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x3x3 ,

My fridge has AI

Vespair ,

It’s really simple: There are a number of use cases where generative AI is a legitimate boon. But there are countless more use cases where AI is unnecessary and provides nothing but bloat, maybe novelty at best.

Generative AI is neither the harbinger or doom, nor the savior of humanity. It’s a tool. Just a tool. We’re just caught in this weird moment where people are acting like it’s an all-encompassing multipurpose tool right now instead of understanding it as the limited use specific tool it actually is.

kent_eh ,

It’s a tool. Just a tool.

And, more often than not, it’s a poorly implemented tool that didn’t need to be added to the product in the first place.

qx128 ,

I can attest this is true for me. I was shopping for a new clothes washer, and was strongly considering an LG until I saw it had “AI wash”. I can see relevance for AI in some places, but washing clothes is NOT one of them. It gave me the feeling LG clothes washer division is full of shit.

Bought a SpeedQueen instead and been super happy with it. No AI bullshit anywhere in their product info.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Honestly, +1 for SpeedQueen. That’s the brand that every laundromat uses, because they’re basically the Crown Vic of washers; They’re uglier than sin, but they’ll run for literal decades with very little maintenance. They do exactly one thing, (clean your clothes), and they do that one thing very well. They’re the “somehow my grandma’s appliances still work 70 years later, while mine all break after three years" of washing machines.

SpeedQueen doesn’t have any of the modern bells or whistles… But that also means there’s nothing to break prematurely and turn the washer into the world’s largest paperweight. Samsung washers, for instance, have infamously shitty LCD panels, which are notorious for dying right after the warranty expires. And when it dies, the entire washer is dead until you replace basically the entire control interface. SpeedQueen doesn’t have this issue, because they don’t even have LCD panels; everything is just physical knobs and buttons. If something ever does break, it’s just a mechanical switch that you can swap out in 15 minutes with a YouTube tutorial.

smeenz ,

I doubt there’s any actual AI in the LG product, it’s just a marketing buzzword like they used to use the term ‘smartwash’

kent_eh ,

Much like all the companies who used to market their headphones as “MP3 compatible”.

It’s just more marketing nonsense.

BigDanishGuy ,

Yes! A washer doesn’t need AI or wifi. It needs power, water, detergent and dirty laundry. Had a guest the other day pull out their phone and go Oh my dish washer is out of surfactant. Why the fuck do you need to know that, when you’re 20min away by car?

I will pay more if an appliance isn’t internet connected.

teamevil ,

I absolutely hate having to scroll past garbage AI answers I don’t care to see, nor would I trust

Pilferjinx ,

I trust AI replies less than a quick search. It has it’s uses but you have to learn it’s limitations.

teamevil ,

You trust it more than me

BradleyUffner ,

LLM based AI was a fun toy when it first broke. Everyone was curious and wanted to play with it, which made it seem super popular. Now that the novelty has worn off, most people are bored and unimpressed with it. The problem is that the tech bros invested so much money in it and they are unwilling to take the loss. They are trying to force it so that they can say they didn’t waste their money.

2pt_perversion ,

Honestly they’re still impressive and useful it’s just the hype train overload and trying to implement them in areas they either don’t fit or don’t work well enough yet.

GratefullyGodless ,
@GratefullyGodless@lemmy.world avatar

AI does a good job of generating character portraits for my TTRPG games. But, really, beyond that I haven’t found a good use for it.

abracaDavid ,

So far that’s been the best use of AI for me too. I’ve also used it to help flesh out character backgrounds, and then I just go through and edit it.

2pt_perversion ,

Yeah exactly, as a tool that doesn’t need to be perfect to give you a starting point it’s excellent. But companies sort of forgot the “as a tool” part and are just implementing ai outright in places it’s not ready yet like drive-thru windows or voice only interface devices…it’s not ready for that shit currently (if it ever truly will be).

abracaDavid ,

They are all completely half-baked products being rolled out before they’re ready because none of these billion dollar tech companies will allow a product to not immediately generate revenue.

I’m really enjoying seeing the backlash of everyone unanimously being sick of having this unfinished tech shoved down our throats.

netvor ,
@netvor@lemmy.world avatar

…also TTRPH, TTRPI, TTRPJ, TTRPK, TTRPL, TTRPM, TTRPN, TTRPO, TTRPP, TTRPQ, TTRPR, TTRPS, TTRPT, TTRPU, TTRPV, TTRPW, TTRPX, TTRPY and TTRPZ games.

But beyond that, no good use, no siree.

PS: spoilerthat was WAY harder to type than I expected.

netvor ,
@netvor@lemmy.world avatar

Even in areas where they would fit it’s really annoying how some companies are trying to push it down our throats.

It’s always some obnoxious UI element, screaming at me their 3 example questions, and I always sigh and think, “I have to assume you can only answer these 3 particular questions, and why would I ask those questions, and when I ask UI questions I expect precise answers so would I want to use AI for that.”

I have no doubt that LLM’s have more uses than I can think of, but come on…

I’m happy for studies like this. People who are trying to smear their AI all over our faces need to calm, the f…k, down.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Many of us who are old enough saw it as an advanced version of ELIZA and used it with the same level of amusement until that amusement faded (pretty quick) because it got old.

If anything, they are less impressive because tricking people into thinking a computer is actually having a conversation with them has been around for a long time.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

Are you like 80?

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

No, 47. Believe it or not, the first PCs came out when I was a young whippersnapper.

Shadywack ,
@Shadywack@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck yea man, Dr Sbaitso was the one for me. I loved that shit. It still fucks with people when I bust that out on Dosbox.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Doggdorzbaydzoh.

WindyRebel ,

IBM 486 was my first PC as a kid. Throw in those floppys and game on DOS!

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Mine was an Apple ][+.

(And yes, that’s how you write it properly. I’m a pedant.)

WindyRebel ,

I would have it no other way. I am the same. 😂

tigeruppercut ,

When I was a kid my folks bought the TI 99/4A for some ridiculous reason. It’s interesting to look back at the weird hardware that never made it, like the cartridges that thing used instead of 5¼" floppies that were also out at the time. Maybe it reminded them of inserting 8 tracks.

https://lemmy.zip/pictrs/image/e2cc5722-caf4-48c4-a4ab-4a7e9f20c3d9.webp

Rivalarrival ,

The TI99 had an (optional) external expansion box that allowed it to use floppy disks.

tigeruppercut ,

Never saw the floppy external, but at some point we ended up with a peripheral that read data off cassettes.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I think the 99/4A also had a cassette tape drive you could buy. I don’t think they ever made a floppy drive for it though.

Dultas ,

I have 6.22 and Win3.11 running in a VM for fun.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

Oh OK cause the article you sent mentioned ELIZA being developed between 1964-67 so I had to ask.

Emmie ,

So you want to tell me they all spent billions and made huge data centres that suck more power than small country so we can all play with it, generate some cringy smut and then toss it away?

This is kinda insane if that’s how it will play out

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Not the first time this has happened. Even recently. See NFTs. Venture capitalists hear “tech buzzword” and throw money at it because if they’re lucky, it’s the next Google. Or at least it gets an IPO and they can cash out.

Emmie ,

Yeah but the scale is bigger and we could be doing something worthwhile with all these finite resources it makes me a bit dizzy

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

We could, but they don’t care about making the world a better place. They care about getting rich. And then if everything collapses, they can go to their private island or their doomsday vault or whatever and enjoy the apocalypse.

reddthat_209 ,

I agree with this, my sentiments exactly as well. Getting AI pushed towards us from every direction & really never asked for it. Like to use it for certain things but go to it when needed. Don’t want it in everything, at least personally.

ATDA ,

To me AI helps me bang out small functions and classes for personal projects and act as a Google alternative for mundane stuff.

Other than that any product that uses it is no different than a digital assistant asking chat gpt to do things. Or at least that seems like the perception from a consumer level.

Besides it’s bad enough I probably use a homes energy trying to make failing programming demos much less ordering pizza from my watch or whatever.

Verserk ,
@Verserk@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

More like people know when it’s just being used as a buzzword and are smart to avoid when that’s (often) the case

answersplease77 ,

I literally uninstalled and disabled every AI process and app in that latest galaxy AI update, which was the whole update btw. my reasons are:

1- privacy and data sharing.

2- the battery, cpu, ram of AI bloatware running in the background 247.

3- it was chaging and doing things which I didn’t want especially in the galary photo albums and camera AI modes.

squidspinachfootball ,

I was considering a new Samsung phone - is that baked into it? (Assuming you’re talking Samsung anyway, based on the galaxy name)

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Samsung is a nightmare, don’t purchase their products.

For example: I used to have a Samsung phone. If I plugged it into the USB port on my computer Windows Explorer would not be able to see it to transfer files. My phone would tell me I need to download Samsung’s drivers to transfer files. I could only get them by downloading Samsung’s software. Once I installed the software Windows Explorer was able to see the device and transfer files. Once I uninstalled the software Windows Explorer couldn’t see the device again.

Anything Samsung can do in your region to insert themselves between you and what you are trying to do they will do.

nobleshift ,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

2nd this. Samsung is for people who hate themselves but can’t commit to ending it all.

flambonkscious ,

This is a great summary I’m going to make use of

Wintex ,

To give you a second opinion from the other guy, I’ve had quite a few Samsungs in a row at this point. From Galaxy S2 to S23Ultra skipping years between every purchase.

They are effectively the premium vendor of Android, at least for western audiences. The midrange has some good ones, but other companies do well there too. At the high end, Samsung might lose out a bit to google on images of people, but the phones Samsung sell are well built, have a long support life, have lots of features that usually end up being imported to AOSP and/or Google’s own version of Android. The last few generations are the Apple of Android. The AI features they’ve added can be run on device if you want, and idk what the other guy is talking about, but the AI features aren’t that obnoxiously pushed on my device, the S23 Ultra. I have some things on, most things off. Then again, I’ve used HTC for a few years and iPhone for two weeks, so except for helping my dad with his Pixel 6a while that device lasted, I’ve not really tried other brands. The added customization on Samsung is kind of a problem for me, because I don’t feel like changing brands after being able to customize so much out of the box.

And I’ve never had issues connecting to a simple Windows computer, given that the phone has always been able to use the normal Plug-and-play driver that is there already. If you have a macbook like I do, it’s a bit cringe, but that’s a macbook issue moreso.

FatCrab ,

I’ll second this experience. Pricing aside (and even then, because of their new recycling policy, I was able to replace an old galaxy nearly the size of a tablet with a new flip-- that has VERY surprisingly become my favorite phone I’ve ever owned-- for like a hundred bucks), I’ve never had complaints about my Samsung phone and wearables that weren’t general to all smartphones. And the easy integrations between my watch, phone, and earbuds, all Samsung, is really great.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

the Apple of Android

And here I thought I was being critical of them.

You are right of course, Samsung is very much like Apple. And if you don’t care about a company trying to lock you into their software, inserting themselves in between everything you’re trying to do, and denying you control over your own device, then I’m sure it works just fine.

time_fo_that ,

Did it help with battery life? My S24U has not been getting the greatest battery life lately and I wonder if this is why.

answersplease77 ,

I don’t know about the AI stuff specifically. Check your battery usage to see which process is doing that. but yes debloating in general makes your phone battery longer, and with the help of few more tricks also faster. There are thousands of no-root-required debloating tutorials online.

jwt ,

For me, if a company fails to make a clear cut case about why a product of theirs needs AI, I’m gonna assume they just want to misuse AI to cheaply deliver a mediocre product instead of putting in the necessary cost of manhours.

thesohoriots ,

For the love of god, defund MBAs.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

Give them a box of crayons to eat so the adults can get some work done

aphonefriend ,

Fallout was right.

Emmie ,

Fallout was so on point, only a lot of distance and humour makes it not outright painful or scary knowing the damn nukes will be popping sooner or later one just doesn’t know if tomorrow or in 80 years. The question is not if but when

Emmie , (edited )

I have just read the features of iOS 18.1 Apple intelligence so called.
TLDR: typing and sending messages for you mostly like one click reply to email. Or… shifting text tone 🙄

So that confirms my fears that in the future bots will communicate with each other instead of us. Which is madness. I want to talk to a real human and not a bot that translates what the human wanted to say approximately around 75% accuracy devoid of any authenticity

If I see someone’s unfiltered written word I can infer their emotions, feelings what kind of state they are in etc. Cold bot to bot speech would truly fuck up society in unpredictable ways undermining fundaments of communication.

Especially if you notice that most communication, even familial already happens online nowadays. So kids will learn to just ‘hey siri tell my mom I am sorry and I will improve myself’.
Mom: ‘hey siri summarize message’

That could only raise psychopaths

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

So kids will learn to just ‘hey siri tell my mom I am sorry and I will improve myself’.

What makes you think that kids aren’t already doing things like this?

Also I saw a South Park episode about this. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Learning_(South_Park)

Emmie ,

It isn’t built-in in the very phone operating system where you just tap on generate response in the iMessage. It is always about laziness. First the privacy went away due to path of least effort even though you always had tons of privacy alternatives but they require just 10 seconds of extra effort

Omega_Jimes ,

My hope for the future relies on a study indicating that after 5 or so generations of training data tainted with AI generated information, the LLM models collapsed.

Hopefully, after enough LLMs have been fed LLM data, we will arrive in an LLM-free future.

<this is unlikely to come true but let me hope >

Meron35 ,

Market shows that investors are actively turned on by products that use AI

SapphironZA ,

Market shows that the market buys into hype, not value.

riskable ,
@riskable@programming.dev avatar

Market shows that hype is a cycle and the AI hype is nearing its end.

jaybone ,

How can you tell when the cycle is ending?

rottingleaf ,

Customers worry about what they can do with it, while investors and spectators and vendors worry about buzzwords. Customers determine demand.

Sadly what some of those customers want to do is to somehow improve their own business without thinking, and then they too care about buzzwords, that’s how the hype comes.

USSEthernet ,

Prominent market investor arrested and charged for sexually assaulting AI robot

Lucidlethargy ,

There are different types of people in the market. The informed ones hate AI, and the uninformed love it. The informed ones tend to be the cornerstones of businesses, and the uninformed ones tend to be in charge.

So we have… All this. All this nonsense. All because of stupid managers.

Churbleyimyam ,

I think AI has mostly been about luring investors into pumping up share prices rather than offering something of genuine value to consumers.

Some people are gonna lose a lot of other people’s money over it.

themurphy ,

Definitely. Many companies have implemented AI without thinking with 3 brain cells.

Great and useful implementation of AI exists, but it’s like 1/100 right now in products.

floofloof ,

If my employer is anything to go by, much of it is just unimaginative businesspeople who are afraid of missing out on what everyone else is selling.

At work we were instructed to shove ChatGPT into our systems about a month after it became a thing. It makes no sense in our system and many of us advised management it was irresponsible since it’s giving people advice of very sensitive matters without any guarantee that advice is any good. But no matter, we had to shove it in there, with small print to cover our asses. I bet no one even uses it, but sales can tell customers the product is “AI-driven”.

PerogiBoi ,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

My old company before they laid me off laid off our entire HR and Comms teams in exchange for ChatGPT Enterprise.

“We can just have an AI chatbot for HR and pay inquiries and ask Dall-e to create icons and other content”.

A friend who still works there told me they’re hiring a bunch of “prompt engineers” to improve the quality of the AI outputs haha

verity_kindle ,

I’m sorry. Hope you find a better job, on the inevitable downswing of the hype, when someone realizes that a prompt can’t replace a person in customer service. Customers will invest more time, i.e., even wait in a purposely engineered holding music hell, to have a real person listen to them.

themurphy ,

That’s an even worse ‘use case’ than I could imagine.

HR should be one of the most protected fields against AI, because you actually need a human resource.

And “prompt engineer” is so stupid. The “job” is only necessary because the AI doesn’t understand what you want to do well enough. The only productive guy you could hire would be a programmer or something, that could actually tinker with the AI.

jaybone ,

God that sounds like hell.

spiderman ,

Yeah, can make some products better but most of the products these days that use AI, it doesn’t actually need them. It’s annoying to use products that actively shovel AI when it doesn’t even need it.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Ya know what pfoduct MIGHT be better with AI?

Toasters. They have ONE JOB, and everybody agrees their toaster is crap. But you’re not going to buy another toaster, because that too will be crap.

How about a toaster, that accurately, and evenly toasts your bread, and then DOESN’T give you a heart attack at 5am when you’re still half asleep???

IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK???

grue ,

Sweet, I’m the one who gets to link the obligatory Technology Connections toaster video!

paw ,

Aw man, now I want this toaster.

SolarMonkey ,

I said the exact same thing months ago when I saw that video. I don’t even use a toaster.

T156 ,

Nah. We already have AI toasters, and they’re ambitious, but rubbish.

Adding AI is just serious overkill for a toaster, especially when it wouldn’t add anything meaningful, not compared to just designing the toaster better.

verity_kindle ,

It only needs one string of conditions that it can understand: don’t catch on fire. Turn yourself off IF smoke.

BorgDrone ,

AI toasters are a Bad Idea

verity_kindle ,

This is the visionary we need. Take my venture capital millions on a magic carpet ride, time traveler!

peto ,

A lot of it is follow the leader type bullshit. For companies in areas where AI is actually beneficial they have already been implementing it for years, quietly because it isn’t something new or exceptional. It is just the tool you use for solving certain problems.

Investors going to bubble though.

SlopppyEngineer ,

Yes, I’m getting some serious dot-com bubble vibes from the whole AI thing. But the dot-com boom produced Amazon, and every company is basically going all-in in the hope they are the new Amazon while in the end most will end up like pets.com but it’s a risk they’re willing to take.

slaacaa ,

“You might lose all your money, but that is a risk I’m willing to take”

  • visionairy AI techbro talking to investors
SlopppyEngineer ,

Investors pump money in a bunch of companies so the chances of at least one of them making it big and paying them back for all the failed investments is almost guaranteed. That’s what taking risks is all about.

verity_kindle ,

Sure, but it SEEMS, that some investors are relying on buzzword and hype, without research and ignoring the fundamentals of investing, i.e. besides the ever evolving claims of the CEO, is the company well managed? What is their cash flow and where is it going a year from now? Do the upper level managers have coke habits?

slaacaa ,

You’re right, but these fundamentals don’t really matter anymore, investors are buying hype and hoping to sell a bigger hype for more money later.

Aceticon ,

Seeing the whole thing as Knowingly Trading in Hype is actually a really good insight.

Certainly it neatly explains a lot.

rottingleaf ,

Also called a Ponzi scheme, where every participant knows it’s a scam, but hopes to find some more fools before it crashes and leave with positive balance.

Churbleyimyam ,

If the whole sector turns out to be garbage it won’t matter which particular set of companies within it you invest in; you will get burned if you cash out after everyone else.

barsoap ,

OpenAI will fail. StabilityAI will fail. CivitAI will prevail, mark my words.

riskable ,
@riskable@programming.dev avatar

My doorbell camera manufacturer now advertises their products as using, “Local AI” meaning, they’re not relying on a cloud service to look at your video in order to detect humans/faces/etc. Honestly, it seems like a good (marketing) move.

SLVRDRGN ,

I tried to find the advert but I see this on YouTube a lot - an Adobe AI ad which depicts, without shame, AI writing out a newsletter/promo for a business owner’s new product (cookies or ice cream or something), showing the owner putting no effort into their personal product and a customer happily consuming because they were attracted by the thoughtless promo.

How are producers/consumers okay with everything being so mediocre??

Churbleyimyam ,

How are producers/consumers okay with everything being so mediocre??

I’m not. My particular beef is with is with plastics and toxic materials and chemicals being ubiquitous in everything I buy. Systemic problem that I can do almost nothing about apart from make things myself out of raw materials.

NidoranDuran ,
@NidoranDuran@kbin.run avatar

Every company that has been trying to push their shiny, new AI feature (which definitely isn't part of a rush to try and capitalize on the prevalence of AI), my instant response is: "Yeah, no, I'm finding a way to turn this shit off."

Masamune ,

My response is even harsher…“Yeah, no, I’m finding a way to never use this company’s services ever again.” Easier said than done, but I don’t even want to associate with places that shove this in my face.

nobleshift ,
@nobleshift@lemmy.world avatar

In Defence of AI web search from my experiences:

When I have no idea what I am talking about, have no or incorrect terminology, I have found Copilot and GPT4 (separate not the all-in-one) to be game changing compared to flat Google.

I’m not using the data straight off the query result, but the links to the data that was provided in the result.

And embarrassingly, when I’m drunk and babbling into a microphone, Copilot finds the links to what I am looking for.

Now if you are just straight using the results and not researching the answers your mileage will vary.

AnyOldName3 ,
@AnyOldName3@lemmy.world avatar

Is that enough to mitigate how much worse bare Google is than it was ten years ago, back when they were winning against SEO bots? In my experience, it hasn’t been, but I’ve not done enough AI-aided web searches to have a good sample size.

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