Drugmakers have argued that seizing the patent for a medication makes that treatment vulnerable to competition, which can reduce a company’s revenue and limit how much it can reinvest into drug development.
Or yknow, maybe spend a few billion less on marketing and TV commercials?
There would be a good governmental oversight: drug companies may no longer advertise their products to the public. I don’t think anyone has ever seen a drug commercial in a positive light; if the drug was effective and worked well you wouldn’t need to advertise it.
Moved from US to Canada and its honestly so nice not seeing or hearing ads for zoflam or whatever CONSTANTLY. You don’t realize how much it’s shoved in your face until it isn’t anymore
The commercials should be illegal to begin with. My partner is from the EU and when we were back in the US she was horrified by the amount of pharma marketing everywhere.
It’s legitimately insane, every other commercial is for Pharma and every other next to that is for accident attorneys or a politician or like trumpy bear lmao
Drugmakers have argued that seizing the patent for a medication makes that treatment vulnerable to competition, which can reduce a company’s revenue and limit how much it can reinvest into drug development.
I like how that’s supposed to be a compelling argument against it, “But if we open it up to competition someone else will do it cheaper and better than us and we’ll go out of business.” Good! Fuck your company lol.
Also the taxpayers are funding the development, which is why the government can do this. If the public pays for it, they should be able to access it as far as I’m concerned.
That would all be fine if they alone bore the cost for all that R&D. Clearly, thats not the case and they want to socialize the development and privatize the fruits of that development, in which case they are consequently invited to non-negotiably+kindly pound salt and go fuck themselves.
Um, not to mention this is specifically regarding TAXPAYER FUNDED drugs. We paid for them and they’re price gouging and preventing people from getting access to them. It’s so incredibly wrong.
Does anyone really see those ads then go to a DOCTOR and ask about it? Maybe I’m in the extreme minority here but I don’t have money burning a hole in my pocket to go to a doctor and if I do I want to spend the absolute least as possible
Yes they do, but also the doctors get advertised at too and pick medications for you that the marketers have recommended, regardless of whether it’s the best treatment
BlackRock was founded by Robert S Kapito and Larry Fink. Betsy DeVos’s brother Erik Prince founded Blackwater, the private military contractor.
Betsy DeVos is terrible, but was NOT colluding with BlackTock to dismantle American education. She was dismantling public education because she had her hands in the pockets of the charter schools
Nope. The media will continue to bring crime forward as a story and the perception of people will stay constant. If I had to guess, people will continue to say that crime is getting worse, or it’s the worst it has ever been.
Crime statistics are literally just made up. Your local PD decided whats a crime and whats not, it could be the same exact thing but a crime one day and an incident the next. Fight at private high school? Not a crime. Fight at the low income area public high school? Crime.
Yeah. We aren’t reporting any crime. Like when the cops are told to round up the homeless because it’s cutting into the city’s corrupt recycling program, so they arrest them for nothing just to get them off the street.
We are talking murders. People don’t not report them. And if someone goes missing, we don’t typically just let it go either.
Theft and assault? Those are going to be all over the map. But murders tend to be really accurate and sort of impervious to the “dark figure of crime.”
The missing part…yes they do. They absolutely do. There are a fuck ton of missing people who are most likely dead. The solve rate on missing persons is pretty damn low.
According to the NamUs database, there are 600,000 people declared missing every year. Alongside that statistic, there are 4,400 unidentified bodies discovered every year.
Stats show that the US has about a 6% murder rate per 100k. That’s about 250k murders per year, give or take.
And you’re talking about 4K bodies or 6k unsolved murders? Bro.
Over 95% of murders are reported to the police in the USA. So yeah, not sure what you’re trying to show with those numbers, but like I said originally, murders in 1st world nations aren’t prone to even near the same level misinterpretation as say theft or even sexual assault (as most go unreported).
Not even sure what compelled you to argue this.
PS: just from a logical argument point of view, what good is a numerator without a denominator?
You literally said if someone goes missing that people don’t let it go…when in fact they absolutely do. And it’s at an alarming rate…I don’t know why you’re annoyed at me with the numbers I have presented. Be pissed at the police.
Yes. Vaccinated peoples don't tend to need ventilators. As much.
But that's not why numbers stopped being collected. They stopped being collected because of political consequences for reelection for the lack of action elected officials took. So their response was to do less.
I am 2 jabs in and zero covid infections in. Because I'm not a petulant 5 year old, I still wear a mask, and I still social distance.
Can't wait for an incubator to infect me and put me on a ventilator.
The infection rates of COVID are still variable and it hasn’t really gone away. The dangers still exist, for the most part. However, I personally think it is going the way of the flu and its almost there.
The biggest danger of COVID was that it was new, there were no vaccines and nobody had an immunity to it. It was a quick killer and nobody knew why, yet
TBH, it’s good practice to keep wearing a mask if you want to limit yourself from getting sick. However, I do believe that the risk of death or needing a ventilator has gone down significantly. Post-infection treatments exist and the virus isn’t much of a mystery anymore.
I have always tried to socially distance even before it was a thing. (Malls were always an unpleasant experience for me. I can’t stand smelling other people as they walk past me…)
My point, is that the risk of being put on a ventilator is much lower even without masks or social distancing. You do you, by all means! It just seems that being as fearful of it is not necessary any more. (It’s still a nasty little virus, don’t get me wrong.)
They stopped collecting because it is too expensive. Some cities are monitoring virus titer through waste water. Hospitals, etc are not regularly testing or reporting. Source - know the state deputy directory for infectious disease prevention and control. Their department doubled during the pandemic and has now been cut in half. Epidemiologists are expensive, as are national guard personnel used for contact tracing.
Model (USA) Rule of Evidence 407: Subsequent remedial measures are not admissible as evidence to prove negligence, culpable conduct, a defect in a product or its design, or a need for a warning or instruction.
But the court may admit this evidence for another purpose, such as impeachment or — if disputed — proving ownership, control, or the feasibility of precautionary measures
EDIT: I’m not looking up the contextualing comments that accompany the rule, but I will share what I remember from law school many years ago: this rule exists for public safety. You don’t want to penalize fixing a dangerous situation, regardless of the facts of any specific case.
Maybe they’d like for people to not be harmed by their lemonade for the sake of not hurting people, more than money. That’s a lot to believe about a corporation though.
BVO is added to a food for a specific purpose and is regulated by the FDA as a direct food additive. BVO is allowed for use in a small amount, not to exceed 15 parts per million, in the U.S. as a stabilizer for fruit flavoring used in beverages.
The FDA is working on a proposed rule to amend our regulations to remove the authorization of the use of BVO as a food ingredient. For more information, see the unified agenda.
Neither party is in the right. While yes Israel does normally give warning and time to evacuate in this recent conflict Israel has repeatedly told civilians to evacuate to areas and then shelled and/or bomb those areas specifically evacuation corridors. There’s simply isn’t enough area in the strip for people to evacuate or move out of the way to.
Israel is objectively in the right. The only perspective where they are not is if you are an Islamic fascist who believes God wrote the quaran to Mohammed and hamas has interpreted it correctly to say the entire world should be compelled to be a Muslim theocracy.
Every war results in civilian deaths, WW2, the civil war etc… Hamas hides behind civilians , in the history of the world there is not a nation which has taken more steps to avoid civilian casualties of its enemies than Israel
Wtf kind of rhetoric is this? There is no objectively right side in this conflict. It’s just evil people doing evil shit and the average person suffering because of it.
Yes there is an objectively right side, 1 side may not be perfect but there is 1 side that is evil- the Islamic fascists.
Like 9/11, yes america has made foreign policy errors however to hijack planes and crash them into buildings is evil. Yes they celebrated in Palestine and throughout the Arab world and civilians died hunting down al qaeda but it was appropriate to do.
If you are American you are living on colonized land, you are considered evil by the Islamic fascists, do you think someone is justified to break onto house and stab you, to target you as infidel explicitly. That is not the same as responding to that attack and the evil terrorist is hiding behind civilians (who support him) and them being killed despite taking numerous steps to avoid them.
The Islamic fascists are objectively wrong, they believe that a medieval warlords poetry comes from God and kill anyone that disagree, ISIS did this things in Kurdistan, just killing everyone and taking sex slaves. They are objectively evil and wrong and it is an intellectual and moral weakness if you can’t distinguish this
I don’t think you’ll find many people on lemmy who will agree that the US is objectively right in virtually any conflict. I remember even on the day 9/11 was happening people were saying how this was the chicken coming home to roost. Civilians don’t deserve any of this, but the actions of their country – against their will – started a chain reaction that lead to this terrorist attack.
That’s not to excuse terrorist acts. But they don’t come out of nowhere - they always feed on some legitimate grievance, or else they would have no recruits.
Yeah some people did cheer 9/11 but these are morally weak people.
If Israel killed 2 million gazans tomorrow they could say look at what they did and I don’t think the people who said the 9/11 terrorists had their reason would endorse killing 2 million Muslims.
This is what moral reasoning is, just because 1 side isn’t perfect doesn’t mean that the other side is evil or wrong.
You can see that the Islamic fascists rely obscuring issues, propaganda, yelling slogans in unison.
To parse facts is difficult but it is not difficult to see that islam is a fascist ideaology unwilling to be peaceful and Israel has made numerous steps and concessions to peace.
You could say that ISIS is justified to genocide the kurds for some reason, you can say the Nazis were justified, that Germany was decimated… It doesn’t occur in a vacuum, but then to turn around and be sympathetic to the Nazis who were bombed? Yeah many people are, they see the Nazis as justified and lament their oppression, but they are idiots.
You seem to assume that there are two possible positions: Hamas must be supported in what they do to Israelis, or the Israeli government must be supported in what they do to Palestinians. This dichotomy is bullshit. The Israeli government can theoretically be changed through democracy to put people that want to coexist with Palestinians in power. Palestine could theoretically have an anti-Hamas organization come to power who work towards coexistence.
However, the campaign of terror that Israel has waged against Palestinians for decades makes it hard for them to want coexistence. Conversely, the threat of Hamas feeds Islamophobic sentiment in Israel, allowing wannabe fascists like Bibi to gain power.
Bibi actually fucked up by not preparing for the attack and not seeing it coming in the first place. Israelis are pissed and it’s predicted that Netanyahu will lose power when things quiet down. Unfortunately, this gives the current government the perverse incentive to continually escalate the war for as long as possible while showing strength against Hamas in the hopes that right wing Israelis forgive them for their incompetence.
To change Israelis leadership, foreigners who want peace should encourage Israel to deescalate the war, and one way to do that might be to prevent both sides from getting the weapons needed to prolong the war. We should sanction Hamas and help Israel stop weapons flow into Gaza, but we should also not give Israel any weapons that fuel their attacks with high collateral damage. No artillery, try to end the blockade of essential resources by helping to police imports, and other techniques to keep Israel from widening the war. Tell them that they will not receive support if they encourage clashes with foreign adversaries. Tell them to only defend settlements in the West Bank and not carry out preemptive attacks.
I doubt Biden will do enough to deescalate, but there is a possibility that he will try to avoid a broader war. The US congress will totally give terrible weapons to Israel with bipartisan support, only helping Netanyahu stay in power.
What’s unforgivable about the response from the West is that many, like you, conflate the desire for peace with support for Hamas. It doesn’t matter if you say Hamas are fascists that must be destroyed, you have to believe that killing Palestinians is the only solution. The only way for the IDF’s strategy to destroy Hamas to work, is if they kill all Palestinians in the West Bank. They could kill 10k, 100k, 1 million, or even 2 million Gazans, but the remaining Palestinians will be no less radicalized. Hell, they’ll probably be even more radicalized than before.
The only way to kill Hamas without genocide is to give Gazans a serious way to improve their conditions. Israel should give billions to the most benevolent Palestinian organizations to invest in the country. They could give Palestinians voting rights and equal access to social services, effectively turning what is currently Isreal into a secular, federal state. The only other way that Israelis could get rid of Hamas is to turn Palestine into a maximally authoritarian police state, and in addition to being very expensive, they’ll probably have settlers push Palestinians out over time, resulting in a slower genocide.
The actual dichotomy isn’t Netanyahu or Hamas, it’s financially cheap genocide, or expensive peace, with slow and expensive genocide existing in between. Not all problems are best solved through violence.
I don’t think you know or understand the history of the conflict at all.
As I’ve said in other comments, and these are the simple facts of the conflict- that Israel has always been willing to and wanted to live in peace with Palestinians, that they accepted then 1948 partition, that they didn’t control the WB and Gaza until the 1967 war, have offered the pals states numerous times and they arabs live freely in Israel. OTOH pals have been explicit that there can be no Jewish state on any form, no Jewish presence, and vowed to fight to the death against it. These are the facts. The Jews, who are the natives of the land have made numerous concessions and the arabs who are from other places have not made any concessions from their demands which is absolute Islamic fascism.
Every ‘campaign’ of the Israelis to restrict Palestinians has been the result of massive terror campaigns which the pals have vowed to as long as Israel exists.
Maybe not every response of Israel has been exactly measured but the genesis of the conflict is clear, that the Islamic fascist are not willing to accept a non Muslim presence in any form, and they are the occupiers, Jews are the natives of the land. Everyone knows that Jerusalem, Hebron, nazereth etc… Are all cities built by Jews.
West bank and Gaza are given a ton of aid and if they accepted a state would be living in wealth, living well is not their objective or at least not the objective of the government. They say explicitly they desire death, they they love death more than Jews love life.
You are intellectually weak and have no moral spine
I’m sorry you can’t view people as anything more than a horde. It must be hard to interact with children from an out group. They may look cute and innocent, but they’re just future enemies!
I do view people as individuals and some people are individuals and some people just function as hordes. In some places that is greater proportion of people who are individuals as opposed to hordes than in other places.
And Gaza, a place where the average age is 18, would be a place with more horde members than individuals? Honestly, even if a place has large majorities that support terrible shit, killing civilians at such a high rate will necessarily kill innocents and ethical people. Even if 90% hate Jews more than they love life, 10% don’t. Hundreds of adults who wanted peace have probably been killed by Israel since Hamas’ attack, while over a thousand children too young to form an opinion have also probably died. Israel should stop the blockade at the very least. Famine and dehydration will kill the most vulnerable first, and children will die far sooner than Hamas members. It just isn’t right.
Yes more should be done to remedy gaza, and there are many terrible situations around the world where the give do terrible things. They let aid into Gaza but this is a war and there are hard choices in any war, you definitely want to avoid war.
And it is the pals who have perpetuated this endless war, if they accepted a Jewish state in any form they’d be living in peace and prosperity with no displacement. Jews are the natives people of the land and were refugees with nowhere to go during WW2. The Arabs sided with the Nazis in WW2.
Look up the 1948 partition, the size of the Jewish state which would not result in any pal displacement , most arbas living in aan Arab state and a small amount in a Jewish state.
They rejected that, they went to war against the premise of any Jewish sovereignty in the land to which they are unobjectively native. They have fought Israel in the most barbaric way only targeting civilians for decades while Israel makes measured responses. The pals priority is to fight Israel any way it can, use pals as human shields for propaganda, because they follow a fanatical , fascist , hateful religion which believes the entire world should submit to the rule of God transmitted through the quaran. That is what islam means, submission. They will fight to the death in every way. They are evil.
Israel didn’t do enough to avoid war. The Israeli government didn’t see the Hamas attack coming, or didn’t prepare for it. Islam is not indisputably fascist. Most importantly, the current IDF strategy to destroy Hamas won’t work. The only way it can realistically succeed is through genocide or the expulsion of Palestinians, and that is not a good solution.
They definitely made mistakes. For years hamas has been firing hundreds of rockets every day. You know that rocket that hit the hospital parking lot they blamed on Israel and killed so many people, they fire dozens of those at Israel everyday and the expectation is Israel shoots them down with iron dome. In what other country in the world do you have daily indiscriminate rocket attacks ? What would Americas response to daily rocket attacks be ?
Most Islamic countries are facist- they are dictatorships with non elections and no allowed opposition. Religious morality is enforced, women are killed for not wearing their scarfs and of course homosexuals are killed.
Unfortunately it’s not a good situation no matter what
Most Islamic countries are facist- they are dictatorships with non elections and no allowed opposition. Religious morality is enforced, women are killed for not wearing their scarfs and of course homosexuals are killed.
This is lacking context and so hypocritical coming from a European.
Tell me again, who backed Saudi Wahabbist Islamism over Egyptian secular Arab nationalism during the decolonisation period? It was you lot. And now your ‘homophobic’, ‘authoritarian’ bogeyman is a wealthy and powerful key ally to the US in the M.E, and somehow the blame lies fully with Muslims? Get serious.
First of all Israel is a western democracy and is not government based on Judaism any more than Britain is government based on Christianity.
Second of all there is a reason that Jewish based relations spread around the world, and that is because there is a true element which is consistent with Aristotle and Hinduism , that the nature of world is that there exists a creator being who is detached from all else. Many important things have come from this true conception of the universe, but one of them is not that the entire world should be government by the poetry of a medevil warlord
ALL abrahamic religions are founded on lies. The book of Genesis is part of the Torah and exists solely to indoctrinate prejudice against women. They are all bullshit.
That is not true. For good or bad these are the most ancient myths of humanity,stories used to transmit ideas before writing was invented and written down at the neolithic revolution.
Men and women are of different natures … In truth Adam , eve, and the snake are all one being and exists inside every person. In the story God only speaks to Adam , Adam speaks to eve and eve to the snake as this is how they are connected in the brain/soul
The snake is not specifically evil, but relates to physical needs eg food, sex.
Don’t worry, fascist… I’ll once again translate for the people that don’t speak your language - Israel is bombing the children, and white supremacists should rejoice.
You need me to translate your fascist-speak again? Sure… this time, you’re saying - I really hate it when people translate my fascist-speak into something humans can understand.
Fine… if you insist, I’ll translate your fascism-speak once more. This time, you’re saying - I really, reaaaallly hate it when people translate my fascist-speak into something humans can understand.
what are you? the worst fortune teller ever? you’ve gone off the rails so hard you are literally just pointing your finger at random people and shouting “FACIST!”
not sure what any of this has to do with the awful things going on in gaza right now.
Lots of people here sure are eager to show off their fascist sympathies by running interference for fascists who had their feels hurt by me - so I guess it’s not all that random, is it now?
Yes hamas has to be removed because they are terrorist, they will lead to the deaths of civilians on both sides and have caused many deaths. Civilians are given the opportunity to flea, they should leave, why would they stay ? To be propaganda martyrs?
You are a crisis actor, you act like you have this moral principle that we have to protect the Innocents at all costs but when the pals routinely target civilians you say nothing
Hamas targets children , the pals support it, they are the bad guys. Israel does not target civilians hamas hides behind them, they are the unobjectively the bad guys
If this is your yardstick, Palestinians are much much more likely to support killing Israelis “just because” than the other way around. There’s really no moral high ground in this conflict
Take a look at Palestinian deaths vs Israeli deaths. Israel has been much more successful at killing Palestinians “just because” than the other way around.
Israel kills more civilians than Palestinian orgs do. Palestinian orgs target civilians in a way that Israel simply doesn’t. Focusing on Israeli excesses without acknowledging how many Palestinians really, actually, want to exterminate all jews is just as disingenuous as focusing on Israeli security concerns without acknowledging the deprivations they impose on Palestinians.
In danger of repeating myself, no moral high ground to be found.
I agree, both are being terrible. The issue is nobody is saying Hamas attacking civilians are justified, so there’s no reason for me to include in every post “Hamas bad”.
There are people saying Israel killing civilians is justified, so there is reason to point out specifically “israel bad”.
It is possible to criticize one group without naming every other group on existence that is also terrible.
My first quote is from a group of Harvard students immediately following the attack on Israel. The second is from Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the President of Turkey. Do heads of state count?
Fact is Muslims live freely as equal citizens in Israel and have no desire to live under Palestinian authority.
Jews cannot live freely in a Muslim country and have had laws discriminating against Jews for hundreds of years. Judaism predates islam not only in Israel but in Iran, Iraq,syria, Egypt, Morocco and in all these places there are and have always been discriminatory laws against Jews.
Jewish people are the natives of the land, the aqsa mosque is built on the Jewish temple, the premise of Islam is there can be no Jewish state or Jewish freedom anywhere and not in the land to which they are native, it is all Muslim dictatorships from Morocco to Pakistan, they are fascist
Palestinian Moslems and Christians and Jews are very much natives of the land. It’s the same fucking people, a number of which changed religion in the 2500 years since the Diaspora started.
Denying that is the #1 lie of Israeli fascists. If you wanna be a Zionist go back to Herzl and actually strive towards living in harmony with your brothers and sisters.
There are druze , circassions, Muslim immigrants who came hundreds of years ago,.some came when the Jews came, there are many different groups but everyone knows that Jews are native to the land
So you think the Celts should kill all French and Germans, right? I mean they are native to the land, their ancestors were there before the Romans and the Germanic tribes
Jews are the natives of the land. So if you could imagine the British not allowing celts in England. Or white people not allowing native Americans in the US.
There are native people to the land who are Jewish. That does not mean that all Jews globally are native to Palestine or that only Jews are native to the land.
There are still some Celts in continental Europe (mostly in Brittany). So thus the Irish, Scottish, Cornish, Welsh, Manx, and such are all totally justified in settling and displacing everywhere their ancestors have ever lived, right?
So if you could imagine the British not allowing celts in England. Don’t you know? The Celts settled the British Isles and Ireland and displaced the people living there in the iron age
Jews originated in Israel, this is a fact. Jews have always been willing to live with arabs in Israel. It is the arbasnwho have launched war against any Jews in the land, the land to which they are native.
It would be like all the non Irish groups in Ireland saying that the Irish can’t live their etc…
And the ancient Israelites descended from people who came from outside of Israel. You cannot simply ethnically cleanse land of people whose families have lived there for many generations just because your ancestors also lived there long ago. I do not believe Jews should be excluded from Palestine either, just as Palestinians and other Arabs tend to believe. But the modern state of Israel is a settler colonial project that does indeed push out others with rightful claim to the land. The only reasonable solution, at least if we are accepting the framework of modern states, would be for Israel as it exists today to be dissolved, and the whole land formerly known ubiquitously as Palestine to become a secular democracy without prescription for religious and ethnic supremacy and exclusion, with the right to return for displaced Palestinians. This also respects the rights of many Israelis who, at this point, are multigenerational, and many of whom know no other home but Israel.
I should also point out that your portrayal of Arabs as a war-making monolith is extremely reductive and racist. Just as is your conflation of Jews and Israel.
but everyone knows that Jews are native to the land
I mean… yes and no? Filipinos aren’t native to Saudi Arabia just because they happen to be Muslim.
The Jews got ethnically cleansed out of the area ballpark 500BC when Babylonians conquered it, then when Persians conquered it less than 100 years later they were allowed to return. Islam and Christianity didn’t exist at that time. Ashkenazi in particular stem from a Jewish community in Rome, ca. 200BC, that is they’re part of the diaspora which didn’t return immediately.
Now it’s over 2000 years later and while I wouldn’t want to deny anyone the right to move to a place of religious and cultural importance to their ethnicity, but bloody behave yourselves while doing it. The Palestinians aren’t the Babylonians, they’re the descendants of people who returned early to those lands. And that’s actually what Herzl and the early Zionists did, but then nationalistic chauvinists came along, including people who aligned with fucking Nazis like the Stern Gang, and everything went, predictably, to shit. From that general fascist direction also things like forced sterilisation of black Jews in Israel.
Deal with those people, for starters, don’t have Ben-Gvir as minister for national security, accept that they’re the same shit as Hamas and Nazis just with a different coat of paint and act accordingly. Once the Israeli civil society gets around to do that a lot of people would be way more receptive to the idea of “but but Israel is the good guy here”. Once you stop making excuses for fascists and fascist rhetoric and myths. I know the average Israeli isn’t a fascist, they’re centre-left, but boy is there a blind spot when it comes to “security” rhetoric.
Arabs are native to Saudi arabia, Islam is an Arab religion but not all Muslims are arabs. It’s like the difference between being Italian and Catholic. Judaism is an ethno religion, they don’t convert and they don’t force people to convert as Muslims do.
Some pals may be defended from Jews but many groups traveled through the region over the years and there was never a cohesive Palestinian identity. Under Muslim rule there were laws against non Muslims immigrating. Under British rule Jews were allowed but so were Muslims and many Muslims immigrated at this time as Jews developed the land.
The arabs sided with the Nazis in the war and sought to restrict Jewish immigration. The British mandate of Palestine was all of current day Israel and Jordan. The Balfour declaration divided Palestine into Jordan and Israel, with Jews only allowed in Israel and Muslims allowed every where. Jordan was given to the 'heshemite ’ family who is not native, the entire country was given as a kingdom to a single family not from the region… in 1948 Palestine was further partitioned into areas where Jews were allowed and where they were not with a small Jewish state of mostly desert and swamp in Palestine, the Jews accepted and the arabs went to war. Before that point there was no Arab displacement or intention to but after the war many arabs were pushed out. Look up the 1948 partition. So at that point the Jews who were refugees from Europe were able to immigrate to Israel.
The arabs launched wars against the existence of Israel in 1955, 1968, 1973 , while Jordan controlled the west bank they never thought of making it a Palestinian state… When Israel controlled it they offered the pals states numerous times but from the beginning the pals refused because they will not recognize a Jewish state of any form as they have from the beginning, as it’s part of their fascist religion
I don’t see why there can’t be a Jewish state, and furthermore why Jews can’t live freely in the west bank, in Jordan, and even in Iraq , of Muslims can live freely in Israel why it the reverse ? Even under the occupation pals in the west bank have a better quality of life than most Arab countries and Gaza was way better off before Hamas. Israel has made rons of concessions to peace and that was their mistake, because they were naive leftists who believed that if they make steps towards peace the pals will reciprocate. What happened was they gave pals an inch , the pals used everything for terrorism, Israel clamped down and now the Islamic fascist regime uses thata as a pretext for terrorism.
Israel has made rons of concessions to peace and that was their mistake
No. The mistake was to first not nib groups like the Stern Gang in the bud, and then later on let that kind of thinking fester. You’re talking about wars against Israel’s existence but don’t mention that there were Jews in mandate Palestine which organised massacres against Arabs.
Are you aware of the term “Vergangenheitsbewältigung”? Israel has to face that aspect of its past. Come to terms with it. Stop casting themselves as only always the victim and ever only the victim and oh are all others always so mean, but instead accept, as history and as responsibility, that the state was funded in part on things like this:
Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat. We are very far from having any moral qualms as far as our national war goes. We have before us the command of the Torah, whose morality surpasses that of any other body of laws in the world: “Ye shall blot them out to the last man.”
Yep that’s Stern Gang. Remember that, as well as that they tried to ally with the Nazis, the next time you try to cast Palestinians as Nazis, or, worse, try to make them responsible for the Holocaust.
Jews faces discrimination in every Arab country. When the ottomans controlled Palestine there were laws against Jewish immigration, and of course not Muslim immigration. Yes Islam has been fascist for many centuries. Jews were restricted from immigrating and then when they were able to they attacked and responded to various degrees. It’s ridiculous to think that it’s not Muslims who instigated the attacks… Do you think small numbers of Jews immigrated and immediately attacked Muslims ?
It’s ridiculous to think that it’s not Muslims who instigated the attacks… Do you think small numbers of Jews immigrated and immediately attacked Muslims ?
Read up on the Stern Gang, please, on Kahanites, and so on. Even forget about Arabs for a second: The current Israeli minister of national security once called for the assassination of Rabin. Is that or is that not an example of something being quite not right within Israeli civil society. How can such a person, possibly, have a public office. People are getting arrested for “aiding the enemy” for speculating publicly about how a Gaza invasion could go down, without any access to or leak of secret information – merely educated guesses. Go down further that road and pudding prices will be the least of your problems. The Nazis didn’t come for the Jews first, Jews were like at least fifth in line, it’s going to be the same in Israel: First the Smolanin, then the socdems, then the liberals. And then the Arabs.
Or you can stick your head in the sand and kvetch while fascists are taking over the country.
Read up the kahanites? A fringe group which was outlawed… Read up on hamas, the government of gaza. You sound like a lunatic, the Nazis didn’t prioritize coming for the Jews ? You must be 12
If you claim that Otzma Jehudit (remember: Part of the governing coalition) isn’t Kahanite then you’re either utterly naive or one of them and trying to gaslight. Also: Did Ben-Gvir call for Rabin’s assassination? Yes or no? Why is the man allowed to be in power, curious that you ignored that one.
Read up on hamas, the government of gaza.
A dictatorship which came to power before 50% of current Gazans were even born, much less could vote. Netanyahu and his Kahanites were last voted into power in 2022. Try again.
You sound like a lunatic, the Nazis didn’t prioritize coming for the Jews ? You must be 12
The Nazis started killing Communists in 1933. While persecution of Jews started also in 1933, there was ample time to flee, and many did – Communists, trade unionists etc. weren’t given that chance. Historians differ a bit on the actual start of the Shoah, but the start of the war with the attack on Poland (1939) is a popular date to put it at.
Of course Nazis first prosecuted political opponents, groups which could actually stop them, before implementing their further goals. Nazis are idiots but they aren’t stupid.
Kahane is illegal in Israel, no Ben gvir did not threaten to kill rabin 30 years ago when he was w teenager. I ignored it because it is ridiculous.
All Muslim states are dictatorships , pals support Hamas, maybe they are brainwashed but then everyone should be calling for the removal of Hamas right?
The Nazis did not allow Jews to flee, everyone knows this, the things you say are childish.
The original party, yes. Somehow, much unlike Germany, Israel doesn’t automatically outlaw successor organisations. Also if you want to call Otzma Yehudit something else they’re still vile fascists so same shit, different coat of paint.
no Ben gvir did not threaten to kill rabin 30 years ago when he was w teenager.
Quoth him, 1995: “We got to his car, and we’ll get to him too.” Look it up. Also, as you mention it: What he did as a teenager. Hint: Being a Kahanite.
All Muslim states are dictatorships
False. I think Malaysia ranks highest among majority-Muslim countries, between Lithuania and Slovakia, both EU members.
pals support Hamas, maybe they are brainwashed but then everyone should be calling for the removal of Hamas right?
The Nazis did not allow Jews to flee, everyone knows this, the things you say are childish.
No, they are educated about history, and the world. Something you do not seem to be. Persecution ramped up slowly, emigration only turned into mass flight in 1938, that long people stayed in the country even though they had lost pretty much all civil rights in 1935.
It’s possible for more than one thing to be true at the same time.
It’s true that Hamas is a terrorist organization, yes.
However it’s also true that the Israeli government is undertaking actions which are fitting for a genocidal, fascist government. Do you seriously thing that their 24 hour evacuation notice sent to an excess of 1 million people who had/have no power, water, heat, or communications is reasonable?
They can’t go into Israel because they are murderous terrorists. There is no reason they can’t go into Egypt. If they broke into Egypt the egyptians would kill all of them and no one would complain.
If they broke into Egypt the egyptians would kill all of them
🤦♂️I can’t believe you’ve been internally inconsistent twice in a row after it being pointed out.
Let me get this straight: Every, single, person in the Gaza strip is a terrorist, and they are simultaneously not trapped, and if they try to leave they would be killed.
Pro tip: say things back to yourself once before saying them. Just to make sure they’re not dumb.
The cognitive dissonance you have is mind-blowing (this means you think conflicting things to justify your hateful beliefs)
The pals would like to go to Egypt, Egypt won’t let them in, if pals tried to force their way in Egypt would kill them because they don’t want them. How hard is that to understand ?
Do you have another explanation for why pals aren’t going to Egypt? I remember a couple of weeks ago there was a lie that Israel bombed the rafah crossing but it was made up like everything else. So what’s your answer ?
What’s your answer? You’re saying they aren’t allowed in Israel, can’t go to Egypt or they’ll get killed, and if they stay where they are they’re going to get bombed.
Yeah they are. First of all pals aren’t a race, they are arabs and there are hundreds of millions of arbas.
Secondly the causality in this conflict are in no way ‘genocidal’ even if you were to consider pals a race. They’ve been given warning to flee the fighting, it’s simply a term being used as propaganda, 'the genocide of children '…
They’re not being killed because of who they are, they are being killed because they launched a war. They are ‘genocidal’ against Jews, it says openly in their charter.
You can look back at history and see Israel has been willing to live in peace with pals, offered numerous states, arabs live freely in Israel, pals have waged war against any Jewish presence in the land, they are genocidal.
Israel is giving notice before they attack to flea, the pals intentionally target civilians. Of course the people attacking civilians are going to lie about everything. It is the most pathetic and disgusting people
“gen·o·cide [ˈjenəˌsīd] NOUN the deliberate killing or severe mistreatment of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.”
Genocide has never been about race. Many of the historic genocides have been commited by people of the same race just another distant group in that race.
Uh... I know this is too much for your brain to comprehend, but Arabs (the race) are only people from the Arab peninsula. Palestinians, along with Jordanians and the like, are Levantine, a completely different ethnic group.
Would you rather I call it by some fluffy, feel-good term like special operation? Elimination of the enemy? Opening a retaliatory assault on the Gaza strip while running a propaganda campaign aligning Hamas with groups like Isis or the Nazis, and portraying the Palestinian people as wholly supporting Hamas does nothing but provide justification for civilian casualties.
You are correct that a country may not normally provide advance warning of assault, however an unreasonable warning is as good as no warning and again, only serves to justify the deaths of any innocents that weren’t able to evacuate in time.
Israel has one of the best special forces units on earth, total control of what comes in and out of the strip, and the funding of the world’s second largest military, and you seriously believe they need to commit to clicking the delete button on the Gaza strip to remove a militant group from an area smaller than new york?
Several days of warning is more than sufficient, most people have in fact evacuated.
Israel does not control everything as you can see Hamas has thousands of rockets despite Israels efforts.
If pals indiscriminately fire rockets, the fact Israel doesn’t indiscriminately fire rockets is restraint. There are conflicts like this all of the Mideast and the reason they don’t fire rockets into Saudi arabia or syria is because they would kill them by the millions.
Hamas has broad support from pals, but if they don’t then what is your issue in the war to remove them ?
With all honestly, especially with the massacres that have been taking place last night, where Israel cut off all internet and networks, making it impossible for ambulances to operate, it really is Israel creating propaganda against Palestinians, not very different from how Nazi Germnay made up bullshit about Jews, a lot of propaganda not too different from the propaganda being used to justify murdering Palestinian children. Netanyahu is butchering Palestinians in Gaza now under the idea of a “final solution”. Israel’s constant obsession with not covering news from Gaza is no different from Nazi Germany hiding their atrocities from the public. Palestinians are considered “outsiders”, just like the Jews in Nazi Germany. There are apartheid areas that Palestinians can’t enter even though the territory was supposed to be under Palestinian rule. Palestinians are losing their jobs, losing their homes, their shops, not much different. Being demonized, deported, ignored, tortured, all of these are things Palestinian victims and holocaust victims have together.
Ambulances cant operate without the internet ? Ok. It’s a war, there will be suffering. Hamas could release the hostages and stop firing rockets…
Pals don’t have freedom because they are at constant war. They had every opportunity for a state and they chose war. Pal territory was controlled by Jordan and Egypt until 1966 and there was war
Pals are given the opportunity to flea a war zone, it is nothing like the Holocaust. This isn’t even like black September, the Syrian civil war or any other Arab conflict where the Muslims are much more severe let alone the Holocaust. Even if Israel killed literally millions of Palestinians it would not be like the Holocaust , the pals are devoted to fighting the jews, the Jews were not a threat to Germany in any way.
Ambulances cant operate without the internet ? Ok. It’s a war, there will be suffering. Hamas could release the hostages and stop firing rockets…
Pals don’t have freedom because they are at constant war. They had every opportunity for a state and they chose war. Pal territory was controlled by Jordan and Egypt until 1966 and there was war
Pals are given the opportunity to flea a war zone, it is nothing like the Holocaust. This isn’t even like black September, the Syrian civil war or any other Arab conflict where the Muslims are much more severe let alone the Holocaust. Even if Israel killed literally millions of Palestinians it would not be like the Holocaust , the pals are devoted to fighting the jews, the Jews were not a threat to Germany in any way.
You can understand the cynicism though. The occupation has been 75 years long. And it’s well known that Netanyahu wanted the secular faction weakened and had funded Hamas to do it. The Mossad also begged Qatar to fund Hamas.
I keep seeing this language that the fog “caused” the collisions. No. Reckless drivers who failed to drive appropriately for the conditions are what caused the collisions. The fog didn’t get behind the wheel of those cars and press down on the accelerators to make them go too fast to stop for hazards. The drivers did that.
Something makes me think there’s more to it than that. You’re talking about over a hundred people being reckless which seems hard to believe. I’m guessing that the smoke from the marsh fires wasn’t spread consistently throughout the fog, causing patches of extremely low visibility. The result is that you could have a wreck even when going well below the speed limit because you suddenly go from low visibility to no visibility without any warning (if the smoke is a similar color as the fog it might seem invisible and catch you off guard).
Unless they experienced something like spontaneous failure of their braking system due to smoke, they were driving recklessly. Driving recklessly is the norm, such as driving too fast to be able to respond to hazards. Easy to believe 90% of the people in the collision were driving recklessly and a small percent probably responded appropriately, but got rear ended by people driving recklessly anyways.
Fog is one of the most dangerous weather events because people don’t think of it as dangerous.
You have the people that do think it’s dangerous and slow down so you don’t hit someone in front of you and then you have the people who don’t think it’s dangerous and go barreling through at full speed and hit all the cars going slow.
It’s also possible that shitty drivers took out safe drivers that managed to do the right thing. It doesn’t have to be every single driver. A single tractor trailer could plow through plenty.
Wait, THE Jim Jordan from THE Ohio State University, where Jim Jordan, the Republican congressman who attempted to become House speaker, was involved with a sex abuse cover-up conspiracy!?
Jesus fucking Christ! This is all horrific but I nearly missed that part. 15 years for taking a substance that could endanger the baby (no need to prove that it has)
But a company head makes a decision that siphons billions of dollars from poor people, or directly endanger other people’s lives, or, hell, risk the future of our fucking civilization (looking at you Exxon), and maaaybe they get a slap on the wrist if we’re lucky. But only after rising hell on earth for that.
…but a woman gets accused of substance use that might hurt her unborn child, and she gets 15 years. Ruining not only her life, but also her unborn child’s, ironically enough.
If aliens looked down at us on earth, they would have thought we were some uncivilized savages about to blow ourselves up to kingdom come.
Man you know what’s not hard? Empathy. You know what is hard? Constantly finding ways to make life for others difficult.
Literally just build some free housing that won’t kick people out after extended periods of time, give them social support for jobs, give them mental health support, and feed them. If they don’t want to live there because of mental health issues, they should still have access to the other amenities and eventually they might move in. And blam, you will have a much better city with less crime and a happier population. Oh and it’s cheaper then funding death and destruction
Last detail: Proper funding for extra policing, to handle the natural difficulties in transitioning a whole bunch of people to a more structured lifestyle all at once, in the same small geographical area.
Otherwise we’ll run into the same problems we did last time we tried block housing, leading to “the projects”. I mean, think about it. That’s a fantastic market for a drug dealer or a gang otherwise, that many vulnerable people all in one place.
Very true and these police should be trained and continually educated on how to deal with and identify mental health episodes. A lot of people hate police as do I, but I truly believe with proper oversight and education they can be a great asset to our society.
I love how the original idea for police was "Wow, we should really have some form of enforcing the law that isn't dependent on local prejudices or just government men trained only to shoot people", and now it's... well...
Whose original idea for police? Sounds like maybe you’re alluding to Robert Peel. But as far as I know, the intellectual heritage of American police is more of an extension of runaway slave patrols.
Peel. I could get into a broader argument about the institutional origins of American police, but I think it suffices to say that American police were, at least in terms of becoming formalized structures, influenced by British (and French) policing ideals of the early-mid-19th century.
In that sense, they've certainly not lived up to the purported ideals.
Or just rely more on social workers who actually have that education. And less on people with guns who have a history of authoritarian abuses and state sanctioned violence that can be triggering, especially for people with mental illness.
Extra policing was part of the problem that led to the gangs. Extra policing targeted at an outgroup means every issue big or small is met with violence and imprisonment. The paternalistic overuse of the criminal justice system leads to the people losing trust in police and in the system. They still need someone to provide community structure, to settle disputes, and to offer some degree of protection and gangs are the homegrown solution to fulfilling that need. Extra social workers and community organizers that are from that community would do a lot better than extra police.
People don’t invite gangs to fill a need. Nor do they have the power to resist gangs when they want to take over. They fill a power vacuum. So, rather than eliminate the need for power to exist, you can also just prevent the vacuum. It’s much more feasible.
But either approach. So long as gangs and drugs are successfully kept away, that is the important part. At least keep the dealers out of the buildings when they try to worm their way in.
True. But once established they become an organism of sorts. It can move, find new prey, etc. It can create the misery it needs to have an environment it thrives in.
It’s a chicken or egg problem, and the answer is unfortunately irrelevant. Now that they exist as independent powers, they no longer need anything to cause them, exterior of themselves. They become self-sufficient.
Not policing, extra services from non-violent professionals that know how to address issues with homelessness in a way that does not involve tasers and physical assault.
Extra policing would be fine if the problems with police departments were addressed. Without addressing that whole mess, though, throwing more police officers won’t solve that problem.
Local property taxes are a way to assess your share of tax burden based on something approximating your share of enjoyment of what’s provided by those tax dollars. I.e., by owning property somewhere, you benefit from that location’s fire fighters, police, roads, etc. Investment in a foreign property would have nothing to do with consumption of local government services/infrastructure.
The purpose of it doesn’t really determine whether or not the taxing authority has the authority to levy tax or not. This is all a fight to try to stop taxation of capital until/unless it is sold,at which point capital gains taxes apply. If it’s unconstitutional to tax that equity in a foreign property/enterprise solely because it isn’t income (distribution, dividend, other payment) then I don’t see how it would be constitutional to tax a stake or equity in real estate.
Of course, I’m being slightly facetious here. Obviously we have a long history of taxing property, so I don’t see how logically this tax is unconstitutional either. In the same vein, the US also taxes foreign income that has no real nexus in the US, so if that’s fine I fail to see how they can’t tax a citizen’s foreign assets.
In the same vein, the US also taxes foreign income that has no real nexus in the US, so if that’s fine I fail to see how they can’t tax a citizen’s foreign assets.
On that point I’ll have to grudgingly agree with what I assume is the conservative position. I see no moral or legal basis for a county to tax activities that take place outside their jurisdiction. The citizenship of the people involved shouldn’t change that, but according to the US (and, as far as I know, no other county), it does. I generally see any conservative legal victory as a setback, but if this case some stops the practice of taxing US citizens living abroad, I’ll consider it a silver lining.
In Texas there was a guy running for governor in the primaries last cycle with “Eliminate Property Taxes” as the central message of his campaign.
The thing about property taxes is they go to municipal governments, counties, and schools. Lots of cities have laws protecting water, trees, workers, etc that the Republicans hate. By eliminating property taxes, they could gut municipal governments in Democratic areas and public schools.
Take 20 seconds to read through the post or his history. He isn’t participating in the discussion, and half of his comments are about reddit or LaMe rEdDiT jOkeS
Louie’s apparently a world-class windsock. He’s now sheparding environmental causes through the Postal department which is set to revamp their truck fleet.
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