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sirico , in dotnet developer
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

Yes but I’ll l need to charge more as they require disclosure specific equipment

Daft_ish , in dotnet developer

I can’t even remember what dumb shit Trump was showing this guy.

nelly_man , (edited )

It was an interview with Jonathan Swan about COVID-19 where Trump had a bunch of papers with graphs trying to show that the US was doing well with cases. The paper he handed over showed the rates of deaths per case (though Trump didn’t seem to understand the graph), and Swan was asking him about the high rate of deaths in the US when looking at the total population of the country.

youtu.be/NmrEfQG6pIg

Daft_ish , (edited )

Man, if the media was worth a damn it could absolutely bury Trump in negative campaign ads. It’s one thing to run a single valid negative campaign ad. With Trump you could collect them like fucking pokemon.

FilthyHookerSpit ,

You’d need over 30x the amount of total pokemon to match the amount of lies he’s told as president

getoffthedrugsdude ,

That’s a lotta pokémon

MalachaiConstant ,

That’s the problem though. His core supporters define themselves by who they oppose, so anything negative said about him is seen as an attack and becomes fuel for the hate machine

Daft_ish , (edited )

The hate machine runs on unicorns and rainbows. I’m not going around chasing unicorns and cursing at the sky.

brbposting ,

Did this video go unavailable in half an hour or is it region locked?

Mirror (Piped)

cashews_best_nut ,

Thanks!

Holy shit! That Swan guy is a fucking legend. I’ve never seen Trump get that hounded by a journalist before!! He needs to et this more often. Why the fuck aren’t more people pressuring him with questions like this?

icydefiance ,

Why the fuck aren’t more people pressuring him with questions like this?

Because they’ll never get another interview with him, or most other Republican politicians. It’s a pathetic reason, but that’s all it takes.

RozhkiNozhki ,
@RozhkiNozhki@lemmy.world avatar

Remember how he abolished press briefings at the White house because Sarah Sanders couldn’t and didn’t want to answer questions from those pesky journalists?

brbposting ,
bruhduh ,
@bruhduh@lemmy.world avatar

Man did his best for us

nelly_man ,

Yeah, I found it on my laptop and was too lazy to send it over to my phone where I was on lemmy. So I typed it up, and then I actually sent the link to my phone when it was pointed out that it was broken.

Well, maybe lazy isn’t the right word. But I was too something.

brbposting ,

Ah, I’m on Apple w/Universal Clipboard. I see Android alternatives out there!

crystalmerchant ,

Man it is HARD to believe this jabbering orangesicle was ever the president of the fucking United States

JargonWagon ,

And is a threat to be president yet again. God I hope not.

Mesa ,
@Mesa@programming.dev avatar

“They are dying; it is what it is.”

Easily hits one of the 10 things you do not want to hear the president of your country say.

OneCardboardBox , in dotnet developer

Sorry, what’s .Net again?

The runtime? You mean .Net, or .Net Core, or .Net Framework? Oh, you mean a web framework in .Net. Was that Asp.Net or AspNetcore?

Remind me why we let the “Can’t call it Windows 9” company design our enterprise language?

activ8r ,

Because they have dozens of years of experience! They didn’t learn anything from it, but they have it!

0x0 ,

Can’t call it Windows 9

But that actually made sense! They care about backwards compatibility.

For those not in the know: some legacy software checked if the OS name began with “Windows 9” to differentiate between 95 and future versions.

activ8r ,

It makes sense why they did it, but their messed up versioning was the cause to begin with. You should always assume Devs will cut corners in inappropriate ways.

pkill ,

They’ll cut corners the more the shittier APIs and ABIs you provide

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

The API is fine. It returns the internal version number (which is 4.0 for Windows 95), not a string. learn.microsoft.com/…/ns-winnt-osversioninfoexa. There’s no built-in API that returns “Windows 95” as a string.

puttputt ,

The reason they checked that it started with “Windows 9” was because it worked for “Windows 95” and “Windows 98”

bequirtle , (edited )

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  • UndercoverUlrikHD ,

    Say whatever you want about Microsoft, but they don’t mess around with backwards compatibility.

    riodoro1 ,

    It’s easy to be backwards compatible when you’re backwards in general.

    Honytawk ,

    Well, better to be backwards with backwards compatibility than to just be backwards.

    looks at Apple

    Octopus1348 ,
    @Octopus1348@lemy.lol avatar

    I once heard some YouTuber say Windows uses \ in path names instead of / like everyone else because Microsoft thinks backwards.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    As what often happens, using `` for paths is for backwards compatibility.

    Neither CP/M nor MS-DOS 1.0 had folders. When folders were added in MS-DOS 2.0, the syntax had to be backwards compatible. DOS already used forward slashes for command-line options (e.g. DIR /W) so using them for folders would have been ambiguous - does that DIR command have a /W option, or is it viewing the contents of the W directory at the root of the drive? Backslashes weren’t used for anything so they used them for folders.

    This is the same reason why you can’t create files with device names like con, lpt1, and so on. DOS 2.0 has to retain backwards compatibility with 1.0 where you could do something like TYPE foo.txt > LPT1 to send a document to a printer. The device names are reserved globally so they can work regardless of what folder you’re in.

    nilloc ,

    They probably search for windows n(t) somewhere too ;)

    intensely_human ,

    it could’ve just been windows nine. or any other word that isn’t a number

    But “nine” is a word that is a number

    jadelord ,

    Strange argument… how does that prevent checks versus Windows 7, 8 and 1* all of which would be less than 9.

    Wrrzag ,
    @Wrrzag@lemmy.ml avatar

    Because it checks if the version starts with the string “Windows 9*”, not wether the number is less than 9.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    This is a myth - code that checks the version number uses the internal version number, which is 4.0 for Windows 95.

    dev_null ,

    An often repeated urban legend that has no basis in reality. Software checking the version of Windows gets “6.1” for Windows 7 and “6.2” for Windows 8. The marketing name doesn’t matter and is different.

    ziixe ,
    @ziixe@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I was about to say that most apps should check the NT number but then I remembered that until XP it wasn’t common to run a NT system, but then I remembered NT 4 existed basically in the same timeframe as 95 did, and even if the argument went to “it’s a 9x application”, shouldn’t these OSes at least have some sort of build number or different identifier systems? Because as I said NT systems were around, so they would probably need a check for that

    chatokun ,

    Some programs just didn’t work on NT though. A lot of installers were more OS specific back then.

    mnemonicmonkeys ,

    Eh. I think Microsoft should have let that break so the spaghetti code finally gets fixed

    dan , (edited )
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    some legacy software checked if the OS name began with “Windows 9” to differentiate between 95 and future versions.

    This is a myth. Windows doesn’t even have an API to give you the marketing name of the OS. Internally, Windows 95 is version 4.0 and Windows 98 is 4.1. The API to get the version returns the major and minor version separately, so to check for Windows 95 you’d check if majorVersion = 4 and minorVersion = 0.

    Edit: This is the return type from the API: learn.microsoft.com/…/ns-winnt-osversioninfoexa

    0x0 ,

    Maybe it’s a myth, but it sure sounds plausible. The software that checks the “Windows 9” substring doesn’t even have to exist for this to be reason they chose to skip to version 10 — they just had to be concerned that it might exist.

    Sure, maybe there’s no C function that returns the string, but there’s a ver command. It would be trivial to shell out to the command. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ver_(command)

    This doesn’t prove anything, but there are a TON of examples of code that checks for the substring. It’s not hard to imagine that code written circa 2000 would not be future proof. sourcegraph.com/search?q=context:global+""window…

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    but there are a TON of examples of code that checks for the substring

    oh

    oh no

    There’s code in the JDK that does that??

    I really wish I didn’t see that.

    0x0 ,

    Yup!! Never look under the hood in software, you’ll just be disappointed ☹️

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    I’ve been a software developer for 20 years and this comment is too real. Some days I’m amazed that any software even works at all.

    intensely_human ,

    Having worked in both food service and software, I encourage you not to visit the kitchen of any restaurants you enjoy either.

    0x0 ,

    Please don’t show me how the sausage is made

    Vladkar ,

    Remember when Nintendo was panned for the name “Wii U”, and Microsoft saw that and said “hold my beer”

    NigelFrobisher ,

    I’m developing it for Xbox One X.

    kogasa ,
    @kogasa@programming.dev avatar

    I really don’t think it’s that bad. The only weird thing is .NET Core becoming just .NET in version 5.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    Not too weird… It’s the “one true .NET version” now. The legacy .NET Framework had a good run but it’s not really receiving updates any more.

    kogasa ,
    @kogasa@programming.dev avatar

    I have no complaints about just calling it .NET. The distinction between .NET and .NET Framework isn’t much of a problem. It’s the fact that .NET and .NET Core aren’t actually different that’s odd. It underwent a name change without really being a different project, meanwhile the Framework -> Core change was actually a new project.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    It underwent a name change without really being a different project

    The name difference was only to differentiate the legacy .NET Framework with the new .NET Core while both were being developed concurrently. They never intended to keep the “Core” suffix forever. .NET Core had a lot of missing APIs compared to .NET Framework 4.5., and “.NET 1.0” would have been ambiguous. It was to signify that it was a new API that isn’t fully compatible yet.

    Once .NET Core implemented nearly all the APIs from the legacy .NET Framework, the version numbers were no longer ambiguous (starting from .NET 5.0), and the legacy framework wasn’t used as much as it used to be, it made sense to drop the “Core” suffix :)

    kogasa ,
    @kogasa@programming.dev avatar

    Yes… But ASP.NET Core kept the branding. Thus “Core” still exists, concurrently with the regular “.NET.”

    Lmaydev ,

    Actually they are different.

    .Net core, mono and xamarin used to be completely separate and slightly incompatible runtimes.

    They have all been unified under .Net so c# (and other .net languages) will run exactly the same on each.

    So the coreclr runtime still exists but you no longer need to target it specifically.

    turbodrooler ,

    Razor Blazor

    pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

    example.net

    Pfnic ,

    I have the same issue with Java. Oracle JDK, Open JDK or some other weird distribution? Enteprise Servers or a Framework like Springboot? It’s always easier if you’re familiar with the technology.

    stewie410 ,

    Hey now, why don’t you join my work and use jboss-4.2.2.GA? (kill me)

    XTornado ,

    .net core is not a thing anymore in case somebody it’s not aware, now is just .net. (unless you use really old version of course).

    kautau ,

    But it’s still the core lol

    github.com/dotnet/core

    XTornado ,

    Well the repo link yes… create a new repo and migrate everything… just so the url doesn’t say core no more it’s quite unnecessary.

    And to be honest actual code is currently under github.com/dotnet/dotnetThe other links is just for news and docs currently.

    kautau ,

    I agree, it was mostly a joke. But as the parent commenter explained, “.net is now dot net” is still confusing. They really should just cut ties with the .net name and start fresh. “.net is now MS Interop Framework” or some such. Adopt more sane server versioning moving forward, so searching for information isn’t so wild across all the possible variations and versions of .net, dot net core, dot net framework, asp.net, etc

    neutron ,

    I scream silently everytime.

    coloredgrayscale ,

    May I introduce you to Usb 3.x renaming?

    3.0, 3.1Gen1, 3.2Gen1, 3.2Gen1x1 are the 5Gbps version.

    3.1Gen2, 3.2Gen2, 3.2Gen1x2, 3.2Gen2x1 are the 10Gbps version.

    neutron ,

    Are those USB naming schemes, or edgy usernames from 2000s like xXx_31Gen3x1HardCore_xXx?

    revlayle ,

    The reasoning it was to not confuse with .net framework 4.x series, and since they went beyond 4.x, it’s just .net now. I believe .net core moniker was to explicitly distinguish is from framework versions.

    It didn’t help the confusion at all, tch. Being a .net guy since 1.0, you just figure it out eventually

    labsin ,

    They also couldn’t call it “.Net Core 4” so they called it “.Net 5”

    Will they keep skipping numbers or start thinking about not naming everything the same.

    Lmaydev ,

    .Net is both the umbrella term for the entire ecosystem and the new runtime haha

    Microsoft is so bad at naming things!

    NigelFrobisher , in dotnet developer

    I’m developing it for X-Box One X.

    twopi , in dotnet developer

    Well .NET is dead now so I guess .COM and .ORG are dead too?

    quackers ,

    .NET is better than ever wdym

    revlayle ,

    .net isn’t dead, that’s for sure. It’s not the top ecosystem, but it is pretty healthy.

    backhdlp , in Oopsi Woopsi
    @backhdlp@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

    The weirder part is the issues they don’t do that in.

    sirico , in Oopsi Woopsi
    @sirico@feddit.uk avatar

    Linus has really gone off the deep end

    Trashcan , in Oopsi Woopsi

    I hope it was a genious piece of code that was miles ahead of what it replaced.

    And still it got rejected 😄

    OsrsNeedsF2P , in Oopsi Woopsi

    Found the original, looks like this one is a bit different

    github.com/Xerasin/GCinemaCraftDownloader/…/1

    Maven ,
    @Maven@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    There are people in PR thread explaining it’s a reference to this screenshot. Which is fake, for the record.

    PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S ,
    @PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org avatar
    aberrate_junior_beatnik , in dotnet developer

    Ok, but we all should admit: .net is a terrible name.

    nexguy ,
    @nexguy@lemmy.world avatar

    I totally agree.socialmedia

    Honytawk ,

    Still better than .dot

    neutron ,

    And then there’s .net classic and .net core. Making up two entirely separate names shouldn’t be difficult for marketing executives.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    .NET Core doesn’t exist any more. It’s just .NET now.

    The classic version is mostly legacy at this point too.

    NegativeInf ,

    Just because it’s no longer supported doesn’t mean there’s not some poor intern refactoring spaghetti backend in a basement somewhere using it.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    Sure, but you can still find plenty of info on it by searching for .NET Framework or .NET 4.6. All the documentation is still available. Its just not in the spotlight any more.

    Zangoose ,

    Hi, it’s me, the intern refactoring the spaghetti .NET core backend. I’m not in a basement though. AMA

    neutron ,

    I am so sorry, man. No one deserves this.

    kogasa ,
    @kogasa@programming.dev avatar

    Not an intern, but this week I’ve unraveled some mysteries in ASP.NET MVC 5 (framework 4.8). Poked around the internals for a while, figured out how they work, and built some anti-spaghetti helpers to unravel a nested heap of intermingled C#, JavaScript, and handlebars that made my IDE puke. I emulated the Framework’s design to add a Handlebars templating system that meshes with the MVC model binding, e.g.

    
    <span style="color:#323232;">@using (var obj = Html.HandlebarsTemplateFor(m => m.MyObject))
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">{
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">  Name: obj.TemplateFor(o => o.Name)
    </span><span style="color:#323232;">}
    </span>
    

    and some more shit to implement variable-length collection editors. I just wish I could show all this to someone in 2008 who might actually find it useful.

    Lmaydev ,

    It is very much still supported and will be for a very long time.

    You just shouldn’t start any new products using it.

    neutron ,

    My workplace insists on using dot net classic to recreate a twenty years old VB app that should be able to drink, vote, and drive.

    Please send help. SQL queries are a spaghetti mess and all the original devs are probably gone or dead.

    hansl , in Junior Dev VS Machine Learning

    So are we not calculating the amount of training the junior dev took?

    devilish666 OP ,

    Junior dev just need to copy paste code from stackoverflow

    Jako301 , (edited )

    So they do the exact sams thing as the LLM?

    variants ,

    Yeah but they make you buy decaf

    mrbaby ,

    The LLM has read and copied every post on stack overflow, which is what separates the juniors from the seniors.

    ilinamorato ,

    They were trained before the task. The LLM was trained after.

    Prunebutt ,

    I don’t think that not educating people is an option. Even in the highly unlikely case that every job is hypothetically taken over by “AI”: humans like to learnand hone their skills.

    hansl ,

    Alternatively, I don’t think that not educating AI is an option.

    Prunebutt ,

    Why? Deploying or not deploying so-called AI is a choice we, as a society can make. The only reason why LLMs are pushed so hard by the industry is because some corporate gouls think that they can save money on labour with it.

    TWeaK , in Junior Dev VS Machine Learning

    I feel this in AutoCAD (lack of) precision.

    GnomeKat , in Junior Dev VS Machine Learning
    @GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    This comic makes no sense

    const_void ,

    Yet 80 people upvoted it. Strange…

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    I too am confused about the decaf part.

    Maven ,
    @Maven@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s saying that instead of spending all the resources needed to gather all of the training data for the LLM, just give a junior dev some coffee as the input instead.

    The direct comparison is input and output. Coffee/training data is the input and the code is the output.

    MajorHavoc ,

    But…Decaf?!

    Maven ,
    @Maven@lemmy.world avatar

    I didn’t say it was a GOOD joke. I was just explaining what the joke was.

    MajorHavoc ,

    Sorry, yes. I’m just trying to “yes, and…”.

    Maven ,
    @Maven@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh lol sorry. Tone is very hard to understand via text online.

    WitchHazel ,

    Yeah I don’t really get this, you can come to deterministic mathematic conclusions with ML, it just requires different structuring of the problem. While area of a rectangle may not need optimization, there are many such places that do, like file compression, which requires perfectly accurate results.

    xor ,

    that’s because you’re commenting on things you don’t understand in a sub not meant for you

    GnomeKat ,
    @GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    How is this sub not meant for me? lmao followed me from the other thread, cringe

    xor ,

    it’s for programmers, which you’re obviously not if you think this makes no sense…
    and guess what, troll, that’s why you have a public comment history…
    it’s a primary function… which i used, as intended, to see how much of a troll you are…

    GnomeKat ,
    @GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    im a rendering engineer. like GPU programming and engine programming.

    xor ,

    doubt

    space , in Junior Dev VS Machine Learning

    With all the recent hype around AI, I feel that a lot of people don’t understand how it works and how it is useful. AI is useful at solving certain types of problems that are really difficult using traditional programming, like finding patterns that aren’t obvious to us.

    For example, object recognition is about finding patterns in images. Our brains are great at this, but writing a computer program capable of taking pixels and figuring out if the pattern is there is very hard.

    Even if AI is sometimes going to misclassify objects, it can still be useful. For example, in a factory you can use AI to find defects in the production line. Even if you don’t get it perfect, going from 100 defects per 1M products to 10 per million is a huge difference and saves the factory a lot of money.

    scrubbles ,
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    Agree, but the joke to me is business folks thinking AI is a miracle and they can just shove it everywhere to print money. Where us devs know what you mean, and would like to add it in where it makes sense. Business thinks it’s ready to replace us.

    sj_zero ,

    The key to "AI" is having a human there to take algorithms and apply them to the right problems.

    This is what most people don't understand because many of the demos are quite impressive and narrowly tailored to prevent the fact from being obvious unless you know what you're looking for.

    LarmyOfLone ,

    Most useful application so far seems to have been to predict protein folding. Have to check up on that, it should allow to cure all sorts of bad things.

    9point6 , in Junior Dev VS Machine Learning

    This looks more like a floating point issue than a mistake an LLM would make

    Cosmicomical ,

    There are no LLMs involved in this picture, to train an llm you'd need 100x the training data. The panel is about a normal ML model.

    WitchHazel ,

    The training data here is exaggerated more, actually. This task should take kilobytes, max, and would finish in a fraction of a second. Also, no self-respecting ML engineer would put together an ML system without accounting for every data type.

    CodeMonkey ,

    But a floating point issue is the exact type of issue a LLM would make (it does not understand what a floating point number is and why you should treat them differently). To be fair, a junior developer would make the same type of mistake.

    A junior developer is, hopefully, being mentored by more senior coworkers who are extra careful with code reviews and would spot the bug for the dev. Machine generated code needs an even higher level of scrutiny.

    It is relatively easy to teach a junior developer to write code that is easy to read and conforms to the teams style guide.

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