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casmael , in Boeing hit after new whistleblower raises safety concerns

Man this guys got some balls coming forward after they literally shot the other guy in the fucking head fml

Dark_Arc ,
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There’s some definitive “do it, you won’t” energy here.

Which to be fair, it would look really bad for Boeing if this guy “committed suicide” too. To the point it might actually be safer to be the second guy.

Burn_The_Right ,

Boeing isn’t worried about “looking bad”. They’ll kill this whistleblower too if they get the opportunity.

Dark_Arc ,
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There’s no way whoever ordered the hit the first time (assuming it really was an ordered hit … and it probably was) individually is going to want that heat.

It’s one of those things that “if one of your acquaintances dies, it’s plausible it really was an accident like you said. If people who hangout with you keep dropping … a lot more eyes are looking at you.”

It’s probably not a true “company” position to murder whistle blowers, but somebody presumably thought it was in their own best interest.

Burn_The_Right ,

Never underestimate the profound arrogance of a corporate executive.

Fiivemacs ,

And lobbyists and unlimited funds…

orphiebaby ,

Heh, “executive”.

MataVatnik ,
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I’m thinking maybe a shareholder that lost a lot of money

Dark_Arc ,
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That seems plausible

echodot ,

They would have to be extraordinarily blatant to murder two people. One person they can get away with, but two people, probably not.

9488fcea02a9 ,

I dont know how much more blatant the last murder could be…

If anything, it only emboldened them to see how little anyone cares

ripcord ,
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I mean, it could have been a LOT more blatant.

But I agree on your second point.

It’s gotten almost zero real public attention.

the_kung_fu_emu ,
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"One’s a backfire, three’s gunplay"

  • The Way of the Gun
Badeendje , in Trump sues Truth Social co-founders, says they're not entitled to stock shares
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May their court battle be drawn out and their legal bills astronomical. They deserve it. All of them.

Akasazh , (edited )
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Amen brother (the break, I’m not religious)

half_built_pyramids ,

Odelay break

TrickDacy ,
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But the leopards absolutely weren’t supposed to eat their faces!!

Test_Tickles ,

First time in my life I am rooting for the lawyers to suck it all dry.

stoly , in The soft life: why millennials are quitting the rat race

My biggest regret in life was working hard for an employer who didn’t care for me. I now work in public sector and know that I am making the world a better place, and that pleases me. I got out of the rat race and now have some level of comfort.

AnarchistArtificer ,

I’m glad to hear that you’re doing better. I’ve found that public sector can be more stressful in some domains, because of how overstretched services are nowadays, but like you say, at least you’re striving for more than just lining someone else’s pocket

stoly ,

I am also in a good position–I work in higher education, so not quite the same as state or local government, which has different challenges.

ChunkMcHorkle , (edited ) in Trump Launches Another Attack on Judge's Daughter, This Time with Photos
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dustyData , in Serial Killers Have Rapidly Declined Since The 1980s

Lead poisoning is still the prevalent theory, I think. It fucks up brain development in ways that make kids tend to sociopathic personalities.

tsonfeir ,
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I’m always glad to hear more people know about lead poisoning. It makes a lot of sense.

thejoker8814 ,

I’m curious, you got anything light reading you can recommend to ease into the topic, please pm me. I’d appreciate, if it wasn’t another post which basically recites the content of another post, and so on - far too much out there these days)

mick ,

No. It’s not possible to find light reading about lead.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Badum Tss

NoIWontPickAName ,

Mythbusters disagrees

gibmiser ,

If you have 15 minutes this Veritasium is well done and explains the history that led to the problem.

youtu.be/IV3dnLzthDA?si=96jrGM0juzEDGUvb

tsonfeir , (edited )
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DigitalNirvana ,

It’s called The Lead-Crime Hypothesis, and you can find vetted info on it, here (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead–crime_hypothesis?wprov…).

Here’s a recent meta-analysis: www.sciencedirect.com/…/S0166046222000667

Society has not yet realized how important it is to clean up this issue. But we’re getting there.

protist ,

Society has not yet realized how important it is to clean up this issue.

If you’re talking about removing lead from our society, it seems the progress made over the past 40 years has been incredibly dramatic

PhlubbaDubba ,

If you’ve got Disney+ Cosmos has an entire episode about the history of the discovery of how bad leaded gasoline was

Immersive_Matthew ,

What is the excuse for mass shootings then?

dustyData ,

Weapons availability and the mental health crisis. In countries without easy access to guns, mass killings are conducted with knives or cars (runovers). And in countries with socialized healthcare that includes mental health, mass killings don’t happen, at all, or very rarely if ever. Socioeconomic inequality is usually the third element, like in the fire triad, mix the three and you get mass shootings.

PhlubbaDubba ,

Availability of weapons mixed with infrastructure development that atomizes communities to the point that the only places some people can find any social activity is nihilistic message boards full of psychopaths that actively encourage terroristic attacks on society but in the oblique way that dodges accountability for it when someone actually goes and does it.

cogman ,
  1. Easy access to guns
  2. The rise of easy access fascist media
  3. The dissolution of public institutions

It’s simply too easy to grab a gun by anyone. Military grade equipment is available to pretty much anyone with a credit card. Then you combine that with a CONSTANT beating drum from people like Alex Jones talking about how much they want crush, destroy, kill their enemies and how corrupt everything is. Then also talking about how people need to rise up and do “something”. While also in the same breath telling people to go off their meds and how any sort of treatment for mental disorders is actually poison. Then pair that with the fact that there’s pretty much no public infrastructure around public health (thanks Reagan). That means if you are having some sort of mental break down, depression, whatever, if you can’t afford the $100s/$1000s of dollars to get regular psychiatric treatment you are basically just going to be untreated. There is also pretty much no safe place to recoup for someone in distress but not at risk of suicide. But even if there were, even if you could afford it, fascists and preachers know that mentally healthy people are harder to grift so they spend all their time demonizing the very help you’d need.

However, not everyone that does this is mentally unwell. Some are just hateful fascists that believe killing gets their hate filled messages into the world. It’s why it is irresponsible for any media outlet to publish the name or manifestos of these assholes. Having notorious killers encourages more notorious killers.

Immersive_Matthew ,

Great explanation. All things we can solve, but choose not too.

shalafi ,

As to that first point, you know we had AR-15s in the 70s, right? (No one gave a shit. They weren’t “cool” until the Assault Weapons Ban. Yeah, that didn’t work out so well…)

You know guns were far easier to get back then? LOL, I got an old Mossberg 500 (think classic 12-gauge pump) that was branded Revelation. They sold those at Western Auto stores.

It was no thing to see a dude with a loaded gun rack in his pickup. Point being, access is not the thing that changed.

And the rest of your post? On. The. Money.

ryathal ,

Current gun laws are pretty restricted compared to things that used to be allowed. The big one is mail order guns, you could just send a money order and get pretty much any semi-auto gun you wanted delivered to your house with no background check at all.

Full auto gums required a tax stamp since the 30s, and weren’t banned until 86.

cogman ,

As to that first point, you know we had AR-15s in the 70s, right?

The other 2 factors are important along with the internet. There may have been less legal barriers to getting an AR-15, that does not mean accomplishing such a task was easy to do. It’s not like there were AR-15 ads on TV or in newspapers (well, there may have been, but that would have been highly regional). It’s not like every city had an “AR-15” guy in the yellow pages. Legal access hasn’t changed, but general access has (particularly to assault rifles).

Regardless, my advocacy is first just starting with laws I think most everyone can agree with, red flag laws. Take away or don’t allow the purchase of guns by a domestic abusers or someone with a history of violence. Heck, you could even put a time limit on that stuff like “within the last 7 years”.

A ton of these cases are fairly young men (<20). So it would be enough to say “hey, if you are under 25 and your school teachers say ‘Do not let this kid in particular have a gun’” then you don’t get a gun until you turn 25. Or even an outright ban on ownership for people less than 25 (though that’d be much less popular).

statista.com/…/number-k-12-school-shootings-us-ag…

theodewere , (edited )
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too many scared assholes who love their guns more than anything else.. highly sensitive momma's boys in love with their guns, always ready to lose their shit..

endhits ,

Shit life syndrome. The difference is they turn their misery outwards instead of committing suicide.

gregorum , in Netanyahu snaps back against growing US criticism after being accused of losing his way on Gaza
cybervseas , in Alabama Republicans target transgender Space Camp employee

The South doesn’t deserve all the cool NASA stuff.

strawberry ,

lots of them dont, but the kids still definetly do

ramirezmike ,

Huntsville is actually a really cool area although you could argue it’s because the cool NASA stuff is there.

Neato ,
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That’s the only reason. It’s still in the shit hole that is Alabama. Crap like this just proves it.

Zorsith ,
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Same thing for most places with military bases, the only reason Dayton Ohio is even on the map is WPAFB.

homesweethomeMrL ,

How much does it cost to get in to see the . . . you know. winkwink

Zorsith ,
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The aliens are a hoax, but there’s some other neat stuff. Graffiti from nazi POWs at one point, whatever the museums got going on, underground tunnels that totally don’t lead to underground hangers, etc.

spyd3r ,
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Hangar 18 🤘🤘

WidowsFavoriteSon ,

Well, it’s also the birthplace of aviation, but whatever.

solarvector , in Double-swiping the rewards card led to free gas for months — and a felony theft charge

If she was rich, the response would be, “congratulations!”, and if she was an LLC it would be a fine of… 5 percent?

TubeTalkerX ,

0.5 percent.

Colonel_Panic_ ,

0.05 percent of net income.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod ,
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Oh look we paid our executives the same amount we made in profit so we have zero net income.

KoboldCoterie ,
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And if there had been an error that charged people more rather than made gas free, it would have required a multiple-year-long class action lawsuit to resolve whereupon affected individuals would have received a few cents in compensation and a few lawyers would have come away much richer.

BakerBagel ,

Yeah if it turned out my local gas station had been shorting 5% of every gallon for the past 3 years, I wouldn’t be getting back anything close to what they stole from me.

Sure this lady fucked up and took way too much free gas, but i have zero sympathy for the gas station.

partial_accumen , in Oregon man spiked smoothies for daughter's 12-year-old friends with sedatives, affidavit says

Burying the lede here:

"Eventually two parents went to Mayden’s home to get the other two girls, but Meyden was reluctant to let them leave, the affidavit said. "

The guy that drugged the girls didn’t want them to leave with their parents?!

xantoxis ,

I think he was expecting the benzos to wear off before parents had any chance to inspect their kids. They showed up too early, and the effects of the benzos would have been quite evident, and he’d be in a fuckload of trouble. Which is exactly what’s happening.

set_secret ,

benzos have a long half life, i think it’s like 3 day.

Fudoshin ,
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Diazepam, yes (~100hrs). Xanax, no(~5hrs). Clonazepam, mid(~20hrs)

macaro , in Lauren Boebert's son was arrested over a spate of thefts as his mom tries to convince voters to look past her chaotic family life

Boebert’s hypocritical “family values” family is the least surprising thing in this article. I’m more surprised that Colorado has a town called Rifle.

SkyezOpen ,

I’m more surprised he wasn’t shot while breaking into cars in a town called rifle. I’m sure she’d be totally fine with it if he was, right? Or is that only minorities that deserve death for theft?

rdyoung , (edited )

It won’t be long before whites are a minority in this country. So I guess then he would deserve death for even the smallest of infractions.

Did I really need to add /s?

ZeroCool , (edited )

Did I really need to add /s

Yes. Right wingers say that kind of thing earnestly all the time. Don’t expect people to give you the benefit of the doubt when you start in with ‘white replacement’ rhetoric.

rdyoung , (edited )

I get where you are coming from. I was speaking of demographic shifts that have been projected for years.

Oh and just like reddit, anyone who wants to use a little brain power could take 2 seconds and peruse my comment history. Nothing I’ve ever said would have me confused with a maggat.

Ah yes. Downvote legit conversation. This is how lemmy ends up looking like reddit or twitter. Lots of people will just stop contributing to the convo if this community as a whole isn’t capable of adult discourse.

Oh and unlike reddit, we can see who downvotes what on lemmy. Maybe I’ll start calling out the assholes as a way to kill time when I am bored.

ZeroCool ,

Are you done?

Sanguine ,

No one is taking the time to peruse your comment history lol… Just add the /s if you want to make a sarcastic joke 🙄

Krauerking ,

Oh my God this nonce again.

They have such a victim complex.
You aren’t contributing to the conversation my dude. You are making the conversation about you.

Omegamanthethird ,
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You seem like an alright person. Just a recommendation, now is a pretty good time for self reflection. Your comment didn’t sound at all sarcastic and there’s no reason for anyone to check your history. Just mark it with /s next time so we know.

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  • Ghostalmedia ,
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    Less to do with the mid west, and more to do with the Wild West. It’s an old ranching town.

    jqubed ,
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    There seem to be a lot of geographic locations named Rifle around there, but it looks like the name originated at Rifle Creek which got its name from someone finding a rifle along its banks in the 19th century. If Wikipedia can be believed, that is.

    UltraMagnus0001 ,

    I trust Wikipedia more than the news now.

    SeabassDan ,

    Like Pueblo, which is basically just a town called Town.

    John_McMurray ,

    I think people often misunderstand “family values” from redneck trash families. They’re not hypocrites, generally, in this. Teenagers being trashy happens regardless of parents political leanings, the real hypocrisy would be if they went to the abortion clinic. They usually don’t. It’d be a lot smarter, but then they’d have to change their views when confronted with the consequences, and that’s horribly hypocritical. Person should maybe really think things through before it’s convenenient.

    adhdplantdev , in After 2-year-old girl shoots self, man becomes first person charged under Michigan's gun storage law

    I do not understand how a parent can be so irresponsible as to leave a gun easily accessible in a house with children. Kids are really really resourceful. Its bit like keeping a hyper intelligent racoon inside with a drive to kill itself through curiosity. Guy definitely deserves charges

    EdibleFriend ,
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    Because a gun lock is liberal and gay and if you use one you basically are announcing to the world you just bought Beyoncé tickets.

    octopus_ink ,

    Man how fucked is this timeline that I had to scratch my head a bit over whether this was a sincere response or a caricature of a particular US demographic?

    https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/4fe41abe-7f9f-4676-83ec-1806fce1a15d.jpeg

    EdibleFriend ,
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    I wrote the goddamn thing and even then I was like holy shit that almost comes off sincere

    corsicanguppy , (edited )

    The sad thing is, in this timeline it isn’t out of place among the whackadoo things they’ve said.

    The hillbillies think Taylor Swift is part of a conspiracy to prevent electing their chosen dictator of all things. That’s where they are now. It isn’t like what you wrote is too far ahead on the road of crazy; more like it’s barely visible on the rearview.

    kautau ,

    The film idiocracy is almost a documentary at this point, we keep inching closer and closer

    thedenforum.com/…/95f66b45b601a0790bc34df2efc3948…

    S_204 ,

    A few weeks ago, a stud football player was being called gay by Conservatives because he had the audacity to date a woman over the age of 30.

    This is where we are as society. It’s fascinating.

    EdibleFriend ,
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    Fellas, is it gay to fuck women?

    Malfeasant ,
    tigeruppercut ,

    That at least I think came astroturfed from the billionaire think tanks who’ve been throwing anything they can at the wall to try to discredit Swift, who’s dangerous because she encourages voting. They know there’s nothing to really attack her on (except on stuff like using a jet too much and having expensive tickets, but those things can’t be criticized from the right), so they’re just barfing out anything they can.

    nutsack ,

    thanks for the meme kind stranger

    meco03211 ,

    “You wouldn’t wear a condom on your man weapon would ya? Why would you safely secure your firearm? Murica! Fuck yeah!” - probably some dumbass

    shalafi ,

    Know when you see a conservative meme and think, “Fuck they’re dumb. Nobody talks or thinks that way.”

    That’s you. Right now.

    EdibleFriend ,
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    Yep. It was an over the top joke about them.

    Mac ,

    Know when you see an ate-the-onion meme and think, “Fuck they’re dumb. Nobody would fall for that.”

    That’s you. Right now.

    MelodiousFunk ,
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    Dkarma ,

    Just like washing your ass.

    Frozengyro ,

    Or wiping

    catloaf ,

    A not guilty plea was entered Monday on behalf of Tolbert, who also faces one count each of felon in possession of a firearm, felon in possession of ammunition, lying to a peace officer in a violent crime investigation and four counts of felony firearm, Potbury said.

    He said Tolbert is barred from possessing firearms and ammunition because he has multiple firearms-related felony convictions and drug-related convictions.

    This guy is already not a winner. I was going to make a comment like “even with improper storage putting him in prison is going to hurt the family more than what’s already happened”, but given his record, going back to prison might be a net benefit for society. Hopefully any other kids in this family will have someone to take better care of them.

    lightnsfw ,

    First of all, I agree with you that guns should be locked up if there’s going to be kids/morons around them. I want to add that there’s also a responsibility if you have both guns and children in your house that you should be teaching the children not to touch them (this is probably a good idea even if you don’t have guns and live in the USA). DO NOT TOUCH THE GUNS was drilled into me and my siblings for longer than I can remember. My grandfather kept a rack of long guns in the back bedroom of their house where we would sometimes play as kids and none of use ever even looked at them for more than a few seconds without somebody being like “don’t touch those”. I do consider that to be irresponsible as fuck but my point is education would certainly help prevent injuries if a kid did happen to get access to a gun.

    adhdplantdev ,

    I mean I completely agree with you and that is definitely a rule in my house however if a parent can’t be bothered to lock up their gun I’m not entirely sure they’re going to bother teaching their kid not to touch the gun.

    lightnsfw ,

    Yeah, unfortunately the common trends with gun violence are morons, criminals, and crazy people. All of which are a much bigger problem to solve.

    boogetyboo ,
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    I do not understand how a parent can be so irresponsible as to keep a weapon designed only to maim or kill in their house with their children.

    corsicanguppy ,

    The farther you get from America, the more woefully absurd it sounds. But, right in the middle of America, it’s a very different place.

    And at this point in time, gun fetishism has gone meta-static and is afflicting many different states.

    And it’s not the possession of guns alone: I’ve seen the exposé where Switzerland’s gun culture is compared, and questions are asked about how they can have one gun per adult and still suffer an almost non-existent rate of accidents and murders. A lot of it resembles the 1950s where kids would be part of a school .22 target rifle team, store their guns and ammo on the premises and still no one got hurt.

    I really think it’s the worship of guns, where Meal Team 6 tries to emulate cowboys of old, and fails on every level.

    adhdplantdev ,

    Honestly I just think it’s irresponsible people. No proof but I have a hunch that Americans tend to be more laid-back with things like firearms than people in Switzerland might be. We used to be more careful but we got far too comfortable with them.

    lightnsfw ,

    I’m American and I can confirm. All the people I know who are really into guns treat them like toys. They may spout off the “3 rules” but it pretty much stops there. The whole attitude they have is just gross to me and so different from how I was raised to treat firearms.

    adhdplantdev ,

    I mean you can make the same argument about items like a bow and arrow, crossbows, and swords. There are valid reasons to have weapons in the house however they should be locked up so that they aren’t accessible normally.

    boogetyboo ,
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    What are valid reasons to keep something designed to maim and kill in your home?

    adhdplantdev , (edited )

    Target practice. Inherited heirlooms. Defense while camping. People find them cool. People keep guns for the same reason people keep swords. I understand that it is a tool designed for killing but at the end of the day it is still a tool. Don’t get me wrong I’m still all for gun control but I do understand why people would want to keep a gun in their home. You don’t have to agree with it but you shouldn’t punish people who responsibly own firearms.

    boogetyboo ,
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    That’s the problem. I don’t think it’s possible to be responsible and own a firearm.

    I wouldn’t keep a tiger in my house. I don’t care if dad bequeathed it to me, or I totally have a lock on the door, or it’s ok, I’ve done a tiger training course. Why invite the risk? Because I really fucking like tigers? Fuck everyone else, I like tigers.

    Chip_Rat ,

    Do you drive a car?

    boogetyboo ,
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    A car can be used to maim and kill. But its main use is transport. Try again.

    EtherWhack ,
    @EtherWhack@lemmy.world avatar

    So, no disinfectants (chemicals intended to kill, just really small things) either?

    How about pets? A cat’s teeth and claws were designed to kill, as are a dog’s fangs …err canines

    boogetyboo ,
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    I mean you can be as obtuse as you like. If that comforts you.

    EtherWhack ,
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    As with you and your intransigency

    boogetyboo ,
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    It’s irrefutable what guns are for. I can’t change my mind on a fact.

    adhdplantdev ,

    Okay that’s interesting thought. See the difference in your example is that a tiger is a sentient being but you have no control over. If I got bequeathed a tiger I probably surrender that too. A gun is a tool which is easily contained. What’s the difference between keeping a firearm and a sword or a bow and arrow when there are also tools initially designed to kill/maime?

    boogetyboo ,
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    The control in both these examples comes from the human. Who should be smart enough not to keep weapons or tigers in a house. That decision is available to everyone. Unless your intention is to maim or kill. Then it makes sense.

    SupraMario ,

    This is just flat out dumb, none of my firearms have ever been used for violence. They’re in a safe, and not loaded, and all my ammo is in another part of the house. Just because you can’t fathom how it’s possible to be safe with something that’s dangerous, doesn’t mean they’re automatically dangerous by themselves. Do you lock up your kitchen knives? Or make sure your matches are separate from the box they come in?

    boogetyboo ,
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    Why do you have firearms?

    SupraMario ,

    Whole bunch of reasons.

    I own a farm for one, I hunt, I carry daily, it’s a right that should be exercised, I shoot competitively because it’s fun, I collect them as well, and I love mechanical things.

    And way more of us on the left are armed than you think, and more of us daily are becoming armed. I personally have gotten 4 of my left leaning friends to become firearm owners.

    adhdplantdev ,

    I see your mind is made up on this topic. You also haven’t addressed anything I have said. Good talk.

    boogetyboo ,
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    You giving up your guns?

    adhdplantdev ,

    No. Good luck on your crusade.

    lightnsfw ,

    Hunting, keeping destructive varmints off your property, self defense.

    boogetyboo ,
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    In the suburbs?

    lightnsfw ,

    Not everyone lives in the suburbs buddy and some suburbs are less policed than others.

    boogetyboo ,
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    So where are the stories of gun related death

    lightnsfw ,

    Do you mean geographically or are you asking for examples?

    Either way it really has nothing to do with the question of why someone would keep a gun in their home. There are people in the suburbs who hunt and there are suburbs that you can’t rely on police for protection. I grew up in one where home invasions and robberies were common.

    Carlo ,

    I don’t understand a parent that can plead not guilty after his daughter shoots herself with his gun. Like, whose fault is it, if not his? Just take responsibility for it.

    adhdplantdev ,

    I wouldn’t focus on his plea. He’s likely doing this on the advice of his lawyer to secure plea deal. Initial charges always very harsh and this is a pretty common tactic in American court. It’s like companies who won’t say “you’re sorry” because it opens them up to liability.

    EssentialCoffee ,

    It doesn’t take much to understand it. He’s from Flint. If you know the area, there’s a lot of reciprocal violence. He has previous offenses. It’s hard to get out. He probably knows plenty of people who’ve had loaded guns around their kids and nothing ever happened.

    Yes, he deserves the charges, but like, this isn’t some gentrified place. As a society, we really aren’t helping folks in depressed urban areas to get better lives either.

    Crikeste ,

    Because people who like guns are generally VERY stupid.

    FlyingSquid , in Texas deputies shoot woman mistaken for intruder, bodycam video shows
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    Holy fuck. I don’t usually watch these videos because I am pretty squeamish, but I did for some reason, and you don’t actually see the woman get shot.

    What you do see is two cops immediately empty their weapons’ entire clips the second they think they see a gun.

    Cowards. The lot of them.

    crossmr ,

    They didn't imagine the gun. The girlfriend confirms that she picked up her gun and went to the door. If the police are there and banging on the door, you don't pick up a gun and walk to the door in America.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Weird, I thought there was this thing called the second amendment that gun advocates always say is necessary to defend yourself against tyranny.

    Also, the cops yell, “DROP THE GUN!” and the start shooting. Immediately.

    Maybe don’t blame the victim for both exercising her right and for the cops not even giving her time to do what they tell her to do.

    crossmr ,

    The cops were responding to a call about a break-in and when they asked for someone to come to the door they showed up with a gun. The cops aren't going to sit there and wait for the person to start shooting at them. How disconnected do you have to be to think when the cops are banging on the door that it's a good idea to grab a gun and rock up to the door with absolutely no warning?

    Did she at any point identify herself to the police? Did she yell out 'I'm the home owner and I have a gun'?

    She might get a payout, but very unlikely that anything will happen to the cops given the situation.

    The right to bear arms is a lot like the right to free speech. It protects your right to do it, it doesn't protect you from the consequences.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    No, she did not defy the laws of time and space and announce that she had a gun or that she was a homeowner in the tiny space of time between getting off the couch and getting shot by police who tell her to drop the gun and don’t give her the time to drop it.

    it doesn’t protect you from the consequences.

    Consequences like police telling you to drop a gun and then shooting you the second the last syllable enters their mouth? Because, again, I’m not sure why you’re expecting her to defy the laws of time and space.

    Also, why on Earth you think identifying yourself and saying you have a gun would help her when they didn’t help Philando Castile, I don’t know. Feel free to explain it. Because Castile said it in the middle of the day where the cops could clearly see what was going on and he was still murdered. Sorry, not murdered, treated fairly by the cops. His very fair treatment for complying with everything the police asked of him and telling them he had a gun.

    Edit: Misremembered a detail.

    circuscritic ,

    Luckily home invaders and criminals never claim to be police when attempting to gain entry.

    Otherwise, that might mean you’re just a gigantic douchebag.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t even think that’s relevant. She was inside her home. The gun was her property. She had it legally. She should not have to announce that she is holding her legal property inside her own home, even if it is a gun.

    owen ,

    Exactly. This is TEXAS in AMERICA. She has the right to walk around her property with a personal firarm.

    TigrisMorte ,

    It's the second one.

    crossmr ,

    They broke a window to get into their place and a short time later someone showed up and banged on the door claiming to be police. There is also a giant window right there she could look out and see it's the police. Try to project less.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Funny that you keep ignoring the whole part where the police started shooting either right in the middle or just after telling her to drop her weapon, giving her no time to drop her weapon.

    crossmr ,

    I'm not ignoring that part. You're ignoring the part where she could have clearly identified the police through the window and realized that in today's climate it might not have been a good idea to carry a gun towards the police.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Ah, so the police were in the right because she did something that, again, was 100% legal, but was not a good idea in your opinion.

    Weird, because that doesn’t sound like something that makes the actions of the police defensible. At all.

    circuscritic ,

    You should consult ChatGPT before using terms you aren’t familiar with. Shit, a quick Google search could have showed you what projection actually is, and isn’t.

    starman2112 ,
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    The consequences, such as being executed by police for legally owning a gun

    🇺🇲GOD BLESS THE USA🇺🇲

    lntl ,

    shes alive

    starman2112 ,
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Ahh, it was just an attempted execution. That’s much better

    lntl ,

    they’re not very good marksmen. i think although both officers reloaded, only managed to land one bullet in the victims leg.

    it’s embarrassing for the police for many reasons

    starman2112 ,
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Makes you think, maybe if they’d dumped those mags at a range instead of into someone’s home, they could use fewer bullets overall. Then again, if they were properly trained, they would have actually killed this woman.

    What an awful situation, where it’s literally better for officers to be worse marksmen

    ripcord ,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    5 bullets in her leg and abdomen

    lntl ,

    thanks for the research/assist

    myplacedk ,

    The cops aren’t going to sit there and wait for the person to start shooting at them.

    That’s what they do in countries where non-criminals aren’t afraid of the police, and they seem to do much better both in terms of staying safe and keeping the citizens safe.

    HerbalGamer ,
    @HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

    more like “DRO-💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥!”

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    But this dude thinks she should have “just complied.”

    owen ,

    Bro. Clearly she should have used the Sands of Time to reverse as soon as the police made the “Dro” in “Drop your weapon”

    Restaldt ,

    She should have played jar of greed so she had a chance to pull such a card

    crossmr ,

    They specifically shot her because she came to the door with a gun. She could see them just as easily as they could see her. If she had time to pick up her gun and walk across the room she had time to yell out to them that she was the home owner. She also had time to see them and realize that approaching the cops with a firearm might not be the best idea.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Why should she have to announce that she was holding her legal property inside her own home?

    Why shouldn’t the police have given her time to drop her weapon when they told her to drop her weapon?

    crossmr ,

    You can't be this clueless.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Insulting me does not answer my questions. Please answer my questions:

    Why should she have to announce that she was holding her legal property inside her own home?

    Why shouldn’t the police have given her time to drop her weapon when they told her to drop her weapon?

    crossmr ,

    I'm not your educator, nor am I under any obligation to answer questions that fundamentally bad. Entitlement doesn't stop bullets.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    In other words, those are questions that, if you answered honestly, would undermine your whole argument that the police were justified.

    crossmr ,

    Not at all. And I just gave you your answer. Entitlement doesn't stop bullets, something you clearly struggle with.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I see, so your justification for the police shooting someone is that they shouldn’t feel entitled to not be shot.

    crossmr ,

    You have a choice. You can be right and dead. Or you can be alive and sort it out later.

    I never said that she deserved to be shot or that the cops were justified. I only explained why they shot her and why they're likely not to face any consequences for this. I gave no personal judgement. Here is the problem with people like you, you have absolutely no ability for nuance. Anyone who doesn't immediately cheerlead everything you say 100% must mean that they're 100% against you and should be attacked.

    it's funny because your behaviour embodies what you claim you're raging against.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Your words:

    They didn’t imagine the gun. The girlfriend confirms that she picked up her gun and went to the door. If the police are there and banging on the door, you don’t pick up a gun and walk to the door in America.

    Sure sounds like you’re justifying what they did to me.

    I gave no personal judgement.

    That’s ridiculous. This entire time, you’ve been judging her actions.

    Also, it’s pretty funny that you are complaining about being accused of judging people and then end your post by judging me.

    crossmr ,

    I'm not justifying, I'm giving helpful advice for anyone, like yourself, who struggles to grasp the realities of the world outside of your sheltered basement. It's pretty clear from this conversation that you have no real world experience at all, and I'd like you to be prepared for that eventual day when you do decide to go out there and see what's actually going on.

    Saying 'They shot her because she was carrying a gun' isn't justifying it, it's explaining why they shot her. There is no judgement there about it being wrong or right, it's an explanation of cause and effect.

    That’s ridiculous. This entire time, you’ve been judging her actions.

    Again no. I've been explaining the consequences of her actions. Let's try another example since you clearly have a bee in your bonnet over gun rights,

    Person A mouths off at Person B who then punches Person A in the face.

    You come in carrying on about freedom of speech and I point out 'Well the whole reason B punched A in the face is because they mouthed off'. This is not a justification, or a declaration that they were right for doing so. it's an explanation of what happened and why it happened. If you don't want to get punch in the face, don't mouth off. Pretty simple. Doesn't mean you deserve to get punch in the face, but mouth off certainly carries that risk.

    She didn't deserve to get shot, but in 2024 carrying a gun towards the police is a great way to get shot. She certainly had a right to carry the gun, but rights and entitlement doesn't stop bullets.

    It's very likely that if she'd not picked up the gun she wouldn't have been shot and she would have explained she forgot her keys and everyone would have gone on with their night. I'm perfectly within my rights to walk down the street at 3 am with a bag of cash waving it around and yelling at the top of my lungs how much cash I have and how it would be a shame if someone stole it. Do you think people would have a lot of sympathy for me if someone jumped me and stole the cash? How many people do you think would say 'what a dumbass' for doing that?

    This brings us back to nuance. We can call out poor choices and warn people against repeating that behaviour while still thinking what happened to them is bad and unjust.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You come in carrying on about freedom of speech

    Now that’s just a lie. This is all that I said in regards to the U.S. Constitution:

    Weird, I thought there was this thing called the second amendment that gun advocates always say is necessary to defend yourself against tyranny.

    I’m going to ignore the rest of your post because you decided insults and lies are the way to go forward.

    crossmr ,

    Now that’s just a lie. This is all that I said in regards to the U.S. Constitution:

    You've repeatedly posted the 'it's totally legal' claim.

    She was inside her home. The gun was her property. She had it legally

    she did something that, again, was 100% legal,

    she was holding her legal property inside her own home (posted that one twice)

    Your words.

    That's how we're playing this game isn't it?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You don’t actually know that second amendment is about the right to bear arms and the first amendment is about freedom of speech, do you?

    crossmr ,

    I'm aware they're different.

    Are you capable or parsing what you actually read?

    Let's try another example since you clearly have a bee in your bonnet over gun rights,

    Person A mouths off at Person B who then punches Person A in the face.

    You come in carrying on about freedom of speech

    This is called an example because you're clearly too wound up over gun rights, I thought I'd give you another example of a similar situation to see if you'd be capable of taking a step back and looking at something objectively. Thanks for answering that question though.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You’re lying again! And gaslighting! You said that I came in here talking about freedom of speech. That is a lie. You did. I never said anything once about freedom of speech.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f879ac27-8b6b-437e-b958-906f7fff3784.png

    Why you are gaslighting, I don’t know. I mean it’s not even very good gaslighting.

    crossmr ,

    Read the whole message which is quoted above. I clearly identified that scenario as an example to make a point to you. Good lord.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Well now I can see why you think it’s the woman’s fault that she got shot. You think it’s my fault that you weren’t clear too.

    It’s always the other person’s fault somehow.

    crossmr ,

    I was very clear. All you had to do was read up 1 line and your inability to do that is to claim that someone is gaslighting you. Get help.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Like I said, it’s always the other person’s fault.

    crossmr ,

    yes it's very clear that that is your position. You blame me because you failed to read the words in front of you. Here we see you trying to gaslight the blame onto me like it's my fault your reading comprehension failed. The hypocrisy and projection is really telling.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Yes. I understand that I think it’s my fault that you weren’t clear.

    crossmr ,

    What's more clear than:

    Let's try another example since you clearly have a bee in your bonnet over gun rights,

    Followed up by:

    Person A mouths off at Person B who then punches Person A in the face.

    At what point did you struggle to realize I'm not talking about the article? Was it the point where I said 'let's try another example' or the point where I described a made up situation that had nothing to do with what happened in the article?

    if you struggle this hard to follow basic discussions you might want to take a step back and have a long hard think about how you feel about a lot of issues. It's clear you have a comprehension issue and it's very likely that your opinions and positions are formed on clear misunderstandings.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Again, I realize that you think it’s my fault that you weren’t clear.

    What I don’t understand is why you feel repeatedly insulting me achieves anything. Especially when I have yet to reciprocate.

    crossmr ,

    I'm assuming you didn't answer that because answering it would show that you're either completely clueless or lying.

    Personal responsibility is a bitch. Try it out sometime. I'm not responsible for your inability to follow and understand basic words. That's on you. Maybe stop blaming others for all your failings.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I have no idea why you feel you have to be so hostile to strangers. Do you do this with strangers when you’re in the same room with them? Insult them and berate them? I doubt it.

    Apollo ,

    Are you fucking mental?

    magnusrufus ,

    If that’s what you really meant from the start and if you know that people struggle with nuance then why didn’t you say what you just said instead of insulting people?

    GentlemanLoser ,

    Wow you fucking muppet, answer the question or delete all your comments because you are making a fool of yourself in front of all these nice people

    ThunderWhiskers ,
    @ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world avatar

    Hard to answer questions when you have a mouthful of boot.

    Landless2029 ,

    The victims only heard banging and not the cops announcement.

    So she gets her gun to defend herself and answer the door.

    Cops see the gun through the window. Don’t announce they’re police. Scream to drop the gun and immediately empty their clips…

    crossmr ,

    The same window the victim could have looked out? The cops clearly identified themselves on the video.

    SwingingTheLamp ,

    Last year, there was a story on here about a homeowner who blasted a drunk college kid through the door of the house because the drunk kid thought it was his own house, and broke the window to unlock the door. And the homeowner faced no charges because it was self-defense. I lamented that this is the America we live in, where people just start blasting without trying anything else first, like turning on the porch light, or calling out. I got down-voted to hell by all the people who said they’d do the same to protect their families.

    What if it’d been the cops at the wrong house instead of a drunk college student?

    ThunderWhiskers ,
    @ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world avatar

    And if they had plugged a child with a toy gun in this circumstance your argument would be what? Go ahead. Try and say that never happens. I dare you.

    Walking to the front door of her home with a legally owned firearm does not excuse these officers from attempting to murder her.

    ryathal ,

    The police use flash bangs for children.

    Alexstarfire ,

    Cause only cops can say they are cops, right?

    FaceDeer ,
    @FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

    There's a law against impersonating cops, so surely no law-abiding home intruder is going to lie like that.

    ColeSloth ,

    To be fair, they did see a gun and it was after a break in, and they loudly yelled they were the Sherrifs department, with an open window nearby.

    The sheriff’s may not have made a correct choice, but if I were in their shoes shoes while standing outside the only exit after yelling I was a cop at an apartment that was just broken into and saw a person going up to the door without turning the lights on with gun in hand I would sure as heck be thinking this person is about to start shooting their way past us.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Your argument would work if they hadn’t yelled to drop the weapon and started shooting in the middle of it.

    Taleya ,

    No.

    ReluctantMuskrat ,

    She didn’t point it at them… they weren’t in danger. People are allowed to have guns in their own home… she did nothing wrong.

    Given how these types of encounters keep working out, if I feel in danger when I see a cop with a gun coming to my house do I get to shoot him and say I felt threatened? If the cops did nothing wrong why can’t I do the same because clearly we are in danger when cops come to our house.

    Burn_The_Right , in Science fiction authors were excluded from awards for fear of offending China

    I really used to think highly of the Hugo Awards. Now I just see them as an empty scheme to make rich people richer. The Hugo awards should not be taken seriously at this point.

    deweydecibel ,

    No awards should if they’re connected to industry insiders.

    I’m legitimately flabbergasted every single year by the sheer number of people who think shit like the Oscars or the Emmy’s mean anything given the degree of bullshit that goes on behind the scenes, and some of it out in the open.

    They’re industry circle jerks for marketing and giving favors to friends. It’s insane we give them any credit at all. But if the Game Awards have proven anything, it’s that the only thing you need to make an award show “legitimate” is a lot of money to market it enough year after year.

    whoelectroplateuntil ,

    It’s amazing how often people are told, en masse, to like something or give it credence simply because it’s being marketed as something that they should like or trust, and they just sort of go along with it. Of course, if it didn’t work, the advertising/marketing industry wouldn’t be as big as it is…

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    “This is not a pipe”

    Deceptichum , in A loophole got him a free New York hotel stay for five years. Then he claimed to own the building
    @Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Guns and bullet proof shields?

    Fucking cops are overly dramatic.

    Kbobabob ,

    He could have had the pen used to sign the documents. Very dangerous

    argh_another_username ,

    The pen is mightier than the sword or something like that.

    AbidanYre ,

    Does it work, Trebeck? The penis mightier?

    Zorg ,
    @Zorg@lemmings.world avatar

    It’s all that warrior training bullshit. De-escalation is not prioritized, instead they are told anyone might be out to kill them, so they have to be ready to murder them first.

    xapr ,

    Did you see the body cam video released a couple of days ago of the Florida cop who went completely berserk when he heard an acorn hit his car? Definitely overly dramatic…

    Drusas , in No charges for New Mexico officers who knocked on wrong door before fatal shooting

    If the police are allowed to kill you simply for possessing a gun, you do not have a right to bare arms. They have violated your civil rights.

    SatanicNotMessianic ,

    bare arms

    Those aren’t the type of guns we’re talking about…

    tooclose104 ,
    @tooclose104@lemmy.ca avatar

    💪

    Drusas ,

    Hah, I'll leave it.

    Draedron ,

    Did the wrong thing to arrive on a good thing then.

    Drusas ,

    Killing someone for owning a gun is a good thing? Jesus fucking Christ.

    helenslunch ,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    You don’t get killed for “simply possessing a gun”, you get killed for brandishing one in front of police.

    Drusas ,

    Having a gun on your person while opening the door is not brandishing. Also, there are countless other examples of people getting shot by the police simply for possessing a weapon.

    There is also zero reason to believe that this man was aware the people at his house were police.

    helenslunch ,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    Having a gun on your person while opening the door is not brandishing.

    Yes it is.

    there are countless other examples of people getting shot by the police simply for possessing a weapon.

    I’m referring to the incident in the OP.

    There is also zero reason to believe that this man was aware the people at his house were police.

    I mean there’s 1 reason: they were police. If the man failed to investigate before opening the door while brandishing a firearm, that’s on him.

    But as I’ve already stated, it doesn’t matter if he knew or not, really.

    Drusas ,

    You should look up the definition of brandishing because you are incorrect.

    Who the fuck "investigates" before opening their door? Basically nobody aside from looking out a peephole.

    helenslunch ,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    You should look up the definition of brandishing because you are incorrect.

    Who the fuck “investigates” before opening their door?

    Any sensible person, but especially people who open doors WITH FUCKING GUNS IN THEIR FUCKING HANDS.

    Drusas ,

    Having a gun in your hand is not brandishing. You have to wave or aim it in a threatening manner for it to be brandishing.

    helenslunch , (edited )
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    You do not have to wave or aim it in a threatening manner for it to be brandishing. It doesn’t even have to be in your hand. Stop looking up legal definitions on Merriam Webster.

    The term “brandish” means, with respect to a firearm, to display all or part of the firearm, or otherwise make the presence of the firearm known to another person, in order to intimidate that person, regardless of whether the firearm is directly visible to that person. 18 U.S.C. § 924©(4).

    Drusas ,

    'in order to intimidate that person'

    This case does not include that.

    helenslunch ,
    @helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

    Oh my God, is there no end to the mental gymnastics? What do you think someone’s intention is when they open the door with a gun in their hand? Were they using it as a fucking door handle?

    Seriously dude, it’s okay to be wrong sometimes. Just give it up.

    Drusas ,

    That's funny since it's what I think of you and your argument.

    It's okay to disagree sometimes, dude. Figure it out and let it go.

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