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PenisWenisGenius ,

People without kids are often discriminated against when it comes to raises and promotions. Maybe I should move to Germany. Or just grow a pair and lie, what’s stable diffusion for anyway.

Hegar ,

This just sounds like post partum depression to me.

seaQueue ,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

I’m surprised the FSB hasn’t scouted her already

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Well, that is mind-blowingly awful.

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

They don’t have birth control in Germany?

sunzu ,

Abortion.

qarbone ,

They don’t have adoption in Germany?

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

That too, but if I were this adamant about having kids, I’d make damn sure I don’t have one in the first place.

overload ,

Insane. I can’t imagine a woman doing that to her own newborn baby. Defenestrating a baby would also ruin her career, so I guess she has a lot of other things going into that decision.

Kalkaline ,
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It’s not a logical decision.

LouNeko ,

As fucked up as this is, there’s so little information given by this article that I can’t even form an opinion on it.

sunzu ,

Feels clickbait but it got me going for a minute haha

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

My current take is babies should not be thrown out of windows

Imprudent3449 ,

Sure that was my initial impression too, but I think I am going to sleep on it and maybe take some polls or study the matter more deeply. Can’t be too rash when judging someone for tossing a baby out of a window.

hardaysknight ,

Yeah, what if the baby was an asshole?

Naich ,
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We need to make it so women don’t have to feel this way…I thought Germany was fairly progressive like that, but obviously not enough.

Pothetato ,
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I mean sure but I think there’s a few extra steps between “feeling” this way and fucking doing it.

ASDraptor ,

I hope you’ll agree with me that there are alternatives before throwing your newborn baby off the window as if it was a fucking napkin.

Even abandoning it in front of a church is more humane than what this bitch did.

moody ,

Who throws napkins out the window?

Naich ,
@Naich@lemmings.world avatar

Yes, she’s obviously seriously disturbed, but the situation of women either having a career or family is the driver behind her actions. There needs to be systematic support so women can have the same opportunities as men.

revelrous ,

Don’t know this lady’s story. But post natal psychosis is a real tragic thing that can happen. This isnt the action of someone possessing their faculties.

Why when abortion is available would you carry to term -and then so impulsively act? If for whatever reason she didn’t want the baby and couldn’t get the abortion, she had months to come up with a better plan than ‘throw it out a window’. Either she was undiagnosed with something the whole time, or the birth triggered a psychological episode imo.

Kalkaline ,
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You can give someone access to all the help they need, but if they don’t seek it out, there’s not much you can do about it. It sounds like post partum depression may have played a role, that is real, but you can’t force someone into treatment.

ASDraptor ,

She threw the baby off the window 10 minutes after giving birth.

Kalkaline ,
@Kalkaline@leminal.space avatar

Spawn killer

passntrash ,

Interesting take. I wonder if the headline was:

“New Father and former Porsche Executive Throws Newborn Off Balcony”

Your first thoughts would be how the system failed him and that Germany needs to do more to support fathers.

Addv4 ,

So, I’m guessing abortion is banned or banned early in Germany?

FlowVoid ,

She claims she didn’t know she was pregnant.

FartsWithAnAccent ,
@FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world avatar

Did she not know about adoption either?

vxx , (edited )

It’s complicated. Basically it’s illegal, but there’s exceptions. The one exception that makes this law very weak, is that it isn’t illegal anymore if you got counseling at a place specialised for it.

Rape and medicinic reasons are also exceptions and counseling with the doctor is enough in that case.

It also has to happen in the first 90 days after getting pregnant.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

What the fuck

Finkler ,

Exactly…

FlowVoid ,

Sounds pretty awful, but remember that prosecutors don’t have ESP. So “prosecutors claim she didn’t want to jeopardize her career” is not the same as “she didn’t want to jeopardize her career”.

It’s not like she wrote in her diary “Today I killed my newborn because I thought it would interfere with work.”

Dud ,
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Yea I don’t think many are as focused on the motivation part as much as the lady defenestrating a fuckin baby.

FlowVoid ,

That’s fair. Pure unfounded speculation: I wonder if there was an element of post partum psychosis.

Ulvain ,

My guess: didn’t know she was pregnant until very late. Options were dwindling or nil. She was completely and insanely career obsessed and career-anxious.

Arrives the last month or two. Pregnancy is hard to ignore then, but it was probably daily terror and panic as she didn’t know what to do. She probably felt cornered, insane with anxiety and barely holding it together in a field that doesn’t give you any room for error.

By the time she has to deliver, her brain is likely already pure soup from the anxiety, obsessing with how she can’t handle it, how it can’t be happening, how she can’t be a mother, doesn’t want to be a mother, can’t - not doesn’t want to, but can’t! CAN’T you understand?! - stop to work.

So she delivers secretly. By this point she’s too far gone, mentally a complete mess, insane, unstable.

So she kills her newborn.

Not as a heinous premeditated act of hatred, violence and mischief, but as a completely insane act of post partum depression, psychosis, work related anxiety and sheer craziness.

She didn’t choke or shake the baby then dug a grave at night - she didn’t do some elaborate crime and elaborate body-hiding shenanigans.

She threw. The. Baby. Out. Her. Own. Window.

And she’s a lawyer.

There was no attempt whatsoever to not get caught or to act surreptitiously.

Just pure terror, psychosis and a horrible, tragic impulse that ended up terminating a new life and ruining another.

Sorry i got carried away lyrically lol.

coolteathatisgreen ,

" Hoech claimed Jovanovic was unaware of her pregnancy and overwhelmed by the sudden birth."
How can one unaware of her pregnancy until give birth ?

FlowVoid ,

It happens.

Burstar ,
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I know. I need eye bleach after reading that headline.

coolteathatisgreen ,

What the fuck I just read ?

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