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Smeagol666 ,

Police have the highest rate of domestic abuse as a demographic. Of course they don’t give a shit.

Bluetreefrog ,

To be fair, it sounds like this murder led to a pretty thorough external review and an acknowledgement from the QPS leadership that things had to change.

www.abc.net.au/news/2022-12-01/…/101717306

unreasonabro ,

Yes, cop shopping, i’m in here repeatedly trying to get even one of you to give a shit, and you’ve got a perjorative term just ready to hand for that exact situation.

Policy against giving a shit would go with the territory I suppose, pathological fucking institution.

Jaysyn ,
@Jaysyn@kbin.social avatar

ACAB

Thteven ,
@Thteven@lemmy.world avatar

Fuckin dumbass pigs

spyd3r ,
@spyd3r@sh.itjust.works avatar

When seconds count police are only minutes away not coming to save you.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Buy a gun, learn to shoot. Nobody is coming to save you, take agency for your own safety.

Entropius ,
@Entropius@lemmy.world avatar

Wasn’t she a resident of Australia? They have some pretty strict gun laws, so there’s almost no chance she’d have been able to get one.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_of_Australia

A person must have a firearm licence to possess or use a firearm. Licence holders must demonstrate a “genuine reason” (which does not include self-defence)

(emphasis mine)

Dead_or_Alive ,

She was, it’s a shame she didn’t have access to all the tools she needed to escape that deadly situation. Depending on others is never a good plan.

Tukma ,

Sadly, cases like this happens in all the world. I don’t know if their work tend to desensitize some cops or what, but this is not the first time something like this happen, and certainly will not be the last.

moitoi ,

Cops don’t resolve problems, they are the problem.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

They’re an excuse not to render a service. If you’re in need of protection from a violent neighbor or relative, the police exist as a thing we can say exist to solve the problem without actually solving the problem. If the police don’t respond or treat your case with urgency, we’re allowed to say that the urgency doesn’t exist.

In a similar vein, they exist to exaggerate the threat of certain areas or populations. If you’re constantly putting squad cars and doing arrests and send in SWAT teams through a neighborhood, we can say that the neighborhood must be very dangerous. More and more police activity in an area flag it as “in need of additional policing” because what would the police be doing except restoring law and order to a neighborhood plagued by anarchy?

They are, in effect, a tool of state propaganda. Their physical presence (or absence) signals what is taboo (or tacitly encouraged) by the city/state/national leadership.

Dasus ,

What the fuck is “cop shopping”?

SendMePhotos ,

Shopping for cops

Dasus ,

Well I did kinda guess that much.

What does that actually mean?

Xanthrax ,
@Xanthrax@lemmy.world avatar

They thought she was lying and trying to get a new cop for a different outcome.

TheLowestStone ,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve never heard the term before but, based on context, I’d say it means going to multiple police stations looking for a cop who will do what you want. Similar to the way that an addict might visit multiple doctors seeking drugs.

UnderpantsWeevil ,
@UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

“Please officer, please help me. Please do literally anything consistent with the stated role of your profession!”

“No”

“Ok, I’m going to ask this of a different officer.”

“What do you think this is? A Walmart?!”

nutsack ,

a friend of mine did the same thing before her domestic murder. the police (who are well funded in this town) did not want to take her seriously, and they did nothing. another friend helped her out and was subsequently murdered too.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

Yeah, it can be extremely dangerous to intervene in domestic violence situations. IIRC, something like 50% of domestic violence related murders are actually bystanders who tried to stop the abuse.

nutsack ,

he was right to step in and help. i just wish the cops had done it…

ComradePorkRoll ,

Completely unrelated but I do believe this is my first rimjobsteve moment experienced out in the wild.

EchoCranium ,

Sorry you lost friends that way. Hopefully the asshole that did it never sees the outside of prison ever again.

nutsack ,

it wouldn’t make a difference. He’s not going to kill anyone else

Smoogs ,

It’s disgusting as I had to do something similar in Australia before I could find someone to take my domestic violence case serious. Australia cops are a fucking sham when it comes to domestic violence. “Cop shopping”. I hope they rot for coming up for a shit term they coined for boasting about their incompetence. Fucking losers.

weax ,

A lot of the time the cops are domestic abusers themselves. Have had family stalked and harassed by an AFP cop in the past, and just like you say the cops had no interest whatsoever.

UnfortunateDoorHinge ,

I hope the police and everyone who ignored her pleas are reminded of her death everyday of the week. Name names.

Neon ,

I hope the police and everyone who ignored her pleas are reminded of her death everyday of the week

YES!

Name names

NO!

what a emotional Rollercoaster

Suavevillain ,
@Suavevillain@lemmy.world avatar

“Cop Shopping” is a gross term for them not doing their job. They never prevent or protect anything.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Agreed, support 2A and depend upon yourself.

tiltinyall ,

Something something, hammer and nail

Dead_or_Alive ,

I love the duality of Lemmy users:

“Ohhh nooos we can’t depend upon the police!”

“Ohh nooos how dare someone suggest taking agency for their own safety ! 2A is baddd mmmkay!”

TheMonkeyLord ,
@TheMonkeyLord@sopuli.xyz avatar

I think the overall sentiment is removing violence as an option for everyone, cops, citizens, and criminals alike

Guns as a thing in this world inherently create death and loss as a result of their existence, not in spite of it

Dead_or_Alive ,

It’s a nice sentiment, I too abhor violence. But the world we live in is just not that way. I prefer to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst in people.

tiltinyall ,

Bark on about how your rights are being taken, maybe when you find your oppressor we can throw a gun in the mix and see who comes out victorious. Waah waah, the powers are holding me down. Let’s go get the state to allow more unrestricted access to fire arms, as that’s everyone’s solution to everything.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Im not sure where your rant came from. I’m not trying to throw a revolution. Just trying to protect me and mine.

tiltinyall ,

gunsafety.ny.gov/domestic-violence Go to another thread with this savior attitude.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Are opposing opinions scary to you? Do you need a safe space?

tiltinyall ,

Buddy, you’re the one all about the safe space in your domicile with your guns. TF i care about your trolling, you’re in a thread about domestic abuse, and have no grasp on the statistics I presented to counter your high and mighty opinion.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Lol, dropping a link in a post does not constitute an argument or a counter to my “high and mighty opinion”. That is a citation.

If you can’t form a coherent argument on your own thats fine, but don’t delude yourself into thinking dropping a link is a substitute.

tiltinyall ,

To be honest I’m truly bored with this discussion. The argument you’ve given boils down to meaningless pedantry that critiiques ones’ presentation over facts, contained in the link I found quickly, with which to dispel the illiterate.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Are you still making a big deal of the link you posted?

tiltinyall ,

Not one bit. This isn’t rocket science, you wanna know something look it up son. Or else I’ll school ya. Tootles

Dead_or_Alive ,

Before you go, I do want to apologize. I re-read your post and realized I did miss a good point you made. For that I am sorry.

“Buddy, you’re the one all about the safe space in your domicile with your guns. “

I’m glad that you recognize on some level that firearms empower individuals to take agency for their own safety and protection. I realize this thought is but a small seed but hopefully it will grow in time.

tiltinyall ,

But once again, you pour over my words with such vigor. Cry into your secure little end of the void.

Dead_or_Alive ,

No I’m just happy to see the seed is planted. I’ve done my part for 2A today.

frostysauce ,

The article is about things that happened in Australia 🙄

GhostedIC ,

And Australians have had massive incursions on their gun rights since 2020.

Ross_audio ,

And as a result the number of school shootings is much, much lower than in the US.

PeterLG ,
@PeterLG@theblower.au avatar

@GhostedIC

That's because we don't see using a gun as a right, just like we don’t see driving a car as a right. They're both activities that are priviledges earned through training and licensing.

@frostysauce

Dead_or_Alive ,

Exactly, I bet her loved ones wished she had the right tools to defend herself. Lord knows the police won’t.

threeduck ,

Eew keep your gross American opinions to yourself.

Dead_or_Alive ,

No, the 1A means I can share it as much as I want. Freedom of Speech is awesome!

muddybulldog ,

The irony of you tooting about 1A, celebrating your “right” to free speech, based on your ability to post something in a forum where 1A doesn’t apply.

It’s delicious.

rottingleaf ,

celebrating your “right” to free speech

Offtopic: so these quotes mean you doubt that it is a right too?

1A doesn’t apply for what mods do, but it seems mods agree that his opinion belongs here.

1A does apply for him not being prosecuted for saying it anywhere. BTW, things like swatting gun rights’ supporters’ homes do in effect break 1A.

So there’s a valid combination where there’s nothing “delicious” in your meaning in his comment - that’s if he meant that people in some other countries are more reserved with their opinions online because of fear of being flagged by police. I’d say it has some merit - slippery slopes work in reality.

Also I think I’ve read something about Australia, refugees, detention and human rights activism of the level a bit more sinister than in US.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Well if you want seconds, I’m still posting.

Sacha ,

You make it sound like thats unique to the US and a foreign concept to the rest of the world.

Freedom of speech doesn’t mean you won’t face consequences of what you say.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Not saying it is unique, just stating my 1A rights mean I have the freedom to do so.

Honytawk ,

Only in the US, the least developed nation of the rich world.

Dead_or_Alive ,

So free speech that is constitutionally protected is a sign of an underdeveloped nation? Weird viewpoint but ok you do you.

The US is the only country with a flag on the moon, from where I live I can watch weekly launches into space. Europe depends upon us for manned launches. Our military is also more advanced than any other nation and is globally dominant which reinforces our hegemony.

We are one of the largest energy exporters (which hopefully Biden will curb, I don’t want the US exporting so much Natural Gas and oil that it drives up our ultra low domestic prices and exposes us to higher over seas rates. Preventing further global warming is a good bonus).

Did I mention that our economy is larger and is growing faster than the EU? Nearly forgot that one… statisticstimes.com/…/united-states-vs-eu-economy…

Seems like we have a few things going for us.

frostysauce ,

As an American no one cares, you’re a fucking idiot, and just shut the fuck up already.

Dead_or_Alive ,

No, I prefer to keep posting.

Honytawk ,

And we have the freedom to call you out on your American bullshit (that doesn’t even work in the US).

Dead_or_Alive ,

Ok, I appreciate the update. I don’t really take the opinions of foreigners seriously so it’s good to know where you stand.

threeduck ,

…if you don’t “take the opinions of foreigners seriously”, then why would you - a foreigner - share your opinion?

Grab both of your brain cells, and use em to find someone more on your level, okay? And trust me, “more on” is wording I’m sure you’re familiar with.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Why would you continue to talk to someone who doesn’t take you seriously?

threeduck ,

I’m sorry, my “more on” quip was just… Too good.

There’s no way you or I can top it. Good day.

Dead_or_Alive ,

If you are amused by that “quip” then you should try sensory deprivation, you’d be rolling on the floor in no time.

hark ,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

The first amendment applies only to government action on your speech. It has nothing to do with your speech on a private website and it doesn’t apply outside of the US (even if you’d like to think the US owns the world).

Dead_or_Alive ,

Yeah buddy I’m still posting. Stifling free speech is never a good solution. Maybe you are intimidated by opposing opinions and need some kind of safe space.

I do not.

hark ,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

wow ur so brave 😍

Shenanigore ,

Oh look, an Australian denying reality in favor of ideology. Shocking.

Sacha ,

US has the highest domestic violence / death by gun rates in the entire world.

There is no such thing as good guy with a gun. Look at the victory parade just last week. People with guns everywhere just ran away for their lives instead of shooting the bad guy with the gun they love boasting about.

The worst mass shooting in Canada in history was 12 dead. What’s the worst death toll in the US?

The last school shooting in Canada was about 20 years ago, when was the last one in the US?

If this Australian couple had guns, 90% chance she would have been shot and killed by beer husband instead of whatever means he used. The police should have done their jobs.

That is the reality.

Draedron ,

Yeah! Because domestic abuse is totally not a thing in america. Oh wait.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Domestic abuse is a problem in the US. I believe in empowering victims to have every resource available to escape and defend themselves from abusers.

tiltinyall ,

gunsafety.ny.gov/domestic-violence

Honytawk ,

The supposed tool to defend herself with would have been used to kill her even sooner.

If you need a gun in order to feel safe in your country, you live in a shithole.

Bakkoda ,

If only you supported education, more specifically geography, as much as you pretend to support the Constitution.

Dead_or_Alive ,

No I fully support the constitution and wish the amendments were universal human rights, not just American rights.

WaxedWookie ,

A populace with the ability to kill anyone with the press of a button isn’t free or safe - it’s fearful, which is a dangerous thing to be when you have a gun.

Gestures lazily at gun deaths per capita compared to the rest of the developed world.

There’s also the 13th - Slavery is fine so long as we criminalise you. Why the fuck would you want this, exactly?

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

The deification of the founding fathers - a bunch of slave owners and the like is deeply weird. They had some good ideas… and some atrocious ones.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Odd I have your username labeled as “Gone full ******!” Check your comment history we’ve done this dance before.

WaxedWookie ,

Defending slavery isn’t getting any less monstrous or dumb.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Lol, you never change WaxedWookie, full ****** is your thing.

WaxedWookie ,

I wouldn’t be so quick to dish out judgment if my thing were slavery and slurs, but I’m not an obvious piece of shit, so you do you, I guess.

Honytawk ,

So you want more deaths in the world?

Well I don’t.

Any country where you need a gun in order to feel safe is a shithole.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Weird flex but ok. I suppose if you are privileged enough to stay in a country with no violence you should probably stay there.

For everyone else, we like our rights to self defense.

Bluetreefrog ,

wish the amendments were universal human rights, not just American rights.

No thanks. You can keep your constitution. Ours isn’t perfect either, but I prefer it to yours.

Draedron ,

So he could have shot her?

tiltinyall ,

Let’s just set up a standoff where the husband, wife and one police officer all hold guns to each other. It’ll all sort itself out when the dust settles like the wild west. See I can come up with stupid politically motivated solutions too. Stupid, to say a gun will “fix” a situation involving domestic abuse. You hear that 2A’ers, THAT’S STUPID!

Dead_or_Alive ,

You did the ol’Reddit switcharoo. I gotta say it takes a special kind of animal to do that on a thread dealing with a domestic abuse victim.

Ixoid ,
@Ixoid@lemmy.world avatar

Fuck off. Australia doesn’t want or need your freedum bullshit.

TengoDosVacas ,

Those of you who automatically dismiss self-defense out of hand: what is your method of self-defense, and why wasn’t it used in 1930s Germany?

Bgugi ,

She did.

tiltinyall ,

Where the bald eagle swoops in and drops a loaded gun into her hands, yah.

wabafee ,
@wabafee@lemmy.world avatar

Just here to keep the -69.

Dead_or_Alive ,

I’ve seen what Lemmy upvotes, I prefer your downvotes.

WaxedWookie ,

We’ll throw complaining about the calibre of people in the spaces you decide to frequent voluntarily on the pile with the rest of your dumb bullshit.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Are you stalking me Waxed Wookiee? Just an FYI, I don’t plan on paying rent for that tiny headspace of yours.

WaxedWookie ,

It’s all about you, isn’t it? Not as though I’ve been a presence in this thread or anything.

Best way to avoid me would be to stop posting such aggressively stupid bullshit.

Dead_or_Alive ,

Perhaps you may need your own safe space. But be assured you will find me where a Pro 2A view is needed.

WaxedWookie ,

People should indeed be safe from slavery - lead paint too. Shame it seems it’s a little late for you on that front.

Dead_or_Alive ,

People should be safe from slavery. Convicted murderers, pedophiles, rapists and criminals who are serving a prison sentence should not.

Are you pro rapist and pediphile?

WaxedWookie ,

Desperate attempts at Paedo-jacketing now too? How embarrassing for you.

I’m not the one advocating for the ability to kill anyone with the press of a button, or for an 800% increase in homicides (AU vs US). While we’re at it, you definitely oppose the state murdering people with the death sentence, right?

All I can say about the paedophile piece is that there’s a pretty strong overlap between people pushing your positions in the way you are, and wanting to fetishise youth and return to tradition with relation to things like taking a 12 year old tradwife/slave - but that’s not you, is it?

Go ahead and join the dots between being anti-slavery and being pro-paedophile and pro-murderer… You understand that you’re accusing the majority of the species of these tendencies, right? That society would collapse if this were true?

Between your violent tendencies, hilariously deficient logic, and your repeated failures to spell “paedophilie”, you’re not exactly crushing those lead paint allegations. Never change, LOLcow - not that you seem capable of it.

Dead_or_Alive ,

That is very rich coming from the guy who has stalked me in three separate threads that were solely about 2A rights, yet constantly tries (and fails) to imply I support slavery because I support the Constitution. You must vomit soo much verbal diarrhea every day that you can’t see straight.

Now that I’ve pointed out that being anti 13A gives comfort to criminals and pedos you want to suddenly change tact and talk about guns.

Your points are worthless because you have no standards. You change your narrative and throw insults around to suite whatever bullshit story you want to tell. You are the liberal equivalent of any MAGA hack. You are cut from the opposite side of the same cloth as Jim Jordan, Marjorie Tyler Green or Lauren Boebert. The difference is Boebert is at least a useful meatsack because you can get a handy out of her.

WaxedWookie ,

Your over-inflated ego being so mismatched with your general deficiency is part of your dopey charm. I’m just responding to your moronic posts when I come across them - you’re the one keeping notes on me, what I’m talking about, and how often. Should I be flattered? Either way, I’m not interested - I’m spoken for, you don’t seem like my type, and your mental capacity leaves concerns about consent.

You support enslaving criminals - you’re pro-slavery. You support policies contributing to an 800% difference in the homicide rate - you’re pro-murder too. Even you should be capable of comprehending that - instead, you tie yourself in bizarre knots to paedo jacket me (but still struggle with spelling the word - keep at it, champ!). Australia is a comparatively civilised country that wants none of your barbaric slave bullshit.

Tell me more about your consistent standards when you support slavery, but insist you oppose it - really keep that stupidity flowing - you’re on a roll!

cultsuperstar ,

Wasn’t there some sort of ruling a while back that said the police are under no obligation to serve and protect, which is why that’s no longer on their cars and stuff?

Edit: Found it.

nytimes.com/…/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-…

Edit 2: My bad, the article is for Australia so this doesn’t apply. I’m so used to seeing this sort of thing is the US news.

joel_feila ,
@joel_feila@lemmy.world avatar

The usa there have bern many rurlings stating it is legal for cops to do nothing.

Uvalde school shooting is one example.

maness300 ,

The cops don’t exist to protect people.

They exist to protect businesses.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

This is such a daft statement.

Yes the police in question failed to protect this woman, it’s a complete failure, officers and management in question need to be investigated.

That said, police assist people with DV issues every day of the week. I’m sure the police station in question resolves 1000s of domestic callouts a year.

AnalogyAddict ,

Thank you for this. If it wasn’t for one of the cops who responded to my 911 call, I’d still not realize I was being abused.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

I’m getting real weary of Lemmy real quick. There doesn’t seem to be much actual thinking going on, just children trotting out the same tired thoughts in every thread.

Even an idiot can understand that yes, police do protect businesses, but they do also protect people. Yes, there are a lot of cops who DGAF, but there are also those who genuinely became police to help people. Yes, the US is a place that exists, but there are also many other countries who don’t have the same issues - for example in Australia I’ve found police to be more or less good, helpful people.

AnalogyAddict , (edited )

Eh, a lot of people get butthurt and downvote when reality doesn’t match their armchair ideals. It’s more of a comment on them and their ability to learn than on the comments they downvoted.

Honytawk ,

This is in Australia, not the US.

uis ,

US with kangaroos

ThePowerOfGeek ,
@ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world avatar

A court has previously heard that Johnston tied Wilkinson to a clothesline and set her on fire on 20 April 2021.

Holy shit, I assumed it was an impulsive murder (not that that is good). But doing that to her? What a total piece of shit.

maness300 ,

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    plant ,

    Are you okay? Where’s your carer?

    maness300 ,

    I’m fine. What’s your point?

    JustARaccoon ,

    This is a weird place to show incel behaviour my dude, this isn’t about you.

    maness300 ,

    What are you talking about?

    BigMacHole ,

    A woman was murdered and your first reaction was to spill one out for the lonely guys!

    Glytch ,

    You’re blaming her for being murdered by saying she should have married a “good man”.

    That’s pure unadulterated incel shit.

    Blame the killer, and the police who enabled him, not the victim.

    captainlezbian ,

    Good men like you who make domestic abuse ending in murder into a pity party about your loneliness?

    Phegan , (edited )

    Edit: I made a snarky comment, but I think you would be better served looking up why abusive relationships are so complicated. It’s more than women picking shitty guys, there are layers of manipulative behavior and the creation of a constant state of dependence and fear. Oftentimes, you don’t realize how shitty someone is until you are deep into the relationship, sometimes you don’t realize it all.

    This is not simple women picking shitty men, there is so much more going on here and you shouldn’t distill it down to something so simple

    AnalogyAddict ,

    It’s the men who complain about women picking bad guys who are the guys who mask their controlling behavior in “niceness.”

    That’s what got me. I thought he was a good guy, but he was just an MRA idiot.

    Mastengwe ,

    This sounds straight out of a soon to be posted manifesto.

    tocopherol ,
    @tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    It could be viewed more accurately as ‘never underestimate the power that emotional abuse and manipulation can have on a vulnerable person’. You’re not wrong exactly but I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. To me it makes it sound like you’re saying she should have known better than to let herself get murdered.

    Why9 ,

    Holy. Shit.

    I’ve no words!

    Moggy ,

    Wow. Way to victim blame the woman for marrying someone she assumed wouldn’t kill her. Like WTF is this incel logic? You’re not a good man killing yourself out of loneliness. You’re a douche bag who doesn’t see WHY they’re alone.

    ErrorF002 ,

    If she wasn’t attractive, he wouldn’t have even bothered responding.

    stopthatgirl7 OP ,
    @stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

    I’m truly disturbed by this having as many likes as it does.

    All y’all lil incels need to go to therapy.

    nomous ,

    Seriously, that shit helps a lot. Just having a knowledgeable party that’s kind of able to help calibrate and understand your own responses is very cathartic.

    ccdfa ,

    The comment has been removed now. What did it say?

    stopthatgirl7 OP , (edited )
    @stopthatgirl7@kbin.social avatar

    It was incel nonsense blaming the murdered woman for not picking a nice guy and complaining about nice guys being lonely. You missed nothing by not being able to read it.

    ccdfa ,

    Thanks

    Draedron ,

    -144?

    Knoxvomica ,

    Hey look kids, it’s a fucking moron.

    frostysauce ,

    I’ll take “Things only pathetic, misogynistic incels would think” for $600.

    Draedron ,

    Fuck off incel

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