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clearedtoland , in Robert de Niro accuses Apple of censoring Awards Speech

The part of the speech that was removed:

“History isn’t history anymore. Truth is not truth. Even facts are being replaced by alternative facts and driven by conspiracy theories and ugliness. In Florida, young students are taught that slaves developed skills which can be applied for their personal benefit.

The entertainment industry isn’t immune to this festering disease. The Duke, John Wayne, famously said of Native Americans, ‘I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.’

Lying has become just another tool in the charlatan’s arsenal. The former president lied to us more than 30,000 times during his four years in office, and he’s keeping up the pace in his current campaign of retribution. But with all his lies, he can’t hide his soul. He attacks the weak, destroys the gifts of nature, and shows disrespect, for example, by using ‘Pocahontas’ as a slur.”

Meanwhile:

The actor appeared onstage at the ceremony on Monday night for the presentation of the Gotham Historical Icon and Creator Tribute to Martin Scorsese’s Killers Of The Flower Moon, a film distributed by Apple that focuses on a series of murders targeting the Osage people in Oklahoma during the 1920s after oil was discovered on tribal land.

cowfodder , in Mike Johnson's ties to Christian nationalism revealed

Pretty sure the “R” next to his name was enough to tie him to Christian nationalism.

circuitfarmer ,
@circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Came here to say this. I have assumed for at least the last 20 years that any Republican politician is a christian nationalist, and though I don’t have specific figures, I think I’ve probably been correct 99% of the time.

That 1% is just due to caution – I don’t have anyone in mind.

givesomefucks ,

There’s that whole “the family” thing.

They approach young first term republicans in DC, and shower them with attention and bribes/donations. To play ball, you almost have to deal with them. Because everyone else in your party already did, you’ll never get preference over another member.

CyberCatBytes , in Six officers known as the ‘Goon Squad’ plead guilty to torturing two Black men, using a sex toy on them and shooting one of them
@CyberCatBytes@kbin.social avatar

"Using a sex toy on them" When are we going to start referring to sexual assault of men as what it is?

HurlingDurling ,

Because just referring to it as sexual assault, might portray that these cops where gay, and we can’t have none of that.

/s

elevenfingerfrk ,

Yeah we all know how masculine the police in the US are. What’s more manly than a bunch of men compensating for their small penises by randomly killing civilians!

30mag ,

Yes we can:

Dedmon then threatened to anally rape the two men, but when he moved toward Jenkins’ backside, the deputy stopped when he noticed that Jenkins had defecated on himself, according to the information.

TopRamenBinLaden ,

I mean, it’s sexual assault obviously, but in this case, “using a sex toy on them” provides a bit more context than just generically labeling it as “sexual assault”. Sexual assault could be many different things.

The article also goes on to describe that they put the sex toys in the men’s mouth. I think the “used a sex toy on them” is just more descriptive in this situation, because if they used “sexual assault”, people would not be able to decipher what these POS officers actually did.

I do agree that the media can be terrible about minimizing sexual assault on men, but in this case I think the headline is more descriptive. Also , fuck these racist rapist cops.

ThatWeirdGuy1001 ,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

“Raped a man with a dildo”

Brings the same point across while accentuating what actually happened.

They raped him. They forcefully penetrated him with a fake penis. That’s rape even according to the current bullshit definition.

TopRamenBinLaden ,

I totally agree there. They should make it as graphic and specific as possible to really show how fucked up the situation is and show how terrible the perpetrators are, at least in my opinion.

CyberCatBytes ,
@CyberCatBytes@kbin.social avatar

This & the word "torture" could also mean many things yet they used it as well

rooster_butt ,

I agree with the article only using the word rape to describe that they were threatened to be anally raped. I think calling everything rape dilutes the meaning of the word. Forcefully stuffing a plastic or silicon object in someone’s mouth doesnt quite fit the word. Cops are absolute vile pieces of shit and I’m annoyed I had to read the article to know what the misleading headline was talking about. The comments weren’t helping either.

elevenfingerfrk ,

He wasn’t raped. He was subjected to enhanced interrogation. Besides, they sprinkled some crack on him so it’s all good.

GentlemanLoser ,

You “use a sex toy” on a partner.

It’s not a sex toy when you don’t consent; at that point, it’s just being raped with a foreign object.

TopRamenBinLaden ,

I agree. I never said anything different either. I am just saying that this provides more context than sexual assault. If I was in charge of the headline it would probably be “rapist and racist cops torture and rape suspects mouth with sex toy.” But I’m not. As an observer, I felt more informed by the headline than if it just said sexual assault or rape, and you were more informed, too.

GentlemanLoser ,

I reread your comment after I replied and realized I sounded like I was accusing you of otherwise. Not my intention and thanks for the note.

Cethin ,

“Raped with a sex toy” is more descriptive and accurate and almost the same length (shorter even) as “used a sex toy on them.”

Landrin201 , in Brigham Young University Adds Explicit Ban on 'Same-Sex Romantic Behavior' to Honor Code
@Landrin201@lemmy.ml avatar

I still don’t see how it’s legal for an accredited university to have rules prohibiting sexual activity of their students

Want to be a religious school? That’s fine, but you won’t be accredited to teach any Gen Ed classes. Have your catholic pastor school, or your rabbinical school, that’s fine. But you won’t be making those into general education colleges.

SheeEttin ,

Religious grounds. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to go there. And it’s private, so no federal funds that come with strings attached.

reddig33 ,

Unlike Baylor where they get federal funds but ignore federal rules anyway.

Spaghetti_Hitchens ,

We talking about the Baylor football rapists?

reddig33 ,
Landrin201 ,
@Landrin201@lemmy.ml avatar

If they don’t want to have rules that our society finds acceptable they don’t have any right to just exist. This isn’t a person were talking about they are an education institution. A school cannot by definition have a religion because it isn’t a person. I don’t particularly care if the people wo made the school are themselves religious; that should not give them the right to use their new founded institution to enforce those beliefs on other people. If you want to teach people I think you should be held to certain standards, and one of those standards is that you shouldn’t restrict the freedom of your students.

Having sexual morality rules is absolutely restricting their freedom. People have a right to privacy that such rules inherently violate.

Uranium3006 ,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

The church robs your parents with intense pressure to donate too much with the expectation you'll just end up at BYU. Lots of people are there because it was their only realistic option

SheeEttin ,

Yeah, which is why nobody should support Mormonism.

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

no need to do the whataboutisms here, just jump to the logical 'all religion is bad, m'kay'. it really is a nasty vestige of humanities upbringing... like slavery, but with more steps.

name_NULL111653 ,

In “Thus Spoke Zarathustra,” by Friederich Nietzsche, the “prophet” went into the forest to meditate on the death of god, and met a monk. He spoke to the monk, and only after leaving did he contemplate: “Has he not realized that god is dead?”

He never told the monk. He lets him believe what he wants, because god is dead, and religion will die soon enough without ruining the lives of those who depend on it - those who cannot accept the truth.

Nietzsche also said that many “should not read my books, if they can.” The realization of god’s non-credibility cannot be forced, one must come upon it on their own…

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

i am realizing now one of my favorite ideals (not sure where i heard it) seems derived from that; 'you cannot logic someone out of something they did not logic themselves into'

lars ,

Jonathan Swift appears to have authored its first incantation in 1721:

Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired

absentthereaper ,
@absentthereaper@lemmygrad.ml avatar

It doesn’t matter what religion you follow, I oppose this perceived ‘god given right’ for a religion to maintain its own little fief where their ‘honor code’ supersedes federal anti-discrimination law in its entirety

Kittengineer ,

If a religion said black people are a sin and should be avoided… and then started a school with rules banning any contact with black folks, would you treat it the same? Religious grounds, private school, just don’t go there?

dmonzel ,
@dmonzel@lemmy.world avatar

Wait, isn’t that just BYU 30 years ago?

Kittengineer ,

Exactly. We figured it that wasn’t right then in the same way this isn’t right now.

bobman ,

I would.

They certainly shouldn’t be receiving taxpayer money, but if people want to go to a place like that then they should be allowed to. If it teaches the material relevant to their discipline in a satisfactory way, I don’t see why accreditation agencies should look past that.

name_NULL111653 ,

If you sit at a table with 10 Nazis, there are 11 Nazis at the table.

The paradox of tolerating the intolerant…

bobman ,

I don’t understand how your scenario fits this situation.

Kittengineer ,

Take everything Nazis believe. Now just say it’s a religion. Now they start a school to spread their beliefs.

According to you, that’s totally ok… hence the statement.

The paradox of tolerance to a T

bobman ,

Well first off, we’re not talking about Nazis.

An accreditation agency shouldn’t be the ones who dictate what is done by colleges beyond academics. They’re not accrediting ‘social acceptance.’ They’re accrediting academic merit.

“Yeah they have a great x program, but we’re not going to accredit them because of their rules against same-sex PDA.”

This is just you being upset that everyone isn’t on board with censoring those you don’t like.

ATiredPhilosopher ,

You’ve missed the point - the world is moving on and cretins like the administration at BYU need to get the point. These motherfuckers don’t believe in evolution…that alone indicates they aren’t fit to educate. Fuck BYU and the LDS

bobman ,

No, I didn’t miss the point.

I just don’t agree with it.

BaldProphet ,
@BaldProphet@kbin.social avatar

Ironically, the best lesson about evolution I ever had was the subject of a course I took at Brigham Young University-Idaho. I highly recommend "From Atoms to Humans" for any students there.

Kittengineer ,

What is the difference between discriminating against blacks or Jews or women vs discriminating against gay people?

Being gay is not a choice. Someone liking people of the same sex is no more controllable than you liking members of the opposite sex. Do you actively choose to like women and dislike men (or vice versa if you’re a women)? Are you saying someone could tell you something and somehow convince you to find men attractive?

This isn’t censoring an opinion, this is basic human rights.

bobman ,

Lol, I don’t think you’re arguing with the right person.

None of what you’re telling me is new. You’re just ignoring my point and saying something.

None of this has to do with academic merit, which is what accreditation agencies are for.

Kittengineer ,

You brought up accreditation. I just asked if it should be allowed.

Here’s the theoretical: someone makes a religion based on Nazi values and makes a new school that teaches those values and enforces it too (so no Jews, Christians, gays, etc. and students and faculty cannot associate with said people).

Should that be allowed? I’m not asking if it should be accredited or not. Just should it be allowed. ie you are made ruler of the world and you get to decide if that should be accepted practices the the culture, values, and practices of the world you rule.

bobman ,

Should it be allowed, like, legally? Absolutely. As long as it isn’t receiving public money, they should be able to conduct their private business with who they want.

Do I like it? No. But just because I don’t like something doesn’t mean it should be forbidden.

Kittengineer ,

And there in lies the paradox of tolerance… which ultimately leads to the intolerant taking over.

assassin_aragorn ,

So if a private university teaches proper math classes, and also has a mandatory training class on war and tactics for establishing a non-white ethnostate, you’d be cool with people going there?

Shit with you in charge, the Nazis just needed to provide good education in the concentration camps and it’d be above board, wouldn’t it?

bobman ,

Sorry, I’m not going to entertain that hypothetical.

Keep believing what you want to believe. This has gotten old.

afraid_of_zombies ,

I forgot what Christian school did it but they banned interracial dating for a while as well.

Zetta ,

BYU should never receive any federal funds at all, in fact, they should be paying the government taxes.

Religion is disgusting

afraid_of_zombies ,

Federal funds go there and even if they didn’t they are still tax free.

evatronic ,

bycommonconsent.com/…/how-much-federal-money-do-t…

Private, less about $275,000,000 in federal funds, sure.

SheeEttin ,

Hmm. I’m not sure if student aid should be counted there or not. Grants to the university itself should absolutely be forbidden, but if a student chooses to go there, should we deny them assistance? Maybe.

regul ,

I feel, generally, that tax dollars should not go to private companies or institutions.

persolb ,

Lots of things people think are public are legally private. Most transit agencies, the people who print the US dollar, some state universities… etc.

Usually the bylaws of these private entities are formed to stipulate that the governor or someone picks the equivalent of the CEO.

bobman ,

If you’re funded by tax dollars, you should be a public entity.

That way the work still gets done, but money isn’t being wasted maximizing profit for owners.

regul ,

I know. And I think that is a failed model. Of course if your goal is to make certain people rich it’s a very successful model.

persolb ,

I’ve been parts of these discussions. There are certain things governments just can’t do the way they are currently setup.

An easy example I’m familiar with; some States’ rules are onerous enough that you couldn’t operate a transit system under them.

regul ,

Sounds like a “problem” created by people with an interest in the state not performing that role. There are many ways to privatize a state asset.

persolb ,

No, it is an organizational problem. It is functionally the reason that startups tend to stagnate when bought out… even if the host company ‘leaves them alone’.

A really simple example for transit: due to past corruption and or pay-to-play issues, most states (especially Democrat states) have pretty firm procurement guidelines. There are exceptions for emergencies, but the usually require the Governor’s office to chime in and aren’t intended for day-to-day items. A threshold of $100k isn’t unheard of for a forced sole-source procurement. I don’t want to waive that rule for government in general, but a transit agency that you want to actually meets service needs to not be waiting on the Governor to do so.

That specific issue is obviously solvable with a rule change… the meta issue is that State governments tends to create rules/laws without understanding how it breaks things

regul ,

I think one must be very credulous of the motives of politicians to accept that self-imposed state paralysis was an attempt to fight corruption and not an attempt to make the case for privatization more compelling. Neoliberal dismantling of state capacity has been a bipartisan goal for the last 50 years.

persolb ,

Who do you think makes money off of these ‘private’ transit agencies?

afraid_of_zombies ,

You aren’t being very reasonable here. There is not a way to make everything public. At some point you need the private sector. Do you expect the state of Florida to start digging up silicon, to make ICs, to make cop walkie-talkies?

Where the lines are and how best to structure this stuff is always going to be a challenge. If nothing else because it doesn’t lend itself to a first principles approach but instead an empirical one. We don’t know which should be down inhouse and which should be outsourced until it is tried. We see huge successes and huge failures. I think you would agree that your sewage system in your area does work, I can assure you private sector built/designed/and does most of the maintenance for it.

regul ,

Publicly-owned extractive industry is incredibly common. Publicly-owned utilities are incredibly common. Publicly-owned manufacturers used to be much more common, but still exist.

afraid_of_zombies ,

Publicly-owned extractive industry is incredibly common.

Not in any country you would choose to live in.

Publicly-owned utilities are incredibly common.

True.

Publicly-owned manufacturers used to be much more common, but still exist.

Why do you think that might be the case?

regul ,

I wouldn’t mind living in Norway or Denmark, but to each their own, I guess.

Why do you think that might be the case?

The neoliberal consensus, mostly. The legalized corruption and graft of privatization.

Neato ,
@Neato@kbin.social avatar

Student aid should count. That's money that could go to students seeking education in state schools, not religious schooling. This is just like bullshit voucher programs stealing tax payer funded school funds to be sent to religious schools.

If kids or their parents want to go to church school, they can pay for it themselves. Not the tax payer.

Uranium3006 ,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

I want a refund on my taxes. I shouldn't have to pay for this

bobman ,

Yeah, the anti-tax people kind of have a point sometimes.

A lot of taxpayer money gets funneled to bullshit.

evatronic ,

I have absolutely no problem with tax dollars going to towards the Pell Grant. Giving money to kids for an education is awesome.

I have a big problem when that money is for an education at a private religious school that openly and actively discriminates against protected classes.

bobman ,

I mean, we should just do what has been proven to work around the world and make college free to everyone who can get in.

evatronic ,

Well, that’s just lunacy. How would private schools embezzle federal funds?

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  • lars ,

    Unfortunately, no one believes they are wealthy. Some believe they are comfortable. All believe they could have more.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Some of the blue states are near there with community colleges. I agree the program needs to be expanded.

    lars ,

    This part is a slippery slope that I don’t have a pithy hot take for. I wish I did.

    I mean, do I really want to wait from 1776 or 1791 until 2013¹ for the state to mandate that all marriage license-issuing court clerks be required to issue marriage licenses to any unmarried pair of adults, even if the pair was assigned the same gender at birth?

    Lots of Americans still resent that those clerks are funded by their tax dollars.


    1. marriage between those without matching birth-certificate sex was the only legal marriage in the United States during this period
    afraid_of_zombies ,

    Get in line, I still want my money from the 2nd Iraq war. I was too young to vote against it and protested it. Yet to see my refund.

    radix ,
    @radix@lemmy.world avatar

    Accrediting agencies in the US are privately operated, too. There’s a layer of independent oversight between the Department of Education and the schools themselves.

    Whether that’s good or bad is far beyond my knowledge, but that’s how it’s legal. It’s just one private organization giving a thumbs up to another private organization.

    bobman ,

    I don’t see what accreditation has to do with rules like this.

    echodot ,

    It’s also not a great marketing move.

    “Come to university but don’t sleep around”, na mate I’ll go somewhere else.

    Finding out who you are is the whole point of going to university, otherwise you might as well take an online course.

    Idiots.

    olmec ,

    I understand what your getting at, but the point of going to a university is getting an education. All other activities are secondary to this. If you have other goals, you can do those just as easy without going into debt, and taking a spot from someone else.

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    It could be more than one thing. The point of me going to work is to make money but I can also enjoy the company of my coworkers.

    MotoAsh ,

    They don’t want kids coming of age. They’re a religion. That’s stupidly normal for religions, to keep children as innocent as literal children for as long as possible. The only coming of age is supposed to happen on the honeymoon, because you know, that’s not dangerously emotionally underdeveloped territory at all and totally never results in horribly incompatible people ending up forced together…

    afraid_of_zombies ,

    The parents are making the decision.

    Gingerlegs , in Infamous fiasco Fyre Festival relaunches — and is already sold out

    “There’s an old saying in Tennessee—I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, ‘Fool me once, shame on…shame on you. Fool me—you can’t get fooled again.’”

    rockSlayer ,

    Somehow we elected that fool twice and then elected someone so bad it made him look good

    chaogomu ,

    The first time, the Conservatives on the Supreme Court stopped the vote counting when it looked like Bush would lose Florida. The legal justification used was "because we want Bush to win".

    The second time was a combination of Swift Boating and the man who oversaw the Ohio part of the election, literally worked for the Bush Campaign. Which turned out like this.

    norbert ,
    @norbert@kbin.social avatar

    It's why the GOP keeps insisting there's cheating during elections, because they do it.

    It's also why they insist any leftist with any platform is "funded by Soros" because they're all funded by shady billionaires.

    vlad76 ,
    @vlad76@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I really don’t think that the human race has evolved as much as we thing it has. We’re still throwing poop at each other.

    Hazdaz ,

    It is pretty amazing that no matter how bad these Republican politicians are, the country seems to forgive and forget about it and is willing to give the next Republican another fair shot.

    And this has been going on for decades now. We are now dealing with Trump, but before that was W and before that was Reagan and before that was Nixon. Each one was incredibly unpopular. Each one embroiled in controversy and corruption and incompetence. And yet it seems like the second these clowns step out of the White House, the American people are right back to willing to give the GOP another shot at running the show. It’s like we collectively have the memory of a goldfish, and we can’t process the idea that maybe, just maybe, the party that is always condemning the government, maybe isn’t well suited to actually running that same government.

    Kecessa ,

    You’re just stuck with your undemocratic electoral process 🤷

    I would gladly see the US split in four or five countries just to grab a bowl of popcorn and watch the republican parts become the third world country they so dearly wish to become.

    dezmd ,
    @dezmd@lemmy.world avatar
    Auduras ,

    I’ve heard that he didn’t complete the sentence because he didn’t want a record of him saying “shame on me”.

    JakenVeina ,

    And yet what he DID say got memed WAY harder than “shame on me” ever would have.

    zefiax ,

    Ya but better than videos showing thousands of innocent dead Iraqi civilians followed by a clip of him saying shame on me.

    PP_BOY_ ,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah but it got memed a decade after he left office. Flubbing up one quote is much better than giving the press a sound clip of you saying “shame on me” while running for reelection after one of the most controversial presidencies.

    MicroWave OP , in Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online
    @MicroWave@lemmy.world avatar

    “It’s becoming all too commonplace to see everyday citizens performing necessary functions for our democracy being targeted with violent threats by Trump-supporting extremists," Jones said. "The lack of political leadership on the right to denounce these threats — which serve to inspire real-world political violence— is shameful.

    And there’s also this:

    Yesterday — after Trump posted on his social media website that authorities were going “after those that fought to find the RIGGERS!” — Advance Democracy noted that Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
    @Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social avatar

    Advance Democracy noted that Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.

    Classy as ever

    Acronymesis , (edited )
    @Acronymesis@lemmy.world avatar

    The instant I saw the word “RIGGERS” in his bitch ass post yesterday, I knew exactly what it actually meant. Just more dog whistling fog horn blasting racism from The Cheeto Mussolini. 😡

    dual_sport_dork ,
    @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

    Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.

    How to get your ass kicked by A/V professionals, 3D animators, and pirates… all in one fell swoop!

    JustZ ,
    @JustZ@lemmy.world avatar

    Don’t forget shipbuilders, pipefitters, and crane operators.

    eestileib ,

    Many navy vets too.

    OkToBeTakei ,

    Jones said. "The lack of political leadership on the right to denounce these threats — which serve to inspire real-world political violence— is shameful.”

    this is the worst part, the most disingenuous garbage, and what makes fighting agains this even harder.

    REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP WANTS AND SUPPORTS THIS

    the sooner we all acknowledge this and treat Republicans - collectively - as the FASCIST THREAT that they are, we all will lose.

    SIGSEGV ,

    Uh, I think those that are inclined have already acknowledged this. The others are very likely a lost cause, if this recent spate of reporting hasn’t convinced them that Trump is a freaking manipulator and crook. Where do we go from here? I don’t know how so many extremists could possibly just, you know, stop being so extreme. Naively, a civil war could fix the issue, but that is the last thing we need–war is never the answer.

    LarryTheMatador ,

    Where do we go from here. Step 1. Name the problem. Fascism Step 2. Admit we have a problem. Weve allowed fascism to infect the united states Step 3. ??? Id suggest we look at history and start listening to brightest minds on this subject.

    SIGSEGV ,

    It is crazy that this isn’t a United States problem, either. All one has to do is look to Australia, Canada, and the UK to see that fascism is rampant. I’m looking for those brightest minds, because I’m certainly not one of them.

    LarryTheMatador ,

    I think trumpism metasticized globally. I think “conservatives” were always waiting for a strongman cult of personality leader like a sleeper terrorist cell and trump provided a global roadmap.

    pinkdrunkenelephants ,

    The next step is breaking away from them completely and building an alternate economy they’re not allowed to participate in. Left only banks and stores and whatnot.

    If you all don’t, the right will simply take over the institutions you think will serve everyone fairly and boot you out of it, just like they did the judiciary.

    GreenMario ,

    “we are all domestic terrorists”

    grue ,

    "The lack of political leadership on the right to denounce these threats — which serve to inspire real-world political violence— is shameful.

    Charge every Republican politician who fails to publicly denounce them as an accessory to whatever crimes get committed against these grand jurors.

    YoBuckStopsHere OP , (edited ) in In-N-Out bans employees from wearing masks
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar

    Fun Fact: Roughly half of all cases of food poisoning in the US are due to sick employees not wearing masks.

    Sick Workers Connected to 41 Percent of Food Poisoning Outbreaks, CDC Reports

    Izzgo ,

    That's an interesting and even plausible sounding statistic. I wonder if you have a source?

    Jeff ,

    Not OP but I too wanted to know a source so I did a search on this cool new website I invented with Al Gore called google.fu and found this from Smithsonian Magazine:

    The study examined 800 foodborne illness outbreaks reported by 25 state and local health departments between 2017 and 2019. Of the roughly 500 outbreaks linked to at least one known contributing factor, 205 of them, or 41 percent, involved ill workers.Jun 2, 202

    /s about inventing that with Al Gore. It was actually Tom Landry.

    masterofn001 ,

    I read that as A.I. gore. Like a poorly designed artificial intellifence.

    ronalicious ,

    I,for one, support this claim regardless of it’s veracity! :)

    YoBuckStopsHere OP ,
    @YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world avatar
    roguetrick ,

    What do you base that off of? Most food poisoning is due to bad storage of food resulting in bacterial toxins even after it's cooked. Only Norovirus has an oral route that I can think of (and that's usually based around projectile vomiting that then ends up on hands).

    takeda ,
    roguetrick , (edited )

    ? That just says salmonella and norovirus and encourages hand hygiene. Masks wouldn't help there. To be clear, I want safe food handling, I'm just also a nurse and prefer reasonable approaches over theater. Foodborn illness generally doesn't benefit from droplet projections.

    takeda ,

    Yeah parent poster added the masks into the comment, but the study did not mention them, but as the study says, the improper hand hygiene is responsible for large number of food poisonings.

    Why the study doesn't talk about masks? Likely because it was done before pandemic so no one wore masks in that setting. Second thing is that generally they are concerned about serious diseases and if somebody would report catching a cold from eating at restaurant will simply be ignored. People are also less likely to report because it's harder to be sure where cold came from.

    Though if diseases transferred via dirty hands caused 41% of outbreaks, then I believe it's safe to say that air borne disease is more likely to transfer that way, it's just a kind of diseases that no one cared about until we had covid, and only in 2020.

    CmdrShepard ,

    What’s unreasonable about someone else choosing to wear a mask when they’re sick? Even if it’s not causing foodborne illnesses, it’s still spreading the illness to other staff and customers.

    roguetrick ,

    The comment is nonsense. It's a made up statistic. That's whats unreasonable.

    CmdrShepard ,

    This “made up statistic” is the “unreasonable approach to safe food handling” that you referred to earlier? That doesn’t make sense as statistics are data not actions to follow when handling food.

    Are you arguing that a stranger freely deciding to wear a mask when they’re sick is too unreasonable in your eyes and should be banned? That’s ridiculous.

    roguetrick ,

    No, I am not arguing that and I don't particularly know why you think I am since I never indicated it. I objected to the idea that masks would prevent half of food borne illnesses, when they would likely prevent none. If you base your actions off of something as ridiculous as that, you are not taking a reasonable approach to safe food handling.

    If you think you're arguing with an anti masker, you're not. Like I said, I'm a nurse and provided direct patient care to people dying from COVID.

    pizza_rolls ,
    @pizza_rolls@kbin.social avatar

    The type of people who ban masks are also the type of people that think you should be forced to work when sick 🤮

    ashok36 ,

    To be fair, if you’re getting food poisoning from someone preparing your food it’s probably not the end covered by the mask that’s the problem.

    user_Blue ,

    Correlation, not causation. Is my food poisoning orally contagious? A sick employee may care a lot less about the quality of food they’re preparing, causing more people to get sick from rotten food on average. There are too many variables to even consider in this.

    Varyk , in Vice President Harris chooses Tim Walz as running mate.

    haha, okay, he’s the guy that came up with the “just weird” label for trrmp and vance, that’s a strong enough starting endorsement for me

    TransplantedSconie , in NASA Is ‘Evaluating All Options’ to Get the Boeing Starliner Crew Home

    Lmao.

    I’m sorry to laugh, but it’s just the absurdity of it all.

    The downward spiral of Boeing is insane.

    Pistcow ,

    I got hired 2 days before all this shit! Had a pretty alright gig as a regional analyst before accepting. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    NegativeInf ,

    At this point I’m expecting the big Boeing building down the street by NASA to collapse in on itself and the doors to be found 3 towns over.

    sp3tr4l ,

    It would be quite something if the Everett assembly building collapsed like a circus tent.

    Largest building by volume in the world.

    en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Everett_Factory

    Lookorex ,

    I literally just learned about that about an hour ago on a documentary show I’m watching.

    Pistcow ,

    The parking is worse than Disneyland and it takes 30 minutes to get from your car to desk.

    pmmeyourseedbombs ,

    So it’s a fitness benefit

    Pistcow ,

    except in the summer when you get dwamp gooch before reaching your desk.

    thisorthatorwhatever ,

    The irony of not being able to spiral downward, when spiraling downward.

    Bell ,

    This is how you know when to buy their stock

    Mediocre_Bard , in Elon Musk’s X Is Reportedly Resisting a Subpoena in Jeffrey Epstein-Related Legal Case

    Shouldn’t have fucked those kids.

    DessertStorms ,
    @DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Shouldn’t have fucked raped those kids.

    FTFY

    whostosay ,

    So we have 22 per hour upvoting OP and and 8 per hour upvoting logic, WHAT THE FUCK

    Iheartcheese ,
    @Iheartcheese@lemmy.world avatar

    What

    whostosay ,

    I was measuring at the time how many people up voted fucked, vs upvoted the proper term rape per hour. And I think my math stands.

    Iheartcheese ,
    @Iheartcheese@lemmy.world avatar

    What a strange thing to scream what the fuck over

    whostosay ,

    I’ve reached that conclusion. I had a good ol spin out earlier.

    Madrigal ,

    Top-level comments always get more votes than replies.

    whostosay ,

    Might just even out actually, I was a shitter for my comment but that was at 22 and 7, were at 100/50

    catch22 ,

    Omitted variable bias? Did you consider decline of votes over time as post ages.

    whostosay ,

    I didn’t consider much, it was pretty reactionary.

    Rottcodd , in Supreme Court wipes out anti-corruption law that bars officials from taking gifts for past favors

    Literally, officially, it’s now entirely legal under federal law for officials to accept and even solicit bribes for specific services rendered, just so long as they do it after, rather than before, the service is rendered.

    They aren’t even pretending to be a legitimate court of law any more - they’re just a rubber-stamping service for the oligarchy.

    Gradually_Adjusting ,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s long past time to flush these turds

    kamenlady ,
    @kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, they are actually just seeing how far they can go by now. This is a direct “Fuck you” right in our faces.

    NegativeLookBehind ,
    @NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

    And not a single one of us can or will do anything about it.

    FenrirIII ,
    @FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

    There is no process or procedure that can undo these people. The system has failed us.

    Etterra ,

    Well there is, but it’s illegal and these bastards sure ain’t gonna endanger their own lives.

    orcrist ,

    Historically that’s not true. We have had disastrous governments and Supreme Courts in the past, and yet the country somehow survived. It’s just that they do so much damage while they’re around.

    And just because things held together in the past is no guarantee that they will hold together in the future.

    Rather than saying that the system has failed us, I think it’s more accurate to say that the system has been failing the vast majority of Americans for many years.

    Drusas ,

    just so long as they do it after, rather than before, the service is rendered.

    Other way around. They can accept the bribe, but only after they have given whatever political favor they sold.

    Rottcodd ,

    Right. Go back and reread it - that’s what I said.

    lone_faerie ,

    There’s also nothing stopping them from taking a bribe for something they’ve already done if they do something else. “Hey, I’ll pay you for the books you banned if you make hrt illegal”

    garretble , (edited ) in My Health Insurance Company Is Trying To Kill Me
    @garretble@lemmy.world avatar

    “Death panels!” the conservatives shouted. “The government will have death panels!”

    The rubes ate it up, not realizing they had death panels the entire time and paid more for them.

    cheese_greater ,

    And the only death panels were all the insurance company death panels that already existed all along the way

    rubes

    I call them Rubels

    barsquid ,

    Seriously. The real Obama Death Panel is a lone worker mass-clicking “not covered” all the way down a spreadsheet that has your care as a line items.

    I also like doing this juxtaposition:

    Repubs under Obama: “death panels are going to kill our grandmas.”

    Repubs under Donald: “sacrifice all grandmas to the rising line.”

    EvacuateSoul ,

    Not to mention the part of the bill they were referring to was paying doctors for end of life counseling, like living wills, which help people die with comfort and dignity.

    Bluefalcon , in Jerry Seinfeld’s Teen Girlfriend Saga Resurfaces After Duke Walkout

    Why does everyone keep bring up my kid dating? In my day you could date kids and no one would bat an eye. Now the woke mob says it’s bad. Go woke go broke

    Son_of_dad ,

    Can’t expect him to think it’s wrong when I’m his world it isn’t. Even lovable celebrities like Guillermo del Toro signed petitions to pardon Polanski. All the rockstars of the 70s fucked kids. Savile got away with it because everyone who knew let him. The ex and likely next president is a rapist who wants to fuck his own daughter and people are defending him for it.

    Bluefalcon ,

    So extra money leads to kid touching? Seems like it. Pre subway jarred= no kids Subway money jarred= Arrested for fucking kids.

    Son_of_dad ,

    Guess money makes you stop giving a fuck about consequences since there are rarely any

    girlfreddy ,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Money also makes them stop giving a fuck about anyone except themselves. Selfishness and greed become their only motivations.

    andrew_bidlaw ,
    @andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

    People with a long-going abundance of money lacking brainjuice can rarely imagine the way to spend them, and they want the most exclusive and unavailable thing there is. For some reason it’s a trend within their circles that pedophilia is Sex 2.0 exclusive to elites, and nothing in their head rings an alarm, or just a bullshit detector. Besides obvious anger about what they do, why do they choose that of all things? There’s so much more gated behind the paywall that they can get, like extreme(ly expensive) sports, property design and management, investing into start ups and following them, top tier education and getting acclaimed in scientifical\professional fields, traveling to a new place every other week or just riding in an MBT for groceries shopping. Is there some street cred coming with that or what? It’s just stupid.

    aStonedSanta ,

    It’s a very hard thing to buy and it’s very taboo. Sounds like a rich persons dream.

    Cethin ,

    I think it’s more that not giving a fuck about hurting someone makes you more likely to become rich, and being rich makes it easier to get away with things.

    Bluefalcon ,

    I feel increased money brings out the real you.

    jpreston2005 ,

    increased money and power correlate negatively with the portion of your brain responsible for empathizing with others. The more money/power you have, the smaller that portion of your brain is. Here’s a landmark study that’s since been cited over 200 times

    daltotron ,

    I’m gonna go with like an alternative viewpoint here and say that, rather than it being kind of like, a inevitability of human behavior once you reach a certain point of like, not giving a shit about consequences, or like, having enough power, you just lose touch with reality and become a pedo like, automatically (which is kind of a weird self-report). I’m gonna say that instead, it’s probably because of that kind of mentality. Because it’s seen as a sort of inevitable thing, once you reach a high enough status. Because of the mentality of like, women at younger and younger ages being seen as more desirable sexually, because of like this weird collective cultural fetish around female innocence and beauty, and even naivety, to some degree. You ever notice that weird like, “born yesterday” movie trope, where some chick has like, amnesia, or is a robot, or whatever, and so is a kid, but is also supposed to be like, smokin’? Like the fifth element. That movie’s still pretty good, but that shit’s weird af as a trope, probably evidence of cultural baggage, it’s like the western version of the thousand year old loli.

    Probably all wrapped up in like some old timey patriarchy shit I need to read up on. Maybe due to the prevalence of child brides in sort of like, societies in which inheritance is a thing? Like, patrilineal societies, maybe, where marriage asap at the capacity of childbirth is seen as a thing which sort of, preserves patrilineal inheritance. Then something to do with like, the western nuclear family’s imposition on history, to sort of, retroactively frame history along the lines that it provides, while also unconsciously adopting, nonsensically, some of the same historical, cultural narratives that were propagated around patrilineal inheritance in order to attempt to justify it.

    There’s some through-line there, probably. Something along those lines.

    I think it’s pretty inarguable that sexual attraction in some way is affected by the standards of the society in which you’re raised on a pretty fundamental level, so, probably it’s due to like an extremely depressing and fucked up societal standard, I would think, more than just like. Ahh, they’re rich, so, the pedo switch flipped in their head. Like, once they realized they could, they just did, kinda thing, and then it all ends there and nobody asks any questions as to why that switch was there in the first place.

    DogWater ,

    Stop typing the word like…I can’t parse this writing

    wide_eyed_stupid ,
    @wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s like, totally unreadable, like, my mind just, sort of, shuts down, like it really, sort of, hurts, you know?

    Like, AAAAAHHHH. Sort of.

    daltotron ,

    I just write in the same way that I talk, and I’m a west coast valley girl, sue me

    it’s the memetic filter, only gay people are allowed to read what I post

    captainlezbian ,

    Fully agree. Our culture’s insistence on sexualizing innocence and virginity plays a huge role. It’s gross and concerning.

    oxideseven ,

    409 words, 16 sentences, 19 uses of the word like. It’s the most used word (tied with “of”) counting for 4.6% of the text.

    :D

    tamal3 ,

    No, the records of families at the impoverished school I work at suggest money has nothing to do with it. You wouldn’t want to hear what some of these kids experience.

    Twinklebreeze ,

    I hate everything Guillermo has ever touched, and I’m always shocked when people like it. All style, no substance.

    daltotron ,

    I mean he’s a movie director, I think “all style” is kind of a good appeal for those to generally have, especially for popcorn bucket kind of movies, right? Substance is generally something people actually hate in movies, in my experience.

    refalo ,

    all style is kindof the point lol

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Right-wing hero Ted Nugent “adopted” a teenage girl so he could fuck her back in the 70s.

    Barack_Embalmer ,

    Tough-guy Ted “Bundy” Nugent also shat on himself to dodge the Vietnam draft.

    refalo ,

    Also wrote a song called jailbait

    can ,
    Bluefalcon ,

    No shame

    KoboldCoterie , in Judge awards $23.5 million to undercover St. Louis officer beaten by colleagues during protest
    @KoboldCoterie@pawb.social avatar

    While I’m glad he was awarded the judgement, it’s wild that an undercover cop gets 23.5 million, while tons of civilians are also beaten by police and receive much lesser judgements, if they’re lucky enough to get anything at all…

    tiefling ,

    What are you talking about? They receive plenty of pepper spray, rubber bullets, high pressure water, and sometimes even lead

    Zorsith ,
    @Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Don’t forget the espionage (dont bring your phones to a protest) and tear gas

    HelixDab2 ,

    Didn’t you hear? NOT bringing your phone to a protest proves that you had malicious intent.

    …Or, that’s the argument of the prosecution in the Stop Cop City RICO cases in Atlanta. (Which, BTW, is being prosecuted by the state, since the Atlanta DA refused to press the case.)

    Transporter_Room_3 ,
    @Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

    Yes because not wanting a valuable piece of equipment that is all but essential in modern society to get broken and leaving it elsewhere while you attend a gathering is just impossible.

    Do these people even think before they speak, or do they actually think that’s a valid argument?

    I left my phone at home last time I went to a water park. I am a criminal who had bad intentions, better lock me up

    Soggy ,

    It doesn’t have to valid, it just has to give them a flimsy excuse to violate your rights. It’s not about justice it’s about punishing people who speak up.

    fmstrat ,

    Hopefully this case can be used as precedence going forward. Who the victim was shouldn’t play a role there.

    nondescripthandle ,

    Ill say it im not glad he got a settlement. He knew what he was doing going undercover at a protest and it was likely ‘try to entrap protestors’

    reddig33 , in Some Colleges Will Soon Charge $100,000 a Year. How Did This Happen?

    Greed. Get ready because they’re coming for free public k-12 next.

    MeekerThanBeaker ,

    Nah. They just want to cut funding, not cut it completely. They need the dumb kids to grow up to be dumb workers and dumb voters. And to keep their own children in private schools to continue to rule over the poors.

    Icalasari ,

    Ah, but cutting it completely means they could potentially go back to child labour, and they've already been trying to set the ground work for it

    iheartneopets ,

    You must live in a state where charter schools aren’t part of normal political discourse. It is happening, and it is what they’re striving for. They want the private schools, yes, but the mostly want unregulated for-profit religious charter schools where there is no oversight in what kids are taught (or if they’re taught)

    quindraco ,

    There’s a real and important underlying reason you’re completely missing.

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