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YoungLiars , in Every single Onewheel is being recalled after four deaths

Loose definition of a recall. Newer models are getting a software update. Older models are told to be thrown in the bin and get $100 credits to buy a new one

For early adopters, however, the CPSC and Future Motion are telling owners to stop using and discard the original Onewheel and Onewheel Plus.

For early adopters, however, owners can receive a “pro-rated credit of $100 to the purchase of a new board,” according to Mudd. The credit will only be issued after owners confirm that they have disposed of the old model.

Kbobabob ,

$100!? LMAO, ok. That’ll fix ya right up. And it’s a credit so basically useless unless you buy their crap.

bobs_monkey ,

Especially considering the lowest price model is $1050 before tax

flatpandisk ,

FFS that is crazy expensive

bobs_monkey ,

To be fair, they are pretty cool. I dunno about $1k cool, but still nifty.

Mac ,

Not as cool as an old cheap motorcycle, imo.

bobs_monkey ,

That’s assuming cool old cheap motorcycle doesn’t have issues lol. My brother picked up a Honda CB450 years ago for about $700, and that thing had nothing but problems.

nilloc ,

Fixing them is half the fun (maybe more for me).

bobs_monkey ,

Oh absolutely agreed, if it’s bought for that purpose. My brother bought his for a primary mode of transportation to save money on gas, and yeah that didn’t exactly pan out lol

flatpandisk ,

I agree they are cool but starting at $1k…not that cool.

I have rode them a few times but feels like $400 device to me.

Not_mikey ,

Depends, as a toy, yes, as a means of transportation, not really. I live in a dense city so it’s my main means of transport, cheaper than a car, and even bikes once you consider how often they get stolen, at least in my city. With a one wheel you can just carry it inside and not have to worry about some guy taking it.

Not worth my life though, hopefully this update fixes things.

NikkiDimes ,

Not worth my life though, hopefully this update fixes things.

The problem is only if you’re being reckless and pushing through pushback. Can a car manufacturer be blamed for a death is someone crashes their car after losing control while driving 120mph with no seatbelt? Seems like a user error to me.

flatpandisk ,

That makes sense, I was only looking at them as a toy. What do you think of electric scooter? Far cheaper and I feel some what safer?

Not_mikey ,

Yeah, they are definitely safer and easier to ride. It’s just what do you do when you get to the destination? For a one wheel or skateboard you can just bring it inside the store and carry it around, or stash it under the table at a restaurant or the seat on a bus/train. Sometimes I’ll even hide it in some bushes at the park since it’s so small and unnoticeable. For a scooter they usually won’t let you bring it inside a store or onto a bus/train, and I don’t trust locking it up outside since I’m in a city with a lot of bike theft. If that’s less of a problem then a scooter might be the way to go.

flatpandisk ,

Ah good point. I just got a scooter and was amazing how tiny it folds up. I didn’t think there would be an issue with taking it inside. Been a while since I held a one wheel but don’t remember them being tiny either.

Maajmaaj ,
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An official fender costs $63. Future Motion remains on their bullshit no matter what 😂

masterspace ,

I mean car recalls often don’t have the cars go fully back to the manufacturer, just to a dealer to have the part fixed or firmware updated.

For XR users they are flat out saying not to use your board until the firmware comes out, and for everyone else they’re saying not to use them until you can update the firmware.

Honestly it’s a little shady that the CPSC let them avoid issuing a recall until a firmware update was ready, but it sounds like they would have forced them to fully recall all models if they hadn’t been able to come up with haptic feedback.

StarkillerX42 ,

$100 off of a $2000 replacement, the rest of which will have to be done out of pocket. “We’re down with offering a recall, but we had to make sure it lines our C-suite’s pockets first.”

douglasg14b ,
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And you wouldn’t even want wanted to replace them either because they’re completely unserviceable with digitally locked parts and a board that will brick itself if you disconnect the battery to do any sort of service.

They come out of the factory as e-waste.

iAmTheTot ,
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Newer models are getting a software update.

That doesn't exclude it from being a recall though?

NikkiDimes ,

Tell that to the NHTSA with Tesla lol

solariplex , in Several injured after UAW strikers hit by vehicle

So sad seeing people hurt others who’re just trying to get their fair share and make a slightly better life for themselves and their family

Defarious ,

propaganda is a hell of a drug.

ArchmageAzor , in Girl, 13, gives birth after she was raped and denied abortion in Mississippi
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Of course, now that the baby is out the pro-lifers say that they can both go die in a ditch

twoshoes ,

The unborn are a convenient group to advocate for

Saneless ,

Literally have to do nothing other than talk

curious_illusions , in Georgia prosecutors have messages showing Trump's team is behind voting system breach

They are so mad they cheated and still lost. This country is going to take so long to heal after this. It really makes me sad.

originalucifer ,
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its amazing how much back and forth happens the richer you are in the legal system. one woman accidentally voted twice, straight to jail.

donald trump indicted 3 times, and god knows how many other terrible things . days in jail : 0

2 sets of laws. which one do you think you fall under?

newthrowaway20 ,

One could afford bail of course. Because we let rich criminals buy their way out of sitting in jail.

SoylentBlake ,

When those whom society rewards don’t respect the law

No one will respect the law.

snooggums ,
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Trump hasn't even needed to pay bail yet.

gressen ,

Is Trump rich though?

Alexstarfire ,

Are we asking him or the IRS?

Boddhisatva ,

If he wasn’t before he was elected, he certainly is now. He put personal profit ahead of absolutely everything while he was President. The grift is strong with this one.

4am ,

She didn’t even accidentally vote twice, she was sentenced to 8 years for the crime of completing a provisional ballot while the state figured out if she was eligible to vote or not.

Silverseren ,

Which is what she specifically asked about and was told to do by the voting officials.

onionbaggage ,

Days in jail: 0. So far.

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  • SoylentBlake ,

    I mean, I don’t disagree with your sentiment but Ive some pretty big reservations. Everywhere in your essay you say America you can sub in NATO, Japan and the rest of the Five Eyes. We’re all implicit. It’s been a coalition of the willing. There’s guilt all around.

    That said;

    For some, Pax Americana has been a blessing. For most, actually. Billions out of poverty, the most peaceful time to have ever existed, still, today, even with anachronistic territorial war, and crimes of desperation increasing. As of now, 8/23, 86% of the world owns a smart phone. That’s 6.9 billion people.

    Thats a long way. I never thought I’d see the day, honestly, where the whole world is online. I just might yet…!

    But we’ve blazed quite the path, thru our atmosphere into space and just our atmosphere in general, and we’ll be dealing with that for generations to come.

    And as unfortunate as it is, that’s how society has always been built. Recklessly. We strive for better as a species, I consider this a feature not a flaw, but then it makes a mess cuz we don’t know what we dont know, then some of us go big brain, figure it out, fix it or we adapt. It’s endemic. Cultural heros journey.

    But yo, if America splits, there will never be peace on the North America continent ever again. America is OP because we span the distance and bridges the gap. We got a dozen deep water ports where other, major, players maybe have one. Other countries have riverS. We essentially got like, One. But it’s navigable, stretches DEEEEEEEP into almost the entire interior. And we’re resource independent.

    The idiots who think we’d be better off breaking up deserve their genetics removed from the gene pool so the collective IQ isn’t drug further down by their idiocy. We’re like a giant Madagascar, who folds that hand?

    At the same time, id mourn none if it fell. I think we need to federate regionally, and reduce the current fed government down to a combined armed forces and a round table or presidents, not a single one. Fucking Cascadia Unite (Canadas barely holding their shit together too, BC would totally be down).

    Shit id get behind giving the cosplaytriots, err, I mean, fascists, err, I mean republi…no, fascists is more accurate. (Republicans know as much about Republicanism as they know about their bible, which is jack.fucking.shit) the south too, no need to secede! Name it Kekistan, forcibly send them all there, and let them build their wall. Fucking we should volunteer to pay for it for them, just to make sure it’s more DMZ and less Y’all Quida Convoy tail gating and shooting at sharpie hurricanes.

    Wall off their Internet too, like the Mormons in heaven.

    But in reality, the problems you speak of, and our inability to address them aren’t due to culture, it’s due to capitalism. Every capitalist country is teetering on the brink right now, because with nothing to keep it humble (like comparing itself to the Soviet Union) capitalism went from a more mixed economy to neoliberalism, which is the rich, generally under the legal catfish called a corporation, cannabalizing any and all value from the world.

    Rage is justified. Both sides are in agreement that the upper crust needs to be cut off. Ain’t no war but the class war.

    TheDubh ,

    I feel like you have a poor understanding of a lot that you talk about. So let’s just focus on the current politics and if America can heal.

    This issue isn’t a east coast vs west coast thing. This is a rural vs urban issue. That’s reflected in voting in major cities vs rural areas of the same states. For that America isn’t the only place suffering from this issue. It’s why you can see fascism in general on the rise in a lot of countries. The same reason it has always worked, really. It makes life easier to blame someone/anyone else for issues. Which is the lifeblood of fascism.

    It’s not that young people are leaving rural areas because they feel like there’s limited opportunity, but it’s the liberals corrupting them. It’s not that their industry is dying, but people in the cities are attacking them. It’s not that pay is poor and the work is hard so people will look for other jobs, it’s migrants/lazy workers/greedy people wanting more.

    Fascism is able to latch onto these and say we’ll punish the X so that your issues go away, and once they’re gone life will be perfect. Oh X wasn’t the issue, well it’s really Y, and so on. All that’s ever needed is the correct person to stand up saying elect me and I’ll punish the X,Y,Z and it’ll make us better again, but always tends to ignore/help the real issue.

    We need to increase opportunities in the rural areas, there will still be push back but it’ll help the pain of people leaving and industries dying. Need to raise working standards so immigrants aren’t abused, but also may attract other people. That way it can’t be so easy to blame them. And need to fix where wealth is leaving well nearly everyone. A poor town stays poor if most of the goods and services are imported and the people providing them don’t reinvest into the area.

    All of that is still a simplification, but as I said these issues aren’t local to the US. It’s just consuming mostly US news it’s easy to miss other countries struggling with the same issues.

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  • magnusrufus ,

    So if you acknowledge that it’s a rural versus urban issue and not a geographic East versus West issue then how does splitting the country up into two or three other countries help?

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  • magnusrufus ,

    This might be because you are not clearly conveying what you mean. You brought up east vs west and north vs south but didn’t really say in what they don’t understand each other. You should consider taking the hostility down a notch.

    sndmn ,

    Do you even own a compass?

    markr ,

    The actual ‘rural’ population of the us represents 18% of the population. So the theory that ‘rural vs urban’ is the defining demographic of the political division in this country has a math problem.

    Dark_Arc ,
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    If it wasn’t for the electoral collage and the house being locked at 435 seats… I think this would be a more compelling argument.

    I live in Ohio, there were 647,284 votes for Joe Biden that were invalidated because there were 713,546 votes for Trump. There are an estimated 12 million people living in Ohio. That’s less than 2 million votes.

    It’s not “rural” vs “urban”, it’s “rural voters” vs “urban voters” plus all the other stuff. If we went off popular vote, we never would’ve had a Trump presidency; Clinton won by almost 3 million votes.

    nxdefiant ,

    The US is already 50 countries. The states have an incredible amount of power over their citizens. They’ve always been a confederation. States engage in trade wars with each other. California, for example, has used its massive economy to influence interstate trade and declare de facto federal laws on several occasions. We have expiration dates because of New Jersey. Some counties entire economy relies on sales to people from neighboring states where certain goods are banned. Texas, infamously, has its own electrical grid and throws a tantrum about seceding every few decades. Utah is one pair of magic underwear away from being a theocracy.

    The states have factions and inter state pacts. The thing you’re missing is that constantly fighting with each other is what keeps them together. The US was never and will likely never be a homogeneous culture, and the people who founded it knew that, and encoded laws in such a way as to use that conflict as a source of opposing-force balance.

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  • nxdefiant ,

    Everything you said was sophomoric garbage masquerading as informed thought. I gave it far more attention than it was worth, and I’ve given you far greater time than you deserve.

    galaxies_collide ,

    Can we heal though?

    Kecessa ,

    The only way the US heals is by splitting up in multiple countries.

    yippeekyay ,

    The only way the US heals is by splitting up in multiple countries.

    FTFY

    snooggums ,
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    We haven't healed from the fucking Civil War. Why would we heal from anything more recent?

    curious_illusions ,

    Feels bad man

    dangblingus , in TikToker who debunked Jason Aldean's 'Try That in a Small Town' video receives racist, violent hate mail

    Newsflash: unironically listening to modern country like Jason Aldean or any other arena country act, makes you an idiot. It’s a bad song, with bad lyrics, with bad music, sung by a millionaire larping as working class. Everything about Country is a lie.

    SymphonicResonance ,
    @SymphonicResonance@lemmy.world avatar

    Everything about Country is a lie.

    What about Swedish horror country?

    Wooky ,

    I love this band so much!

    orbitz ,

    I wouldn’t go far enough to say that for the reason that enjoying the instrumentals (unsure if the correct word, but I mean the melody from non-vocal sounds) is a personal taste. Most people don’t care for my taste which is mostly electronica genres not much lyrics usually, but to each their own.

    Personally country music sounds like nails on a chalkboard but I wouldn’t ever say enjoying a certain sound makes someone an idiot. I have read about this story and as a whole it does sound like someone scoring points on an ignorant (and false) view that I have no interest in checking out, for more reasons than just being country and annoying to personally listen to.

    abbiistabbii ,
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    Modern Pop country can go to hell. Want to listen to country, go look up Bluegrass or Folk Punk.

    littlebluespark ,
    @littlebluespark@lemmy.world avatar

    Or, you know, discover the roots of it all and actually come to recognize that modern music was largely ripped off non-white artists. 🤷🏼‍♂️

    Fazoo ,
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    Depends on what you listen to. You’d be hard pressed to claim something like power metal, or folk metal to go further, has much of any roots in Black rock, beyond a long trail of this guy did a thing, which lead to another thing, and several artistic choices later you get the very basic foundation of metal itself.

    A lot of those genres base their inspiration in folk music of Nordic and Euro origin, and the fantasy elements being just as local or more Tolkien in nature.

    Saying modern music all distills down to ripping off black guitarists of the early 1900s is, at this point, an assinine discussion to hold. There is so much nuance, creativity, and departure from the norm in all the decades to follow.

    GladiusB ,
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    Agreed. You can go to the artists in the early 1900s and find connections. Even the 1950s and they admitted the took inspiration from non white artists. But today with the internet and everything being accessible I just don’t see it.

    Fazoo ,
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    Thank the gods for the internet when it comes to music. Mongolian throat singing got more attention then it would of, especially now with the Hu reviving interest after Tengger Cavalry brought it around in the 2000s. So much obscure goodness getting some main stream attention.

    contextual_somebody ,

    Not really.

    trellbrown23 ,
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    I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE bluegrass.

    Snowpix ,
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    Seems I need to broaden my folk punk knowledge, all of the stuff I’ve listened to is more ska punk-adjacent, like Syke! Life Is Awesome by BTMI.

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  • I_Fart_Glitter ,

    I’ve been trying to comb through (haha) why I’m so annoyed with the fact that Luke Combs just released a cover of Tracy Chapman’s Fast Car. At first blush I just thought “God damn, what an appropriating prick.” I’ve always thought of it as kind of a feminist song, and since Tracy is Black, as an intersectional song. And here is some rich white country star singing it in a less good way and making mountains more money than she ever made on it.

    Intellectually, I know that there are instances where men are heavily burdened by becoming default caregivers of ailing parents, but it falls on women much more often.

    I realized it is a bit sexist of me that it rubs me the wrong way for a man to complain about financially supporting his female partner who refuses to work, and it feels like an empowering feminist notion when a woman has had enough of the same and moves out on her own because of it. I guess that’s a pretty backwards thinking on my part.

    But also, when he sings, he sounds like he’s constipated and trying to poop.

    1847953620 ,

    It bothers me that the original is much better and his just sounds lifeless and generic af. Like the videos of taking pitch correction to a bunch of classics and making them dull and ruined.

    RavenFellBlade ,
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    That was a scarecrow.

    ProtonEvoker ,

    🎶I write songs for the people who do🎶 🎶Jobs in the towns that I’d never move to🎶

    Snowpix ,
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    I put my hands on your body… it feels like hay, IT’S THE FUCKING SCARECROW AGAIN!

    AFC1886VCC , in JK Rowling falls silent as she could be prosecuted in Imane Khelif lawsuit

    She’s a bully. It’s time she actually faced consequences for her actions.

    sorrybookbroke , in A teen was falling asleep during a courtroom field trip. She ended up in cuffs and jail clothes

    Don’t worry guys, the judge offered to be that girl’s mentor. Asked her parents and all, so he sees no problem with this usage of power. You can absolutely trust him to be alone with a child and “teach her right”

    Reverendender ,

    I was so worried!

    Dead_or_Alive ,

    That’s the most infuriating part of this story for me. If a judge did that to my child and then offered to mentor them, I’d be redoubling my effort to get them disbarred or worse.

    Lemminary , in MyPillow Man Mike Lindell Ordered to Pay Legal Fees for Guy Who Proved Him Wrong at ‘Prove Mike Wrong’ Event

    TL;DR

    “Prove Mike Wrong” offered $5 million to any willing and able cyber professional who could demonstrate that Lindell was wrong about the election being co-opted by Chinese hackers working on behalf of the Biden campaign.

    in addition to having to pay a guy […] $5 million […], Lindell will now have to pay some of that guy’s attorneys fees, which were incurred in court.

    Did nobody proofread this article? The writing is so convoluted. Run it through ChatGPT at the very least, good god.

    unexposedhazard ,

    The only things is the use of “guy” but apart from that i dont see anything wrong with that section.

    Eiim ,

    Here’s the full quote:

    Case in point: in addition to having to pay a guy who he bet $5 million couldn’t prove him wrong $5 million after that guy proved him wrong, and after he went to court to try to avoid paying the money, Lindell will now have to pay some of that guy’s attorneys fees, which were incurred in court.

    There’s nothing technically wrong with it, it’s just really awkwardly worded.

    acockworkorange ,

    The only thing wrong with this is the person writing it should never be allowed to write professionally ever again.

    zalgotext ,

    Yeah this reads like the slack messages I send to my work friends

    unexposedhazard ,

    Yeah ok i agree. The full quote is borderline unreadable.

    Reality_Suit , in What can a city do when neo-Nazis start marching down its streets?

    If you punch a nazi, and you get two friends to punch a nazi and then they get two friends to punch nazis, before you know it, everyone is punching nazis.

    CaptainKickass ,

    My favorite shampoo commercial, even better

    FenrirIII ,
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    You can’t go around punching cops.

    Enkrod ,

    You’re not allowed to, but you definitely can.

    Silentiea ,
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    Not for very long, unfortunately

    FlyingSquid , in Republican attacks on Kamala Harris to get ‘as ugly and bigoted as they can’
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    Good. The uglier they get, the more people will be turned off. Plenty of people who are racist but don’t consider themselves to be racist do not like the overt racists.

    dogsnest ,
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    already has all the bigots and racists.

    Doubling the shit won’t attract more maggots.

    lolcatnip , (edited )

    My dad is almost one of the the people FlyingSquid talking about; he’s a Democrat and kind of racist, but he doesn’t see himself as a racist. Someone like a more Republican version of my dad might be persuaded to vote for Harris, or at least not vote for Trump, if the Trump campaign gets too nasty.

    Don’t forget that magats aren’t the only people who would potentially vote for Trump; a lot of people are swing voters who, for some reason, have a hard time deciding who to vote for. Neither candidate can win without appealing to a majority of those voters.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Yep. My grandmother, born in the first decade of the 20th century, had some pretty racist ideas. But when she lived in the UK, she always voted Labour and when she emigrated to the U.S. and became a citizen, she always voted Democrat. And she died before Obama was elected, but I have no doubt she would have voted for Obama even if she had pretty obvious racist issues with her black next-door neighbor.

    Reminds me of the story going around during the 2008 election about the canvasser in the south being told by a white person, “we’re voting for the n-!”

    Nougat ,

    Reminds me of the story going around during the 2008 election about the canvasser in the south being told by a white person, "we're voting for the n-!"

    Canvasser: "... Okay!"

    assassin_aragorn ,

    “I… I guess that… I’ll just mark it down as a win and move on”

    glockenspiel ,

    I have family that are similar. I wouldn’t classify them as racist, but they straddle that line with opinions. I’ve never seen or heard them classify an entire group of people or act discriminatory in person. It is more along the lines of “everyone is equal and nobody should get special treatment” regarding things like affirmative action or the more extreme DEI practices of some companies.

    My experience is such that these people can be reached if we keep the lines of communication open rather than do the easy thing of cutting them off. I’ve been able to use their own logic and verbiage (especially verbiage) against them but one can’t go in guns blazing. To change minds, it must feel like their idea. Turn the heat up slowly and introduce doubt and ideas.

    My big take away, with people like I described above, is that they are reacting to the more extreme people who would feel right at home in the racist far right if things were just a tad different. Cultural warriors and grievance politics leaders are cancerous regardless of which side of the spectrum they occupy because their goal remains the same: divide the normal people and turn us against each other.

    And judging by what happens in my extended family and how it is breaking down on political lines… it is sadly working.

    cybervseas ,

    more extreme DEI practices of some companies

    Could you share some companies or practices you know of that were extreme? I ask not as a challenge but to learn more.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    MAGA are going to vote for Trump regardless. They’re also only 30% of the country, so he needs more than them to win.

    I’m not sure why so many people don’t get that and say things like this.

    disguy_ovahea ,

    Despite what many believe on Lemmy, there are also people who only vote Republican for financial reasons and try to ignore the racism and bigotry of the party. I personally know a few that intend to abstain in the fall now.

    someguy3 ,

    These are the people that need to see what the GOP actually is. Take the whole mask off GOP, do it.

    Infynis ,
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    It’s about the table full of Nazis

    Carrolade ,

    Yep. Every once in awhile I like to watch some former Trump voters talk about why they won’t vote for him. It’s heartening:

    youtu.be/0-Rr8UhaZ9Y

    nilloc ,

    Careful a lot of them will still vote for him.

    [According to] Ange-Marie Hancock, director of the Kirwan Institute for the Study of Race and Ethnicity at The Ohio State University. She also happens to lead a group of scholars studying the current vice presidency. Their work is called the Kamala Harris Project…

    what’s interesting about how it impacts swing voters or independent voters is certainly on the surface, if you were to survey independent voters or swing voters, I bet you would get a strong majority who would say, we really don’t like that kind of language. We really don’t like the way in which he talks about women or talks about his opponents in that kind of way. The challenge of course, is that many political psychologists have found that even as we kind of consciously say, we don’t agree with it, it still ends up having a negative impact.”

    From Consider This from NPR: Kamala Harris already faces racism and sexism from Trump and Republicans, Jul 24, 2024 podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/…/id1503226625?i=10…

    There’s a deeper explanation in that (short) podcast in case anyone is curious.

    Carrolade , in Biden calls for justice after footage released of police killing Black woman

    Just glad they’re not messing around with this one, and went ahead with the three charges of first degree murder.

    Stovetop ,

    And wouldn’t you know it, it’s thanks to bodycam footage that we have irrefutable proof of this clear and unquestionably excessive use of force against an innocent victim.

    The bodycam footage that thousands of police departments throughout the US are still pushing back against because they want people to think it impedes their ability to appropriately deliver justice, when it is actually, finally, allowing justice to take place. The necessity of which was caused primarily by police brutality against people of color, just like this situation, where there was no witness account other than the cop’s side of the story.

    If this happened ten years ago, back before bodycams became more widespread, the cop would have gotten off with a short paid suspension and no other punishment, because all there would be is the cop’s one-sided account of how she clearly assaulted him with a deadly weapon and reached for his gun.

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    … You act as if cops don’t love bodycams too lol.

    Everyone but the people doing dumb shit loves accountability. Cops love that it gets bad apples out before they spoil anything too.

    nij.ojp.gov/…/body-worn-cameras-what-evidence-tel…

    TexasDrunk ,

    Cops love that it gets bad apples out before they spoil anything too.

    Too late!

    FlyingSquid ,
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    Dude, the bad apples spoiled things long before any of us were born.

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    That’s not really how churn works but okay.

    Unless by apples you mean society in general, because people are everywhere. But that’s more indicative of your bushel, not ours lol.

    FlyingSquid ,
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    No, I mean the police in general. Do you really not know how police were even worse to black people before the Civil Rights act?

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    … so… you’re in agreement with them lol?

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    How did you even come close to getting that from what I said?

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    It’s a hard time trying to understand what you’re even saying. You’re agreeing or even qualifying what I wrote, but replying in a tone like you’re not lol. It’s hard to take it seriously.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I am neither. I am telling you that there are no “few bad apples” to get out of the police because the whole thing is already rotten to the core and has been for a very long time since there’s never been reformation, just a few laws to stop some of the most egregious behavior.

    blanketswithsmallpox , (edited )

    So maybe you’re not familiar with churn then. Churn is the turn over rate for employees. I also think you misunderstand what reformation means, how long it takes, and that there’s no tipping point of when something is reformed or not. It wasn’t magically Roman Catholicism to Lutheranism after Luther penned the 95 Theses lol.

    1. You already said that civil rights have gotten better.
    2. You already agreed there are new laws and increased oversight regularly.
    3. Employees turn over as there is natural churn. Combined with churn from increased oversight and scrutiny preventing bad people or stopping heinous shit. You also have lawsuits and criminal proceedings to get rid of bad police.
    4. How do you propose 1 works without 2 and 3? How do you posit that police aren’t better almost year by year if the entire bushel is spoiled?
    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    No, I said the civil rights laws exist, making the most egregious behavior harder to get away with.

    I’d tell you to ask George Floyd if things have gotten better. Or Breonna Taylor. Or Philando Castile. Or Sonya Massey. Except none of them can tell you anymore.

    There are no “good apple” cops. None.

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    No, I said the civil rights laws exist, making the most egregious behavior harder to get away with.

    … Again, that doesn’t make sense. Do the laws make their behavior better, yes or no?

    Because once again you’re saying they do, but somehow they’re not as well. Schrodinger’s ACAB.

    Here, have some literature about past, current, and future reformations and best practices. journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/…/0002716219889328

    Have some on churn: npr.org/…/cops-say-low-morale-and-department-scru…

    Police killings not being statistically higher or lower between 2013 and 2016: policebrutalitycenter.org/…/statistics/

    Police shootings of black people and unarmed lowering in 2020: vox.com/…/police-killing-statistics-african-ameri…

    Little hard data to show that policing hasn’t improved since the civil rights era but I have a hard time believing differently: smithsonianmag.com/…/long-painful-history-police-…

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You’re showing how they’re all bad apples and you don’t even realize it.

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    No, it just sounds like you’re only useful to certain people lol.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m not useful to anyone. Why are you making this about me when it’s about cops?

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    It was a joke about being a useful idiot lol.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Cool, there are still no good apple cops no matter what your insult “joke” was about.

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    So you don’t even understand how the spoiling ethylene analogy works lol.

    Either way, I hope you reflect today and stop making yourself useful to bad actors by sowing discord and division.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I wasn’t interested in your analogy. You take the ludicrous position that there being fewer crimes by racist cops has some meaning that there are somehow good cops now, not the fact that laws were absolutely necessary to stop their behavior. And it still didn’t stop it anywhere near as much as it should have. And if those laws were gone, it would go back to being as bad as it was.

    I don’t have to sow discord and division, we have an entire group of uniformed people in blue who do that just fine themselves when they do things like shoot an unarmed black woman in her home. You know, this event you seem hell-bent to use to tell us all about how there are good cops.

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    Oh I understand. It doesn’t make you not wrong both literally and metaphorically in one of the worst ways possible which is frustratingly sad in how it’s completely antithetical to your goal. But I understand.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You do know that just declaring someone to be wrong doesn’t make them wrong, right? You are not the arbiter of reality.

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    True. Sauce, logic, and objective reality is. Which I provided.

    You have provided anecdotal hogwash based on feels making reals just as brainwashed through doomscrolling media as some of the worst MAGA Republicans I’ve ever met.

    People can understand you. They can even agree heavily. That doesn’t make it true lol.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    You didn’t provide “objective reality.” You said that civil rights laws mean cops aren’t as racist anymore, which is hilarious, because if cops weren’t racist, *we wouldn’t have to keep using civil rights laws to hopefully punish them for killing black people.

    This seems to be a lot more about you excusing cops for killing black people.

    blanketswithsmallpox ,

    No, you’re blind to what you’re typing is all because you’re just not reading the replies. You’re arguing against a hypothetical person you’ve already made up in your mind with a gamut of very different things every time you reply but it’s okay.

    Nobody is arguing cops don’t kill black people at unacceptable rates nearly 2x higher than other races.

    Nobody is arguing there aren’t racist cops, or bad cops.

    You are arguing something completely different while not understanding the difference is a failure on your education system and multiple levels of failure at the local and government levels.

    It’d be pitiable if it wasn’t for reasons I’ve labored on ad nauseum about already.

    Trust me when I say everyone understands your position. It’s wrong. You trying to make up arguments other people aren’t saying is doing nothing but wasting both our times lol.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I have been saying the same thing I have been saying this entire time: There are no good apple cops. I have not wavered from this position. You have yet to show me anything that suggests otherwise. The closest you’ve gotten is that they’ve done less racist things than they used to.

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
    @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

    If I were a cop I’d be happy to have a body cam because it would help me cover my ass in case someone accused me of something.

    But this attitude is probably why I’m not a cop.

    BackOnMyBS ,
    @BackOnMyBS@lemmy.autism.place avatar

    I had a similar experience with something that Lemmy would generally oppose. I used to be concerned that Google kept track of my location and nearly everything I do on my phone. However, I was accused of something serious that typically cannot be disproven otherwise, and since it’s something perpetrators often get away with, people tend to believe the accuser without evidence. When that happened, I was so happy that Google had a record of my location because it would have demonstrated that I wasn’t where the accuser said I was, nor did I have the contact they said I had. I not only offered to show my location history to investigators, but asked them to so it would clear my name. I guess my sincerity was evident because they didn’t even bother and dropped the whole thing shortly after.

    I agree with you. If I were a cop, I’d want every second of my day indisputably recorded to clear my name in case I’m ever falsely accused of something. I don’t know what it is about me. Maybe my autistic traits make me seem suspicious or like a careless asshole to others, maybe my evident self-doubt make me an easy target for predators, or maybe my lack of conformity and unique style of accomplishing things give people an uncomfortable intuitive feeling about me, but I think I get accused/blamed for a lot of things I didn’t do or had any intent of doing more than normal. I know I would eventually be accused of some bs and would need evidence to demonstrate my innocence.

    Ferrous ,

    Are body cams really providing justice? Where is Sonya’s justice? Hailing body cams as the ultimate police reform is the type of thing I’d expect a cop to say. For people who have been experiencing this racist police violence for generations, it’s clear that body cams are at best a half measure, and at worst a means of documenting all of the brutal murders that pigs continue to carry out on innocent people while body cams are running. The answer isn’t in body cams, but in comprehensive police reform. So long as the pigs are running around with sus norse tattoos, toxic masculinity (“nah im good” -cop who just developed a tremor in has hand after holding in the brains of a gasping woman for 5 min), guaranteed firearms, no psychological training, gang support via departments, body cams aren’t really going to do shit to protect at-risk people.

    I am very critical of this ultra pro body cam discourse. It seems like a distraction. Make no mistake, there is no justice today because of the body cams present for Sonya’s execution.

    Stovetop ,

    I suppose the definition of justice is flexible, between preventative justice and restorative justice and so on, but in this case I am referring specifically to holding guilty people accountable for their actions. There will be no making right what happened here, not by any stretch of the imagination, and there is still a lot more work that needs to be done to make sure this sort of thing never happens again. But while I am sure it is of little consolation to Sonya’s family, her murderer is going to prison.

    I know there are long-standing charicatures in media of the “corrupt cop” type of character shooting some innocent person and then planting a knife or drugs on them to make it look like self-defense, but that wouldn’t exist if there wasn’t some grain of truth to it.

    With the body cam footage that had been released, there is no question of his guilt. There’s no way for the police to cover this up by painting another innocent victim as a criminal, dragging her name through the mud, just to keep this racist scumbag on payroll and free to keep terrorizing the people he’s supposed to protect. The racists don’t have to gather in droves to protect this monster and put a community through hell to further some disgusting agenda or another.

    It doesn’t fill the void, but it is some degree of justice which is better than none.

    tiefling ,

    Conservatives have been backing the cop, as expected, and trying to make her seem like a dangerous criminal

    xmunk ,

    But she picked up the pot… so she was just following orders! Conservatives love people who were just following orders!

    Yea, it’s fucking ridiculous. Hopefully it turns voters off Trump and we can get actual legislation in place to enforce body cam usage.

    snooggums , in After recent state law change, the only way to appeal an eviction in Tennessee is pay an entire year's rent upfront
    @snooggums@midwest.social avatar

    Some attorneys say it’s not practical, especially for tenants with overdue rent.

    You don’t say!

    Reverendender ,

    Only some

    deegeese ,

    Other attorneys are paid by landlords.

    xmunk , in Nearly half of 18-24-year-olds say they're 'not fully straight', survey finds

    This is no fucking surprise - sexuality is a spectrum and it’s rare to be at a full extreme of one of those. I’m glad this new generation will be less ashamed of themselves though!

    samus12345 , in Ex-Porsche Lawyer Sentenced After Throwing Her Newborn Out Window So It Wouldn't Disrupt Her Career
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar
    someguy3 ,

    Fuck dude.

    samus12345 ,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    I know, I’m awful. At least I had the decency to edit out the last panels.

    TheMightyCanuck ,
    @TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works avatar

    It makes the joke just that much more of an oof tho.

    10/10 my friend

    phx ,

    I think that makes it even better. Fucking dark, but still funny because we all knew right away what the last panel would look like were it there…

    Raptor_007 ,

    Ok I legitimately laughed at this. Well done, sir.

    needanke ,

    Please repost that as its own meme, this is gold!

    AeonFelis ,

    WDYM “its own meme”? Comedy is all about context, and this meme is only perfect because it’s in the context of this story.

    needanke ,

    Generally sure, but I think part of the context that makes this funny is the meme format itself, which is why I think it would also work without the context of this post.

    solsangraal , in Springfield IL woman who called sheriff's office over possible intruder killed by deputies, attorney says

    meanwhile, cops also say “oops pardon the intrusion mr white man assassin, please carry on” and climb back down the ladder

    rustyfish ,
    @rustyfish@lemmy.world avatar

    Is this a Hip Hop Hood reference?

    Edit: It just occurred to me that we are living in a stupid 90s comedy.

    unexposedhazard ,

    This a “first trump assassination attempt of 2024” reference

    rambling_lunatic ,

    first

    Don’t get my hopes up like that

    unexposedhazard ,

    Thanks for noticing :D

    Kalkaline ,
    @Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

    Just in case anyone else is wondering: allegedly a police officer confronted the shooter before the shots and when the shooter pointed the gun at him he retreated down the ladder instead of firing at the shooter.

    Delusional ,

    Cop was like “oh he gonna shoot trump. Carry on.”

    shani66 ,

    Honestly, non-zero chance he was the one good cop lol

    SeaJ ,

    I don’t blame the cop there. He has a gun already on him. Trying to pull his gun would have simply gotten him killed.

    catloaf ,

    Yeah, and that wouldn’t have helped the situation. Maybe the snipers would have taken him out after shooting the cop, instead of taking him out after shooting at Trump?

    The real big issue is about how apparently someone reported the guy like 30 minutes prior to the actual shooting, and apparently nobody cared.

    tocopherol , (edited )
    @tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Who is saying 30 minutes? I’ve only seen reports saying two or three minutes, I wouldn’t doubt that though.

    EDIT: new info has come out, it’s pretty absurd

    WoahWoah ,

    2-3 minutes on the roof with a gun. He was spotted with a backpack long before that, and he was also spotted using a rangefinder from the ground long before that.

    That’s part of the reason the cop was looking for him in the first place. That’s also why there is a cellphone picture of him on the ground taken before he climbed to the roof, which was taken by an officer that saw him using the rangefinder.

    Nobody ,

    The only thing that can stop a bad guy (read: minority) with a gun is a good guy (read: straight white male) with a gun.

    Kalkaline ,
    @Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

    Yeah that was a crazy story. With all the police militarization in this country you’d think they would have some training to go along with it.

    Omega_Man ,

    I once got sucked into a copaganda thing in Vegas. (I thought they had Tommy guns). The whole point was to put you on the officer’s shoes to make snap decisions to show why we need to be less critical of police when they kill civilians. I argued with her that this was why we need to increase training and job requirements. The guide did not like that.

    cheers_queers ,

    … what in the fresh 7 hells? how does putting a civilian in life or death simulations compare at all to a TRAINED “professional” doing what they literally signed up for? lmfao.

    Maggoty ,

    Fun fact, they hate it when a combat veteran comes through and uses military de-escalation ROE. It generally completely exposes them as forcing the scenario.

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