ,

    How else would people fall accidentally out of them?

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Harder to push people out of a closed window.

    thesohoriots ,

    They have windows in the basement?

    Vilian ,

    if they have it in planes…

    potterpockets , (edited )

    Makes it easier to push people accidentally fall out of.

    Blastasaurus ,

    golf claps

    JuzoInui ,

    All that means is that Wagner has infiltrated the Russian military… while pooty might get lucky and get a few knuckleheads, trust and believe the hardcore of the hardcore have gone to ground and are dead set on putting Vlad’s head on a pike

    Lemminary ,

    You sly dog lol

    echo64 , to world in Greta Thunberg charged following Fossil Free London protest

    A good reminder that protesting in the UK is effectively illegal, the police have powers to arrest you for doing pretty much anything at a protest, and the government pushes them to do so.

    People who go out and protest are risking a lot, they deserve your respect

    Bluehood380 ,

    Sounds like they need some lessons from your French comrades.

    merari42 , to world in Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

    I am all for billionaires facing consequences for their actions. The death penalty is still deeply immoral though. Locking financial criminals up like for example the American state did with Martin Shkreli or Sam Bankman-Fried though is completely o.K. and should happen more often.

    lurch ,

    I agree, but only if they can’t bribe their way out. A billion can hire a lot of people.

    captain_aggravated ,
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    Not with their hands, feet and jaws torn off they can’t.

    ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
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    Nah fam certain people deserve gilded intestines

    modifier ,

    Is this a Game of Thrones reference? I am confuse

    ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
    @ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

    No it’s a reference to an old story of a baron being attacked by peasants and having his gold melted down and poured down his throat.

    Pretty sure GoT got that idea from this story

    modifier ,

    Oh thanks, in that context the Baron story is way cooler.

    theacharnian ,
    @theacharnian@lemmy.ca avatar

    I agree. Truong My Lan could just as well, lose her assets and spend her days repaying her debts to society. You know, on a normal person’s wage, trying to make up for billions upon billions. Should be enough time.

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    The death penalty is still deeply immoral though.

    The decision is a reflection of the dizzying scale of the fraud. Truong My Lan was convicted of taking out $44bn (£35bn) in loans from the Saigon Commercial Bank. The verdict requires her to return $27bn, a sum prosecutors said may never be recovered. Some believe the death penalty is the court’s way of trying to encourage her to return some of the missing billions.

    It appears to be a method the courts are employing to encourage her to surrender overseas assets.

    In this particular situation, that $27bn is over 5% of Vietnam’s GDP. This is a very significant hit to the nation’s financial stability and one that will likely result in substantial number of excess deaths entirely due to increased poverty. I can see the threat of execution as a method to compel repayment as necessary.

    In a better world, foreign banks complicit in Truong’s 11 year long theft would cooperate to return the stolen money, thereby making this threat unnecessary. But so long as foreign financial institutions can hold a nation’s wealth hostage, all the Vietnamese state leadership can manage is to respond in kind.

    clutchtwopointzero ,

    5% of GDP is just absolutely insane

    InformalTrifle ,

    Disclaimer: didn’t read the article yet.

    But surely someone can’t commit such a huge fraud alone. Nobody at Saigon Commercial Bank is involved or culpable for loaning that amount to a fraudster?

    Rinox ,

    I mean, when you stop and think about it, you’ll realize that it’s probably all a giant mafia, and she crossed the wrong people the wrong way. There’s no way on earth that someone can disappear 10% of a country’s GDP without anyone knowing.

    There’s certainly corruption all the way to the top. Everything is controlled by one party, including the banks. Everyone knew for certain

    UnderpantsWeevil ,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    But surely someone can’t commit such a huge fraud alone.

    Right. I’m less upset by a single individual facing execution than I am not seeing a dozen other crooks lined up on the docket.

    LustyArgonianMana ,
    @LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes the case involves over 2700 witnesses. The law in Vietnam forbid her from owning more than 5% of the bank shares. Through shell companies and other people, she owned about 90% of the bank. She then hired her own people as managers, and got them to approve loans for the shell companies she had. About 93% of the loans this bank approved were for her/her shell companies. She also had her driver withdraw the equivalent of $4billion usd, which she kept in her house (it weighed 2 tons).

    funkless_eck ,

    as someone opposed to prison-culture, I would suggest instead forcing them to contribute to society meaningfully through acts of service while losing privileges such as running businesses, sitting on boards, and reducing their ill-gotten gains to something akin to the average income and redistributing their stolen wealth to benefit communities.

    Them sitting in a cube doesn’t help society, but if they were forced to solve homelessness or else face The Cube, that would be better.

    Rinox ,

    So you are telling me that we should give them housing, a stable and guaranteed job and a secure income in line with the nation average? Man, I might start thinking about stealing millions, worst it can happen, I’m better off than now. /s

    funkless_eck ,

    are you sure? the average is sub-40k.

    Rinox ,

    40k a year is very much a different amount in various parts of the world, and even of the US. Regardless, if accommodation is already taken care of, it’s not a bad amount in lots of places (just maybe not NYC or SF)

    PutangInaMo ,

    I say turn them over to the Mechanicum and have yourself a new servitor loyal to the empirium.

    AutistoMephisto ,
    @AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world avatar

    They were arrested for ripping off people who were already rich. Nobody cares if a billion poors get ripped off.

    Drunemeton , to world in Ukraine war: Zelensky says Israel-Gaza conflict taking focus away from fighting
    @Drunemeton@lemmy.world avatar

    I hate to say it, but within minutes of hearing about the attack by Hamas against Israel, the unexpectedness of it, and the scale of it, I asked myself, “Who’s funding this,” and, “Who gains by this?” And my brain replied, “Putin.”

    Sure enough within days his puppets in our government (the USofA GOP) start talking about reducing/stopping aid to Ukraine.

    ShroOmeric ,

    It’s more complex than that, Israel and Russia have much more common geopolitical interest than you might expect if you follow analists: in Sirya for example. This while still having opposite positions about Iran. It’s just a mess.

    Cinner Bot ,

    My college nickname was the analist.

    Neon ,

    because you always took it rectally?

    Cinner Bot ,

    yes

    hark ,
    @hark@lemmy.world avatar

    Republicans were complaining about aid to Ukraine long before this. Russia is not as sophisticated a puppet master as you think.

    SARGEx117 ,

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  • TheSanSabaSongbird ,

    Not to mention that we already know that Iran has been backing Hamas for decades, and Iran and Russia are allies.

    Techmaster ,

    Yeah I knew from the moment it happened that Putin was behind it. It’s a distraction from a much more important war.

    ech ,

    Sure enough within days his puppets in our government (the USofA GOP) start talking about reducing/stopping aid to Ukraine.

    I mean, not to say you’re wrong exactly, but that’s not a new thing. Those same people have been demanding the same for a year and a half. Using Israel as their current excuse doesn’t mean much, just that they’re opportunistic shits, which isn’t really news.

    PhlubbaDubba ,

    Plus Biden’s proposed answer to this was basically just to double down on continuing aid to Ukraine, the aid package he requested for Israel also had a significant sum for Ukraine.

    Russia seems determined to relearn the mistakes that lost them the cold war the first time around, that America wipes its ass with more money than you can afford to throw at proxies, and that doing so isn’t even close to its largest military expense.

    Aussiemandeus ,
    @Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone avatar

    It’s really the greatest example of fuck around find out.

    Punch someone in the head and they turn around and belt you, you kind of deserve it.

    gravitas_deficiency ,

    I really don’t think that’s what’s being said here.

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Punch someone in the head and now they’re justified to bomb your entire city.

    Aussiemandeus ,
    @Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone avatar

    Hammas bombed Israel first

    Linkerbaan ,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Israel was bombing Hamas for 15 years. Does your history start at October? Nonetheless this example is about killing civilians instead of the enemy and how it doesn’t accomplish anything.

    SuddenDownpour ,

    The most likely intention for the brutality of the terror attack from October was stopping the diplomatic processes between Israel and other Arab countries to establish somewhat normal relations. Putin and Iran are definitely indirect beneficiaries, but there’s no need to create narratives where Hamas is the puppet of Iran or Russia because they did something that was aligned with their own interests.

    ghostdoggtv ,

    I can’t presume what you know or have heard, but Hamas is playing ball with Putin.

    Doorbook ,

    The one benefiting is actually Eroupe. Check the companies that can explore gas field in Isreal as of October 27, 2023

    irreticent ,
    @irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

    Check? Cite us some sources.

    Doorbook ,

    Just write in google Isreal Gas:

    reuters.com/…/israel-awards-gas-exploration-licen…

    And here opinion article about it: planetcritical.com/…/everybody-wants-gazas-gas

    And there more, including the Map they display during UN assembly calling for “The new middle East” and the agreement they signed with Lebanon, although Hizbollah control the government there. February of this year.

    5 minutes search would reveal more…

    AMillionNames ,

    It’s not just Putin, there’s clear alliances forming: Russia, Iran, North Korea, Syria, China. Hamas was financed and trained by Iran, who have themselves been significantly supported by Russia. It seems that all MAD is doing is limiting the growing conflict to a Proxy World War.

    figaro , to world in Sweden charges Greta Thunberg for blockading oil port

    Absolutely amazing. For those who say are saying that it was too extremist of a position, I’d say fuck off. She is doing what we all need to be doing. Oil companies and governments aren’t going to help us out of the climate catastrophe that is coming. They simply aren’t. Capitalism will not allow it. This is the only option we have left.

    Cethin ,

    Well, that’s assuming they get to keep their money. My preference would be that we need to start taking it, but that likely won’t happen. They won’t help out of good will, but hopefully we can make them help by force.

    el_cordoba ,

    Something that intrigued me was how Martin Luther King managed to do so much through nonviolent protest. Rosa Parks refusal to give up her seat and the bus boycotts made people realize how absurd and unfair Jim Crow laws were.

    He even participated in a sit in at a department store and was arrested for it. People were getting arrested in such numbers for such simple things it made people think about what King and his followers were trying to do.

    I have no doubts that Ms. Thunberg has good intentions, but her protests are simply ineffective. In this case, “blockading” an oil port just frustrates people for delaying a crucial product.

    ice ,
    taigaman ,

    I don’t know, man. I’m not saying it was the best thing that could’ve been done, but at least she’s actually trying to get us to stop cooking ourselves. It wasn’t like she went full blown eco terrorist.

    el_cordoba ,

    Fair point, it isn’t the worst either. The thing I see though is people shouting over one another trying to push their agenda (noble or not) and all it does is make people more polarized. Just look at the comments on this post.

    intensely_human ,

    There are other problems in addition to global warming. The scientific reports I’ve heard of conclude that this is not a civilization killer. It’s a serious problem, but it’s not at the 100% serious level that it’s portrayed at.

    And that 100% serious level is not a place you want to be, in terms of responses, if your responses might cause other problems that could reach the 100% serious level.

    Like nuclear war. Nuclear war is a real possibility, and it’s something to avoid at all costs. It would be worse than global warming’s projected effects.

    So if we cause a nuclear war by taking actions to avoid climate change, we fucked up and killed ourselves by overreacting.

    I’m not saying it’s likely. I’m just giving some context into how the major changes being proposed scare some people. A lot of people see the economy and the power structures of the world and all of our fossil-fuel burning industry as a delicate system that is keeping us all fed enough to not be starting wars. Some people are more worried about fucking with that system than they are about climate change.

    An analogy would be if you were in a little shack in the wilderness, in the bitter cold winter, and you had a heater that was producing noxious fumes like carbon monoxide.

    It’s a really fucking serious problem to have th carbon monoxide in your air. So you’re like “let’s shut off the heater and replace it with blankets”. But if the blankets aren’t effective enough, you freeze to death.

    Another analogy would be facing a man-eating tiger while there’s a minefield behind you. Two dangers. And someone who only sees tiger will be like “what the hell are you doing?? This is life or death! Get away from that tiger!” but there’s a legit worry about that minefield too.

    Global warming is a new enemy of humanity. But we have to be careful that we don’t resurrect the old enemies of humanity while we’re fighting global warming: famine, war, disease, etc.

    Another analogy: human culture is a gigantic codebase that somehow runs. The code was written by developers who aren’t here any more. There’s very little documentation. And this program is running and providing us with food and peace. Mucking about in the code, even for very good reasons, could disrupt existing features that we rely on heavily.

    CountryBreakfast ,
    @CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    The second I saw MLK’s name I immediately though I was about to read a dogshit take. You did not disapoint.

    intensely_human ,

    I really don’t get comments like this. An insult, delivered in some slightly eloquent flourish. What’s the point?

    CountryBreakfast ,
    @CountryBreakfast@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    Thanks for you transparency but next time please refrain.

    Laticauda ,

    Do you have any fucking idea how the civil rights protests worked? Do you think MLK just asked everyone nicely to give black people rights pretty please? MLK did the exact same kind of thing as Greta, so don’t even fucking pretend you give half a shit about MLK when you’re making it crystal clear that you don’t know a goddamn thing about his methods or beliefs. You wanna know what MLK actually thought about violent protests? In his own words: “A riot is the language of the unheard.”

    I hate how often people like you use MLK to hide behind while misinterpreting him and ignoring everything he actually stood for.

    el_cordoba ,

    It’s frustrating when people think talking down to others is going to change minds. It’s no wonder progressive activists fail to make progress.

    If you expect people with different perspectives to get behind people like Greta you’ll want to adopt a better strategy. Otherwise, you’ll continue to polarize folks.

    Sirsnuffles ,

    I find it frustrating when people who are wrong, won’t change their minds.

    I don’t expect people who are devoid of reasoning to get behind anyone except themselves. Someone, I’m not invested in at all.

    With that being said, do you think it’s more reasonable to:

    Actually blockaid during a protest and get arrested, preventing future activism?

    Get media to spread an important message about some injustice, potentially gathering support for similar causes?

    Which one would be more effective, and why?

    Triumph ,

    There is no climate catastrophe, do some damn research. Ffs.

    ABCDE ,

    Scientists have done the research. What’s your excuse?

    PlaidBaron ,
    @PlaidBaron@lemmy.world avatar

    No no, when they say do your research they mean browse Facebook conspiracy groups, not actual scientific literature.

    Duh.

    friendlymessage ,

    grow up

    Laticauda ,

    I have, which is why I know there is a climate catastrophe.

    intensely_human ,

    Share your research. What have you read to conclude this?

    randon31415 , to technology in Asteroid behaving unexpectedly after Nasa's deliberate Dart crash

    …heard on the TV in the background while the main character is leaving the house.

    ElBarto ,
    @ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

    One of their neighbours has to be erratically throwing their family and stuff into the car, awkwardly saying hey to the main character as they jump in their car and speed off.

    SkaveRat ,
    VisualBuilder4 ,

    Man, there is a xkcd for everything …

    Hyperreality , to world in Sweden charges Greta Thunberg for blockading oil port

    “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

    John F. Kennedy, 1962

    theshatterstone54 ,

    I wish you were right. Look at Bulgaria. A year of peaceful protest, and the ones who were supposed to save us from the corrupt government made a coalition with them and thus rehabilitated the mafia government. I hope that I get proven wrong, and Kennedy is correct, but only time will tell.

    Pons_Aelius , to worldnews in Burger King faces legal claim saying Whopper is too small

    When I buy a new car, the car is the same as the one in the posters and built by the same people.

    A team of food stylists spent at least 30 minutes to create the perfect whopper for the add image and were paid 100 times more than an actual fast food employee to do so.

    Why that is allowed to represent something made in 30 seconds by someone on shit wages is beyond me.

    Especially_the_lies ,

    Not to mention that the food stylists create something that isn’t even edible. They frequently use things that aren’t food to make it look more palatable onscreen.

    Pons_Aelius ,

    I used to work in product photography. That is not true or legal here in Aus. The only thing they are allowed to use in the picture are ingredients used in store.

    I cannot speak to the laws in other markets but that is not the case everywhere.

    Of course they will go through hundreds of buns to find the perfect one etc, so it is still incredibly wasteful.

    Maestro ,
    @Maestro@kbin.social avatar

    Same thing in Europe. But I think in the US everything is allowed (surprise surprise)

    Klystron ,

    Freedom to manipulate and trick our consumers motherfucker 🦅

    StarServal ,
    @StarServal@kbin.social avatar

    Everything for the God of Profits

    lupec ,

    Surely that one must be related to Supply Side Jesus

    TheChefSLC ,

    While it doesn’t have to be “food”, it does have to be edible in the US…

    But that aside, burger king used to be good. It used to be decent sized and was almost worth the cost. Now on the other hand, it is so tiny and doesn’t feel remotely worth the price.

    In my area, they just closed about 5 locations this year, and to be honest, I am only sad about the few people losing their job at these locations.

    Burger King has gone so far down hill since 2020.

    AnUnusualRelic ,
    @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world avatar

    Everything is edible at least once.

    Tavarin ,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    Man that sucks, BK in Toronto is still a nice big burger, and on Whopper Wednesday it’s cheap so it’s definitely worth it. Shame the US side has gone to shit.

    insomniac ,
    @insomniac@sh.itjust.works avatar

    They’re still an absurdly huge burger at every Burger King near me in the US. The suit is alleging they’re smaller than the advertisements. Not sure what OP is talking about but one thing I’ve noticed about BK is they are wildly inconsistent from location to location so it might be even more regional.

    Raiderkev ,

    I heard it used to be, but isn’t anymore. Granted, this is hearsay with no source, but a buddy of mine who worked in advertising was telling me about it a while back. Could be wrong tho.

    Kelsenellenelvial ,

    Even in places where they have to use the actual ingredients, there’s a lot of tricks to making it look different in photos. That burger might only be partially cooked to reduce shrinkage, then the burger and bun are frozen so they hold shape for the photo. Vegetables carefully picked out and arranged, tomato/pickles blotted dry, and the sauce applied with an eye dropper to provide visual balance after the rest of the burger is stacked.

    I will say from my experience, that tends to apply to advertising photography for large franchises. If we’re taking about food photography associated with a high profile event or restaurant where food is actually served, there’s minimal difference between the photo plate and what’s actually served. Sometimes the photo plate is just one picked out while producing the ones being served, sometimes it’s the first/last plate and a person takes a minute to pick out the best looking of ingredients from the same container that was used to serve the rest. Sometimes it’s just an extra minute arranging the plate nicely compared to the last 150 that were done quickly to keep up with service. Often the photographer then gets to eat the plate they’ve just photographed.

    hypelightfly ,

    This lawsuit is not happening in Australia.

    Ricaz ,

    It should simply be considered false advertisement.

    You can probably legally require your money back, saying it looks nothing like the photos, but that’s not enough imo

    explodicle ,

    That’s why a big lawsuit is a better solution. They’ve already stolen the search cost from you, and are relying on you just giving up when you see your disappointment burger.

    masterspace ,

    Advertising is scum and I don’t understand why we allow it all.

    It does not help the economy to distract consumers all day as much as possible, all it does is let companies compete on the basis of who can spend the most on advertising or who can hire the most manipulative advertisers rather than who can make the best product.

    toomanyjoints69 ,

    People see pictures of North Korea and say “wow its so eerie something is wrong and i cant figure it out.”

    Its that there are no ads everywhere. People are conditioned to be comforted by disengeuous promises from ads, and are scared when there arent business signs everywhere.

    Its entirely achievable to have no ads. Ads are bad for everyone.

    N0_Varak ,

    Trust me that’s not the reason

    SheeEttin ,

    Vermont and Maine have banned billboard ads. It doesn’t feel like North Korea.

    toomanyjoints69 ,

    That sounds awesome! :o :D

    OKRainbowKid ,

    Yeah, ads are the reason people in NK are starving.

    zurohki ,

    Everyone thinks, “But advertising doesn’t work on me.” That’s why it’s still legal.

    ThePantser ,
    @ThePantser@lemmy.world avatar

    Advertising works on everyone. Just there are those of us that don’t impuls buy and look into and research the interesting product they just seen an ad for, before buying. But billboards those annoy the shit out of me. Like I know McDonald’s exists and there is a 70% chance there is one at the next exit, why do I need 4 billboards telling my there is a McDonald’s coming up in 5 exits?

    JustAManOnAToilet ,

    Because an alarming amount of drivers are doing any number of things besides looking out of the windshield and probably missed 3/4 of them.

    ApathyTree ,
    @ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    And this is why there’s a row of billboards advertising a sex store near me. I think there’s like 10 of them, and there’s always at least one with an anti-porn Jesus message in the mix. It’s kinda glorious.

    But billboards should be banned. They are a distraction, they ruin otherwise pleasant scenery, and we just don’t need the ads. We get enough ads, damn.

    Zippy ,

    I agree but it is a tough one to police. If your business is next to a road, can you advertise from there? What signage you allowed to put up? Only your own? What if you have two business on the same property? Both get a sign? What if you sell McDonalds a 5% stake in your land?

    But they are an eyesore. Hate them.

    ApathyTree ,
    @ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Not really that tough to police, they just need to put more robust and consistent regulations in place. There are already many regulations on building signage, and if billboards would be banned they would need to fully define what was banned so… I don’t see this actually being that much of a problem.

    For example, specifically the accessory vs advertising section: signsny.com/…/nyc-signs-rules-and-regulations

    zurohki ,

    Those billboards aren’t for you, they’re to remind the kids in the back that McDonald’s exists.

    theplanlessman ,

    Fun fact, most car advertising uses a computer generated car. Photoreal cars bave been achievable for years now and it just makes sense for them to do it as they can keep it looking flawless throughout the ad. There’s even a “mocap” car with an adjustable body to match the length/width etc. of the car it’s supposed to be that they can just pin the model to.

    Cylusthevirus , to world in Wagner boss Prigozhin killed in plane crash in Russia
    @Cylusthevirus@kbin.social avatar

    One of the cardinal rules of power struggles is "If you're gonna shoot for the king, don't miss."

    JustAManOnAToilet ,

    He just stopped. It was the most bizarre coup attempt, really.

    Cylusthevirus ,
    @Cylusthevirus@kbin.social avatar

    I mean he had to know, right? With guys like Putin if you go hot, you either kill him or he has you killed. There is no in-between. His entire image relies on that. Maybe they had Prigozhin's family or something?

    frezik ,

    It might be that he was counting on the support of one or more Generals. That fizzled at the last minute, and then he didn’t know what to do.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    Man didn’t even miss, he just got scared halfway through

    Montagge ,
    @Montagge@kbin.social avatar

    It was just a prank, bro!

    loobkoob ,
    @loobkoob@kbin.social avatar

    From what I gather, he backed down because all his top men's families were being threatened. Prigozhin's family was kept safe, of course, but I don't think they expected Russia to threaten the families of those further down the ladder.

    ShakeThatYam ,
    @ShakeThatYam@lemmy.world avatar

    This all just makes him seem naive and unprepared for the position he was in.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    I have a theory.

    I think the Slavic Russian Nazi a total dictator let run a private army might have been a little dumb.

    NathanielThomas ,

    halfway through the first day

    sab ,

    Furthermore,

    Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies

    -- Machiavelli in the Prince

    Not to call out Putin's Russia for being amateur hour, but the Prince is probably the first thing to read for an aspiring dictator.

    GiuseppeAndTheYeti ,

    Wait, I’m listening to The Prince in audiobook form. Does that mean I’m an aspiring dictator?

    sab ,

    Well, if you are, there might be a job opening in Russia for you soon!

    slaacaa ,

    “When you play the game of thrones, you win, or you die. There is no middle ground.”

    notapantsday ,

    When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die.

    formergijoe , to music in Jack Black cancels Tenacious D tour and places future projects on hold after Kyle Gass comments on Trump

    Oh Kyle, why did you say that? If you say your birthday wish out loud it won’t come true!

    Nacktmull , to technology in Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker sentenced to life in hospital prison

    The boy hacked Rockstar using a TV, a fire stick and a phone! I think he deserves a medal, a scholarship and a high payed job as a security consultant, not punishment. Instead they destroy his life for … being too smart and too talented?! Fuck capitalism!

    Tatters ,

    He sounds like a very troubled kid: “ The court heard that Kurtaj had been violent while in custody with dozens of reports of injury or property damage.”. He is deemed a danger to himself or others so is being placed is a secure hospital for safety, hopefully he will get treatment there. He will be released if the doctors deem he is no longer a danger.

    Nacktmull , (edited )

    Are there any reports of him being violent outside of custody though? If not, he is obviously not a danger to the public and the primary problem is that he was put in custody.

    militaryintelligence ,

    Yeah, but people saw a video game before it was released.

    Nacktmull ,

    The damage this monster did to society is immeasurable!

    r00ty Admin ,
    r00ty avatar

    I think the real problem (and not saying I agree, just the motivation of the legal system) is that he keeps saying he intends to keep breaking the laws he's been convicted of.

    In most countries, that doesn't go down well.

    Having said that, this is a stealth whole life tariff. These should be reserved for the most heinous crimes. The sadistic/multiple murderers and the like. Not compulsive hacking.

    ElBarto ,
    @ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Yeah people like to ignore the part where it says something along the lines of " he will stay in prison hospital for life or until a doctor determines he isn’t a danger to himself or society."

    r00ty Admin ,
    r00ty avatar

    I think the problem is that once institutionalised, it can be very hard to get out.

    But also it's quite important to remember they've determined he's a danger to society because he won't stop hacking. If that's the bar they're testing for, maybe it's a long wait in store.

    Maggoty ,

    The judge said they confined him because he said he’d do it again. Not because of violent outbursts, which without further information do not rise to the level of involuntary commitment.

    mannycalavera ,
    @mannycalavera@feddit.uk avatar

    Sounds like he had serious issues in life and wouldn’t likely be able to hold a job or complete a scholarship. Not to mention he’s ruined any form of trust you would need to be a security consultant.

    A mental health assessment used as part of the sentencing hearing said he “continued to express the intent to return to cyber-crime as soon as possible. He is highly motivated.”

    The jury was told that while he was on bail for hacking Nvidia and BT/EE and in police protection at a Travelodge hotel, he continued hacking

    This doesn’t sound like a kid that accidentally found some loopholes in a website and got lost down a rabbit hole. Instead it sounds like he deliberately knew what he was doing was wrong but didn’t give a shit and was quite happy to blackmail users why threatening to reveal their personal data he had stolen.

    Let’s hope they can reform him over time, poor kid.

    Mojojojo1993 ,

    How do you “reform” mental health. Would you reform van Gogh?

    Would you reform Joan of ark ?

    Pick any genius. It’s called savant. Education

    mannycalavera ,
    @mannycalavera@feddit.uk avatar

    LOL wut? 🤣

    Mojojojo1993 ,

    What part is confusing you ?

    StenSaksTapir ,

    For me it was the Joan of Arc thing.

    But I think more generally the implied notion that mentally unstable people shouldn’t be helped because of art.

    Mojojojo1993 ,

    Savants are on the spectrum but are genius. You cannot remove one without the other. The reason they are so brilliant is because part of the brain has been sacrificed to increase another part.

    Obviously treatment is still good but you can’t change it

    mannycalavera , (edited )
    @mannycalavera@feddit.uk avatar

    The part where you didn’t understand what I said, misinterpreted it so badly, assumed something that wasn’t implied, and went on a rant equating people with dangerous severe mental illness (as in the kid in the article) to people in the creative arts.

    Oh and also the Joan of Arc thing. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    Mojojojo1993 ,

    Haven’t explained it yet. Still waiting

    A_A ,
    @A_A@lemmy.world avatar

    Once I read that book describing many cases of extreme mental deviations like those you refer to here : having both extreme mental abilities in one very specific domain while having big social issues. You name a few historic cases of people which could very well be of this kind. People here reading what you write are skeptical (to put it politely) as I was at first reading that book, but those cases do exist,
    … and a few of us understand what you say.

    Mojojojo1993 , (edited )

    Appreciate it but I don’t really bother with what the masses think of me. Joan of arc I remember is thought to have had schizophrenia. However she had an uncanny ability to rally people around her. Not sure that could be classed as savant.

    The masses are generally unwilling to remove themselves from the status quo. Happy with their lives and just want a simple life.

    Why learn about anything.

    More than likely most of the most well known artist were so spectacular because they weren’t “normal” normal people do normal very well. They font excel and push the boundaries of human existence. Gotta be fucked out to push past that. Drugs can do it to some degree but for real greatness you need to be abnormal

    A_A ,
    @A_A@lemmy.world avatar

    Drugs can do it to dome degree

    “Drugs can do it to some degree” … you are typing very fast I guess … but still I understand and I agree. I am probably myself about 2xSigma outside of the norm and (mostly) happy to be so.
    You have clearly strong views which makes conversations more animated and interesting : I am happy to hear that you are fine with this.

    Take care, see you around 👍

    Mojojojo1993 ,

    Typing on phone can autocorrect for some reason. I’ve no idea about out of the norm, but I’d expect it to be pretty likely. No worries. Happy to converse whenever. I’m a bit head strong but happy to be proven wrong

    set_secret ,

    bro they lost a whole 10 million. (this is strong sarcasm).

    Nacktmull ,

    The horror!

    Joker ,

    I agree with most of what you said, but what the hell does it have to do with capitalism? He committed a crime and this is the justice system at work. Capitalism is irrelevant. I think a diversion program would have been more appropriate. He obviously has talent and needs to be redirected to apply it in more constructive ways that are legal.

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