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TypicalHog ,

IMO X is shorter, easier to say and cooler. I like it!

Fireinthehole101 ,

Good, Twitter is a disgrace to humanity

markon ,

Thank you Elon ❤️ 🤣🤣

TenTypekMatus ,
@TenTypekMatus@lemmy.world avatar

We really love you. 🤣🤣🤣👌

onparole ,

There’s like 300 active users here. Just don’t talk about piracy. Weaks

ActionHank ,

I like the idea of referring to it only as “The social media site formerly known as Twitter” from here on out.

PersnickityPenguin ,

Also “former bird site” has a nice ring to it

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

I use the historical name, twitter, because to the extent future historians will have to talk about it, that’s the name they’ll use. I cannot imagine it will do anything of relevance from this point forwards except as a glaring example of the failures of capitalism.

Wilker ,
@Wilker@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

the name “X” is just a bunch of pollution to other topics that happens to have something of the same name. i hate it.

qwerty ,

Ex-twitter

Vile_port_aloo ,
@Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world avatar

These platforms always been here? So not really a down side to Elon here, gives users a taste of the wider internet?

Haha ,

I’m starting to believe Elon never cared about twitter. He only bought the userbase and is doing whatever with it. That’s sad. Twitter is just not what it once was.

lumberjacked ,
@lumberjacked@lemmy.world avatar

I think that’s it. His vision is to try and make a WeChat competitor. As much as I hate it, I fear that if he can string along the investors for long enough he could actually maybe make it successful if he adds everything else to it.

But the Fediverse is growing too which is better. Let Musk and Zuck have their dick measuring competition and let’s build something better over here!

Haha ,

yayyyyyyyyyyyy

jerkface ,
@jerkface@lemmy.ca avatar

He very obviously did not want to buy Twitter; he tried for months to get out of it but because of stupid things he had publicly said, if he had failed to go through with it, he might have been up on criminal market manipulation charges. He was forced to purchase it by legal action from Twitter after he said the stupid things.

isVeryLoud ,

Huh???

Elon bought Twitter by accident, he’s stuck with it. Chances are he’s either playing with it until it implodes, or he’s turning it into something else entirely with the benefit of an existing user base.

Leviathan ,

It’sstrange to me to see people waxing nostalgic about Twitter when it’s always been a cesspit.

NatoBoram ,

A consistent cesspit that wasn’t dying because of management’s stupid decisions and that was enshittified slower than other services

Haha ,

I never used it. I just mean, the blatant transformation of the platform (going from twitter to X) and so on. I know it meant something to people.

wramble ,

Nah man, the ultrawealthy are used to having some avenue of publishing that they own. Bezos has the Washington Post, Twitter was supposed to be his “newspaper” so to speak.

Except he’s a clown and can’t keep from sticking his dick in everything so he just went ahead and fucked it.

Haha ,

that’s fair

T3rr4T3rr0r ,
@T3rr4T3rr0r@kbin.social avatar

Honestly twitter was already pretty awful. He just somehow made it awfuler

Brisolo32 ,

if there was (more) portuguese content in mastodon I’d move to it

I_Am_Randy ,

Be the change you want to see in the world.

warmaster ,

That’s what every Brazilian and Portuguese thought of before they gave up on joining. It’s a chicken and egg scenario. The loop must be broken by early adopters and selfless contributors.

Franzia ,

I find Mastodon very stuffy and boring, is there a way to shake up my feed? I feel like I’m missing something about how the app works.

tty84 ,
@tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

have a look here lemmyverse.net/communities

ShadowRam ,

Why isn't kbin magazines in that list of communities?

Staccato ,

I agree… it feels like the Fediverse doesn’t quite have the same algorithms that the single-corporation services have, and I feel it most in the search to broaden the content I see. Hopefully the exploratory element picks up as time goes on!

rob_t_firefly ,
@rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world avatar

The Fediverse doesn’t do algorithmic pushing and that’s a feature, not a bug.

The main ways to find new stuff on Mastodon are all actions taken by you, the user:

  1. Hashtags. Watch and follow hashtags you like. Hashtags are the main way stuff is categorized, and if you use them liberally on your own posts and find others posting to those same tags you can find accounts which align with those interests of yours.
  2. Home. Check out stuff in the “home” timeline which will be your neighbors on your own Mastodon instance. (In the case of general instances this isn’t so helpful, but in those instances themed around a hobby, subculture, geographical area, etc. you know you have that common ground with your neighbors to start with.)
  3. Boosts. When you find people and accounts to follow, they boost (reblog/retweet) things they like, you find things to boost, etc. and it all works like a friend introducing you to their other friends, friends of friends, etc. leading to your own circle of friends increasing.

All these are things you do and you have to put a little work in to make them happen, but it’s purely fueled by your own interests and wants instead of the traditional social-media algorithm which does a little aligned-interest stuff but is mostly powered by whoever has money to pay the platform to force them into your timeline. On Twitter or Facebook you get shown what the platform thinks they can get paid by showing you. On the Fediverse the rules of invasive centralized ad-choked personal-data-harvesting social media don’t apply; you get shown what you actually want and request.

It’s different and change can be scary, but when you get used to the idea that things don’t have to work the old way anymore it can end up being a good thing.

ebenixo ,

Thank God it doesn’t

30isthenew29 ,

If you think about it, this is actually the old way.

30isthenew29 ,

If you think about it, this is actually the old way.

regalia ,

It’s a bad feature lol. It should have algo content as an option. I’m tired of getting gaslighted and being told I’m not allowed to think this. We’re on Lemmy because of its algo content with the active/hot feeds. That doesn’t translate to Mastodon boosts.

Peacemeal12 ,
@Peacemeal12@kbin.social avatar

Exactly, the reality is when I open Twitter I see content that is at least relevant to my interests, where as the sorting on Mastodon are of things that are of absolutely no interest. There's a lot that you can say about algorithms, but there's a reason it was the way it was in the first place.

Double_A ,
@Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The problem is that I as an user don’t necessarily know what I want to see. What if there is some super interesting hashtag out there, but I don’t even know that it exists?

Staccato ,

I simply haven’t found as many good engaging posts in Mastodon, though, despite all that. It could be simply the challenge of building an interesting feed when you start from zero, but that’s a challenge nonetheless.

Algorithmic identification of novel content is in my mind neither intrinsically sinister nor beneficial; like all things, it’s a tool and the morality comes out of how it is used.

Things like (optional) recommendation tools could be a useful addition to Mastodon to help users find interesting threads. Could be run on a per instance basis.

figaro ,

I’d recommend following the hashtags you want to see. It’s sort of a build-your-own algorithm

towerful ,

This is a huge thing about the fediverse.
Users are used to being told what they want (algorithms) without any choice (centralised and only platform).
Whereas Lemmy and Mastodon require users to curate their stuff.
Perhaps some “meta fedi” sites would be useful. Things that generate lists of hashtags, instances and users “shake up” your experience

schnurrito ,

Reddit also used to be that way. FFS I think the best time on the Internet was that when we were all on traditional phpBB-style forums, where there was no “algorithm” at all (though I admit the concept doesn’t scale well and they too have their structural problems).

KaleDaddy ,

God i miss traditional forums

Serinus ,

Have you seen the maple syrup meme video? (Sorry for the TikTok link.)

www.tiktok.com/

This was a pretty amazing feature of everyone using Reddit. Lemmy isnt close to that for specific interests yet. League of Legends was one of the biggest subreddits, but any league community here is basically dead.

It’s a lot harder to get critical mass for Lemmy than it is for Mastodon. And Mastodon migration hasn’t been what I think it should be. A good, reliable, large instance on .com or .net domain would probably go a long way for adoption.

Mozilla is supposedly releasing mozilla.social Mastodon instance I’m early 2023. Any day now… But it’s understandable if they want to wait for some event to open.

steltek ,

I found fishing for (and following) hashtags on Mastodon effective but Mastodon was also in much better shape to receive the waves of Twitter exoduses.

Lemmy lacks effective tools to organize a feed. I think many people recreated their favorite subreddits as communities but the userbase was too small to support them. Being able to create “multi-reddits” to group related micro-communities together to help mitigate the ghost town feeling as you raise the probably of at least one of them having something new to talk about.

meldroc ,

I think naturally, Lemmy will gravitate to fewer, more generalized communities instead of many little hyper-specialized ones.

towerful ,

I’d love to see more smaller communities, tho. But, how to group communities?
Geographically is one way, if you want local news and banter.
By interest is another, if you want YouTube news/content but not Twitch news/content. Or just more generally “streaming content”?

It is an impossible problem to solve easily.
And the risk of any instance suddenly going offline is very real. Which means, gravitating to a more technically adept or well funded instance makes sense.

I feel like the current federation separation system isn’t going to work. Or it’s going to be “good enough” for a good while, but not really click.
Idk if separating “user instances” and “content instances” is better. Then some sort of “meta instances” that everyone actually interacts with.
Content instances can more specialise in the content they provide.
User instances specialise is currating their users.
And meta instances link users to content.
But then, that massively overcomplicates things. And who is going to want to run a user instance? Or a meta instance? Or a content instance? All require investment and work.

steltek ,

I think that would have been a healthier start, to focus attention and generate some liveliness, but people’s preconceived notion is “Reddit” so that’s where community creation went.

towerful ,

Re-reading your post before I hit submit… I think I am just repeating what you are saying!

What I was saying:

I think the solution is “meta instances” or “meta communities” or “meta aggregators”.
A community or instance that aggregates the smaller communities.
And some way for smaller communities to submit content to that aggregator.
Like, I’m browsing my instance’s “all”. I find a good meme that suits my “programming memes” interest. So, I submit that post to the aggregator.

Essentially like cross posting, but a community of all crossposts and everything is treated like it’s on the original instance.
But as a primary feature. Where it’s easy to “submit to aggregate subscription” or whatever.

But then we would get every instance with their own meta-community, and it’s just a complication on top of communities and instances.

steltek ,

But then we would get every instance with their own meta-community, and it’s just a complication on top of communities and instances.

The trick is to have meta-meta-communities to aggregate the aggregators :)

Turun ,

Putting a list of similar instances and communities in the sidebar would help a ton. Yes, there is a list of communities on every instance, but I’m not scrolling through a hundred rows trying to determine which I might like based on the names.

meldroc ,

Curation is the term. The question is how our doomscrolling is curated. Go to the big sites, they curate for engagement, and thus ragebait.

Here, maybe we need some communities that have people curating in a more positive direction…

terminhell ,

This is a welcome change tbh. All these other platforms push rage bait and crap just to drive engagement numbers.

It’s refreshing to go back a little to how the Internet used to be. You had to go and find what you liked, not have a million things pushed on you.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Subscribe to the hashtags you’re interested in.

stefanlaser ,
@stefanlaser@slrpnk.net avatar

Tools help, and because the Fediverse API is completely accessible, folks have already come up with awesome stuff.

  • Populate your following list by finding friends, the Fedifinder still appears to work and helps find friends from Twitter on Masto: fedifinder.glitch.me
  • Now find friends of friends, the wider social graph. Followgraph works wonders: followgraph.vercel.app
  • Now you will likely miss posts, so try following updates of people if you really enjoy their content, plus of course pinning hashtags. PLUS. Up your game with an algorithm, either in the dedicated Mastodon app (trending posts) or with more customisation through the app Fediview: fediview.com Using Mastodon Digest (GitHub), you could also set up your own automation script.
  • Folks have created lists and groups you can mass subscribe. The most successful one I know is from and for academics, perhaps there is a field for you in there. Journalists have similar stuff. See github.com/nathanlesage/academics-on-mastodon
  • There are many awesome apps out there to access your content, improving the experience. I recommend Phanpy because of its unique and sleek design, see phanpy.social. If you miss Quote Tweets and other stuff, try an app like Elk.
  • Mastodon is only one option, if you want all of Twitter’s tools and more cool stuff, try Firefish. You can migrate followers and posts. This way, you can skip many external tools.

And that’s just the beginning.

Franzia ,

This is a brilliantly helpful reply.

Moshpirit ,
@Moshpirit@lemmy.world avatar

Follow hagstags and accounts you like. Also ask for follow recommendations and introduce yourself, some hosts share introductions to people.

veloxization ,
@veloxization@yiffit.net avatar

Follow a lot of people to fill up your feed. Be generous with it, and if someone you followed continuously posts something you’re not interested in, you can just unfollow, or put up a filter so those posts from that person do not show up.

There’s also a feature to follow hashtags so they appear in your home feed, so just search hashtags of things you find interesting. That’s a good way to find new people to follow as well! Advanced web view also allows you to make feeds for specific hashtags or hashtag combinations for even more control.

And if you happen to find an instance catered to your specific interests, you can make an account there, and you can even migrate an existing account so your followers come with. Chances are the local feed will be filled up with content you enjoy on such an instance.

And if you want to help your followers discover similar people, be sure to boost content you enjoy.

On Mastodon, you are in control of your feeds. Even on the federated timeline, to an extent (as filters work there as well).

benjihm ,

Does anyone have figures on subscription hikes to other fediverse systems? Mastodon is probably the best like-for-like switch for casual birdsite fans, but I wonder if there’s also an emerging desire for something a little different.

Anafabula ,
@Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de avatar
Obstagoon ,
@Obstagoon@lemmy.world avatar

Sure they are xP

Stinkywinks ,

Why are people so fucking addicted to Twitter? It’s just people posting a few sentences about shit I see on the Internet already. But what do I know, I’ve gone my entire life without using the stupid shit. Maybe I’m not taking into account how many people want to be internet celebrities with their parroted tweets and recycled jokes. Why is it so hard to make another site where dumbass celebrities can feed 2 lines to the drooling masses?

t_jpeg ,

Twitter culture (depending on what parts of twitter you were on) was really hard to explain. Unless you used it and really knew how to, you don’t really get the benefit from it. Its feed structure combine with post length and algorith meant that it was really easy for you to know what other people were saying about things going on right now (reality shows, football matches etc). It also made searching for news so easy (due to its Trending feature), so you were kept in the loop about things.

The meme culture of Twitter was also very unique. I can say with absolute confidence that Twitter memes were bomb (before Musk ruined it). Way better than any memes I’d come across on Reddit or Lemmy so far.

The only problem is you had to take Twitter in small doses. Stan culture and cyber-bullying culture were real negatives of Twitter. Certain people on that app were unhinged and that went unchecked because of how echo-chambers were set by the algorithm. You really had to check yoursel to make sure you weren’t being corrupted, especially because cyber-bullying was so normalised there (at least in my experience).

Mr_Blott ,

I’ve never used it either, but it’s a fact that 90% of the memes on twitter used to come from Reddit, then end up on twitter, then be reposted back on Reddit a week later when someone “found it on twitter”

t_jpeg ,

Well that’s not true because most memes on Twitter were made directly on the platform. Reddit memes were extremely dry in comparison to Twitter’s.

danielton ,
@danielton@lemmy.world avatar

I’m there for the artists. A ton of artists share their artwork on Twitter because of the enshittification of deviantART. I am not sure where they will end up now.

GarrettBird ,

It was really good for artists and entertainers (streamers included) to gain a following

Stinkywinks ,

Wouldn’t you have to care about nfts though? I feel like I’d rather have their art on a T-shirt.

ioNabio ,

Someone in an unrelated discussion, wrote on LinkedIn that blackberry was profitable and grew for a few years after iPhone was anounced. The same for blockbuster after Netflix came to business. Then he was asking on what technologies today will be obsolete because an iPhone has emerged. For me lemmy or mastodon although slow but slowly will eat the competitors as they develop.

For me I am still reading Reddit since lots of information is there. But I am avoiding on participating there.

Cheesus ,

Reddit has become yahoo answers for me. If an answer from Google pops up, read the top comment or two to get an answer and move on.

Corkyskog ,

I don’t miss reddit. I tried tiktok, and it’s kind of cool (gasp controversy) probably absorbs almost an hour of my day. Between Lemmy and tiktok I forget about Reddit, until I eventually read about it again on Lemmy.

assassin_aragorn ,

TikTok is great for fulfilling my desire for creative content and memes.

LittleLordLimerick ,

It won’t last unless Mastadon gets some serious improvements. It’s buggy, glitchy, feature-poor, and confusing to use. There’s no way in its current state it’s going to compete with the big guys for the average person’s attention.

4grams ,
@4grams@awful.systems avatar

Do you remember the early days of social media? IMHO, as the new hotness I’ve seen a rapid pace of improvements that I honestly expect to ramp up further as more utilization comes. Pure speculation but I’m basing it on my grey beard and the refreshing experience I’m having here.

LittleLordLimerick ,

I mean, they need to ramp it way faster. It’s pretty garbage right now and there’s really no excuse. Compare it to Lemmy and it’s very obvious. Lemmy still has problems, but it’s much easier to use and has way fewer bugs and glitches. If you’re used to Reddit, then switching to Lemmy is pretty easy to do, and I can see average users making that jump. But Mastadon isn’t even close to the user experience that Twitter/X offered, and I cannot see the average Twitter user sticking around and waiting for all the issue to be fixed.

GregorZ ,

I switched from Reddit to Lemmy today and I fully condone your comment. I decided to not use any microblogging service before using mastodon after Twitter. The switch from Reddit to Lemmy was a bliss.

sumofchemicals ,

What would you say is missing from the mastodon user experience vs twitter?

Things I would like:

  • better discovery/suggestions when people first join. I get a “selling point” is that the timeline isn’t algorithmically driven, but just to help people get their feet wet start showing them some stuff
  • when displaying a post there needs to be a better mechanism to fetch all the replies. Right now it’s possible to respond and say something someone else already did because you you’re not shown their reply. For federation reasons I guess.
  • better list integration

But overall, for me the functionality I used from twitter I have on mastodon too. The real missing feature is the huge variety of people, and getting that takes time.

YoBuckStopsHere ,
@YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve had no issues on Mastodon.World and the advance features are essentially tweetdeck.

rob_t_firefly , (edited )
@rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world avatar

From a user-experience standpoint I’m intrigued by the idea of someone who is comfortable using Lemmy finding Mastodon confusing to use. From a technical view it’s literally the same stuff (ActivityPub + a distributed network) fueling the same general concept (federated social media) just with a different skin on top (Twitter/Tweetdeck-flavored instead of Reddit-flavored.)

It’s all just decentralized online community organized by interest; a /c/ here is a hashtag on Mastodon. If you have already come to terms with instances and federation and such in order to use one, what about the other still confuses? Is it just the interface or are there deeper pain points?

GamingChairModel ,

“Just the interface” is a big deal.

Reddit is the same backend as the Reddit I was using through a third party app a few months ago, but the user experience is significantly worse for me, because the interface I’m accessing the service through adds friction to how I use the service and steers me towards how I don’t use the service. Same with accessing email through a web interface versus Outlook versus Thunderbird versus Alpine versus the iOS Mail app.

Lemmy is how I want to interact with user-generated text and comments. Mastodon’s interface is not. I don’t care that it happens to be ActivityPub on the backend, because the interface drives how I consume and interact with the content.

rob_t_firefly ,
@rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world avatar

Good point! I can see where you’re coming from, thanks for your perspective.

UndefinedIsNotAFunction ,

Try out Fedilab if you’re on Android. I’m not by any means a big user of Mastadon, but it really improved my experience over the official app.

I still don’t really “get it” in regards to microblogging platforms, but I do occasionally find interesting things.

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

It’s buggy, glitchy

I haven’t seen any glitches or bugs for quite a while.

Which ones are you speaking of?

MyNameIsIgglePiggle ,

Fuck spez. Why isn’t he doing more psycho shit like Elon so he can move more people to Lemmy.

me_stesso ,

Give him some more time. It’s not that simple keeping up with Elon’s adventures

jormaig ,

By the way, your username shows as bot to me. I think you need to disable it in your profile.

me_stesso ,

Thank you

CosmicCleric ,
@CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

Well, don’t change it if you are a bot.

SocialMediaRefugee ,

Hoping they rename Reddit to Y or some such

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