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umbraroze , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

I’m in Finland and peering toward Estonia and wondering what the heck did they do to annoy Sony so much that you can’t make a PSN account there.

My instant guess would be that Estonians are in possession of a Sony tape deck from the 1980s that still works (being a Sony product from the 1980s), and Sony is like “No! We refuse to do business there until they join the modern time planned obsolescence club.”

Taleya ,

Liechtenstein as well lol

hglman ,

Probably Sony won’t comply with some sort of regulation.

ErinCrush , in Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly

Deserved. It’s just not necessary. Think, why would a multi-billion dollar company want you to sign up for some other service, even if it’s free? Because they want your data, and they want to sell it.

Cethin ,

Theoretically their community management tools are based on PSN, which does make some sense. This is the official reason for it. Of course they’re also hoovering up all your data to sell also. That’s the reason that gives them more money, so the real reason.

TheHooligan95 ,

I mean, it IS their own game. Let’s not be disingenuous, they would be doing the same even if it was Steam data.

Ultragigagigantic ,
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If only there was a digital bill of rights that applied to all tech companies that would make the selling of data illegal.

Nah, sounds difficult. let’s just ban ticktok for my lobbyist buddy.

Shape4985 , (edited ) in Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly
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Mainly micro transactions. Though its not as bad as other games i don’t agree with them being in games that cost money. If they are going to be added i think the game should be free. Its mainly a critique of online gaming in its current state.

The gameplay was not my kind of game but that’s more of a personal preference than it being a bad game. I watched a ton of gameplay and had friends stream it to me and it looked very dull. He came across a lot of bugs while playing too such as clipping through the map forcing him to restart the entire mission.

papertowels ,

Worth pointing out that you can find in game premium currency

Shape4985 ,
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I know but id prefer it not being there to begin with as its a slippery slope. Its much more fun to earn loot than grind for coins or pay for them to get the skin.

EncryptKeeper ,

The micro-transactions barely exist and was easy be bought with premium currency found in the game. There are paid battle passes but none of the items within give you much of an edge over anyone else, and those battle passes also award premium currency which can be used to buy the next battle pass. They’re not timed, either. You can buy one battle pass and sit in it for a year before completing it.

As far as MTX go, they’re the most inoffensive I’ve ever seen in a game.

Shape4985 ,
@Shape4985@lemmy.ml avatar

I understand. I just prefer them to not be there at all. Ill only buy extra in a game if its in the form of a dlc that adds great content for example the following dlc for dying light or liberty city stories for GTA 4. Buying weapons and cosmetic feels cringe to me

EncryptKeeper ,

I mean you don’t have to spend any money on them. You can buy them with currency you earn in game.

NecroParagon ,

These are the least offensive micro transactions I’ve seen in a game lol. And people calling a $40 game expensive is funny.

bradorsomething , in Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly

Weren’t we all discussing enshittification the other day?

xradeon ,

More like daily now unfortunately.

almost1337 ,

I’m not sure how requiring an account in addition to the Steam account is enshittification. Especially given that it was intended to be the case from the start, but they temporarily disabled it due to technical issues.

Zatore ,

That sounds like deliberate deception. That’s far shittier than being up front. They should have made a PS account optional. Cyberpunk does this, you don’t need an account to launch the game.

almost1337 ,

There was always a banner on the Steam page that states “Requires 3rd-Party Account: PlayStation Network (Supports Linking to Steam Account)”

Zahille7 ,

You don’t need one for Horizon, God of War, or Spider-Man. And I’m sure you don’t need it for Uncharted or Day’s Gone.

almost1337 ,

Do any of those games have multiplayer, though?

knightly ,
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Sure seems like Helldivers’ multiplayer works just fine without a Sony account.

almost1337 ,

All of their support and controls are tied to the PSN account system, though.

NecroParagon ,

You’re right. That’s why they’re being made to do this.

Bongles ,

Probably why it’s not listed on those store pages.

Fubarberry ,
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It’s completely unnecessary, PlayStation accounts aren’t available in many countries which would make the game inaccessible to people who already bought it if it’s mandatory, and Sony has averaged a data breach every two years for the past 15 years so people don’t want to give them any personal data.

Marin_Rider ,

man I think people can take things too far and act like drama queens sometimes but yeah, forcing another unnecessary account onto people is enshitification

runswithjedi , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

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  • pro_grammer OP ,

    people now have to create a PSN account in order to play. The people in these countries cannot create an account, so they are locked out of a game they purchased.

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  • CosmicSploogeDrizzle ,
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    They aren’t locked out yet, the PSN requirement is in 1 month, and the Arrowhead CEO said they are discussing solutions to this problem specifically. I highly doubt they leave these players high and dry

    jojo ,
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    lol. lmao.

    ours ,

    We’re talking about Sony. They’ve made Madame Web possible so any disaster is possible…

    TheBat ,
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    It made webillion dollars though

    huginn ,

    You can request a steam refund even if you’re over 2 hours of playtime, it just isn’t automatic

    ColeSloth ,

    Was the game even confirmed to be for sale in any of those countries, or did people in those countries spoof their locations to buy it in the first place, ignoring the listed requirement of a PSN account requirement?

    lorty ,
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    You only needed a steam account to purchase and play. The PSN requirement is new and not even live yet.

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  • ColeSloth ,

    There was no bait and switch. Psn was always listed as required. This isn’t like sticking Denovo on a game right after the reviewers all get their reviews out.

    Bytemeister ,

    No, it was not always required to play the game. I’ve seen plenty of “account required” shit to play games in my time, but those are generally required to engage in online multiplayer, or competitive modes, and that was the assumption that I had when I played the game in the first week and bypassed the PSN account message. There was no warning that it would be switched to require PSN later. There was no notice that a PSN account would be required to make in-game purchases. There was no notice that PSN would be required just to load up the game, let alone play it single-player offline. I think I made a fair and reasonable assumption that I was playing the game to the fullest extent that I could without a PSN account. If I had received notice that a PSN account was required to play the game at all, then I would have not put ~150 hrs into it.

    Let’s go ahead and address some other bullshit arguments while I’m here, I’ve been dying for this to pop up on lemmy so I can comment…

    1. Stop going wah it only take 120 seconds to setup ur account…

    Let’s face it, the people wronged here have put tens, if not over 100 hrs into playing a game, if you think the time required to setup the account is in any way, shape, or form, the arguement here, then you are a fucking moron.

    1. Other games require to you have a PSN, Xbox, Ubisoft, bullshit corpo account…

    Sure, but I don’t play most of those games, or they offer offline or limited play without the account, or the game was free, or the account or was required to play the game from the beginning, enforced, and made obvious that was the stance on the issue. HD2 got so big because it was fun, and it was fun because it was free from bullshit (or at least reduced a significant amount by modern gaming standards). The game’s success was built partly, if not majorly by not enforcing the PSN account for PC, backtracking on that now feels like a slap in the face and a kick in the nuts to players.

    1. Other companies get hacked with your data, just give your data to Sony, it’s probably leaked already.

    How do you think we got in this mess in the first place? By giving up our data to corporations who do not treat it properly.

    Finally, the game has worked fine for months without a PSN account. You can join matches, make friends, block dickheads and report greifers and hackers. Adding the PSN account only does 2 things for PC players; let’s Sony sell your personal life, and massively increases the chance that you’ll need to repurchase the game because of unnecessary “account issues”.

    Felipe , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

    My brothers and sisters in San Marino will have to make that long trek to Italy, sad.

    Sir_Fridge , in Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly

    Did anyone actually have to log in? I played yesterday without having to add a sony account, neither did my friends.

    Stern ,
    @Stern@lemmy.world avatar

    D-day is next month.

    Ultragigagigantic ,
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    May the refunds be ever in your favor.

    “Uhhh acktuallay on page 420 of the Terms Of Service it says you have to suck my dick and you get no right to a refund!”

    fatalicus ,

    If you actually read the announcement, it very clearly says that new players need a PSN account from may 6th, and existing players from may 30th.

    GoodEye8 ,

    From Monday you will be bombarded with the PSN requirement for a month and then you won’t be able to play without a PSN account.

    Psythik ,

    When I bought the game it wouldn’t let me play without creating an account, and that was over a month ago. I guess the requirement is only just now rolling out for the majority of players?

    Sir_Fridge ,

    It said it required an account but you could just click next

    Passerby6497 , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

    “Niger” is a swear according to valve?

    fluckx ,

    Because it closely resembles a slur. Its one of those false positives. But the tool that replaces it likely isn’t context aware.

    whoisearth ,
    @whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

    Nigeria please that is a stupid rule

    swayevenly ,

    I’m ghana have to ask you to calm down.

    whoisearth ,
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    Grenada go and do that now aren’t you? Typical!

    systemguy_64 ,

    What Chad made this decision?

    fluckx ,

    Yeah calm Djibouti down

    BackOnMyBS ,
    @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world avatar

    Kenya stop telling me what to do?

    whoisearth ,
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    I’ve Benin fights before but this is stupid.

    reverendsteveii ,

    Oman I know where this is going

    LainTrain ,

    South Africa

    TrickDacy ,

    They probably pipe all their output text through a filter that was originally intended for user generated content. Might not really make sense but something tells me at some point there was a typo from a valve employee that prompted this decision

    Passerby6497 ,

    The dumbest version of the Scunthorpe problem

    ansiz , in Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly

    This is far too common with games now, all over Steam as well. RDR2 is a great example, the Rockstar launcher and social club is total dogshit!

    cone_zombie ,

    The Social Club has been a thing since GTA 4. So, for 15 years?

    Wizard_Pope ,
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    And it has been shit since then

    Ultragigagigantic ,
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    Fuck RDR2 has a launcher? Maybe I’ll just pirate it

    ansiz ,

    Yeah, even with Steam it will force you to install the Rockstar launcher and create a social club account, very annoying!

    lud , in Steam features never fail to amaze me

    I like the feature a lot but it’s actually faster for me to just download over the internet.

    Swedneck ,
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    is your other device connected via telegraph wire?

    lud ,

    Nah, usually WiFi but I have tried both being connected via ethernet. It’s possible the bottleneck is either devices CPU or something as it maxes out at around 600 Mbit/s compared to over 2000 Mbits/s over internet.

    Luccajan ,

    Maybe it’s the read or write speed of the drives.

    lud , (edited )

    I don’t have two great devices to test with but my bet is on the CPU being the bottleneck. I have only used the feature between my desktop (5900x, 2,5 gigabit connection) and a steam deck (a comparably bad CPU, 1 gigabit ethernet or WiFi)

    The steam deck also caps at around the same speed when downloading from the internet while the desktop can download at near 2,5 Gigabit speeds.

    Oh and both devices used NVME drives.

    IHawkMike ,

    The CPU on the source used for compression is definitely the bottleneck for me. Internet is faster.

    TechAdmin ,

    I think it’s because Steam compresses the data before sending it and limits CPU usage. I still use local file transfer between desktop and Steam Deck because rarely in much of a rush.

    Rai ,

    For me, it’s the same either way. I’m capped off at 120MB/sec whether LAN or internet!

    Kazumara ,

    Same, I’m still too cheap to upgrade the LAN to 10 Gbit/s. I could theoretically get old stuff from work, but that’s all 19 inch rack mountable and loud…

    Dfirebug ,

    Being someone with a bad internet, this is actually quite a useful feature. It saves me from either having to set up an smb/ftp share on a computer or backing up a game to a USB drive to restore it on the other computer if I don’t want to wait 10 hours for any modern game to download.

    vox ,
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    ur lan slow?

    olafurp , (edited )

    Lan are usually 1 gigabit. He must have a serious connection. It’s more likely he has a slow hard drive on the host or stores the data on USB2.0 connected drive.

    erwan ,

    Same for me, LAN is 1Gb, my internet connection is 5Gb.

    Of course none of the devices get more than 1Gb, but that means than LAN or Internet doesn’t make a difference. Especially for Steam games that get downloaded from a very close CDN proxy (probably hosted by my own provider).

    irmoz , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

    Why can’t these countries get accounts? And what was the controversy?

    TheMightyCanuck ,
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    Game is locked to PSN account system now so if you live somewhere with no PSN support, tough shit

    TSG_Asmodeus , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.
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    Potatos_are_not_friends ,

    That was immediately how I read it

    Donebrach , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.
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    I know people are jumping on the “I hate to have to make another account” bandwagon, but uh, does steam itself even operate in these countries?

    just2look ,

    Stream is available almost everywhere outside of US sanctioned countries.

    bdonvr , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

    Sweet they let the DPRK join in

    Speculater ,
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    There’s one account there, XxXJongGonnaWunXxX69

    Dultas , (edited )

    I know Sony is a Japanese company but Iran and Cuba not being on there seems odd too.

    davel , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.
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    Why Andorra — is Andor a swear now?

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