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themeatbridge , in Elizabeth Hirschhorn moves out of Brentwood Airbnb after 570 rent-free days. She said she had a right to stay

I know it’s sexier to paint this as a nightmare tenant story, but there’s way more to the story. She didn’t just move in after an AirBnB stay decide to live there rent free. She had a lease, and there were repairs required in the unit that the landlord refused to do. So she sued him and stopped paying rent to cover the cost of repairs.

Then it turned out the landlord didn’t have a license to rent the unit, so the lease was void.

I don’t know either of the parties personally, so maybe the tenant was being unreasonable. But if you want to be a landlord, you absolutely need to have all of your paperwork in order, and you need to keep the unit in good working order. We should not have any sympathy for an owner who illegally leases a property with mold and unpermitted improvements when his tenant takes advantage of the situation.

Salamendacious OP ,
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In sure it’ll all come out in the court room. It looks like they’re both sueing each other

Burninator05 ,

The story I had heard was that the unit wasn’t legal but she was also preventing him or repairmen from accessing the unit to fix it.

Ranvier ,

Yes, he should have made sure to obtain an occupancy license, but it sounds like this tenant was preventing access to the property for repairs.

More details in this story: latimes.com/…/airbnb-guest-refuse-pay-leave-luxur…

During the original 6 month lease, the owner saw mold and water damage around a sink and wanted to repair it. He offered to pay for a hotel for a few days to allow for the repair. Tenant refused to allow the repair, and apparently the issue kept getting worse. Tenant didn’t want to allow for the repair until their lease was up. When the lease ended tenant let them stay for a few additional weeks, which was probably their big mistake here. Then when they still wouldn’t leave he called the housing inspector to start eviction proceedings. The housing inspector noted the lack of occupancy license, and an out of code shower. At that point the owner ended up in a catch 22. He could not file for eviction until place was up to code, but the tenant prevented any attempts to access the shower to bring it up to code.

Maybe there’s more to this too, that’s all just from the article above, but it sounds like there’s multiple sides to the story.

themeatbridge ,

Honestly, I don’t have any skin in this, so I don’t really care which side is the truth because it doesn’t matter. The landlord fucked up either way, making a series of rookie mistakes.

Son_of_dad , in Why Was This 11-Year-Old Brownsville ISD Honor Student Put in Solitary For Three Days?

Sounds like a little overachiever who is pretty mature for his age, up against a Karen principal who is annoyed by the kid instead of encouraging him.

trash80 ,

Yes. This is heartbreaking.

Timothy says that because of his father, he wants to be an oncologist when he grows up, although his mom laughs about how everyone else thinks her son should be a lawyer since he likes to argue so much. His father taught him how to speak up and advocate for himself.

Elivey ,

Wants to be an oncologist because his father died from blood cancer… So tragic.

RedAggroBest ,

Even worse than that really. She’s a principal who should’ve been fired, but instead they swapped her and the counselor from her school with the one in this one. Yes, drag the overperforming school down instead of outright replacing the staff of the underperforming one. brilliant move.

He asked her on day one where the old counselor was and she took that as an insult (because she knows she’s shit) instead of a genuine question like an 11yo would have because what fuckin 11yo, no matter how gifted, is tracking the staff moves of their school district?!

skweetis , in Charges dropped against Philadelphia officer who fatally shot Eddie Irizarry at traffic stop

What the actual fuck?! When I read this story a month ago I was furious because they claimed he was out of the car and lunging at them with a knife when they shot him through a closed car window. Mistaking someone for being out of the car and lunging at you when they are inside the car with the window rolled up is not the same as (claiming to) think a knife is a gun. So, you get to lie about what you were scared about and then revise your lie to something more plausible later on? So much fucking bullshit.

Also, it should be noted that the police only "walked back" the statement about him being out of the car when the family went door to door and found ring cam footage that he was in the car. And they had to do this because the police wouldn't share body camera footage with the family.

PsychedSy ,

It’s just accepted that they lie on police reports at this point.

sock ,

they employ fiction authors to write the reports so they seem more fun and action packed

joel1974 , in Biden won't pardon his son if he's convicted on federal charges, White House says

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  • severien ,

    They have to work with what they have. Which isn’t much.

    ElBarto ,
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    It’s their only avenue to ‘hurt’ Biden, also it’s the old 'I’ll do to you what you do to me shit, because they’re all getting charged with shit left right and centre, they’re gonna do it to them, just for the fuck of it.

    solstice ,

    Because Biden is the political equivalent of a turkey sandwich. Boring, bland, nobody’s favorite, hard to criticize, hard to love, forgettable. Deflecting blame off the last guy is all they got and it’s pathetic how hard they’re reaching.

    Jimmycrackcrack ,

    Well, it all comes down to Trump. He won last time, in what was really actually a surprise to many. He pulled that off, also, seemingly surprisingly, not in spite of but in large part due to a lot of the things people assumed would hurt him. He was dodgy, he was brash, he was inappropriate and he had a very checkered past.

    He seemed to Intuit exactly how these seeming electoral disadvantages would actually play very well and certainly even continued to help after he won. But to at least some degree this did start to catch up to him somewhat over the course of his presidency and to a limited degree his opponents were able to impose some consequences that seemed to hurt him at least a little, notably being twice impeached. For all their bluster about “nothing burgers” this did seem to actually rattle his supporters as it was to some degree a way of objectively nailing down that he really was actually a bit of a crim and it wasn’t all just self-created bad boy mystique and wasn’t just character assassination. For all they might say about the fairness of it, he was undeniably impeached, twice.

    This seems to have been a festering sore spot for his supporters, especially in the wake of his defeat and now unofficial re-election campaign. Now it’s no longer so certain he can pull off the same magic trick twice and turn his flaws in to virtues, it’s imporant for his campaign to try and level the playing field. They need to try and change the equation where on the one hand you have one candidate with a shady background whose known to have been impeached for their dodgy behaviour, and one who hasn’t. It’s going to be a tall order even for “alternate facts” driven campaigning to somehow elevate Trump to equal footing so the better strategy is to try and find a way to drag his opponent down instead so that now, for anyone who might care, you can say "look, they all do it, they’re just as bad as each other in this aspect.l, and besides when it happened to our guy it was rigged and unfair '. It muddies the waters just enough. Also if they get any traction with this, if they impeach Biden, it’s a tough spot for Biden’s camp for an additional reason because if they defend on grounds of some sort of unfairness about the process, well, logically the whole impeaching thing must be pretty meaningless then because either all candidates are dodgy to some extent and it doesn’t matter or the impeachment process is so partisan that it’s conclusions are irrelevant and Trump doesn’t look so bad anymore.

    SulaymanF ,

    They don’t actually care about Hunter or even the charges; heck they probably don’t even agree with the gun background check law he broke. They just want a way to go after Biden and take him down. They want something to make him unpopular and rally the rest of the normal public behind so they can get him to lose. Once he’s out of the picture they can have their way on Abortion or Immigration or whatever their single issue voting topic is.

    eran_morad , in Trump asks Judge Tanya Chutkan to recuse herself in Jan. 6 case

    He stinks of desperation. Fucking traitor.

    bradorsomething ,

    He wrote himself a pardon he can’t use. Watch for everyone trying to squirm and make this a federal case - those are the ones with pocket pardons.

    schema , in Millennials didn't kill the 'organization man' after all. Federal data reveals it was the boomers all along

    Pay—the reason most humans work—remains a major motivator today. When consulting firm McKinsey earlier this year asked workers why they took a new job, nearly all groups gave the same No. 1 reason: More pay.

    Getting a new job is usually the easiest way to get a raise, with pay for job switchers consistently rising faster than for those who keep the same job

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I have the very slight suspicion that it’s not actually the workers to blame for not staying at a company their whole life.

    WarmSoda ,

    Correct. It’s not the millennials, or gen x, or even boomers. It’s assholes that don’t want to pay people.

    bobman ,

    Pretty much.

    The only difference is how much each generation realizes what’s going on. Surprise surprise, as the disparity in wealth grows, more people are realizing we shouldn’t support it.

    Th4tGuyII ,
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    Exactly. I'd bet good money most people don't get enjoyment out of job hopping, but it's almost necessary these days because companies have become increasingly disloyal and stingy towards employees.

    If companies would just offer decent raises, meaningful career progression, and two-way loyalty, I'd bet most folks wouldn't job hop at all!

    bobman ,

    Yeah. I’d much rather stick with the same company for 30 years improving what I do the entire time.

    alucard ,

    For sure. The founders of Silicon Valley started the trend in the 60s. I didn’t see it cited in the article. Would have been a good addition. wiki

    Pheonixdown ,

    I was a manager at a big bank. They were having problems with attrition, so every manager had to doing a dumb HR class about retention. During the class, they asked us how we thought we could improve the retention rate. My immediate response was pay more and drop their policy of focusing on paying bonuses over giving raises. The HR person was dumbfounded and we spent the whole time talking about trust exercises…

    INeedMana ,
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    At least you didn’t get thrown through the window, as in the meme comic ;)

    gornar ,
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    *Putin has entered the chat

    orphiebaby ,
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    Fuck the rich.

    BastingChemina ,

    There is a contract that is broken today

    The implicit contract used to be

    1. the employee stays in the same company for years. Staying loyal and gaining experience that benefit the company.
    2. in exchange the company is improving the life of the employee, pay raise above inflation level, better benefits and better working conditions.

    Today companies refuses to do their part of the contract and complain that employees don’t do theirs.

    aesthelete ,

    I think everyone’s forgotten about pensions here too because it’s been so long since they were commonplace.

    Pensions used to be part of the contract as well.

    30mag ,

    Companies like to pretend employee turnover doesn’t cost money. Training people isn’t free though and replacing a skilled worker with an unskilled worker hurts productivity.

    SoylentBlake ,

    Pay at levels which afforded having children, buying a house, two cars, a stay at home spouse, while vacationing once or twice every year.

    And a pension. Don’t forget the pension.

    We’ve falling a looooooong fucking way.

    bobman ,

    But hey, at least the people profiting are able to buy our government now.

    t0lo , in Fatal shooting of University of South Carolina student who tried to enter wrong home 'justifiable,' police say

    I love not living in america

    Rusty3427 ,

    We love not having you

    Soulg ,

    We hate having these garbage laws to protect rooty tooty point and shooty more than our actual citizens

    Rusty3427 ,

    Personal accountability. Don’t enter a mental state where you can’t identify your own house.

    Should I just allow someone to kick my door in?

    PowerGloveSoBad ,

    Exactly-- no one wants to take responsibility for themselves anymore, and then has the nerve to complain when they are justifiably executed on the spot. Maybe you won’t have that last beer next time

    EatSleepBatheRepeat ,

    “justifiably executed”. Jesus Christ man how psychotic are you?? Terrifying

    PowerGloveSoBad ,

    You wanna know what’s REALLY justifiable, buddy? Not reading the obvious sarcasm in phrases like “executed on the spot” because the US gun culture is deranged

    kattenluik ,

    Every country other than the US has wild break-in issues with fatal robberies happening 24/7 because they don’t have guns.

    ANALHACKER_3000 ,

    lol

    seejur ,

    Produce some data of shut the fuck up

    Touching_Grass ,

    Hmmmm

    kattenluik ,

    It’s called what I hoped would be obvious sarcasm lol

    random65837 ,

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  • seejur ,

    Except that the burden on proof is on OP? Ne made an assumption without proof. To prove it is on him

    HessiaNerd ,

    Where the fuck were his friends? Sounds like he was blackout drunk. No one was sober enough to look out for him?

    Folks, if you friend gets this smashed, don’t let them wander off by themselves. All manner of bad could happen. Simply falling in a bad enough spot may be enough. People have been known to drown in their own vomit.

    If we did a better job of looking out for each other, it wouldn’t come to these shitty situations in the first place.

    seejur ,

    Regardless of how drunk you are, you should not get shot for a silly mistake which endangered no one. Gun laws and this obsession of defending private property in ALL cases is simply stupid. Losing your life because you got drunk is stupid

    FlowVoid ,

    It wasn’t a “silly” mistake.

    I’ve been drunk plenty of times, but I’ve never smashed through a window and reached through broken glass to try to open a locked door. Most drunk people know better than to literally break into a house.

    kattenluik ,

    You’re different than other people? I thought we were all the same.

    FlowVoid ,

    Most people are just like me. A few make drastically different choices.

    Silverseren ,

    Do you routinely physically break open doors when you're drunk?

    random65837 ,

    So when people kick in your door, smash windows, reach in to open it, would you call 911? If so, why? Maybe because you fear for your life? Hope you don’t have a family that expects you to protect them.

    ArcaneSlime ,

    Well technically, calling 911 on a break in is just outsourcing the shooting, so imo he can’t even call the men with guns to use the guns he doesn’t think should be used.

    random65837 ,

    Exactly! All the gun haters, which are usually also Police haters are real quick to judge gun owners, until something terrible happens, then their excuse for everything is call the guys with guns. Which of course ends with them crying when it comes to using them. Like any cop WANTS to shoot and kill a person.

    ArcaneSlime ,

    Like any cop WANTS to shoot and kill a person.

    TBF I’m sure some do, the job does seem to attract some unsavory characters sometimes. Most in my area are alright tbh but we have a guy or two that seem like they’re just itching for the chance and they’re so mad that you have any rights.

    Still though, yeah, outsourcing violence because you’re afraid to defend yourself is one thing, but taking the option away from others is another thing entirely. My gripe is that in either case the potential for violence exists and to persecute one for doing it themselves vs outsourcing it to the police is a wishy washy bullshit stance, it is either justified or not and the uniform isn’t the deciding factor.

    Touching_Grass ,

    Responsibility here would be being charged with murder and serving time

    NightAuthor ,

    At least charged with murder and let a jury hear the particulars.

    Touching_Grass ,

    I agree

    Silverseren ,

    For defending yourself against someone who is physically breaking your door open at 2 in the morning?

    Touching_Grass ,

    What was the threat against his life?

    Silverseren ,

    Someone breaking into your house? You have no idea what kind of weapon (including a gun themselves) someone who is physically breaking into your house has.

    Touching_Grass ,

    Then why are you firing on them if you have a gun and you haven’t taken other steps to protect yourself. Blind firing is not self defense its irresponsible and caused the death of an innocent kid

    random65837 ,

    Having your home burglarized is reason to fear grave injury or death under law, wake up. Breaking into the house IS the aggression.

    Touching_Grass ,

    Except this person was not there to break in. And if the home owner took steps to meet the actual threat with a proportional response then he wouldn’t have killed the kid. Anything from shouting for the person to leave, to leaving the home and calling the police to also announcing he was armed and will shoot all could have prevented this. Which is why so many places have laws in place for this reason. This was a preventable death.

    random65837 ,

    Except this person was not there to break in

    Except he DID do that! So nice try.

    Would you make the same excuse when some drunk got behind the wheel and mowed down a bunch of kids? I mean, he wasn’t “there to do that” he was just trying to get home from the bar right? How about when one of those kids were yours? He had a good excuse, his INTENT was to just go home, so all is forgiven right?

    I’m honestly jealous of the make believe world you people mentally live in.

    Touching_Grass ,

    His intention was not to break in to someone else’s home. He was at the wrong home. Your example involves people being hurt which makes the example bad for this context. You stretched it pretty far and then accused me of playing make believe. Impressive

    random65837 ,

    No it wouldn’t, don’t be a retard. READ what he did the homeowner had EVERY reason to assume he was dealing with a home invasion.

    Touching_Grass ,

    You make a good example of how many stand your ground proponent’s don’t understand proportional response.

    random65837 ,

    And you dont grasp laws written so morons dont stand their and wait to be murdered in their own home by somebody violently entering it. Dont try to equate an equal force argument with a home invasion in progress. The home invader has already shown intent. The kid died because of his own stupidity and irresponsibility.

    Touching_Grass ,

    so morons dont stand their and wait to be murdered in their own home by somebody violently entering it.

    Reality here shows you why you do use proportional

    Dont try to equate an equal force argument with a home invasion in progress. The home invader has already shown intent.

    Again, the reality is there was no ill intent. I don’t need to force an equal force here because its clear had it been used the kid would be alive. That is the point of proportional response. Killing anyone should not be done without proper due diligence which here it is arguable it was not. The kid was murdered because he made an innocent mistake while drunk. A mistake that happens often

    lightnsfw ,

    What is “proper due diligence” when someone has forced their way into your home?

    Touching_Grass ,

    Anything from shouting that you’re armed and will fire if they enter. Leaving the home if you’re able too. Warning shot. Visually confirming what you’re killing.

    Home invasions are rare especially if you’re not connected to criminal life yourself.

    And the kid fucked up. No doubt. Smashing a window, who wouldn’t think home invasion. But having a firearm to defend meant the home owner had time to take other actions and be safe. Actions weren’t taken. Actions that if taken would have prevented this death. Which is why many places don’t have these types of laws. Statistically you’re more likely to make a mistake than encounter a home invasion

    lightnsfw ,

    There’s nothing in the article about if there were words exchanged or not. It does say that there was audio and video evidence that was reviewed during the investigation so it’s possible they did try yelling at him. I think that’s something most people would do in a situation like this.

    No one should be expected to flee their own home.

    Warning shots are inadvisable because you are responsible for where those shots land and it removes the “I feared for my life” justification in the eyes of the law. If you fired a warning shot and accidentally hit the intruder Or someone else you would be charged for that.

    The intruder was shot in the chest through a window so we can assume he was visible.

    Touching_Grass ,

    No one should be expected to flee their own home.

    Its the safest and quickest way to deescalate. If your house is on fire you don’t try to stay and fight it yourself. You get to safety. Same goes for home invasion. I’m not dying to save $500 TV. Standing ground only makes sense as last resort.

    you would be charged for that.

    No. Warning shots are warranted in some situations which this is. It sounds like you’re expecting more self control for warning shot and not for a kill shot

    lightnsfw ,

    Can you find one state where warning shots are legal? I just spent ~20 minutes looking and couldn’t find a source that supports them being advisable at all let alone legal.

    As for deescalating, I don’t believe anyone should have to deescalate when someone forces their way into their home. The front door is your last line of defense.

    Touching_Grass ,

    There was nothing to defend in this situation. Nobody was coming to hurt the home owner.

    ArcaneSlime ,

    Anything from shouting that you’re armed and will fire if they enter.

    So, give up your position and element of surprise letting them know where exactly you are.

    Leaving the home if you’re able too.

    Just give them the house, Morrowind rules.

    Warning shot.

    A) Illegal and B) because it endangers bystanders and is reckless and irresponsible.

    “Sorry I shot your grandma, I was trying to figure out if the dude making forcible entry to my home was an actual threat or was just out of Double Stuffed Oreos and the store was closed.”

    No, if you shoot, you do so because you need to stop the threat, you want those bullets to hit the threat and preferably stay in him, not zip out and endanger bystanders, nor miss purposefully endangering them more. Your advice here is not only illegal but dangerous and irresponsible, and nobody should follow it.

    Visually confirming what you’re killing.

    You mean like seeing an arm break a window and reach for a doorknob?

    Touching_Grass ,

    So, give up your position and element of surprise letting them know where exactly you are

    Yes, it isn’t Fallujah. Your position is in the house. Either they know your there or they don’t. If they don’t and you yell your armed the odds are they leave. Or in this case it would have opened a dialogue that would prevent the murder.

    Just give them the house, Morrowind rules

    You aren’t giving them this deed to your house.

    Illegal

    No

    because it endangers bystanders and is reckless and irresponsible.

    No it doesn’t. But I agree its a shame when innocent people die due to irresponsible gun owners

    You mean like seeing an arm break a window and reach for a doorknob?

    Unarmed hand but go back to first point about warning intruder you are armed and will fire.

    ArcaneSlime ,

    Yes, it isn’t Fallujah. Your position is in the house. Either they know your there or they don’t. If they don’t and you yell your armed the odds are they leave. Or in this case it would have opened a dialogue that would prevent the murder.

    No but I don’t live in a closet either, I could be in the kitchen, the top of the stairs, the living room, the bedroom, etc, and he doesn’t necessarily need to know “oh I heard a noise from the left, let me wing a few shots that way.” Sure they could run away, or they could shoot at the source of the noise, and the only way to know is to take that chance. You’re welcome to take it, but I shouldn’t be forced to after he has forcibly gained entry to my house without permission by destroying a window. Imo “locks” count as a warning that you aren’t supposed to be in there, and bypassing them is ignoring warnings, be they verbal or nonverbal.

    You aren’t giving them this deed to your house.

    Right, just access to my family or pets for 11min average while I wait for the cops IF I remembered to take my phone to call them during my egress, egress I might add that requires me to either dive through my back glass door because I don’t have time to unlock it if I’m downstairs, or jump out of a second story window onto concrete if I’m upstairs. Sounds fun.

    No

    Yes.

    www.usacarry.com/warning-shots/

    gundigest.com/article/…/amp

    ccwsafe.com/…/in-self-defense-episode-72-warning-…

    No it doesn’t. But I agree its a shame when innocent people die due to irresponsible gun owners

    Yes it does, and I’m glad you aren’t a gun owner because you would be an irresponsible one, advocating for unsafe practices and pretending you know what you’re talking about. Let me guess you think celebratory gunfire is safe too?

    Unarmed hand

    Nah pretty sure it had an arm attached.

    Touching_Grass ,

    but I shouldn’t be forced to after he has forcibly gained entry to my house without permission by destroying a window.

    When you’re killing someone, every step should always be taken to avoid having to kill. Otherwise this situation occurs. You shouldn’t kill innocent people and others shouldn’t be at greater risk at your perceived threats. Especially since it’s not just in the home that people open carry. It’d in stores, its in streets and traffic.

    Right, just access to my family or pets for 11min average while I wait for the cops

    All of that would prevent you from leaving. And standing ground would be reasonable. But that’s the point. If there’s a backdoor and you’re next to it. Get the fuck out. Just leave. You immediately survive and that is what self defense is all about. Sticking around to get into a gun fight is not self defense if you haven’t attempted any other measures to protect yourself.

    Yes

    Beg to differ.

    Its going to be location based. Been a lifelong gun owner and I’m tired of the church of self defense spreading the gospel of fear that you’re useless without a firearm to defend yourself. They’re fucking loons. Life isn’t that rough and you’re more likely to make a bad call like in the story above. Lucky the man in the story gave warning shots instead of firing on the criminals there.

    ctvnews.ca/…/man-acquitted-of-firing-warning-shot…

    ArcaneSlime ,

    When you’re killing someone, every step should always be taken to avoid having to kill.

    Took 'em. I call 'em “locks.”

    You shouldn’t kill innocent people and others shouldn’t be at greater risk at your perceived threats

    Agreed. Innocent. People caught red handed breaking and entering are no longer innocent. Innocence evaporates the second you force entry.

    Especially since it’s not just in the home that people open carry. It’d in stores, its in streets and traffic.

    Where the standard of defense is higher due to the other people having the right to be in those public places, unlike one’s home where the expectation is one of privacy and access controlled by the property owner or renter.

    If there’s a backdoor and you’re next to it. Get the fuck out. Just leave. You immediately survive and that is what self defense is all about. Sticking around to get into a gun fight is not self defense if you haven’t attempted any other measures to protect yourself.

    So, “Bye family, hope you survive, I’m diving through a glass door because I won’t have time to cross the room, get the key out, and unlock the deadbolt before he can get me. If you survive I’ll be in the hospital dealing with the injuries I caused myself to protect the guy who may kill you from the consequences of his own poor decisions.”

    Yeah right hoser, keep dreaming.

    Oof you are a gun owner who is willing to endanger others by shooting A) when you don’t “need” to and B) wildly, not aimed at the target, and with no way to know if the lady in the next appartment is in the trajectory? Jeez, stay in canada so I don’t have to worry about your irresponsible ass, your technique may work in the yukon but down here where other people exist that is illegal and runs the risk of you catching a murder 2 charge.

    You won’t convince me to commit crimes you know, sorry to spoil your fun. It may be legal in backwards ass canada but in the US it isn’t. Maybe Texas. Definitely not in my state, county, or city.

    Adalast ,

    “banged and kicked on the door” ≠ “kick door in”

    He was drunk and frustrated. He was likely kicking the base of the door trying to be loud enough to wake a roommate to open the door since he couldn’t get his key to work and was confused. Castle doctrine should not have applied here as he was likely not an obvious threat. The shooter could probably have talked with him through the door or, heaven forbid, actually opened the door and talked with him to figure out what was going on and helped the obviously inebriated young man home.

    Castle doctrine is intended for when someone is making an obvious threat with deadly intent. The way it is being implemented here you can shoot a proselytizing baptist dead on your porch because they were there to attack your soul.

    FlowVoid ,

    He did more than make noise:

    While the woman was on the phone with police, Donofrio broke a glass window on the front door "and reached inside to manipulate the doorknob," at which point the male resident fired the shot through the broken window

    Regardless of what you think about gun laws, I think the resident had good reason to be concerned for his safety.

    Adalast ,

    Yes, my only issue is what lead up to this point. Once he broke the glass, maybe I can see it being justified. But did he call the police? Did he actually talk to the guy or stand inside and ready himself to shoot him? Was there a non-lethal option? Could he have broken his wrist by pistol-whipping?

    Regardless of your stance on fun laws, I am sure we can agree that there have been far too many people shot through a front door this year to be comfortable. There was the girl who was selling Girl Scout cookies, the woman who was trying to deal with a neighbor who had violently assaulted her children with malice and a weapon, the guy who was lost and stopped to ask for directions. The list goes on. This country is founded on the idea that you can walk up to someone’s front door and knock on it. Barring posted signage to the contrary, it is a universal right of anyone to be able to walk up a driveway and knock on the door without fear of reprisal. Castle doctrine has been getting applied too broadly in recent years and needs to be reigned in. It needs to have reasonableness applied as to it being a last resort. It should also not extend beyond the castle walls. There were many reasonable actions that could have been taken in this case that obviously were not. A non-lethal shot? Hell, even a warning shot would have likely been enough to warn a drunk off. I am not saying that this is murder, or even manslaughter, but a life was unnecessarily snuffed out. This needs to be something. This idea that you can shoot someone on your front porch is reprehensible.

    random65837 ,

    But did he call the police?

    It clearly stated they were already on the phone with 911 while it was happening before he smashed the glass and went for the door handle.

    Could he have broken his wrist by pistol-whipping?

    You NEVER get yourself that close to a potential threat. That’s just complete stupidity.

    ArcaneSlime ,

    heaven forbid, actually opened the door and talked with him to figure out what was going on

    Problem is, if he is trying to hurt you, you’ve just given him access to do so easily so that you can “make sure” he actually wanted to hurt you. And maybe you have the privelege to do dangerous shit like that, maybe you’re 7’8" 300lbs and have adamantium bones, but some of us do not. Some of us are 5’6" 150lbs soaking wet, some of us are women, some of us are handicapable, not all of us are as priveleged as you to be able to fight off 1-5 guys with unknown weapons (even just knives) singlehandedly so they can brag about it, personally I’m incapable of doing that and I don’t want to put myself in harms way simply because the guy breaking into my house might have the wrong house or might want to rape and murder me in quiet seclusion.

    tchotchony ,

    No, but shooting them is an extreme reaction. I’m a woman alone. If this would have happened to me, I’d have barricaded the door, fled to another part of the house (there’s more than one door in), put more barricades in between us and made absolutely sure I screamed the neighbourhood awake. Once there’s more people to subdue him, the main problem is solved. Damages are to be covered by insurance. Now if he carried a gun, that’s an entirely different matter. Still, I don’t own a gun, never will, don’t think I’ll ever need one. Once a culture sees “shooting someone” as a first solution, things are down the drain imho.

    Rusty3427 ,

    So rely on other people to help. Ever hear of the story of Kitty Genovese? Dozens of people either saw her getting stabbed or heard her screams and nobody intervened or called the cops. Thanks, but no thanks.

    tchotchony ,

    They were already on the phone with cops. I’m just buying time until they arrive. And he’s a drunk, as far as we know not a murderer. My first instinct is not to kill anybody who has a slightly bad day.

    Rusty3427 ,

    Fight or flight. Some people run while others don’t. You can run all you want and assume they are drunks I have seen the darker side of humanity and will not assume the person doesn’t mean harm. Hindsight it’s easy to say oh he was just a drunk having a bad day. But when it’s 2am and they break a window to open the door, my first thought isn’t “this guy must be drunk”

    random65837 ,

    Those ARE citizens dipshit!

    iegod ,

    Perfect.

    marmo7ade ,

    Ignorance is bliss. America is not homogeneous. That might be a big word for you, but you have internet access, at least.

    Aux ,

    But there’s one thing in which America is homogenous - school and mass shootings.

    iegod ,

    It’s glorious.

    Leo_agiad ,

    The U.S. spends a tremendous amount of its energy on paranoia, checks and balances, and being remarkably resistant to large-scale changes of the status quo, particularly with respect to rights attendant to private property.

    In the current period of bullet trains, wind farms, and unisex bathrooms, it is incredibly inconvenient, even dangerous in its own right. It looks like an operating system bug, but only because it is holding up a feature that the real owners of America don’t like advertised.

    There is a reason the dollar is still the global reserve currency- because the entire system was set up to make private property despot-and-revolution-resistant, and the smart money knows it.

    The world is heading into a major demographic shift that is going to hit everybody’s social model like a brick through a plate glass window- too many pensioners and not enough taxpayers, and no one has built the roomba that cooks and cleans for grandma yet. We will get to watch a preview in China and Russia quite soon. The pitchforks are going to come out again, and politicians will blow with the wind.

    But if you own land/stuff in America, you will still own land/stuff in America.

    I’m not saying it is right, or just. It is simply some useful perspective on what such an awkward, irritating, distributed, recursive system might have been designed for, because it certainly wasn’t designed for speed.

    The term “storm canvas” comes to mind, and with it a reminder to keep an eye to windward.

    Aux ,

    There won’t be any previews in Russia.

    Chunk ,

    This is such a non sequitur argument lol

    The U.S. spends a tremendous amount of its energy on paranoia, checks and balances, and being remarkably resistant to large-scale changes of the status quo, particularly with respect to rights attendant to private property.

    I don’t know one single government that is in favor of upending property rights, the exception being newborn Communist nations. Those same communist nations, after the Vanguard die out, stop changes to property rights. The US isn’t different from other nations. Even China (today) is resistant to changes to the property rights structure.

    In the current period of bullet trains, wind farms, and unisex bathrooms, it is incredibly inconvenient, even dangerous in its own right. It looks like an operating system bug, but only because it is holding up a feature that the real owners of America don’t like advertised.

    What does this mean? Like, what is the point here? The US is currently reinventing their electrical grid, reshoring manufacturing, and is investing record amounts of money in itself to do so. The US carbon emissions have already peaked and they are slowly declining every year.

    There is a reason the dollar is still the global reserve currency- because the entire system was set up to make private property despot-and-revolution-resistant, and the smart money knows it.

    Again, totally random argument you just tossed in here. The US dollar is the reserve currency because every other currency is not as appealing. Case in point: we increase the interest rate as global inflation sets in and all other nations’ currencies immediately depreciate against the dollar. China has to have currency exchange controls because people would so prefer to hold USD.

    The world is heading into a major demographic shift that is going to hit everybody’s social model like a brick through a plate glass window- too many pensioners and not enough taxpayers, and no one has built the roomba that cooks and cleans for grandma yet. We will get to watch a preview in China and Russia quite soon. The pitchforks are going to come out again, and politicians will blow with the wind.

    Where do you come up with this stuff? This is some straight up fox news replacement BS. The US is 15% immigrants and is one of the only developed nations to have a relatively healthy population pyramid. If anything, this argument you’ve made is actually PRO America, ANTI rest of the world.

    But if you own land/stuff in America, you will still own land/stuff in America. I’m not saying it is right, or just. It is simply some useful perspective on what such an awkward, irritating, distributed, recursive system might have been designed for, because it certainly wasn’t designed for speed.

    The CCP owns all Chinese property and no one can take it from them. The German government cannot expropriate property. Filipinos, Malaysians, Columbians, Egyptians, Norwegians, South Koreans… they are entitled to property rights.

    Property rights are not uniquely American and it’s weird you think property rights are what makes America uniquely bad.

    reverendsteveii ,

    Just for curiosity’s sake, if it was the middle of the night and someone started pounding on your front door and yelling, then tried to kick your door in, then broke your window, reached in and started trying to unlock your door from the inside, what’s the civilized non-American response to that?

    TSG_Asmodeus ,
    @TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

    Phone the police, and then shout back asking what he wanted.

    reverendsteveii ,

    What’s the average police response time in your area? Is it less than 30 seconds? Because that’s how long it would be until dude is physically in your home.

    thenerdjournals ,

    wow, you’re so afraid of people

    Modern_medicine_isnt ,

    Well, maybe they handle mental illness better where you are (seriously, I bet they do). But here, we let them walk around untill they kill someone. So that is who you are protecting yourself from. And there are a lot of them just waiting to snap.

    thenerdjournals ,

    my husband is mentally ill and you have no idea how offensive you are.

    Modern_medicine_isnt ,

    There are all sorts of mentally ill people. I am referring to the ones who get arrested for violence and released over and over… not all mentally ill people.

    Stumblinbear ,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    I like your implication, here, that all mentally ill people are the same

    thenerdjournals ,

    In response to the comment that says mentally ill people walk around until they kill someone

    nuke ,

    Literally from the article:

    While the woman was on the phone with police, Donofrio broke a glass window on the front door “and reached inside to manipulate the doorknob”

    LordOfLocksley ,

    You engage them in conversion, explain to them simply they are at the wrong house, and keep pushing that point

    Source: I had this situation happen to me at uni, explained to the side he had the wrong house, showed him the house number, and he calmly left.

    ArcaneSlime ,

    Cool, cool. Now, what if the intruder isn’t a drunk college kid but someone looking to do you harm? You open the door, he pushes inside because he already knew that he wanted to do harm to the people inaide this house number, and then what?

    Not everyone is a drunk kid.

    Aux ,

    You can bang on a reinforced steel door all you want until the police comes.

    nuke ,

    Did no one read the article?

    He smashed the window and began undoing the lock from the inside

    Aux ,

    There are no windows in a steel door.

    nuke ,

    Reading comprehension is hard

    While the woman was on the phone with police, Donofrio broke a glass window on the front door “and reached inside to manipulate the doorknob”

    Aux ,

    You dumb?

    nuke ,

    Don’t cry to me because you didn’t read the article lol

    Aux ,

    Ook lol. Thread following skills - 0.

    nuke , (edited )

    Lmao don’t cry it’s not my fault you didn’t read the article

    Aux ,

    And it’s not my fault that you can’t follow the thread of more than one comment.

    nuke , (edited )

    I love how everyone downvoted you yet you think I’m the one who messed up

    Here’s the quote again, taken directly from the article. Try reading slower if you’re having trouble 👍

    While the woman was on the phone with police, Donofrio broke a glass window on the front door

    Which means… drumroll please… there’s a window in the door. I’m really glad I could hold your hand through this experience. Tomorrow we’ll work on tying your shoelaces because you’re a big boy now 😉

    Aux ,

    What is wrong with? Do you understand English at all?

    nuke ,

    I’m so sorry, I should have written that in a language you’d understand. Let me try again:

    Oook ook ook eek eek eek. Ooo ooo ah ah. Eeek eeek. Ooo ooo, aha aha, hoo hoo. Ooo ooo ooo!

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/26/article-1380746-0BC6A37000000578-761_1024x615_large.jpg

    Aux ,

    Oh, typing monkey on the internets! Now I understand why you can’t comprehend English language.

    nuke ,

    Aww don’t cry

    Liz ,

    No one ever reads the article. What do we want, context?

    I’m not gonna call it the world’s best home defense shooting, but I’m not gonna call it some kind of injustice.

    kicksystem ,
    1. Talk to the person
    2. Call the police and tell the person the police is coming
    3. Block the person from coming in
    4. If he comes in anyway use tools like baseball bat, hammer or kitchen knife to defend yourself
    random65837 ,

    We love not having you!

    Compactor9679 ,

    Amd we love not having you, too many imigrants already. If its so bad, why people keep trying to get in?

    carl_dungeon , in A B.C. study gave 50 homeless people $7,500 each. Here's what they spent it on.

    It was shocking to me to find out that not only are most bankruptcy cases related to medical expenses, but that of those cases, most in fact did have insurance (in the USA).

    pqdinfo ,

    It isn’t much of a shock to me.

    My spouse has just had a two week stay at a local hospital due to a difficult to diagnose issue that started as “pain in leg” and escalated to “can’t walk” in the space of a month. We have regular insurance, and the hospital bill after insurance so far is $4,000 but we know it’s going to probably triple or more by the end of the entire process. The yearly “Maximum out of pocket” on our plan is $14,000 but there are many ways in which the OOP can be exceeded by, say, a doctor being involved who isn’t in network, or a treatment the insurer doesn’t cover.

    We are “lucky”, we have ways to cover the inevitable bill. If it had happened ten years ago, when my daughter was still an infant, when our finances were bleeding, my job was barely covering our debt payments, raised in part because of disorganization during the birth, etc, there’s no possible way we could cover the bill that’s coming.

    I know people don’t like the ACA being criticized because it’s considered a well meaning attempt to fix the health care system, but here are the problems with it:

    1. For most people, it had a net negative effect because of the skin-in-the-game mandate. This is a principle the ACA’s writers signed up to early on to try to get right wingers to support the bill by massively increasing copays and deductibles. Suddenly an ER visit was no longer $100-500, but $1,500 or more. Doctors visits are up from $10 to $50-100. Specialists from $25 now to $75-100. These increases aren’t inflation based, they’re intentional policy. For a software developer like me, I can afford them. For someone working two low income jobs to support their family, a real “hard working American”, it basically makes healthcare unaffordable and unreachable. And all because some swivel eyed ideologue thinks that when you’re lying unconscious bleeding out on the pavement in front of the car that hit you, you’ll save the system money by using your smartphone to call the lowest cost ambulance service in your area.
    2. The ACA mandated a “maximum profit” as a percentage of premiums insurance companies are allowed to make, while coupling it with no effort to make insurance companies non-profits (ie not beholden to investors.) The result is that insurers have to intentionally negotiate higher healthcare prices with their providers! No, seriously! Because regular public companies like health insurers have to increase profits every year, and the only way to increase profits if you can’t increase margins or customer base is to increase your supplier costs so you can increase your own prices.

    And the cynical part of me says they knew this but didn’t care. The two obsessions were with “pre-existing conditions” and “bankruptcies”, but these are both sides of the same coin. People were facing huge medical bills because their insurers didn’t cover them and bankruptcies were the result. And bankruptcies hurt… banks. And banks seemed to be what they cared about most of all in 2009-2012. They did nothing to stem the foreclosure crisis, for example. Maybe, ultimately, what the ACA was about was protecting banks, creating an environment not where bankruptcies wouldn’t happen, but where those bankruptcies would be about debts in the region of $14,000, not $1M. Something much easier for banks to handle.

    That’s the cynical part of me. Part of me hopes that the majority of Democrats who voted for the ACA merely thought it was the best they could do. But those two flaws need to be fixed. Get a Public Option in so there’s at least one non-profit insurer, and abolish the high taxes on “cadillac” plans - the plans that, like pre-ACA plans, had token co-pays and reasonable deductibles.

    Drivebyhaiku ,

    As a Canadian this is what I fear for my American friends. While I have heard lots of people whine about how people “die on wait lists” in the Canadian system that really hasn’t been my experience. While yes things like joint surgeries and electives can take a while I have had relatives of friends flown via helicopter ambulance from small towns for month long stays for serious stuff at the drop of the hat at no cost to the family.

    Anything seriously life threatening has gone into treatment immediately. Hospice stays are mostly covered so compassionate end of life facilities cost half of what a dirt cheap hotel does. The cost to the taxpayer for healthcare is, determined by tax bracket is tiny. If I make $80,000 it costs me about $350 for the year.

    Because it’s a drain on the government’s bottom line there’s a lot of harmful food additives that are banned in Canada because the ethos is that it is unlawful for businesses get to make profit at the expense of consumer health if people can not be easily informed of the health risks. The Covid Vaccine was also given a lot more push society wide because the beggaring and allotment of resources away from the healthcare system for preventable incidents directly effects everyone.

    Deciding that healthcare is a right has society wide advantages. People will do anything to stay alive a little longer including beggar themselves so it makes sense that adding business interests into that market to jack up the prices for profit is just unethical imo.

    EditsHisComments ,

    My boss told me something that will always stay with me. I’ve never known him to lie, so I have no reason not to believe him - but nevertheless this is still a personal anecdote.

    Anyway, he told me that when he was a teenager, his family had gotten to a point where they moved out of a bad neighborhood and into a rather affluent one thanks to some luck from his parents. He said he went to the store one day and a homeless person was outside the store, asking for help getting back on his feet. My boss, being the asshole teenager he was, told the person to, “just get a job.”

    He said the person humbled him immediately, and told him in a very respectful, but firm manner, that he lost his wife and son due a car wreck the year before - that he went bankrupt and eventually homeless paying for their medical bills while they lived, and for their funerals when they died.

    My boss tells this story to our new-hires when he can. He typically says that all this person needed was for someone to believe in them and give them another chance, because no one truly helped them when they needed it most.

    SeaJ ,

    I’m assuming your boss offers you decent health insurance, right?

    EditsHisComments ,

    Actually, yes. This is one of the best health plans I have used. It could be better, it could be cheaper, but I am more than pleased with it and had a few different options to choose from.

    PlantDadManGuy ,

    90% of sob stories you get from gas station bums are absolute bullshit. Some of them are incredibly good liars because their cash supply depends on it. I’m sure some of them are “just trying to get back on their feet” so I’ll give out food to people who need it, but I will never give out cash.

    EditsHisComments ,

    Maybe, maybe not. I can’t control what others do, but I can control what I do. I don’t want to enable someone, but I also know for some that money is exactly what is needed. So, I do my best to judge the situation and act accordingly.

    Okokimup ,
    @Okokimup@lemmy.world avatar

    I view it as performance art. Someone could play music or perform Shakespeare on the street to make me feel something, and I would throw money in their hat. In this case, the feeling is altruism, and they’ve earned their money with the performance.

    collegefurtrader ,

    I heard a lot of them when I lived in Toledo. It’s especially disappointing when the same guy forgets your face and feeds you a completely different elaborate bullshit story

    Ikaros ,

    I read the beginning of your post and was expecting some life changing story. Had my full attention just to be disappointed. Nothing special or profound about your bosses story. Thats routine USA. Perhaps i have become desensitized. I wouldn’t repeat that story again, it means nothing. I certainly didn’t have an epiphany.

    EditsHisComments ,

    Who are you to say it means nothing - I find value in it, so I will share it. The point is to not judge someone at face-value because of the circumstances you are seeing them in. Everyone is going through something, so we should all try to help others when we can - just as we will need help with something eventually.

    Ikaros ,

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  • hypelightfly ,

    The point you are missing is this is common sense and goes without saying.

    The point you are missing is that you are wrong. This is not common sense and does not go without saying. It should be, but isn't.

    This story was life changing for the other person, just because you're an asshole doesn't mean their story has no meaning to them or didn't change their life and how they view the world.

    Ikaros ,

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  • Feathercrown ,

    You clearly haven’t met any one of the enormous amount of people in the US that need to hear this story and don’t find it as obvious as you do

    Bo7a ,

    piles of words that basically just say ‘I’m an asshole and want you to feel bad’

    Fuck off. You are not the arbiter of what is worth typing. And your comments are actually off-topic, unlike the person you are complaining about.

    Veraticus , in Idaho’s Teacher of the Year flees state after being attacked for LGBTQ+ allyship
    @Veraticus@lib.lgbt avatar

    I want to imagine Republicans actually care about driving out good teachers. But getting rid of education is probably just a win for them.

    Tenthrow ,
    @Tenthrow@lemmy.world avatar

    They are already driving out the doctors.

    Potatos_are_not_friends ,

    Idaho did a nice doctor purge during COVID. Then Idaho citizens ran to Washington and Oregon for medical care.

    whatisallthis ,

    We’re gonna have to see if they can hit a moving target at 20 yards before Republicans can determine if they’re a good teacher.

    Got_Bent ,

    Is that with a football or a bullet? Both scenarios fit.

    kescusay ,
    @kescusay@lemmy.world avatar

    Only because they’re astoundingly shortsighted. This sort of crap causes a brain drain, and absolutely obliterates economies long-term. What we’re seeing right now is the beginning.

    eestileib ,

    “Better to rule in Hell than serve in Heav’n”

    Saneless ,

    If they also cared about long term issues, West Virginia would be better off

    The venom is what they live for. They don’t want to actually fix a single thing

    BetaBlake ,

    It’s why desantis is actively trying to make Florida schools worse. Education = Bad

    reverendsteveii , in Disapproval of Elon Musk is top reason Tesla owners are selling, survey says
    1. make the whole brand about me as a person
    2. act like an insufferable prick
    3. ???
    4. profit!
    JudahBenHur ,

    Pleased to see this meme format returning

    infotainment ,
    @infotainment@lemmy.world avatar

    All Elon had to do was stick to the rockets and cars!

    But no, he has to go pick fights with random people online and espouse stupid talking points. It’s like a masterclass in killing your personal brand.

    Cleverdawny ,

    I was off the Musk bandwagon when he called that rescuer in SE Asia a pedophile for not wanting to use his stupid submarine. Cancelled my cybertruck preorder.

    puppy ,

    You’ve pinpointed the exact moment I became disillusioned!

    PugJesus , in Elizabeth Warren Trolls Trump and Vance: ‘I Wouldn’t Trust Them to Move My Couch’

    Really loving the “Just enough to be deniable” couch attacks on Vance.

    cybervseas ,

    As Stephen Colbert gleefully said of the couch story last week, “It’s not true, and nobody cares.”

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    The best part is that it really is kind of thing he might be into. It means that any attempt to deny it either makes him look much worse, or much more guilty.

    MagicShel ,

    Do you think anyone out there is trying it, American Pie-like? With a greasy rubber glove stuck to their junk?

    Because that would be pretty great, too.

    FuglyDuck ,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    Horny teenagers probably did it within minutes.

    Hell.

    Vance probably tried it after a day or two. Probably the first time he hasn’t had any complaints after.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I loved Seth Meyers’ first joke about it when he came back off break (which is when Trump picked Vance):

    “It’s NOT TRUE that JD Vance had sex with a couch. It is JUST A RUMOR!”

    “It was just hand stuff.”

    Tja ,

    However a lot of people are saying. Strong people, tough people. And they are saying very strongly. Lots of people. I don’t know, but a lot of people are saying it.

    WanderingVentra , in ‘He Wasn’t Really Radical Left’: Trump Has Kind Words For Joe Biden, Accuses Democrats of Staging ‘a Coup’

    He misses him so much lol.

    takeda ,

    This is sad. It’s like seeing an old man talking to an empty spot on a bench… and then you realize it’s where his wife used to sit.

    He would give ANYTHING to have just one moment… with crooked Joe.

    Love Jon Stewart youtu.be/-VW6tHIcGfc?t=14m42s

    superkret ,

    It’s like seeing an old man talking to an empty spot on a bench

    https://feddit.org/pictrs/image/9f25bbc7-9cdc-4616-a2b7-1a3675f83d26.gif

    whotookkarl ,
    @whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

    What a maroon

    Luck ,

    What an ignoranimous.

    edgemaster72 ,
    @edgemaster72@lemmy.world avatar

    Sorry Donny, he’s just not that into you

    dogsnest , in Trump said he ‘went down’ in helicopter 'emergency landing' with former San Francisco mayor, who says it never happened
    @dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

    “Willie is the short Black guy living in San Francisco,” Holden said. “I’m a tall Black guy living in Los Angeles.

    “I guess we all look alike,” Holden told POLITICO, letting out a loud laugh.

    It happened, but wrong Black dude.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe Holden and Brown both became black like Kamala and when you’re a fresh black person, you tend to look like the industrial negroid mold they use.

    dogsnest ,
    @dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

    Trending on xitter (for real, I just spent 72 hours there, voluntarily, was invited to join in April, '06, made acct, never used it):

    “Kamala isn’t African-American. She’s Jamaican-Indian!”

    True story.
    Oh, now I can dunk, “I deleted my 18 year old twitter!”

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah, there’s this new idea they’re trying to push that Jamaicans aren’t black. Wait until they find out that her father had a white grandparent. I’m guessing they won’t agree that a multiracial child of a multiracial man is pretty fucking awesome. But they’re still both black.

    dogsnest ,
    @dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

    They’re also pointing out she’s descended from slave owners (Hamilton?), so they’re making her less Black by the minute.

    Also:

    African
    Song by Peter Tosh

    Don’t care where you come from As long as you’re a black man You’re an African No mind your nationality You have got the identity of an African

    Cause if you go to the Catholic And if you go to the Methodist And if you go to the Church of Gods You’re an African

    'Cause if you come from Brixton And if you come from Weesday And if you come from Wingstead And if you come from France …Brooklyn …Queens …Manhattan …Canada …Miami …Switzerland …Germany …Russia …Taiwan

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Peter Tosh. From Jamaica. So not black for some reason that the MAGA assholes can’t actually explain.

    dogsnest ,
    @dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

    What would he know…?

    fox2263 ,

    Just don’t tell them how Jamaicans got there.

    takeda ,

    It happened, but wrong Black dude.

    No, the right dude was also asked and said that while he flew with trump there was never an emergency incident.

    The Times reported Thursday that the former president apparently confused Willie Brown with former California Gov. Jerry Brown, with whom he toured wildfire damage by helicopter in November 2018.

    A spokesperson for Jerry Brown told the Times that “there was no emergency landing and no discussion of Kamala Harris.”

    tyler ,
    takeda ,

    I see, thanks. I was going with this article.

    dogsnest ,
    @dogsnest@lemmy.world avatar

    Ya, my bad, I should have cited the article I pulled the quote from.

    cheers,

    OlinOfTheHillPeople ,

    Tl;Dr Trump confused two different black politicians, and the “conversation” about Harris never happened (with either).

    Also:

    Over the phone Friday, Res said Trump liked to tell a joke about Holden on the helicopter — “you turned white,” he said. But she said it was Trump’s face that was white. “He was white as snow,” Holden added. “And he was scared shitless.”

    PriorityMotif , in Trump spews lies, disparages Harris’s intelligence, insults Jews, and rambles about “insane asylums” in unhinged press conference
    @PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

    He does this shit to get back into the news cycle and it works

    eestileib ,

    And the press loves it.

    captainWhatsHisName ,

    Obviously.

    All the major networks covered this live. None of them covered the Harris rally that happened right after. Some did fact checking afterward. That’s after most people stop watching.

    The reporters often asked useless softball questions, like asking him to comment about his upcoming interview with Musk.

    When there was a serious question, he simply didn’t answer. There was one about abortion and he said he would answer later. There was one about whether an an abortion drug should be banned. He gave a rambling response that seemed to be about something else.

    Compare this to a typical Biden press conference where the reporters are rude and yell out questions and push back and tell Biden that he isn’t answering the question.

    The press is afraid of Trump and complicit with his criminal behavior and complicit in the ignorance of the voters.

    PriorityMotif ,
    @PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

    Well yeah, it generates engagement which they can then show their advertisers.

    rayyy ,

    Who we talking about? Oh yeah, some orange felon/rapist pervert who lies and shits his pants.

    RememberTheApollo_ ,

    I don’t think he’s that smart.

    Pandantic ,
    @Pandantic@midwest.social avatar

    Maybe, but he is that narcissistic.

    Revan343 ,

    His handlers are

    Erasmus , in Cori Bush Loses Reelection Bid to Democrat Backed by $8.5 Million From AIPAC
    @Erasmus@lemmy.world avatar

    She got beat by a guy who was bankrolled by Israelis and billionaire Republicans.

    eldavi ,

    it feels like money can do anything.

    AshMan85 ,

    yup, fascism

    sigmaklimgrindset ,

    Thank you, Citizens United :)

    Viking_Hippie ,

    She didn’t get beat. AIPAC and Republican billionaires bought her seat for that turd Bell.

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