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TypicalHog ,

IMO X is shorter, easier to say and cooler. I like it!

Haha ,

I’m starting to believe Elon never cared about twitter. He only bought the userbase and is doing whatever with it. That’s sad. Twitter is just not what it once was.

lumberjacked ,
@lumberjacked@lemmy.world avatar

I think that’s it. His vision is to try and make a WeChat competitor. As much as I hate it, I fear that if he can string along the investors for long enough he could actually maybe make it successful if he adds everything else to it.

But the Fediverse is growing too which is better. Let Musk and Zuck have their dick measuring competition and let’s build something better over here!

Haha ,

yayyyyyyyyyyyy

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

He very obviously did not want to buy Twitter; he tried for months to get out of it but because of stupid things he had publicly said, if he had failed to go through with it, he might have been up on criminal market manipulation charges. He was forced to purchase it by legal action from Twitter after he said the stupid things.

isVeryLoud ,

Huh???

Elon bought Twitter by accident, he’s stuck with it. Chances are he’s either playing with it until it implodes, or he’s turning it into something else entirely with the benefit of an existing user base.

Leviathan ,

It’sstrange to me to see people waxing nostalgic about Twitter when it’s always been a cesspit.

NatoBoram ,

A consistent cesspit that wasn’t dying because of management’s stupid decisions and that was enshittified slower than other services

Haha ,

I never used it. I just mean, the blatant transformation of the platform (going from twitter to X) and so on. I know it meant something to people.

wramble ,

Nah man, the ultrawealthy are used to having some avenue of publishing that they own. Bezos has the Washington Post, Twitter was supposed to be his “newspaper” so to speak.

Except he’s a clown and can’t keep from sticking his dick in everything so he just went ahead and fucked it.

Haha ,

that’s fair

T3rr4T3rr0r ,
@T3rr4T3rr0r@kbin.social avatar

Honestly twitter was already pretty awful. He just somehow made it awfuler

o0joshua0o ,

He has so thoroughly ruined Twitter that you can’t help but wonder if that was his goal from the outset.

Username02 ,

Narcissists like him would never seek failure intentionally.

thefartographer ,

You’ve obviously never played a board game with a narcissist. Flipping over the table and calling everyone, including the game they themselves purchased, cheaters is a totally expected move.

hoshikarakitaridia ,

They’re not doing that to lose. They’re doing that because they already lost.

PeleSpirit ,

You’re not wrong but he bought it at an extremely overpriced amount so he did already kind of lose.

thefartographer ,

I GUESS YOU’RE RIGHT, LIKE YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BE!

- Knocks phone over -

Fucking cheaters

festus ,

Musk ‘lost’ when he had to spend the $44 billion. I can totally believe that he’s burning Twitter out of spite from having to buy it.

Contend6248 ,

That is quite fitting

balder1991 ,

It’s just like Michael from The Office. You see he isn’t doing things on purpose to sabotage everyone, but he can’t control it, he needs the attention and the self worship.

deranger ,

Thanks for this analogy, it’s going to help me see the world in a funnier light.

newIdentity ,

Actually the number of Twitter users increased

o0joshua0o ,

Really?!? That’s surprising.

SlopppyEngineer ,

Those are all the flies attracted to shit.

Kara ,
@Kara@kbin.social avatar

If it's active users increased I'd be surprised, but if it's not I wouldn't be, most people probably don't delete accounts when they stop using them

RubiksIsocahedron ,

“Users”

ArchmageAzor ,
@ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world avatar

Elon is a narcissistic idiot, but that’s all he is. He bought the same crap his own PR team was peddling a few years ago, figured he didn’t need his PR team because he was so great (according to propaganda they spread), and went on to confidently make idiotic decisions because of course the real life Tony Stark can make no mistakes

appel , (edited )

To what end, though? The man blew 44b on a site that apparently was only worth 5-10b, and that was before he ran it into the ground. He also destroyed his reputation and the mystique as “genius entrepreneur” which the world can now clearly see he never was.

I can’t think of a single net positive. I think it’s an age old tale with people with too much money: he fell victim to an over inflated ego and too many yes men aiming to please. He started to believe he really was brilliant.

Sad thing is the man has so much money he still can’t fail, personally. He’ll have destroyed Twitter and even more people will lose their jobs. And autocrats around the world will be pleased. Musk will just shrug, tell himself it wasn’t his fault, “it was the libs” or something, and move on.

Eta: the only winners here, as per usual, are the shareholders.

Huschke ,

Elon jet tracker has way less of a following now.

appel ,

True, but it popped up on other platforms, effectively defederating. And you probably jest, but if not: 44b is a lot more than the 5k he initially offered the guy to take it down.

Ubermeisters ,

To reduce the ability of the 99% to interact with each other on a basis that results in change of the 1% methodology.

The people running this nation and the rest of the world absolutely do not want us getting together and figuring out how to make change effectively. I’m pretty sure it’s why they keep ruining all of the social networks, we can’t unite if there’s not a platform for us to do so on…

MullMaster ,

Take any of the top 3 social platforms, then have a look at their total number of users. If we were going to go unite, that shit probably would have happened by now. Instead we post memes about billionaires.

Moob ,

Foil hat time. Twitter was at one point a huge communications platform. People got news and opinions on daily happening almost immediately. He has successfully purchased that platform and destroyed the faith people had in it, in time for some of the most controversial events in recent history.

appel ,

I mean, sure, assuming he doesn’t mind paying for that with 44 billion of his own dollar bucks, the devaluation of his other companies and the evaporation of his personal reputation.

Moob ,

Which is where my conspiracy theory falls apart. It mainly rests on fact that most of these decisions seem deliberate. Even an idiot by this point might start worrying about the loss of money. As much as he has, 40bil is considerable.

PeleSpirit ,

It’s not his money though, so your theory hasn’t really fallen apart. Some of it his money but he’s been hanging with the saudis and murdoch.

sfgifz ,

Considering that most of the market was stupidly overpriced, if you had 100b of worth in overpriced stock, and you had to choose between spending it or waiting for it to lose value over the next few months, what would you do?

PeleSpirit ,

I wouldn’t buy Twitter, fire everyone, chase off a lot of the good people and then change the name. If I felt like Twitter was the only plan, I would have negotiated a fair price, worked with the people on what was already working and wasn’t, kept everyone on until you knew how it ran, kept the worldwide, known name and probably paid my rent, lol. I’m not a “genius” in business, but I do know that this is probably the best I could have done.

sfgifz ,

Okay okay, now add the egotistical jerk trait and reevaluate the scenario?

You forget that it was an impulse offer, and he thought that most people that work at the company did not deserve to work there. He grossl overestimated how many new slave devs would be willing to replace the devs he fired. Experienced devs still get good pay and offers they don’t need to grind for cheap for Elon.

PeleSpirit ,

Can’t relate, I have no idea.

mibo80 ,

I just want to add he’s used tweets to manipulate stock prices before and it put the SEC on his ass. He’s familiar with how making public announcements like that can come across to the law at that point. Even though he wasn’t punished he knew where he the line was drawn well before he “impulsively” crossed it. Twitter was a haven for actual journalism and journalists who live by ethics knowing damn well the consequences for libel and slander. The stories they pushed had a massive influence on undoing his image and it keeps going. Same with his Saudi co investor and Larry Ellison. These guys all know what it was really worth.

mrginger ,
@mrginger@lemmy.world avatar

Tax write off perhaps?

glockenspiel ,

It is most definitely his money. He is using his real source of wealth, Tesla stock, as collateral to secure the loans. $44 billion worth of Tesla stock. And when you sell off a huge amount, as would happen in the case of the collateral being seized, it would tank the rest of his wealth which is mostly in non-collateralized (as far as we know, in relation to Twitter) Tesla stock. Investors knowing that $44 billion of Tesla stock will be liquidated–even if slowly–by creditors would make prices tank.

Elon’s rich. Like all rich people, he is inherently immoral and opportunistic, holding no allegiance to his species nor country of residence (“world citizens” are a blight yet most countries still let them buy citizenship–that’s true class solidarity while they get us fighting over stupid shit like transgender Chess Grandmasters). I have a feel that you are correct in that he’s been earning money from the Saudis and Murdochs and many others. But the main source of his wealth is still in the market. A source which he pumped up with market manipulation because the SEC is a captured entity run exclusively for the benefit of the parasites at the top.

But it feels like arguing around the edges a bit. Elon is just not good at this. He has failed upward his entire life which is why he had to buy his way into basically every successful enterprise he is credited for. Rich people, especially nepo babies like Elon, don’t succeed because they are better. They succeed because the upper class ensures that their class succeeds, because the alternative is the working class becoming their peers. And they can’t have that.

Vlyn ,

44b sounds like a lot of money (it is!), but his net worth right now is 219b after this fiasco. At this point it’s just a score between rich assholes who got the bigger number.

You could take 200b away from his evaluation and he could still retire on a yacht and not work a single day in the next 100 years. Same for his children and his children’s children.

So yeah, “bad” financial investment, but it might be worth for him to kill one of the biggest platforms where he was called out for his bullshit.

appel ,

Totally valid point.

wahming ,

Thing is, now ALL the platforms are calling out his BS. I don’t think he would have sold his golden boy reputation for any price, given the choice

mrginger ,
@mrginger@lemmy.world avatar

Chop one head off…

EliasChao ,

To be fair, Elon doesn’t all have that money in cash. Also, like half of the Twitter buyout was made possible with a loan where he used his a Tesla stocks for like half of the operations as collateral.

Although I agree that he’s far from being broke, this can become a pretty bad financial decision to Elon.

kaba0 ,

That 44b had to be paid in real cash, not just the current theoretical value of the sum of his shares. He sold quite a lot of Tesla shares afaik to banks to give them a “small loan”.

Vlyn ,

Lol, “real cash”, look it up what he actually did. He took a loan in the name of Twitter, so he didn’t even use his own money. Pretty much financing half of the deal with the theoretical value of the company he just bought. And he took in extra money from Saudi investors, it’s not all his money.

There was never a 44b “real cash” transaction.

Sludgehammer ,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

IMO Mush was trying to run a simple pump and dump scheme with Twitter stock. You know, make some statements about ho he’s going to buy it at a massively inflated price, sell all the stock during the uptick and then suddenly find some issue with the sale and leave. However, during the “make some statements” phase he managed to make some legally binding statements and Twitter and their lawyers held him to them.

So there’s no agenda or plan really, just a larger version of the Dogecoin pump and dumps that Mush has done in the past. It’s just this time rather than some crypto rubes he tried running it on a company with lots of lawyers and it blew up in his face.

appel ,

Agreed, very plausible scenario. It played out that way as well, right up to the part where his lawyers told him “you legally can’t actually walk away from this deal”.

PHLAK ,
@PHLAK@lemmy.world avatar

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

CrypticCoffee ,

I wonder if his goal isn’t for Twitter to be successful. I’m wondering if political influence will help to get cushty deals or legislative changes favourable to Tesla or SpaceX.

Why worry about losing $30bn from one hand when you gain $100bn in another?

BastingChemina ,

Honestly even if the executive wanted to crash Twitter on purpose I’m not sure they could have done as good as Musk.

He’s carefully destroying the brand, the infrastructure, the finances and the credibility of Twitter.

You can’t be too quick because then people would take about for maybe a month and move over.

No it had to be slow and painful so everyone start to really hate it.

KrisND ,

Is there a need to have a lemmy and Mastodon?

bamboo ,

Theoretically they’re somewhat interoperable but if you plan on using both you’ll probably have a better experience having an account on an instance of each service.

KrisND ,

Yeah, I think that’s what I’m gonna do. I wanna try it out, I haven’t used any popular social network in years though.

mind ,

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    Madbrad200 ,
    @Madbrad200@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Only technically true. The two don’t work super well together, Mastodon is a better frontend if you’re looking for a microbloggingn experience.

    Jilanico ,
    @Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

    How do you follow a mastodon account from lemmy?

    gila ,
    @gila@lemmy.world avatar

    My understanding is that isn’t correct - in Lemmy you currently can follow Mastodon communities, but not users (following users on any fediverse platform including Lemmy itself just isn’t a part of Lemmy yet). I believe it’s planned to be implemented, but this is one thing differentiating Lemmy and Kbin - you can currently follow Mastodon users in Kbin, and in that case I think it’s just the same way you’d follow another Kbin user. To find their user page it would just be kbin.social/u/[email protected] instead of kbin.social/u/user, so I assume it would be similar for Lemmy once implemented

    Jilanico ,
    @Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

    in Lemmy you currently can follow Mastodon communities

    How do you follow mastodon communities?

    gila ,
    @gila@lemmy.world avatar

    I think “communities” term is used on Mastodon in reference to what are “instances” on Lemmy. I’m talking about communities as they apply to Lemmy - in Mastodon I think they’re generally called a “group” account. You subscribe to them in Lemmy mostly the same as how you’d subscribe to a Lemmy community on a different instance. e.g. go to your.lemmy.instance/c/[email protected] and subscribe. Or just search for the Mastodon group on the Lemmy communities page, making sure the filters are set to “All”. To find a Mastodon user page is the same, just /u/ instead of /c/. You just can’t follow or subscribe to the user pages because that’s not currently a feature in Lemmy, but you can for groups/communities

    Jilanico ,
    @Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

    Hmmm doesn’t seem to work for me. Do you have a link in Lemmy to a mastodon group I can subscribe to, just to try it out?

    gila ,
    @gila@lemmy.world avatar

    Upon looking to this further I’m not sure if it actually works as I understood it to, due to the way group services are handled currently in Mastodon. Clearly there is some sort of flag in Activitypub on group accounts to indicate to other apps that it is a group account, because e.g. lemmy.ml/c/[email protected] works and you can follow it but the same link substituting /c/ for /u/ does not work. And for normal user accounts, the inverse is true.

    However, aside from that flag, my understanding is they are essentially just user accounts that boost any posts from followers that mention the account handle, which causes the boosted post to show in the feed for all followers of the account. Since that account isn’t actually posting the posts that it boosts, I guess it makes sense that activity wouldn’t be visible in Lemmy, where boosts don’t exist. Following this logic no posts would be displayed, and that’s what is observed. Initially I thought this was because no one on the instance had followed the group yet, because e.g. lemmy.world/c/[email protected] does show posts while lemmy.ml/c/[email protected] does not. The same group on a.gup.pe also shows more posts on lemmy.ml/c/[email protected].

    It’s hard for me to make sense of what’s going on here (especially as I don’t microblog or use Mastodon personally) because clearly the Mastodon content is federating through the lemmy instance, but I’ve only been able to observe a subset of it and I haven’t been able to figure out the parameters that have caused some posts to be visible in Lemmy but not others.

    Jilanico ,
    @Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

    Interesting 🤔 thanks for looking into this!!

    ICE_WALRUS ,

    From what I heard mastodon is formatted more like twitter whereas lemmy is more like reddit.

    ultrasquid ,

    You could use only one, but browsing lemmy through mastodon (and vice versa) isn’t a great experience, so its recommended to have an account on both.

    Jilanico ,
    @Jilanico@lemmy.world avatar

    If you want just one account to experience both, use kbin.

    KrisND ,

    I’m gonna give that a try and see, before I spend time making an account. Thanks for the recommendation!

    Desistance ,
    @Desistance@lemmy.world avatar

    Lemmy would be soaring too if it weren’t for terrible database code allowing for easy ddos.

    Speculater ,
    @Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

    Hopefully they can fix that issue and the communist communities stop having hissy fits.

    JoYo ,
    @JoYo@lemmy.ml avatar

    they’re prob ddosing themselves for failing the purity tests.

    DarthBueller , (edited )

    I had one tell me “you know nothing about communism, stop talking,” and I was like, oh, that’s right, I know nothing despite being well informed about the history of workers movements going back to the 1840s, Das Kapital, the Manifesto, and despite these noble ideals, the fact that every single communist government relied on purges to accomplish its goals, formed an exclusionary ruling class, and were corrupt as fuck. Fucking teenagers and their black and white thinking.

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    When people say stuff like that it’s not about politics, it’s straight up about gatekeeping.

    WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

    But you see, that wasn’t real Communism. Communism is a great and perfect egalitarian society by definition, so when it inevitably devolves into just another brand of stratification and oppression then it’s not Communism anymore. Next time it’ll work, though. We’ll still follow exactly the same formula that’s failed spectacularly every time it’s been tried, but this time it’ll work. For reasons. And if you say otherwise you’re just a status-quo liberal (never mind the fact that those supposed status-quo liberals are the ones implementing real tangible change that actually affect peoples’ lives while all the Communists do is endlessly wank about some glorious revolution that’ll happen some time in the nebulous future.)

    Vlyn ,

    Try using a smaller instance. I recently switched from lemmy.world to lemmy.zip and it’s lightning fast. While you still get all the content from lemmy.world :)

    Khrux , (edited )

    I find it interesting how many people are looking for the overall lemmy experience. The first thing I did was find the community niche that interested me and the relevant instance, then when I’ve exhausted that instance I switch to the Everything tab and all find the generic content.

    Edit: I accidentally wrote fine the community niece…

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    How did you like the community niece?

    WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

    They fined her, so they obviously thought she did something wrong.

    Khrux ,

    Man, this is what I get for being illiterate.

    Khrux ,

    Oops

    anarchy79 ,
    @anarchy79@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah that’s what I said after my first community niece too.

    HonoraryMancunian ,

    I find it interesting how many people are looking for the overall lemmy experience

    I’m one of them. I use Sync so the whole caboodle feels like just one site to me, whether it’s the Everything feed or my subscribed.

    (I am not a techy person)

    Khrux ,

    I also use sync, although I bought the lifetime ad-free version for Reddit years ago for like $5 and now it’s $100 which I can’t afford here which is a shame. Still, it’s my favourite app and I’m very familiar with it.

    bug ,

    A hundred dollarydoos for an app to view a free website!?

    Khrux ,

    It’s the reddit pricing swapped over exactly, I’m not outright against an independent app creator having a paid option, because it’s a very high quality app that deserves support, but I do feel it’s soo steep. There are also subscription options but I never take those, and the ads are reasonably unobtrusive.

    bug ,

    So the developer has no underlying API cost to justify it and is pocketing it all? Obviously they can charge what they want and people can spend their money however they like, but this seems like an absolute con!

    Khrux ,

    The developer is definitely pocketing it all, however they were very active on Reddit in maintaining and improving the app with the most quality of life options I’ve seen across any app. Honestly if the paid option was $10, I’d go for it, since I get hundreds of hours of use out of it. Also back in the reddit days, you could find the paid version for free online pretty easily.

    Tygr ,

    I think I’m up to 5 lemmy instances now. Various reasons that others will figure out as they gain experience.

    tlit341569 ,

    switched from LW to discuss online

    Draconic_NEO ,
    @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

    At least it’s open for collaboration so people who can or help contribute to fix bugs for them are able to do so. That’s the beauty of open source, anyone can help out.

    Franzia ,

    I find Mastodon very stuffy and boring, is there a way to shake up my feed? I feel like I’m missing something about how the app works.

    tty84 ,
    @tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    have a look here lemmyverse.net/communities

    ShadowRam ,

    Why isn't kbin magazines in that list of communities?

    Staccato ,

    I agree… it feels like the Fediverse doesn’t quite have the same algorithms that the single-corporation services have, and I feel it most in the search to broaden the content I see. Hopefully the exploratory element picks up as time goes on!

    rob_t_firefly ,
    @rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world avatar

    The Fediverse doesn’t do algorithmic pushing and that’s a feature, not a bug.

    The main ways to find new stuff on Mastodon are all actions taken by you, the user:

    1. Hashtags. Watch and follow hashtags you like. Hashtags are the main way stuff is categorized, and if you use them liberally on your own posts and find others posting to those same tags you can find accounts which align with those interests of yours.
    2. Home. Check out stuff in the “home” timeline which will be your neighbors on your own Mastodon instance. (In the case of general instances this isn’t so helpful, but in those instances themed around a hobby, subculture, geographical area, etc. you know you have that common ground with your neighbors to start with.)
    3. Boosts. When you find people and accounts to follow, they boost (reblog/retweet) things they like, you find things to boost, etc. and it all works like a friend introducing you to their other friends, friends of friends, etc. leading to your own circle of friends increasing.

    All these are things you do and you have to put a little work in to make them happen, but it’s purely fueled by your own interests and wants instead of the traditional social-media algorithm which does a little aligned-interest stuff but is mostly powered by whoever has money to pay the platform to force them into your timeline. On Twitter or Facebook you get shown what the platform thinks they can get paid by showing you. On the Fediverse the rules of invasive centralized ad-choked personal-data-harvesting social media don’t apply; you get shown what you actually want and request.

    It’s different and change can be scary, but when you get used to the idea that things don’t have to work the old way anymore it can end up being a good thing.

    ebenixo ,

    Thank God it doesn’t

    30isthenew29 ,

    If you think about it, this is actually the old way.

    30isthenew29 ,

    If you think about it, this is actually the old way.

    regalia ,

    It’s a bad feature lol. It should have algo content as an option. I’m tired of getting gaslighted and being told I’m not allowed to think this. We’re on Lemmy because of its algo content with the active/hot feeds. That doesn’t translate to Mastodon boosts.

    Peacemeal12 ,
    @Peacemeal12@kbin.social avatar

    Exactly, the reality is when I open Twitter I see content that is at least relevant to my interests, where as the sorting on Mastodon are of things that are of absolutely no interest. There's a lot that you can say about algorithms, but there's a reason it was the way it was in the first place.

    Double_A ,
    @Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    The problem is that I as an user don’t necessarily know what I want to see. What if there is some super interesting hashtag out there, but I don’t even know that it exists?

    Staccato ,

    I simply haven’t found as many good engaging posts in Mastodon, though, despite all that. It could be simply the challenge of building an interesting feed when you start from zero, but that’s a challenge nonetheless.

    Algorithmic identification of novel content is in my mind neither intrinsically sinister nor beneficial; like all things, it’s a tool and the morality comes out of how it is used.

    Things like (optional) recommendation tools could be a useful addition to Mastodon to help users find interesting threads. Could be run on a per instance basis.

    figaro ,

    I’d recommend following the hashtags you want to see. It’s sort of a build-your-own algorithm

    towerful ,

    This is a huge thing about the fediverse.
    Users are used to being told what they want (algorithms) without any choice (centralised and only platform).
    Whereas Lemmy and Mastodon require users to curate their stuff.
    Perhaps some “meta fedi” sites would be useful. Things that generate lists of hashtags, instances and users “shake up” your experience

    schnurrito ,

    Reddit also used to be that way. FFS I think the best time on the Internet was that when we were all on traditional phpBB-style forums, where there was no “algorithm” at all (though I admit the concept doesn’t scale well and they too have their structural problems).

    KaleDaddy ,

    God i miss traditional forums

    Serinus ,

    Have you seen the maple syrup meme video? (Sorry for the TikTok link.)

    www.tiktok.com/

    This was a pretty amazing feature of everyone using Reddit. Lemmy isnt close to that for specific interests yet. League of Legends was one of the biggest subreddits, but any league community here is basically dead.

    It’s a lot harder to get critical mass for Lemmy than it is for Mastodon. And Mastodon migration hasn’t been what I think it should be. A good, reliable, large instance on .com or .net domain would probably go a long way for adoption.

    Mozilla is supposedly releasing mozilla.social Mastodon instance I’m early 2023. Any day now… But it’s understandable if they want to wait for some event to open.

    steltek ,

    I found fishing for (and following) hashtags on Mastodon effective but Mastodon was also in much better shape to receive the waves of Twitter exoduses.

    Lemmy lacks effective tools to organize a feed. I think many people recreated their favorite subreddits as communities but the userbase was too small to support them. Being able to create “multi-reddits” to group related micro-communities together to help mitigate the ghost town feeling as you raise the probably of at least one of them having something new to talk about.

    meldroc ,

    I think naturally, Lemmy will gravitate to fewer, more generalized communities instead of many little hyper-specialized ones.

    towerful ,

    I’d love to see more smaller communities, tho. But, how to group communities?
    Geographically is one way, if you want local news and banter.
    By interest is another, if you want YouTube news/content but not Twitch news/content. Or just more generally “streaming content”?

    It is an impossible problem to solve easily.
    And the risk of any instance suddenly going offline is very real. Which means, gravitating to a more technically adept or well funded instance makes sense.

    I feel like the current federation separation system isn’t going to work. Or it’s going to be “good enough” for a good while, but not really click.
    Idk if separating “user instances” and “content instances” is better. Then some sort of “meta instances” that everyone actually interacts with.
    Content instances can more specialise in the content they provide.
    User instances specialise is currating their users.
    And meta instances link users to content.
    But then, that massively overcomplicates things. And who is going to want to run a user instance? Or a meta instance? Or a content instance? All require investment and work.

    steltek ,

    I think that would have been a healthier start, to focus attention and generate some liveliness, but people’s preconceived notion is “Reddit” so that’s where community creation went.

    towerful ,

    Re-reading your post before I hit submit… I think I am just repeating what you are saying!

    What I was saying:

    I think the solution is “meta instances” or “meta communities” or “meta aggregators”.
    A community or instance that aggregates the smaller communities.
    And some way for smaller communities to submit content to that aggregator.
    Like, I’m browsing my instance’s “all”. I find a good meme that suits my “programming memes” interest. So, I submit that post to the aggregator.

    Essentially like cross posting, but a community of all crossposts and everything is treated like it’s on the original instance.
    But as a primary feature. Where it’s easy to “submit to aggregate subscription” or whatever.

    But then we would get every instance with their own meta-community, and it’s just a complication on top of communities and instances.

    steltek ,

    But then we would get every instance with their own meta-community, and it’s just a complication on top of communities and instances.

    The trick is to have meta-meta-communities to aggregate the aggregators :)

    Turun ,

    Putting a list of similar instances and communities in the sidebar would help a ton. Yes, there is a list of communities on every instance, but I’m not scrolling through a hundred rows trying to determine which I might like based on the names.

    meldroc ,

    Curation is the term. The question is how our doomscrolling is curated. Go to the big sites, they curate for engagement, and thus ragebait.

    Here, maybe we need some communities that have people curating in a more positive direction…

    terminhell ,

    This is a welcome change tbh. All these other platforms push rage bait and crap just to drive engagement numbers.

    It’s refreshing to go back a little to how the Internet used to be. You had to go and find what you liked, not have a million things pushed on you.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Subscribe to the hashtags you’re interested in.

    stefanlaser ,
    @stefanlaser@slrpnk.net avatar

    Tools help, and because the Fediverse API is completely accessible, folks have already come up with awesome stuff.

    • Populate your following list by finding friends, the Fedifinder still appears to work and helps find friends from Twitter on Masto: fedifinder.glitch.me
    • Now find friends of friends, the wider social graph. Followgraph works wonders: followgraph.vercel.app
    • Now you will likely miss posts, so try following updates of people if you really enjoy their content, plus of course pinning hashtags. PLUS. Up your game with an algorithm, either in the dedicated Mastodon app (trending posts) or with more customisation through the app Fediview: fediview.com Using Mastodon Digest (GitHub), you could also set up your own automation script.
    • Folks have created lists and groups you can mass subscribe. The most successful one I know is from and for academics, perhaps there is a field for you in there. Journalists have similar stuff. See github.com/nathanlesage/academics-on-mastodon
    • There are many awesome apps out there to access your content, improving the experience. I recommend Phanpy because of its unique and sleek design, see phanpy.social. If you miss Quote Tweets and other stuff, try an app like Elk.
    • Mastodon is only one option, if you want all of Twitter’s tools and more cool stuff, try Firefish. You can migrate followers and posts. This way, you can skip many external tools.

    And that’s just the beginning.

    Franzia ,

    This is a brilliantly helpful reply.

    Moshpirit ,
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    Follow hagstags and accounts you like. Also ask for follow recommendations and introduce yourself, some hosts share introductions to people.

    veloxization ,
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    Follow a lot of people to fill up your feed. Be generous with it, and if someone you followed continuously posts something you’re not interested in, you can just unfollow, or put up a filter so those posts from that person do not show up.

    There’s also a feature to follow hashtags so they appear in your home feed, so just search hashtags of things you find interesting. That’s a good way to find new people to follow as well! Advanced web view also allows you to make feeds for specific hashtags or hashtag combinations for even more control.

    And if you happen to find an instance catered to your specific interests, you can make an account there, and you can even migrate an existing account so your followers come with. Chances are the local feed will be filled up with content you enjoy on such an instance.

    And if you want to help your followers discover similar people, be sure to boost content you enjoy.

    On Mastodon, you are in control of your feeds. Even on the federated timeline, to an extent (as filters work there as well).

    Stinkywinks ,

    Why are people so fucking addicted to Twitter? It’s just people posting a few sentences about shit I see on the Internet already. But what do I know, I’ve gone my entire life without using the stupid shit. Maybe I’m not taking into account how many people want to be internet celebrities with their parroted tweets and recycled jokes. Why is it so hard to make another site where dumbass celebrities can feed 2 lines to the drooling masses?

    t_jpeg ,

    Twitter culture (depending on what parts of twitter you were on) was really hard to explain. Unless you used it and really knew how to, you don’t really get the benefit from it. Its feed structure combine with post length and algorith meant that it was really easy for you to know what other people were saying about things going on right now (reality shows, football matches etc). It also made searching for news so easy (due to its Trending feature), so you were kept in the loop about things.

    The meme culture of Twitter was also very unique. I can say with absolute confidence that Twitter memes were bomb (before Musk ruined it). Way better than any memes I’d come across on Reddit or Lemmy so far.

    The only problem is you had to take Twitter in small doses. Stan culture and cyber-bullying culture were real negatives of Twitter. Certain people on that app were unhinged and that went unchecked because of how echo-chambers were set by the algorithm. You really had to check yoursel to make sure you weren’t being corrupted, especially because cyber-bullying was so normalised there (at least in my experience).

    Mr_Blott ,

    I’ve never used it either, but it’s a fact that 90% of the memes on twitter used to come from Reddit, then end up on twitter, then be reposted back on Reddit a week later when someone “found it on twitter”

    t_jpeg ,

    Well that’s not true because most memes on Twitter were made directly on the platform. Reddit memes were extremely dry in comparison to Twitter’s.

    danielton ,
    @danielton@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m there for the artists. A ton of artists share their artwork on Twitter because of the enshittification of deviantART. I am not sure where they will end up now.

    GarrettBird ,

    It was really good for artists and entertainers (streamers included) to gain a following

    Stinkywinks ,

    Wouldn’t you have to care about nfts though? I feel like I’d rather have their art on a T-shirt.

    ActionHank ,

    I like the idea of referring to it only as “The social media site formerly known as Twitter” from here on out.

    PersnickityPenguin ,

    Also “former bird site” has a nice ring to it

    Excrubulent ,
    @Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

    I use the historical name, twitter, because to the extent future historians will have to talk about it, that’s the name they’ll use. I cannot imagine it will do anything of relevance from this point forwards except as a glaring example of the failures of capitalism.

    Wilker ,
    @Wilker@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    the name “X” is just a bunch of pollution to other topics that happens to have something of the same name. i hate it.

    qwerty ,

    Ex-twitter

    jayrodtheoldbod ,

    that’s cool. The Masto instance I’ve been on for the last half year is no longer available and I’ll have to start over because I didn’t have a main and a back up account like I ended up with on Lemmy, but sure, that’s alright. I have no idea what happened, the instance still has a blank page up, but it ain’t Mastodon.

    I was finally feeling moved in but now, kaput.

    I don’t think this thing was really ready for absolutely everyone on Twitter to bail onto it, is the problem. I don’t think it was ever supposed to be. It was always supposed to be like a clubhouse for people who didn’t mind being the dweebs of the internet.

    xcxcb ,

    For everyone on Twitter to bail onto it there would need to be an instance with the same level of funding and infrastructure as Twitter to support it.

    Kaldo ,
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    Mastodon will never be a twitter replacement simply because of lack of algorithm and proper content discovery, but seemingly the devs and admins there are fine with it and prefer it that way. It is definitely not filling my need for curated news and discovery of new interests that twitter used to provide before it went to shit, seems like bluesky might take over that function since most big content creators are shilling their bs pages nowadays.

    thehatfox ,
    @thehatfox@lemmy.world avatar

    The lack of algorithms is what a lot of Mastodon users like about the platform. Many just want a timeline of posts of the accounts nd hashtags they follow.

    There is also room for both to exist, one doesn’t have to replace the other.

    Kaldo ,
    @Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

    That's pretty much what I said, and I'm not saying its the wrong choice for them - it just means that Mastodon can never be the replacement for twitter, yet people keep bringing it up as an alternative. I personally want news that I care about and on mastodon it all gets buried in a chronological feed filled with irrelevant stuff I don't care about. I'd probably like it if it only consisted of close friends that I care about, so its like a tightly knit social network, but not when its randoms across the world with some very hot or annoying takes.

    And I'd love an alternative but bluesky is gonna have the same issue as twitter, its owned by the same type of people and actually funded by twitter the company from what i read. It's just trading one devil for another.

    jerkface ,
    @jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

    Mastodon doesn’t want to replace twitter. Twitter is shit. Mastodon is already far better than twitter. Mastodon depends on twitter continuing to exist so that twitter can suck up all the shit and leave the rest of us in peace.

    If you were getting your news from Twitter, it probably turned you into an idiot already! So no worries.

    randomperson ,

    Sounds just like Lemmy and any other fediverse service.

    markon ,

    Thank you Elon ❤️ 🤣🤣

    TenTypekMatus ,
    @TenTypekMatus@lemmy.world avatar

    We really love you. 🤣🤣🤣👌

    Fireinthehole101 ,

    Good, Twitter is a disgrace to humanity

    scottywh ,

    Honestly, I joined Twitter begrudgingly in 2015 after ignoring it for years only because I thought it might be easy to keep up with some interesting news before it hit Reddit… and it worked for a while…

    Now, I just wonder why I’m still there at all.

    I also don’t.see why I might want a mastodon account at this point though… I don’t feel like I need a replacement for something that I never really liked…

    ActionHank ,

    I feel the same about Mastodon. I just want to be social with my friends, not on broadcast to a bunch of randos. It makes sense for brands and I guess people who commercialize their identity. But I don’t really care about trying to keep up with the lives of brands or really people i don’t know, so i haven’t want or need for such a site. Also I prefer to catch up with someone for real. Like tell me what you did when we hang out next. I don’t want to sit there and pretend like your trip to wherever is news because i already casually saw all the pictures you posted a month ago. And if we are never going to meet again, then I don’t need to know what you do with the rest of your life. I like this format much better. Ego is much less in effect and people can just bounce ideas and jokes around. Reddit though… most of the user base is still over there. I’ve stopped posting and voting entirely. Full lurk mode.

    scottywh ,

    You and I have very similar attitudes on this it seems for sure.

    Fuck reddit and mastodon and twatter and all of it at this point …

    Lemmy is pretty good and I’m content with it for the most part.

    nutsack ,

    my engagement rates on mastodon and bluesky have been significantly higher than twitter despite having 1/5 the number of followers

    Edgelord_Of_Tomorrow ,

    Small town big city syndrome, in a small community you can conceivably know, recognise or otherwise relate to a good proportion of the people in your town, and anyone you don’t know you likely know people in common - but once a community gets big enough your brain can’t deal with it and your neighbours become an abstract concept, background noise, rather than people.

    scottywh ,

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    aidan ,

    This type of comment is evidence Lemmy has attracted all types of reddit users.

    scottywh ,

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    cheesemonk ,

    It’s okay to say fuckin on Lemmy.

    scottywh ,

    No fucking shit Sherlock.

    yuriy ,

    just kidding asshole, hands in the air this is a sting!

    SocialMediaRefugee ,

    I remember someone studied this real sociology. They watched people greeting each other in small towns and such and found that around the 1000 person mark people stopped greeting each other.

    I’ve notice the same thing on hiking trails. If I only see a few people the whole day we not only greet each other but we may stop to chat. More people and you just say hi. A very popular trail though? You might get a nod.

    gringo_papi ,

    I get 5 bot followers a month since Elon took over twitter

    nutsack ,

    yeah besides bot followers I mean like likes and people replying and being cool

    Brisolo32 ,

    if there was (more) portuguese content in mastodon I’d move to it

    I_Am_Randy ,

    Be the change you want to see in the world.

    warmaster ,

    That’s what every Brazilian and Portuguese thought of before they gave up on joining. It’s a chicken and egg scenario. The loop must be broken by early adopters and selfless contributors.

    ioNabio ,

    Someone in an unrelated discussion, wrote on LinkedIn that blackberry was profitable and grew for a few years after iPhone was anounced. The same for blockbuster after Netflix came to business. Then he was asking on what technologies today will be obsolete because an iPhone has emerged. For me lemmy or mastodon although slow but slowly will eat the competitors as they develop.

    For me I am still reading Reddit since lots of information is there. But I am avoiding on participating there.

    Cheesus ,

    Reddit has become yahoo answers for me. If an answer from Google pops up, read the top comment or two to get an answer and move on.

    Corkyskog ,

    I don’t miss reddit. I tried tiktok, and it’s kind of cool (gasp controversy) probably absorbs almost an hour of my day. Between Lemmy and tiktok I forget about Reddit, until I eventually read about it again on Lemmy.

    assassin_aragorn ,

    TikTok is great for fulfilling my desire for creative content and memes.

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