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wheeldawg , in what's going on with helldivers?

The requirement was always listed on the page.

It not being enforced seemed to make people think that now they have a right to be mad about it.

I just don’t see a case for this upset. What am I missing? The requirement was spelled out the whole time.

All I see is people not reading the not-fine-at-all print and then being upset when the rule starts being enforced.

I honestly don’t understand the problem here.

Now why it was offered for sale in regions that can’t use PSN is a mystery. Those accounts should definitely be refunded beyond the “normal” refund window and Steam needs to pay attention to that kind of thing a lot better than this. They wouldn’t have necessarily known that the account wasn’t possible for them, so that’s totally understandable.

But for those who are in a country that can get the account, I just don’t see a leg for them to stand on here.

If I’m missing something here please tell me. I love using my pitchfork. But I just don’t see justification here specifically.

secret300 OP ,

I saw someone else say that on their FAQ page it said the PSN account is optional but now that page was edited. So that’s a little scummy

wheeldawg ,

I’m talking about the store page. Not everyone will see the FAQ, but they do see the store page.

Cqrd ,

I just don’t see a leg for them to stand on here

Sony has been hacked half a million times, why should I give them more data when they’ve shown the game doesn’t need the link to function perfectly fine? This is all data collection bullshit and the more we allow it to happen, the more normalized it becomes, the more people like you “don’t see a leg to stand on here”.

mhague , (edited )

I don’t understand feeling those things and then choosing to buy a Sony game that requires a Sony account, normalizing and supporting such practices. Giving people money is far more of a normalization tactic.

Cqrd ,

I didn’t, that mention said it was potential some games might have PSN linking on Sony’s side, and I didn’t see any such actual requirement on the game itself. That’s why I refunded my game when this started, this is nonsense and I won’t support it.

Aristoxene , in Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly

Well… Earth Defense Force 6 is coming.

The_Che_Banana , in Helldivers 2 now has the most negative reviews among all paid games

Goddammit I want this game to succeed without this bullshit. I cannot compete PvP but I can throw my ass into the fodder mill against some bots.

Now…I dunno…shit.

Ultragigagigantic , in Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly
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Another victory lap for patient gamers.

There is a lifetime of content to consume without taking video games or the internet into account. You are optional.

yamanii ,
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I was waiting until some sort of offline mode since I’ve been burned by The Crew, I don’t think it’s happening considering how anal they are being about a PSN account.

threeduck ,
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But if you were impatient and played it on release you could have played it without requiring a PSN account.

yamanii ,
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And now they would need to fight for a refund, only some people got it, others are on their 5th try.

nevetsg ,

I just started BioShock Infinite. I am only a few years behind.

TonyTonyChopper ,
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Bioshock Infinite is 11 years old

nevetsg ,

Pretty fun so far. Bonus, it runs at 4k 144fps highest graphics.

iegod ,

Patient gaming is great for single player games. Not so much for live service.

Syltti ,

You say that, but it clearly worked here. And, for live service games in general, playing The Waiting Game™ lets you see how bullshit said live service ends up becoming after a awhile.

KillingTimeItself , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

why is one of them censored

trafficnab ,

Niger is close to a slur and is probably overwhelmingly used as a way to bypass filters as opposed to actually taking about the African country

KillingTimeItself ,

what a funny way to racism other people. “you’re just like a random country from that one place in the world”

Silentiea ,
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Tbf, the racists wouldn’t see a shred of irony in that statement.

KillingTimeItself ,

probably fair lmao

absentbird ,
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That makes a lot of sense, that’s exactly where it would be in the alphabetical list too.

unreasonabro ,

Because, i don’t know if you heard, but it’s Niger and people are too fucking retarded.

wesleyote , in Helldivers 2 now has the most negative reviews among all paid games

hopefully this is the kick in the ass that sony needs to learn that bait and switches are universally hated by customers.

dlpkl , in Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly

still enjoying it lol

SmilingSolaris ,

You know your not being snarky big dev defender saying this right? You are aware the actual devs, the creators of the game have asked people to review bomb it. This is the major order right now. It’s to give the devs leverage to get Sony to back the fuck off.

Omniraptor ,

Do you have a source on the devs endorsing review bombing for leverage? I only see posts about the CEO apologizing for the policy.

LordKitsuna ,
Draedron ,

Spitz is also the pos who told people to just refund and leave. Now they wre doing damage control acting like they are on the players side. The devs are not the good guys here just smart enough to act like they are

Rakonat ,

Did you read the comment? He told them to refund it if they are unhappy because the review scores and revenue are all sony sees or cares about

dlpkl ,

I really couldn’t care. It’s as easy as using making an account. People really have nothing else better to do with their lives. In fact, most people do, that’s why steam charts haven’t reflected any change.

ysjet ,

You realize about 1/3 of all players physically cannot make a PSN account, right? This isn’t just ‘gamers having nothing better to do with their lives’, it’s an actual legal and economic issue.

dlpkl ,

VPNs are free and easy to make, and where did you get 1/3 of all players?

jackmarxist , in Helldivers 2 now has the most negative reviews among all paid games
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FAFO

unreasonabro , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.

lmao Niger is blocked out

internet censorship is fucking retarded

7heo ,

Yeah, ♡♡♡♡♡ian princes will be mad disappointed.

BTW, cool meta-use of removed internet censorship to illustrate your point.

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  • 7heo ,

    Oh, I thought they wrote the *removed* text verbatim… My bad.

    KairuByte ,
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    I’d have thought the same, I wasn’t aware instances had word level removal in place.

    shotgun_crab ,

    I’m surprised Nigeria survived the censor

    Gobbel2000 , in Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly
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    I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game on Steam with “Overwhelmingly Negative” reviews before. Usually “Mixed” is already a good indicator to leave your hands off a game.

    Saledovil ,

    That’s because there’s a review count requirement for both the extremely good and the extremely negative level. So you can’t buy your own game, review it, and have it be overwhelmingly positive because the only review is positive. Thing is, bad games tend to not get bought by many people, so overwhelmingly negative is rare. So yes, mixed reviews are already damming.

    yamanii , in Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly
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    Some countries like Ukraine are told that they need a console to make an account, you can’t make this shit up lmao

    Transporter_Room_3 , in Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly
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    Well, I’m glad I didn’t end up buying it last week like I wanted to. I decided to wait another paycheck instead.

    Saved me wasting time or money.

    Honestly people shit on review-bombing over specific incidents but this is the kind of thing that 100% deserves it.

    helenslunch ,
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    this is the kind of thing that 100% deserves it.

    Most of them deserve it.

    Ultragigagigantic ,
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    “Oh no, finding out!” - corporation that fucked around probably

    Honytawk ,

    Review bombing is getting people to review something a certain way without them having have experienced the thing.

    Basically a small group think their own opinion is so important, they try to convince as many people as possible to vote the same to make it seem more people share their opinion.

    These reviews were from players who actually played the game and got affected by the changes. It isn’t review bombing, their opinions are valid.

    Umbrias ,

    Plenty of review bombing as the method protests can be valid. It’s just a method. It so happens that many of them are stupid, but ultimately that’s just how it goes.

    Syrc ,

    Not really, at least on Wikipedia the page for review bombing and the one listing significant ones make no distinction between actually having played the game/watched the movie or not.

    RootBeerGuy , in List of countries that cannot make a PSN account, following the Helldivers 2 controversy.
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    Oh man, even all the small European ones are fucked. Andorra, Liechtenstein, San Marino, Monaco. Hilarious!

    snekerpimp ,

    Why is Andorra always left out?

    JJROKCZ ,

    Why does Andorra even exist? The Spaniards or Français should fight another dozen wars over those mountains

    AnUnusualRelic ,
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    It exists so that people can buy cheap booze. Or at least that’s wha it used to be for.

    SuddenDownpour ,

    It exists for tax evasion purposes.

    Miaou ,

    It’s used for ecosystem and biodiversity preservation. Europe forced the poor rich people to hide in places such as Andorra, Monaco, Lichtenstein, and other repressed micro states. But at least there they are free to practice their own tax optimisation strategy, without intervention from evil communist states.

    SturgiesYrFase ,
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    Luxembourg is very wealthy.

    BakerBagel ,

    Also an EU member, so all EU regulations apply within tjeir borders.

    RootBeerGuy ,
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    Estonia is also EU member but listed in the screenshot.

    BakerBagel ,

    So are Latvia and Lithuania, so i guess fuck the Baltics

    goferking0 ,

    So is Monaco but it got screwed

    Jomn ,
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    I’m more surprised with the three baltic states

    cucumber_sandwich ,

    This

    magikmw ,

    Sony still salty about USSR dissolution

    erwan ,

    Luxembourg is small but it’s not a microstate like the other you listed. It’s not limited to a single city.

    RootBeerGuy ,
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    That is true.

    Carighan , in Helldivers 2 went from one of the most beloved Steam games to one of the most hated pretty quickly
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    It’s so random, too. Just… why?! The other way around, sure, after all the PC player base is the big fish. But eh?

    Arbiter ,

    Because published by Sony.

    TrickDacy ,

    Which is all the info you need to avoid the game. Sony is a piece of shit

    taladar ,

    People really should have stopped buying anything Sony back with the original rootkit scandal.

    some_guy ,

    Context for those who didn’t live through it: Sony intentionally compromised the PCs of its customers to install a mechanism by which to prevent music piracy. There’s a lot more to it but you can read about here:

    en.wikipedia.org/…/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootk…

    helenslunch , (edited )
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    Can’t buy anything from Sony, Blizzard, Activision, Microsoft, 2K, EA, Ubisoft, Capcom, etc. etc. Pretty much just buy BG3 and nothing else.

    maynarkh ,

    Either go indie or start pirating shit. Wanted to play Fallout the other day, but Microsoft/Bethesda just broke all the mods on PC for an update that doesn’t really do anything on PC. Had to get an older pirate copy to play a game I legit purchased. At some point, I just gave up.

    potustheplant ,

    None of the previous Sony titles that were released on PC required a PSN account.

    Arbiter ,

    None of the previous Sony published titles had this level of popularity.

    potustheplant ,

    I think that’s called “moving the goalpost”. Also, I doubt Last of Us can’t be considered popular.

    Arbiter ,

    I’m not trying to move the goal posts, just pointing out why Sony thought this was the game to start forcing this in.

    Bytemeister ,

    It only got this popular partly because of the lack of a PSN account to play. Developer said they had somewhere between 5 and 20 times the number of players they expected.

    Arbiter ,

    Good luck explaining that to the suits.

    Bytemeister ,

    I’m not going to. Ultimately, Sony is a megacorp and I’m just one dude. I’ll simply voice my displeasure to people inquiring about them, and never trust a Sony product or promise in my life again. They probably won’t give 2 shits, and I’m fine with that.

    SchmidtGenetics , (edited )

    It was always required, there was an issue and they paused it.

    neogaf.com/…/helldivers-2-will-require-you-to-hav…

    Carighan ,
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    Oh okay. Weird as hell still, but that at least makes some sense. TY!

    SchmidtGenetics ,

    This is also a sad look into the reality of how people buy stuff. Every single one of those complaints didn’t read the requirements. How many buy the game and can’t even run the thing as well…

    EldritchFeminity ,

    The weirdest part is how the game was sold in tons of regions where you can’t even make a PSN account. That sounds refund worthy, at least, if not a class-action lawsuit in the making.

    SchmidtGenetics ,

    Yeah I feel like people also forget you can still return games out of the two hour window for legit reasons. Would be a bad look for Steam to deny those refunds at least.

    helenslunch ,
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    It was always required

    they paused it.

    These can’t both be true.

    mo_lave ,

    Netflix password sharing is technically against TOS and did not enforce it until recently.

    You’re technically breaking the law for going past the speed limit, but when did you last have to pay a fine for it (caveat: depends on location)?

    helenslunch ,
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    Netflix password sharing is technically against TOS

    Netflix literally advertised password sharing as a feature of the service. I would argue in a court of law that would probably negate their ToS.

    mo_lave ,

    Sure. What I’m saying is, it’s like an Oxycontin salesman convincing you it’s not addictive at all.

    maaneeack , in what's going on with helldivers?

    The PSN account, which is free, was required but turned off during launch. It’s been working fine. Now if you don’t link your PSN to steam you can’t play after the end of this month. You lose a PC game on steam because you don’t have a PlayStation Network account.

    It’s totally unnecessary and Sony has a shit cyber security track record.

    Sony has shot the game developer in the face with this.

    MoonMelon ,

    A couple friends of mine worked on the PS3 launch title “Lair” back in the day. Sony brass demanded, at the 11th hour, that they completely change the control scheme to use the braindead PS3 motion controller nonsense. The game wasn’t perfect but, before that decision, it was at least playable. Game launch was a disaster. San Diego studio closed. Execs who made that decision probably got promoted. They’ve always been like this.

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