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tsonfeir , in California officer shoots and kills boy, 15, holding gardening tool
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

There are great questions as to whether it was appropriate to use deadly force against a 15-year-old autistic kid who was having an episode,

RinseDrizzle ,

Ooh, I can answer this one:

No

AeonFelis ,

I’ll write that down as a “maybe”.

mods_are_assholes ,

To the cops? Yes.

Mental illness is always a license for them to kill, it happens ridiculously often even by statistical count.

Something about unexpected responses and unpredictable reactions to shouting and gun waving that give the pigs an excuse to shoot.

Remember that deaf guy that was killed because of his whittling knife? I don’t think the cop suffered any consequences except a paid vacation and an innocent and confused life was lost and the world turns on.

Just crossing the street and clueless the cop was even calling out and bam bam bam shot from behind and he died bleeding out in confusion and fear.

And 1/3 of the country applauded the cop for his community centered focus on reducing the number of undesirables.

Son_of_dad , in Uvalde schoolchildren were massacred under a sheriff’s watch. He was still undefeated on Super Tuesday

I’ve said it before, Uvalde had a chance to bring about change and they immediately voted Abbott back in and their community reelected the same sheriffs and judges who did nothing while their kids died. After a point my sympathy is used to for these people, if they don’t care about their own kids and community, why should I?

stoly ,

Yep. This is why I stopped feeling sorry for people in red states.

Ensign_Crab ,

The victims of Republican policies deserve no sympathy because they committed the sin of being outnumbered?

stoly ,

No, because there is only so much compassion someone can have before needing to become practical.

Ensign_Crab ,

Republicans’ victims are disposable so long as they’re stuck in red states. Loud and clear.

stoly ,

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  • Ensign_Crab ,

    I live in Texas, so I deserve to be mistreated because I’m outnumbered, according to you.

    stoly ,

    You’re toxic and deserve to be blocked by me, which I am doing now. Grow up and stop proving my point.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    Ignoring people because you hate them for being outnumbered is already what you said you were doing.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    You’re toxic and deserve to be blocked by me, which I am doing now. Grow up and stop proving my point.

    They were not being toxic, and they were making valid points that you were refusing to debate, by side-stepping them.

    If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

    stoly ,

    Debate? It was a personal attack because they took my opinion personally. There is such a thing as being exasperated and I have a right to experience that without justification. Am I sorry that they live in a shithole state? Yes. Do I have any more fucks to give? No.

    CosmicCleric ,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Debate? It was a personal attack because they took my opinion personally.

    That’s not what happened. They didn’t take your opinion personally, they were pushing back against the assertion of your opinion, debating you. They were not emotional in any way.

    There is such a thing as being exasperated

    And you hit that point way too quickly. Honestly, it seems like you were the one being emotional and taking things personally, and not the person you were responding to.

    and I have a right to experience that without justification.

    No, not really. At least not if you are participating on an online forum of conversation. You are polluting the conversational ‘town square’ with your overly emotional responses, and they ruin the conversational experience for the rest of us (which is already borderline here on Lemmy). You really need to take an inner look at how you respond to others in public.

    Am I sorry that they live in a shithole state? Yes. Do I have any more fucks to give? No.

    Fair enough (and sorry to hear that, hope the situation changes for you in the future, truly). But that doesn’t mean you get to emotionally dismiss and/or be rude to others, delude yourself to that fact, and when they challenge you on your responses not expect any kind of pushback.

    Anyway, take my advice any way you want (I’m not going to respond further), but for the record, it was given sincerely, and not to score Internet points. If we the community don’t strive for a higher standard of intercommunication with each other, then the ‘town square’ goes to shit.

    stoly ,

    And you hit that point way too quickly.

    I’m not exasperate with the user, I am exasperated with red states.

    I am tired of being part of an oppressed minority yet eveyrone seems to expect that I am the one who has to adjust, I am the one who has to be extra fair to others after a lifetime of the same poeple you would have me give extra room being out to literally have me executed. I am tired of watching states restrict my rights and then be told that I have to actually feel sorry for all the people. It’s a weird thing, honestly, that I who don’t live there should be expected to care for people who live there more than other people who live there. It’s disingenuous. It’s unfair. I’m done with it.

    Illuminostro ,

    How ironic, I’m blocking you for showing us exactly who you are. Thank you.

    AquaTofana ,

    Bruh I live in Texas too, and the second that Abbott was re-voted in, in 2022, after the 6 week “Heartbeat Bill”, AND he took Uvalde after his “Coulda Been Worse” comments, that’s when I was like “To hell with this fucking state.”

    I vote in every election, even for the piddly local shit, but I do not expect change, and the second that I’m able to, I’m out.

    You can only expect people to have compassion for those of us residing in deep red states for so long. Abbott was a popular vote. And he won by a lot.

    I’m trying to remain hopeful/optimistic for Allred. I really do think he can usher in an Era of change.

    piskertariot ,

    As a Canadian who lives in Alberta, this pains me.

    I despise our provincial government. I vote in every election. I reach out to my electors who I disagree with. And it doesn’t matter because a bunch of old “got mine” boomers rich on oil money, keep voting in their shitty friends who are looting the public in plain view.

    Why don’t I move? Because the whole fucking world seems to be going this way, and the housing market is insane.

    stoly ,

    This is also why it’s worth living in a place like Vancouver or San Francisco. Yes it’s expensive but you’re safe and will be respected by the people around you.

    Custoslibera ,

    It’s infuriating.

    How can you live in that community and be happy with this as an outcome?

    Zero accountability for anyone with the blood of literal children on their hands but I’m sure they’ll go after the corrupting influence of ‘woke’ Democrats.

    harderian729 ,

    Texans are some of the most delusional people on the planet.

    Once you realize this, a lot of their behaviors start to make sense.

    CaptainProton ,

    Because their police standards and practices are, by and large, our deep blue city police standards and practices. Some minor differences sure but you transplant people from one department to another and they’ll fit right in.

    RememberTheApollo_ ,

    Republicans have repeatedly proven that dead kids are a price they’re willing to pay if it means they don’t have to elect a democrat.

    Every school shooting ever is proof of that. They want to keep that barrier against gun control in place at any price.

    wahming ,

    The guy won against 3 other republican contenders, so it’s not even about party politics

    RememberTheApollo_ ,

    That’s just sad.

    ryathal ,

    He only got the plurality vote though l, so it’s likely the contenders split the vote against him.

    Psychodelic ,

    That’s a wild take. lol. I’d never let the beliefs of others factor in my support for… kids.

    Son_of_dad ,

    I can’t do anything for their kids. They can. And they won’t and don’t care.

    Me supporting their kids is nothing but empty words.

    Reverendender , in [FTC to landlords] Price fixing by algorithm is still price fixing

    And immediate consequences will result for the violators I assume?

    Wooster ,
    @Wooster@startrek.website avatar

    I just read the joint legal brief, and, I have to say up front that I am not remotely a lawyer… but the document specifies how and where to identify price fixing, and that motions to dismiss those charges are to be dismissed.

    So it doesn’t dictate the penalties for price fixing (I assume that’s on a trial by trial basis—but again, not a lawyer), but it makes it impossible(?) to ignore, and suggests that (to me), users of ‘RENTMaximizer’ will be in the crosshairs… while not actually stating that.

    Reverendender ,

    Thanks, friend. My optimism has increased by 3-5%. It now sits at 3-5%. (Seriously, thanks though. That’s some quality researching)

    Tangent5280 ,

    There will be an investigation into the algorithms you use to estimate optimism, to make sure you do not collude with Hopelords to inflate optimism quotients and rob hopees through conspiracy. Do not resist.

    tryptaminev ,

    Does penalties in this case also mean compensation of the renters, whose wealth has been potentially robbed through illegal practices?

    Wooster ,
    @Wooster@startrek.website avatar

    Mm… again not a lawyer, but I think that question goes beyond the scope of the document.

    It basically gives the government permission to hold renters accountable for using software to artificially raise prices. What form that accountability takes is not addressed. Either that’s covered under existing collusion laws or is up to the courts.

    So, it’s an essential ingredient to the cake that you’re describing… but unless prosecution (or whatever the term actually is) brings that up (I assume?), it won’t happen.

    Witchfire ,
    @Witchfire@lemmy.world avatar

    Only if you have the legal funds to take a landlord megacorp to court

    catloaf ,

    If they can show collusion amongst landlords in the form of them all agreeing to use software like rentmaximizer, yes. But if individual landlords see an ad for rentmaximizer, or even hear about it through word of mouth, and decide to use it on their own, not via a shared agreement with other landlords, then it’s not collusion.

    Reverendender ,

    Interesting. To my non-lawyer mind, use of these types of algorithms is collusion by definition.

    mosiacmango ,

    The FTC agrees.

    mods_are_assholes ,

    Yes, the person you are replying to may not have the most accurate take on the situation.

    Reverendender ,

    On the internet? It can’t be!

    Wooster ,
    @Wooster@startrek.website avatar

    The joint legal brief clarifies that it is indeed collusion. And continues to explain how this is a technological evolution of the handshake.

    phdepressed ,

    That type of direct agreement is not necessary to prove collusion (makes it easier to prosecute certainly) but intent doesn’t matter legally. Using a software that has an inbuilt collusion algorithm is still collusion. This is also on a larger scale than mom+pop these algorithms and software were/are used by much larger companies that own magnitudes more units.

    theneverfox ,
    @theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

    Their stance is “if it’s illegal for a person to do it, it’s illegal for an algorithm to do it”

    If you use a 3rd party to collude, that’s still collusion. Here, that algorithm is the third party

    mods_are_assholes ,

    Sorry, no.

    halcyoncmdr ,
    @halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world avatar

    The AZ Attorney General seems to be working on it at least.

    azag.gov/…/attorney-general-mayes-sues-realpage-a…

    FiniteBanjo ,

    Lots of people act like justice never comes from the Federal government to corporations, as if FaceBook isn’t paying Billions in FTC fines for the next 2 decades. Punishments get dolled out all the time, but nobody talks about it.

    go_go_gadget ,

    Why would people care? Even if we assume the fine isn’t so trivial it’s just a cost of doing business people don’t get that money nor does the federal government turn around and say “Good news everyone this means we can afford universal healthcare now!”

    FiniteBanjo ,

    Even if it’s not as good as a criminal prosecution, it definitely does a lot to keep for profit companies in line. Without these various fines and rulings, the world would be a much worse place.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    Even if it’s not as good as a criminal prosecution, it definitely does a lot to keep for profit companies in line.

    Does it? Because gestures broadly at the entire economy.

    FiniteBanjo , (edited )

    Let us look at an example where this sort of regulation was in place, and then went away:

    In March 2014, Abbott lobbied to delay implementations of and even remove FDA Regulations on baby formula which would require more frequent inspections (and therefor fines), citing that the company was already morally and monetarily incentivized to control the quality of product without the need of oversight.

    Abbott Baby Formula facility in Sturgis, Michigan, was linked to the infection of 5 infants and death of 2 infants, and revealed to have shipped untested batches of formula with falsified reports from management. This lead to the inevitable shutdown of the entire facility and following nationwide shortage of infant formula.

    So, yes, fining companies to keep them in line is working when the alternative is that the unchecked corporations do things so catastrophically stupid that they run their own businesses into the ground.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    So, yes, fining companies to keep them in line is working when the alternative is that the unchecked corporations do things so catastrophically stupid that they run their own businesses into the ground.

    I submit that such circumstances are rare, and that the usual case is that fines are a tiny fraction of the money companies being in by breaking the law.

    FiniteBanjo ,

    Sure, I never argued otherwise.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    So, as before:

    gestures broadly at entire economy

    FiniteBanjo ,

    Actually, as before it was:

    Does it? Because gestures broadly at the entire economy.

    And the answer to that was yes. Fines serve a purpose.

    Ensign_Crab ,

    Yeah, the purpose they serve is to set a cost for breaking the law that is almost always lower than the profits gained by doing so.

    In order to encourage the economy we have.

    ElectroVagrant , in Georgia Senate passes bill banning taxpayer, private funds for American Library Association

    […] the group’s agenda and politics were inconsistent with Georgia’s conservative values.

    In other words, supporting open access to a broad range of varied information is against their conservative values. Not that that’s news to anyone following conservative behaviors, but it must be emphasized for those that don’t.

    Alongside that, undercutting a source of funds may not be banning books, but it absolutely reduces the operational capacities of libraries that were benefiting from them, in effect removing a range of books the libraries might otherwise provide.

    SoylentBlake ,

    Which is why their trying to knee-cap the internet.

    Experience guides my way; anything a politician says before or after “think of the children” has nothing to do with actual childrens safety and everything to do with undermining your constitutional rights

    Every single time. Without fail.

    kibiz0r , in Veterans Burn Their Uniforms at Vigil for US Airman Aaron Bushnell

    I’m not sure how to feel about the level of support shown for Bushnell, when previous self-immolators have been thoroughly ignored.

    Part of me is glad that his death is not in vain, and his friends and family can take some solace in that fact.

    But part of me is terrified that 20 more people are going to try similar stunts and achieve… less-than-nothing.

    There are already too many martyrs. We need agitators. You can’t agitate if you’re dead or otherwise removed.

    Please: If you’re considering Aaron Bushnell an inspiration, be inspired by the fact that he did something unusual, not that he did something self-destructive. Go throw some soup on a Van Gogh instead.

    Crikeste ,

    And never stop, even if liberals are denouncing you. Stand up for what you believe. Never capitulate to them. Be strong. America is inherently violent. Maybe it’s time Americans experience the terror they’ve perpetuated overseas.

    AdmiralShat ,

    Ah yes, it’s liberals who are the problem. It’s liberals who want you to bent to authority, for sure. It’s liberals who are supporting the IDF

    Landsharkgun ,

    You’re attempting sarcasm, but it kinda falls flat when the liberals did indeed line up to give more funding to Israel right alongside the conservatives.

    AdmiralShat ,

    Are democrats liberals now? Did I miss something?

    TopRamenBinLaden ,

    In the US, modern liberalism is definitely associated with the Democrats. Whether they are truly liberal or not can be debated, but they are almost always referred to as liberals over here.

    Landsharkgun ,

    Always have been.

    masquenox ,

    Ah yes, it’s liberals who are the problem.

    Lol! Close your mouth… you don’t want all that sarcasm back-blast getting in there.

    800XL ,

    You’re literally calling for domestic terrorism on American soil. You aren’t a victim here, bro. No one is trying to take your tendies. Go outside, touch some grass, have a drink, and get yourself a hooker. Some post-nut clarity will do you good.

    Landsharkgun ,

    He’s calling for direct action against American imperialism. If that scares you, I suggest taking a good hard look at the world and what America has done to it. Believe me, nothing that could happen to America would be worse than it’s done to others.

    masquenox ,

    You’re literally calling for domestic terrorism on American soil.

    And that’s a bad thing because…?

    winkerjadams ,

    Do you know what the definition of terrorism is?

    masquenox ,

    You require a “definition” to know what terrorism looks like?

    winkerjadams ,

    No but apparently you do to know that terrorism is a bad thing

    masquenox ,

    terrorism is a bad thing

    Oh it is, is it? Seems to me that these days the term “terrorism” is only applied to the actions of people who doesn’t act in lock-step with white supremacists and their liberal protectors… pretty soon, the term “terrorist” might be a badge of honor for everybody that doesn’t have a swastika tattoo hidden underneath their shirt.

    So go ahead… tell me all about “terrorism.”

    madeinthebackseat ,

    Liberals, huh?

    What political affiliation is Netanyahu?

    Nudding ,

    And what affiliation is his bestie, Biden?

    TheBat ,
    @TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

    Just how many times you were dropped on your head?

    Zipitydew ,

    All of the stairs

    stringere ,

    Lemon

    Landsharkgun ,

    No war but class war.

    glockenspiel ,

    This is why they refer to the cohort as “blue MAGA.”

    And they rightly do so.

    thecrotch ,

    previous self-immolators have been thoroughly ignored

    Arguably a self imolator ended the war in Vietnam. He absolutely got the ball rolling.

    Zipitydew ,

    That happened in 1963. The war only got worse and went on 10 more years.

    Anti_Iridium ,

    Yep. It took quite a few for the reality of the war to kick in for most people.

    masquenox ,

    Arguably a self imolator ended the war in Vietnam.

    No, he fucking didn’t. The Vietnamese breaking the US military through the use of force ended the war in Vietnam.

    Anti_Iridium ,

    No. The Vietnamese did not “break” the US military. We got tired of being there, though.

    masquenox ,

    I hate to be the one to break it to you… but the Vietnamese broke the US military. Swallow all the cope the propagandists have been spoon-feeding you about this since the 70s - it doesn’t change anything.

    Anti_Iridium ,

    What do you mean by “broke”? I’m quite literally in a class on the Vietnam War this semester, writing a paper about how ineffective our policy of bombing an agrarian society that only needed to supply its forces 50 tons of supplies a day.

    Please, elaborate.

    masquenox ,

    ineffective our policy of bombing an agrarian society

    “Ineffective” at what? The indiscriminate carnage that the US visited on SE Asia from the air was possibly the most effective mass-slaughter campaign ever perpetrated by a colonialist power - it was even more effective than the colonialist slaughter Germany visited on eastern Europe and the Soviet Union during WW2.

    So no… as far as the tenets of colonialist warfare is concerned, it was perfectly effective.

    Anti_Iridium ,

    At stopping supplies and people from moving south?

    So, our goal was genocide? I’m not saying we were the good guys, but clearly we weren’t comparable to the fucking Nazis eastern campaign.

    You still didn’t answer what it meant to break the US military.

    masquenox ,

    but clearly we weren’t comparable to the fucking Nazis

    Actually, the US actions in SE Asia is very comparable to what Germany and it’s allies did in eastern Europe and Russia… not even the Nazis attempted to use chemical warfare to starve their victim population into submission - the US did.

    What the Nazis did was nothing unique - it has been standard fare for colonialist powers long before WW2 happened, and it was stadard fare for the US both before and during the (so-called) “Cold War.” The only reason the Nazis became infamous for it was because they literally perpetrated it on the (so-called) “civilized” world’s doorstep on people that looked “white.”

    You still didn’t answer what it meant to break the US military.

    That’s because I won’t - there is no need. Col. Robert D. Heinl answered this all the way back in 1971.

    TLDR - “Our Army that now remains in Vietnam is in a state approaching collapse, with individual units avoiding or having refused combat, murdering their officers, drug-ridden, and dispirited where not near-mutinous.”

    Anti_Iridium , (edited )

    What the Nazis did was nothing unique - it has been standard fare for colonialist powers long before WW2 happened, and it was stadard fare for the US both before and during the (so-called) “Cold War.”

    Homie, I think you should learn some more about the eastern front. The United States wasn’t on an ethnic cleansing campaign in Indochina. The Nazi’s were on an ethnic cleansing campaign.

    TLDR - “Our Army that now remains in Vietnam is in a state approaching collapse, with individual units avoiding or having refused combat, murdering their officers, drug-ridden, and dispirited where not near-mutinous.”

    Which had had which major defeats associated with it?

    masquenox ,

    Homie,

    We are not friends.

    You mean like this? Oops, sorry… wrong war. It’s not my fault - when you get into the grisly details they all start looking the same.

    The United States wasn’t on an ethnic cleansing campaign

    Ooooh… you completely got me there. The millions dead in the Congo thanks to Belgium exploitation? Perfectly okay because it wasn’t a clear-cut case of “ethnic cleansing.” The millions starved to death in Bengal due to British colonialist policies during WW2? Perfectly fine because it wasn’t a clear-cut case of “ethnic cleansing.”

    If only Hitler had you around to handle his PR for him, eh?

    Which had had which major defeats associated with it?

    I’m just going to go ahead and assume it’s also a complete mystery to you why the vaunted US military failed so abysmally in Afghanistan, eh?

    It’s only a mystery to you and your ilk - why do you think that is?

    Anti_Iridium , (edited )

    My Lai was not an ethnic cleansing campaign. It was not directed by the White House or the Pentagon. It was a massacre that had an attempted cover up.

    Is it really that hard to understand that something can be illegal, unethical, and immoral, and not be ethnic cleansing?

    British colonialist policies during WW2

    ’m just going to go ahead and assume it’s also a complete mystery to you why the vaunted US military failed so abysmally in Afghanistan, eh?

    This discussion is on vietnam, but cool.

    masquenox ,

    My Lai was not an ethnic cleansing

    Oh… you didn’t get this the first time around. Here… let me help you along and repost it for you because you sure look like this is going to take you a lot of effort to get.

    Ooooh… you completely got me there. The millions dead in the Congo thanks to Belgium exploitation? Perfectly okay because it wasn’t a clear-cut case of “ethnic cleansing.” The millions starved to death in Bengal due to British colonialist policies during WW2? Perfectly fine because it wasn’t a clear-cut case of “ethnic cleansing.”

    Also, why bring up My Lai? There was nothing unique about My Lai - except for the fact that it ended up being reported in the US media because one chopper crew decided to grow a backbone and put a stop to it (for once). For the US military in Vietnam, My Lai was Tuesday.

    This discussion is on vietnam

    So do tell… how does a military end up being completely broken by a (supposedly) “inferior” enemy without actually having lost any decisive battles?

    I’d hate to think what would have actually happened if the US had lost a clear-cut battle in Vietnam - the entire US may just have imploded in on itself due to shock.

    Anti_Iridium ,

    I could have worded that better, my apologies there. The fact that someone stopped it, I think really is a difference.

    I never once said anything about the Vietcong being inferior.

    I’m done here, but I do suggest you go and do some more reading. Maybe watch Ken Burns Vietnam documentary to get started with.

    masquenox ,

    I never once said anything about the Vietcong being inferior.

    This is not about what you said or didn’t say. The US empire is a fundamentally white supremacist empire - no different than the fundamentally white supremacist empires that gave birth to it - and therefore views anyone it wishes to subjugate, exploit and/or exterminate as “inferior.”

    but I do suggest you go and do some more reading.

    You first.

    assassin_aragorn ,

    I worry about this too. I don’t like self immolation as a form of protest. Normally I’d say it accomplishes nothing, but in this case it did draw a lot of attention – that by no means though should be an endorsement for others to do this. We can find better, equally effective ways to organize. There’s already enough senseless death going on.

    I appreciate his gesture, but I wish he hadn’t done it. I wish he was alive.

    nyctre ,

    Except for that last part. Don’t waste food. And don’t destroy unique stuff.(Yes, the van Gogh was protected by glass iirc, but most other paintings aren’t) Plenty of ways to get attention without doing irreversible damage to art.

    Trebach ,

    (Yes, the van Gogh was protected by glass iirc, but most other paintings aren’t)

    The van Gogh was chosen specifically because it was protected by glass.

    Empricorn ,

    You apparently have way too much faith in copycats and people without critical-thinking skills…

    masquenox ,

    You are correct… Bushnell isn’t even the first USian to self-immolate as a form of protest this decade - the others barely made the news.

    While I can’t bring myself to criticise people like Bushnell (for obvious reasons), I also cannot endorse it. I don’t want to die for a cause - I want to make the fascists die for theirs.

    veniasilente ,
    @veniasilente@lemm.ee avatar

    I don’t want to die for a cause - I want to make the fascists die for theirs.

    Honestly this is one of the best quotables I’ve found on the internet this year. Permission to steal?

    ClanOfTheOcho ,

    It’s a paraphrase from a Patton quote. I don’t have the exact quote readily available, but the gist is, “The objective of war isn’t to die for one’s country, but to make some other poor bastard die for his.”

    heatofignition ,

    Always love to see Beau’s content linked in the wild. Good stuff.

    FlyingSquid , in Federal court rules Indiana ban on gender-affirming care for minors can take effect
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m in Indiana. One of my daughter’s closest friends is a 13-year-old boy who is trans. His parents support him, let him wear chest binders, but I don’t think he’s taking hormones and now it sounds like he won’t be able to.

    So thanks, 7th Circuit and fuck you.

    LufyCZ ,

    Thank the lawmakers, the court probably didn’t have a choice

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Why wouldn’t they have a choice?

    LufyCZ ,

    Because laws tell them what to decide. The courts are there to make sure the laws don’t infringe on constitutional rights, on federal laws etc., but they don’t create rules.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    but they don’t create rules.

    I see you’re unfamiliar with our court system and only know the idealized version.

    LufyCZ ,

    If a court decides to interpret a law some way or another, it’s because the law’s wording allowed for some leeway.

    That’s on the lawmakers.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Got it. Judicial decisions are always correct.

    jeffw ,
    @jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s an odd take. Courts interpret laws. What law or constitutional measures forces them to ban healthcare?

    LufyCZ ,

    Yes, they interpret what the lawmakers have written. If lawmakers made a law saying minors shouldn’t receive healthcare, that’s what the court should say.

    Not taking sides btw, if I was I’d just get mad at the state of US politics

    jeffw ,
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    They can say “it’s not constitutional to ban healthcare.” They aren’t bound only by the text of the law.

    LufyCZ ,

    Does the constitution say that though?

    jeffw ,
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    I’m quite sure a constitutional scholar could come up with a well worded reply to make that argument in detail. I’ll just say that I think part of individual liberty is accessing healthcare.

    LufyCZ ,

    You’re making massive leaps

    idiomaddict ,

    Where?

    LufyCZ ,

    Where they constructed a right for healthcare out of the word liberty.

    idiomaddict ,

    Right, I’m asking how that doesn’t follow. You don’t have a right to force doctors to specialize in something you want them to, but being restricted by your government from accessing modern healthcare endorsed by the AMA and APA doesn’t seem like liberty to me.

    LufyCZ ,

    Let’s take it from the other side.

    Should I have the liberty to not pay taxes? The liberty to dump my garbage into a lake? The liberty to burn a forest down?

    You’re flexing words into meanings that suit you, but if they actually were possible to be interpreted this widely, it’d be chaos.

    idiomaddict ,

    Those each hurt third parties, which is a very good reason to restrict a liberty. This one doesn’t, so I don’t really see how it fits with the others.

    LufyCZ ,

    But that’s an opinion, isn’t it? We all don’t have the same opinions, that’s why politics is a thing?

    Maybe transcare hurts someone’s feelings, you might not agree with that, but we live in a world where their opinion matters, too, for better (or in this case) for worse.

    idiomaddict ,

    Feelings being hurt does not meet the standard of restriction outside of abuse or harassment, which this is not. That’s not a political opinion, and anyone telling you it is is trying to distort your view of reality. Being trans, gay, or having any immutable characteristic cannot possibly have the same effect on people as targeted abuse or harassment.

    LufyCZ ,

    “cannot possibly” is your opinion, it’s just not a fact. Look at how hard they’re trying to ban it, it clearly matters a lot to some ppl for some reason

    idiomaddict , (edited )

    No you’re right, I’m actually incredibly affected by people having the immutable characteristic of… what’s your eye color again? Is it simply politics to decide that you don’t get health care because your eyes are creepy and I don’t want them around my kid?

    Trans people are strongly negatively affected by not being able to transition, more so than the people against trans rights are by them transition. This is very easily determined by looking at suicide rates pre and post transition for the trans and terrified of trans groups.

    It’s not politics to try and get rid of a group of people for being something they didn’t choose to be.

    jeffw ,
    @jeffw@lemmy.world avatar

    The constitution doesn’t say we have a right to lay bricks so we should ban construction, right? Reading into the constitution and assuming they understood modern brick making would be a massive leap.

    Or something like that? I don’t really get what you’re saying.

    LufyCZ ,

    The law on the ban for youth care was challenged in court, the courts decided the law is not against the constitution, and so it can take effect.

    aniki ,

    Laws aren’t real

    jeffw ,
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    A court made that decision.

    LufyCZ ,

    Not sure how that’s a gotcha, sure, a court, has the same weight either way

    jeffw ,
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    And another court could overturn it. Because courts aren’t bound by the text of the laws.

    catloaf ,

    SCOTUS said it did in Roe v. Wade.

    LufyCZ ,

    Right to healthcare or the right of privacy in healthcare?

    Zombiepirate ,
    @Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

    Go on and elaborate on what you think the right to privacy means in the US.

    The Supreme Court, however, beginning as early as 1923 and continuing through its recent decisions, has broadly read the “liberty” guarantee of the Fourteenth Amendment to guarantee a fairly broad right of privacy that has come to encompass decisions about child rearing, procreation, marriage, and termination of medical treatment.

    AngryCommieKender ,

    They’re probably referring to HIIPA

    catloaf ,

    The right for the people to determine what healthcare means for their individual selves.

    gedaliyah ,
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    The lawsuit, first filed in U.S. District Court in the Southern District of Indiana, alleges that Senate Bill 480 violates the U.S. Constitution on multiple fronts, including the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. In addition, the lawsuit claims that the law violates the federal requirements of the Medicaid Act and the Affordable Care Act, because it prohibits essential medical services that would otherwise be authorized and reimbursed by Medicaid

    Via ACLU

    FlyingSquid , in Appellate judge refuses to halt Trump's $454 million fraud penalty while he appeals
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar
    Yawweee877h444 ,

    Sour note?

    I want happy noises cause this is great news and also hilarious.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Riker is expressing his pity for the poor little baby.

    JeeBaiChow ,

    Wut? Nobody pities that little baby. But at least now we know he’s poor.

    negativenull ,
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    ZoopZeZoop ,

    Aye, Commander Quacker!

    mr_robot2938 ,

    I really hope this image isn’t ai. I want someone to have taken the time to carefully decorate a duck and build a miniature Enterprise-D bridge for the sake of riffing off a meme. I’d buy that person a drink.

    negativenull ,
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    mr_robot2938 ,

    You have made my day.

    Maggoty , in Man in Air Force uniform set himself on fire in front of Israeli embassy

    Poor guy, he should have talked to a veteran first. We’ve been killing ourselves in front of government buildings for years now and nobody pays attention.

    Gazumi , in Letitia James says she's prepared to seize Trump's buildings if he can't pay his $354M civil fraud fine

    Letitia is going to grab him by the pussy!

    VaultBoyNewVegas ,

    Lordy, I hope there are tapes!

    spider ,

    Actually, the Trump Tower is more phallic in appearance.

    First ,

    Grab him by his tower!

    Nurse_Robot , in Murder victim Kelly Wilkinson repeatedly visited police in fear. They said she was ‘cop shopping’

    ACAB

    maness300 ,

    Yes. All cops are bastards, you can’t fight, and you don’t own a gun.

    Who exactly do you expect to protect you in situations like this, then? The fairy-godmother?

    PilferJynx ,

    I would expect police to help, but that didn’t happen, hence ACAB.

    Moggy ,

    You’re just FULL of bad takes. Take the L and get off the internet. Or go watch another video from Andrew Tate that just EXUDES homosexual tension, while claiming to be aggressively hetero. I’m sure you love those.

    Lucidlethargy ,

    Are you saying people who don’t rely on cops don’t own guns? I have news for you… The media is lying to you.

    Potatos_are_not_friends , in Utah official censured for falsely suggesting teenage girl is transgender

    Shitty thing to say but I want her in a lawsuit/jail for harassment.

    This government official used her position to ruin the life of a teenager. Over fucking nothing.

    mack7400 ,

    Yup. “Trans” is the new “witch”.

    yuriy ,

    Oh my god you’re right and I’m disgusted

    scoobford ,

    You’re disgusted by our brave civil servants engaged in their holy duty? That sounds like something a witch would say!

    Potatos_are_not_friends ,

    How do we kill witches now? I saw a documentary on them recently and I think there was like a killing curse but then a boy with a forehead scar deflected it.

    scoobford ,

    I prefer burning. Put your witch on a nice, big bonfire, and if you can hear the demons they’ve enslaved screaming when the fire gets going, then they’re a witch.

    If not, make sure you have enough water to douse the fire before it moves north of their legs.

    swab148 ,
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    I prefer the old “duck on a scale” method.

    spider ,
    Dkarma , in House Republicans impeach Mayorkas by a single vote

    IMPORTANT TO NOTE THEY DID THIS JUST DAYS AFTER THEY SCUTTLED THEIR OWN IMMIGRATION BILL !!!
    🤡🤡🤡🙈🤡🤡🤡

    jballs ,
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    And just as they’re preparing to refuse a vote on funding for Ukraine, all while citing a lack of immigration fixes in the bill. 🤡

    Sterile_Technique , in Black national anthem sends MAGA into meltdown
    @Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world avatar

    Doesn’t take much to rile up the Trumpanzees.

    pearsaltchocolatebar ,

    There are so many snowflakes that you can trigger an avalanche by sneezing.

    EdibleFriend , in Patrick Mahomes rallies the Chiefs to second straight Super Bowl title, 25-22 over 49ers in overtime
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    I’m in Kansas City and don’t really follow football THAT much but had been checking the score occasionally on my second monitor. I knew we were tied in overtime. Then I heard a bunch of gunshots in every direction and thats how I knew the game was over and we had won.

    Murica.

    Mouselemming ,

    I was just thinking, how can we call it American Football if we don’t arm the players? Maybe just in the 2nd half, everyone gets a sidearm. After all, they’re basically a well-regulated militia, right?

    EdibleFriend ,
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    Serinus ,

    basically a well-regulated militia

    A hell of a lot more of one than every single individual, as the courts seems to believe.

    JJROKCZ ,

    Lots of fireworks in my part of STL tonight, I’m sure there were gunshots in other parts as well lol they love shooting the sky here in MO

    Zahille7 ,

    Damn I was in STL yesterday and had NO idea the Superbowl was tonight. I’m back home in SWMO now, and I’ve heard nothing. Weird.

    PsychedSy ,

    Wichita here, glad I was asleep. Not looking forward to work, though. If I pull the “isn’t that hockey?” line today I’ll prolly get stabbed.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    For some real fun, ask them how many points Michael Jordan scored.

    PsychedSy ,

    Shit. I said Michael Jackson.

    Thrillhouse , in Minneapolis mayor calls remote workers ‘losers’ who sit at home with a ‘nasty cat blanket, diddling on their laptop’

    People just don’t want to spend what little time we have on this earth commuting, paying $10 for a shitty Subway sandwich for lunch, and listening to Elderly Manager Brian talk about his glory days to a captive audience.

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