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MEGA THREAD - Trump shot but safe, 2 others killed at PA rally

WHAT

  • Former U.S. President Donald J. Trump was shot at a rally in PA.

TRUMPS STATEMENT

“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW SO FAR

  • gunman is dead
  • Trump "is fine"
  • one attendee is dead
  • another attendee is in critical condition

News Sources

kylie_kraft ,

If you’re planning to take out an aspiring despot, you better be damn sure of your shot

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

I don’t think your advocating for or celebrating violence, but this comment is probably going to be taken that way and deleted. I totally agree with your point though, a failed assassination attempt is probably the worst thing you can do to a guy who wants to destroy democracy.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

All things being equal, I am glad that the assassin failed. I am no fan of Trump by any measure. I wish, every day, that Trump would just go away and stay out of politics.

I feel that assassinating someone like Trump would only intensify the right-wing’s rhetoric and make things worse in the long run. I also feel that whomever would replace Trump would be far much worse than Trump himself. It’s a lose-lose either way.

No, the appropriate thing to do is to vote these bastards out of office. I fear the worst, that maybe we’re going to fail doing that; we’re what, 4 months away from the election and we’re talking about replacing Biden, but NOBODY has said with whom? Yeah that’s confidence inspiring.

My doomer mentality aside, I do still hope I’m wrong, and that democracy and justice will prevail. But dammit if the “good guys” aren’t bending over backwards to make that hard to believe.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

There really isn’t another popular candidate to step in and replace him.

peopleproblems ,

And there can’t be. It’s damn near a requirement for totalitarian power.

rebelsimile ,

North Korea’s on their third dear fucking Kim.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

we’re talking about replacing Biden, but NOBODY has said with whom?

People have said over, and over, and over that it would be Harris. She is beating both Trump and Biden in the polls, is able to take over the Biden-Harris campaign funds with minimal legal dispute, she appeals more to women, independents, black voters etc.

It’s not a question. She’s not ideal, but she actually stands a chance to beat Trump. Biden does not, especially now. It would be Harris. Now you know.

dohpaz42 ,
@dohpaz42@lemmy.world avatar

I have heard that mentionedonce or twice, but never concretely. Most of what I’ve been seeing is that “Biden should step down,” and nothing more.

Either way, the last thing the Democratic Party needs right now is more fragmentation. If they’re going to replace Biden, just fucking do it already. If not, shut the fuck up about it. Time is ticking, and it’s not on our side.

4 months is not a long time to campaign. We’re already halfway through July. This should’ve been figured out long ago.

retrospectology ,
@retrospectology@lemmy.world avatar

I have heard that mentionedonce or twice, but never concretely. Most of what I’ve been seeing is that “Biden should step down,” and nothing more.

Because that’s the order of operations. But if you having only heard it twice is because you’re not paying attention, not because people haven’t been talking about it.

Biden has already fragmented the party, he simply cannot win. It’s not viable. No one can force him to leave. And no, people should not “shut the fuck up about it” since doing so means Democrats will lose for sure. Democrats will unify more behind any candidate who is not as polarizing and alienating as Biden. If he stays in past the convention then you can start telling people to shut the fuck up, but until the convention is over people should be doing everything they can to convince him to leave.

Wrench ,

It’s going to mobilize his violent base anyway. We have some rough times ahead of us. I fully expect rampant domestic terrorism to increase as a result of this.

Cocodapuf ,

I feel that assassinating someone like Trump would only intensify the right-wing’s rhetoric and make things worse in the long run.

I hear that a lot, but I honestly don’t see how. The man is toxic to the core, he consistently takes all the sanity out of public conversation. An America without him is just less crazy and less angry.

alekwithak ,

“If you come for the throne you best not miss” or something like that

queue ,
@queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Gotta love how people are instantly pulling a QAnon deal of “ITS A FALSE FLAG, FAKE NEWS, NOTHING HAPPENS WITHOUT A GRAND CABAL!”

Somehow Trump is a mastermind of this. The dude who can’t hide stolen files properly, can’t lie on his taxes properly, and loses money on a casino, somehow has the ability to rig a false flag assassination attempt.

Are NeoLibs that so far into the Kool-Aid that Dipshit Trump is also a grandmaster 5D chess player of this, while not being able to string words together? It’s not like he’s ever been a good actor.

“Now Trump’s gonna say Biden tried to kill him.”

He already said that.

“Now Trump’s gonna call for repression of the left.”

He already did that.

“Now they’re gonna say Trump is a martyr.”

They already say that.

“Now the right is gonna get violent with their political opponents.”

They already do that.

“Now the fash are gonna push for an enabling act.”

They already are doing that.

It’s equally frustrating and vindicating that people are waking up to the alarms minorities have been sounding for… decades? Even during 9/11, people were saying this is the start of the end for any form of freedom. Then we had economic crash after crash. Then more rights removed. More drone strikes. More illegal wars.

Then we tried to warn about Trump. No one cared. He won. The people who said he would hurt did get hurt. People acted shocked.

Biden came in. Ignored the people in jail cells, ignored COVID for better polling, refusing the new powers given to him to do anything better for the country at large, and slowly turning into a walking skeleton.

And every single time people have said “Hey this is bad for any form of democracy” people said it was overblown, nothing bad would happen. Then it got worse and worse. Voting didn’t solve most of the issues. Protesting did. And then both parties clamped harder on protestors and increased funding to the militarized police.

Welcome to Weimar Germany, America. People have only warned you for decades. If this doesn’t wake anyone up, then you’ll sleepwalk as you claim ignorance on why you’re “just following orders”.

protist ,

Are NeoLibs

Dude…wild misattribution here

SirDerpy ,

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out — Because I was MLK’s white moderate.

I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate,

who is more devoted to “order” than to justice;

who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice;

who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”;

who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”

Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

shalafi ,

Welcome to Weimar Germany, America.

I’ve been armed 24/7 since 01/06. Women, POC and LGBT folks are the largest gun purchasing demographic. They too got the memo. So no, I’m not giving up my AR-15 or anything other gun.

It’s like liberals skipped history class. We’re months away from “red hats” grouping up and patrolling neighborhoods for “undesirables”.

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

Like did anyone see what the cops did to us during the George floydd protests? Plus warren VS district of Columbia Supreme Court ruling says cops aren’t there to protect us.

We’re on our own. I wish we lived in a good place, but that’s not where we are. Or ever will be. Because we are here, and we live LIKE THIS.

shalafi ,

We are indeed on our own. That type of thinking is what rural people excel at, and look how they vote.

No idea what the answer is. Violence, or even defense, from the left will be crushed, just like you said about the protests.

All I can say is that I will do me best to defend my family. If shooting back means my death, so be it. But unlike many libs, I’m not going to roll over when they come for me and mine.

Scubus , (edited )

Not advocating for the theory, but it’s borderline unbelivable that the man gets shot in the ear, and is more concerned about his shoes than his life, then stops to do a fist pump. This is the same man who dodged the draft.

LustyArgonianMana ,
@LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world avatar

You realize Trump was already previously part of a conspiracy to overthrow the election and was convicted of this, right? It’s not like he’s new to this kind of organizational crime. No one thinks he’s a mastermind; they think he’s a con artist and they just don’t trust him. And I’m not saying it was a false flag, I’m just pointing out that people are basing this on past evidence of his behaviors.

This is also not a qanon level of a conspiracy, it’s quite mild.

Here’s what right wing conspiracies have to say so far about the shooting (I highly recommend monitoring them to gauge how they will react the next few days):

kansascitydefender.com/…/trump-shooting-antifa-co…

Right-Wing Accounts Launch Mark Violets Antifa Conspiracy in Light of Trump “Assassination Attempt

Please note this has been DEBUNKED.

toiletobserver ,

If the gunman is dead, and Richard Simmons is dead… Was it him?

toiletobserver ,

I’ve been wondering where the crazies were on the left, and now i know

JonsJava OP ,
@JonsJava@lemmy.world avatar

every family has crazies. With that said, we don’t know who it was, their reasoning, or their political leaning.

Ioughttamow ,

Or one of the many many people he defrauded. Or someone or a relative of one of his rape victims. Rapey Donald sure loves rapin

hperrin ,

Don’t forget committing felonies. A convicted felon and rapist was shot at today.

Skanky ,

Still a lot of disinformation going around, but it appears that the shooter was a registered Republican and was wearing a demolition ranch t-shirt.

It’s all very bizarre.

dactylotheca ,
@dactylotheca@suppo.fi avatar

it appears that the shooter was a registered Republican

“Ah, a leftist who was so crazy that he voted R”

– toiletobserver, probably

drunkpostdisaster ,

Don’t forget it’s not over after November. There are more elections and more chances to turn this around and save our country.

tiefling ,

Are there? He’s made it clear he wants to do away with anything resembling democracy. What elections do you think are going to survive white christofascism

drunkpostdisaster ,

We still got mid terms. If not, then we still got violence.

MagicShel ,

If we don’t have enough numbers to beat him at the polling booth, we sure don’t have the numbers to beat his followers and the armed forces combined. Violence seems unlikely to prevail.

We have to beat him on Election Day.

drunkpostdisaster ,

Would be true, but we do not use the popular vote. Besides, if he does win what do you suggest we do? Because we got to look at it as a real possibility or even the most likely outcome.

nickwitha_k , (edited )

Fuck. This is probably not going to lead to good things.

Carrolade ,

Agreed. It’s going to further inflame chaos and tensions in the country, it’s going to further radicalize Trump himself into an even nastier man, and it’s going to motivate his base. Even if Trump were to pass away, that base still remains, and we have the risk of a much more intelligent and gifted speaker taking up its leadership.

100 ,

people gathering around him ready to pounce and abuse power are more dangerous than he is

SOMETHINGSWRONG ,

“Project 2025 is an existential threat to our democracy and it will be the end of the US unless blue wins!”

“Nooooo not like that it’s not that much of a threat nooo”

Either it is, or it isn’t, liberals.

keegomatic ,

The fuck are you talking about

Raptor_007 ,

“SOMETHINGSWRONG” alright, inside your head.

whoreticulture ,

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    gedaliyah ,
    @gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

    This reply in question was removed for advocating political violence. Along with other similar comments, user was removed from the community

    Soltros ,

    If it were anyone else, almost getting shot should be a wake-up call. “What have I become that this happens? Maybe I need to change how I act, and what I do.” But , no.

    Tryptaminev ,

    There have been many failed and successful assassinations of political leaders or other public people. You think if John Lennon had survived his assassination he should have taken it as a wake-up call and revisit his values and public stances?

    There is many good reasons why Trump should start introspecting. And if he would develop some sort of empathy and decency probably the pain of seeing who he was and is would kill him better than any bullet could.

    But this is because he is Trump. This is not because someone wanted to kill him. All sorts of people want to kill all sorts of people for all sorts of reason.

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    True, it was always never going to lead to good things. But this will keep it on track to not changing.

    I just hope Trump pusses out when he realizes he and a bunch of supreme court justices are foing to get this for nearly every public appearance for four years if he manages to eek out a win lol. It was said above already.

    Violence demands self defense. Today was an act to try and save everyone.

    UltraGiGaGigantic ,

    The people are so divided, and this makes it worse.

    surfrock66 ,
    @surfrock66@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean this is the world he wants, you can’t dog whistle people to take up arms against tyranny without a comfortable acceptance of the irony pool you are filling. Everyone will try to spin this to their political advantage but the truth is this is the level of political discourse the right has been driving towards.

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    It’s full one leopardsatemyface levels of karma. Nearly everyone I know left or right was like damnit, they misse lol.

    madcaesar ,

    Trump’s rhetoric almost lead to Pelosi getting killed. Trump’s rhetoric got people killed on Jan 6th. Republicans have been posting images with crosshairs of their opponents for years, and now they are surprised that shit is turning violent…

    hperrin ,

    It’s a great opportunity to open a conversation about gun control.

    RememberTheApollo_ ,

    Trump shouts ‘fight’

    Yeah. The man advocates violence again.

    ABCDE ,

    This quote from a supporter is very rich indeed

    The witness said she wasn’t surprised a shooting occurred because of the current political climate.

    robocall ,
    @robocall@lemmy.world avatar

    I hope this act is not replicated.

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m so over politics in America. This shit is terrifying. People trying to overthrow elections, seniors that are too old to lead, voter suppression, people stuck in disinformation bubbles, and now assassins. Meanwhile, the rich just get richer, and “middle class” life just gets harder and harder.

    I have dual citizenship with an EU nation from birth, and this week had made me start to dust off those childhood documents and look into the details of relocating.

    hperrin ,

    Good for you. Bye.

    Psythik ,

    Promise you’ll leave too?

    hperrin ,

    I have no intention of giving up the fight and fleeing. If progressives who can leave do, those who can’t are doomed to a Republican hellscape.

    HappycamperNZ ,

    Ooo, which one of us you looking at joining?

    Hugh_Jeggs ,

    Doesn’t matter, we’re not a bunch of tribalistic, bickering children

    Anywhere is fine

    iknowitwheniseeit ,

    I mean, there are differences between EU countries! If you’re looking to get away from fascism then Hungary might not be your best bet, for example.

    Valmond ,

    France: fun when it comes to politics and strikes, good food etc.

    Sweden/Denmark: calmest places on earth. Social climat : hardmode.

    Southern europe: cool and laidback.

    Hugh_Jeggs ,

    Hungary is not part of Europe, it’s part of Russia

    iknowitwheniseeit ,

    Isn’t the president of Hungary literally the EU president at the moment. 🤔

    Hugh_Jeggs ,

    iknowitwheniseeit

    Except sarcasm 😂

    Pandoras_Can_Opener ,

    They are literally in the EU.

    EatATaco ,

    Every time I’ve read someone shitting on America, and then they mention something like not being American, if you ask where, the question is always avoided.

    geekworking ,

    All of the Trump rally photos that I have ever seen have an audience behind him. If they did the same here, then any missed shots would go into the audience.

    kandoh ,

    Thoughts and prayers 🙏

    RememberTheApollo_ ,

    I bet Trump is perversely happy he got shot. He can be a Real Brave Man, now. How much attention it gets him. How much more clout he believes he will get because he will weasel some political capital out of it. Heaven help us if the shooter was liberal, this man is fine with dog whistling violence and more than a few of his followers are itching to engage in it. It won’t matter one whit how many people have been killed or hurt by right wingers.

    massive_bereavement ,

    When 9 11 happened, people had different reactions: sadness, fear, shock... people like Dick Cheney immediate reaction was: what can I gain from this.

    I'm pretty sure Trump runs on that exact mentality.

    SeaJ ,

    When 9/11 happened, Trump bragged about having the tallest tower in the city even though he did not.

    Trainguyrom ,

    “I got shot and it wasn’t so bad, why do we need legislation to prevent unsafe access to guns?”

    lepinkainen ,

    He should allow guns in his rallies then 😜

    It’s a constitutional right and all, or is he scared?

    MutilationWave ,

    On Jan 6 Trump noticed that a lot of the crowd would not pass the magnetic detectors to get in close for his speech. He realized it was because they were armed. “Take the fucking mags away” he said. Because he knew he was going to be up there behind bulletproof glass.

    Maggoty ,

    They even managed to get a triumphant picture out of it. The Secret Service is surrounding him, he’s bloody but holding his fist high, and the American flag is perfectly framed in the background. This shit is going to pump his polling numbers. All he has to do is put whatever fake nationalist bullshit he wants over that picture for 30 seconds and it’s an instant ad in battleground states.

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