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Biden calls for justice after footage released of police killing Black woman

Joe Biden has called on Congress to pass the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act, moments after shocking police video was released showing an Illinois officer fatally shooting Sonya Massey after she called police fearing a home intruder.

In his first public statement since dropping his bid for re-election, Biden said the shooting of Massey, a 36-year-old Black woman, by white Sangamon county sheriff’s deputy Sean Grayson, in her home in Springfield, after a dispute over a pot of boiling water, “reminds us that all too often Black Americans face fears for their safety in ways many of the rest of us do not”.

Biden, who is recovering from Covid at his home in Delaware, said Massey, “a beloved mother, friend, daughter and young Black woman … should be alive today”.

Infynis ,
@Infynis@midwest.social avatar

I legitimately forgot that he was still president lol

The ultimate lame duck

Nurse_Robot ,

Asking who the president is is a way we assess for a traumatic brain injury. Bragging that you don’t know who’s president is an interesting take.

Infynis ,
@Infynis@midwest.social avatar

If asked, I definitely would have gotten it right lol

What I meant to be commenting on, and I’m sorry this wasn’t clear, was that the news has been so focused on the campaign for so long, and for the past few days on Harris of course, that when I saw this headline, my immediate reaction was, “Why do we still care? He already withdrew.”

And then, instantly, “Oh, because he’s still the president. Right. Duh. Lmao,” which was what my comment was supposed to convey. Hopefully that makes sense now

yeahiknow3 ,

“Only someone running for president matters, not the actual president.”

Wat

Fedizen ,

theonion.com/news-happening-faster-than-man-can-g…

jordanlund ,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

For anyone wondering how this happens, please watch this, yeah, I know, it’s 30 minutes… I assure you it’s worth it.

NSFW language.

youtu.be/Wf4cea5oObY

The important bit:

youtu.be/Wf4cea5oObY#t=11m32s

SirDerpy ,

A TL;DW would likely get more views.

5oap10116 ,

Essentially: Cops are taught that everyone and everything is trying to kill them and anything that seems remotely dangerous is a lethal threat they need to “neutralize”. Also, as soon as you let your guard down, you’re dead. This leads to overreactions and unjust killings…

Now, that’s not entirely wrong as police frequently deal with higher levels of unknown dangers but in this case…holy shit wtf?

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

they are messing around with this

Biden made police reform part of his campaign promise

Nougat ,

Okay, so the officer orders her to take a pot of boiling water off the stove, and then shoots her in the face for doing so.

No wonder those charges came so fast.

TranscendentalEmpire ,

The crazy thing seemed fairly relaxed until she said she “rebuked him unto Jesus”. Seemed like it went from “haha I don’t want to be around a person carrying boiling water”, and she seemed to respond jokingly with the Jesus thing, which immediately made the cop respond as if she just pointed a gun at him?

Does this guy think this lady is some kind of biblical sorcerer?

Nougat ,

Does this guy think this lady is some kind of biblical sorcerer?

See my other comment about where Springfield, IL, is; it's not out of the question.

5oap10116 ,

Can’t wait for the defense being:

“She said she was going to ‘rebuke me in the name of Jesus’ and I felt my soul was in imminent danger from this woman and her boiling cauldron of witchcraft”

octopus_ink ,

pbs.org/…/watch-fund-the-police-biden-says-at-sta…

How quick will mainstream Dems forget about police reform after THIS election? It was already a weak point for Harris.

Everything we saw in 2020 and no (AFAICT) meaningful change.

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

The Republican candidate is a real policing iconoclast

verdantbanana ,
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

so that makes it okay for the Democrats to sit on it because that is way better than actively participating?

think we went through this with Germany already not just Nazis but the quiet people in power who never spoke up

Blackbeard ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

No Democrats are “sitting on it”. They passed a House bill in 2020 which Senate Republicans killed. They passed another in 2021 which died over disputes about qualified immunity and because Republicans objected to a national police misconduct database. Then Republicans took the House in 2022 and obviously weren’t going to pass it again.

Stop blaming Democrats for Republican intransigence.

octopus_ink ,

I haven’t so much as heard them talk about the issue in I don’t even know how long. (Aside from Biden saying we should give cops MORE funding) But now, 3ish months out from the election…

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@fedia.io avatar

Should they stop trying to do things as they approach an election?

octopus_ink ,

What are they trying to do? I see a soundbite. An empty platitude. D doesn’t have the votes. No one, including Biden, thinks this bill will now get passed because he made this statement.

Blackbeard ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

And them saying it last month, six months ago, 12 months ago, or 18 months ago would have been different how?

octopus_ink ,

It would have been pretty hard for me to call it empty platitudes for votes, aside from the 1 month ago window. But what would really cook my goose would be if they’d said it 18 months, 12 months, 6 months, 1 month, 3 months, 9 months and a shitload of other times ago. The way you message on issues that matter to you.

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

The person you’re replying to is a contrarian troll. No matter what you say, they’re gonna blame Democrats and not Republicans. Because they are a troll. stop, feeding the troll.

verdantbanana , (edited )
@verdantbanana@lemmy.world avatar

contrarian

contrarian /kən-trâr′ē-ən/ noun One who takes a contrary view or action, especially an investor who makes decisions that >contradict prevailing wisdom, as in buying securities that are unpopular at the time.

A person who habitually takes a view opposite to that held by the majority. “the contrarians in the stock market prefer to sell when most analysts advise us to buy”

A person who expresses a contradicting viewpoint, especially one who denounces the majority persuasion.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik

so Chinese dissidents or any political dissident such as Martin Luther King Jr or Jewish people in Germany during the Nazi Reign are by this definition contrarian trolls that denounced the majority persuasion?

EleventhHour ,
@EleventhHour@lemmy.world avatar

Lmao

octopus_ink ,

Funny, I don’t remember bringing up Republicans at all. I already expect nothing good from them.

The Republican candidate is a real policing iconoclast

Guess I should excuse any sort of inaction from Dems then. Good point!

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

It’s just what we’re stuck with until we get rid of first past the post

octopus_ink ,

You are talking about voting. I’m already voting for them. Aren’t I at least allowed to criticize them while also voting for them, or is that a bridge too far?

NOT_RICK ,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

You are. I just worry about what one sided criticism might bring for us in November, and I say that while completely agreeing with you that policing reform is needed.

octopus_ink ,

You are. I just worry about what one sided criticism might bring for us in November,

They could have avoided the criticism by skipping the empty platitude that triggered it. But a sincere thank you for acknowledging that it’s OK to criticize them. (though I’m unsure what one-sided means in this context)

Blackbeard ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

Democrats tried to pass the GFJPA in 2020, then again in 2021, and then Republicans took the House. All three times it was blocked by Republicans.

octopus_ink ,

Which Republicans made Biden say this? pbs.org/…/watch-fund-the-police-biden-says-at-sta…

Blackbeard ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

‘Fund them with resources and training’ is controversial to you?

octopus_ink ,

It is when it’s not paired with calls for oversight regarding how that training is used and specific results of said training.

I’m starting to sympathize with the 2A folks who are like “why more gun laws when we don’t enforce the ones we have” but in a different way.

What training (using only this singular current example) would you say should be required for an officer of the law to know he shouldn’t shoot a woman in the face with her hands up from 10 + feet away when he was under no threat? Do you need training to know that’s wrong? Training beyond what every single person given state power to kill should receive at an absolute minimum?

All that heartache and pain, and the final net result was Biden calling for more police funding.

And before you get into your don’t blame dems thing again, I routinely post the meme below for how unreasonable people are about blaming Democrats. I get it.

But you’ll forgive me for being a bit cynical when I hear not a damn peep from anyone in the administration about police reform all the way from “Biden says fund the police” to “Hey it’s 3 months before the election, cops killed someone again (which has happened many, many times since then), so NOW we’ve got these platitudes trickling out again.”

I get it, here’s the evergreen infographic I post over and over that makes your exact point. But damn I’d like some indication of “give a shit” other than when there’s an election close by.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/ac745681-3e48-4d53-a341-b2f4332fcda0.jpeg

Blackbeard ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not claiming to know what kind of training would help, just that “train them better” isn’t a particularly controversial statement. I’m also not arguing against police reform, which is desperately needed. I’m simply observing that Republicans are to blame for the GFJPA repeatedly not advancing in Congress. Were there a more significant Democratic majority in Congress, their intransigence would be irrelevant and reform would have already been implemented. Voters simply didn’t send that sizeable majority to DC.

octopus_ink ,

I’m not claiming to know what kind of training would help, just that “train them better” isn’t a particularly controversial statement. I’m also not arguing against police reform, which is desperately needed.

It’s a controversial statement when it’s the closest we’ve been able to come to anything resembling police reform, and is frankly insultingly little after everything that has transpired around those sorts of issues. If you don’t like how angry I am about it, I’m sorry to tell you that telling me not to be angry isn’t going to make me less so. I’m far more pissed off now that everyone has woken up to attack me for criticizing the party I was already going to vote for because I had the gall to call it like I saw it than the mild disgruntlement I was experiencing when I made the first comment.

Fucking rise up like this to demand better from Dems, folks!

Blackbeard ,
@Blackbeard@lemmy.world avatar

and is frankly insultingly little after everything that has transpired around those sorts of issues

Due to Republicans.

If you don’t like how angry I am about it, I’m sorry to tell you that telling me not to be angry isn’t going to make me less so.

Nobody told you not to be angry, so not sure why you’re so defensive. Just be angry at the people actually keeping things from happening and the voters who keep sending them to DC, not the politicians drafting laws and trying to negotiate their passage.

I’m far more pissed off now that everyone has woken up to attack me for criticizing the party I was already going to vote for because I had the gall to call it like I saw it than the mild disgruntlement I was experiencing when I made the first comment.

Nobody “woke up” to attack you. This is a public discussion forum. Don’t take everything so personally.

Fucking rise up like this to demand better from Dems, folks!

…and stop voting for Republicans.

octopus_ink ,

Nobody told you not to be angry, so not sure why you’re so defensive.

Because I may as well be advocating for Trump to get elected the way some folks are reacting

Don’t take everything so personally.

Possibly the oldest insult on the internet aside from asking someone if they are twelve. God forbid folks be passionate about something.

octopus_ink ,

Due to Republicans.

Republicans HAVE NOT stopped Dems from being able to message and signal around this issue to their heart’s content, and try to stir up more public support. They DID NOT force Biden to boil all that down to nothing more than calling for more police funding and then shutting the fuck up about the topic until we got close to an election.

Nougat ,

For those not in the know, Springfield, IL, is the state capital (capitol?). It's waaaay down in the generally rural middle of the state, with a 2022 population of just over 113,000. It is not anything like the Chicago metro area.

fcSolar ,

Capital. A Capitol is the building where the legislature presides.

Nougat ,

Thanks, I'm too old to be president.

Stovetop ,

It’s weird and dumb and arbitrary, but just to answer your uncertainty, it’s “capital” in this context.

Capital means, in vague terms, the highest of something. So in regards to a city, it refers to the most important city (for the government, anyways) in a given administrative region (e.g., state capital, national capital).

Capitol, with an O, refers specifically to the building where the US government is housed and the hill it sits on.

I don’t know if they have a shared etymology but it wouldn’t surprise me.

JDCAce ,

According to etymonline.com, capital comes from “Latin capitalis ‘of the head’”. Capitol comes from “Latin Capitolium, [the] name of the temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus, protector of the city, on the Capitoline Hill in ancient Rome”. The American architecture “deliberately evokes Roman republican imagery”. The “relationship of Capitoline to capital is likely but not certain”.

Interesting! Thanks for making me look that up!

5oap10116 ,

This guy spent no time talking about the stovetop…

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

It’s almost exactly like one of the many generic looking suburbs, maybe a little ghetto, definitely not Hicksville some some other places. There’s pockets of suburban areas in Central Illinois such as Bloomington/Normal and Champaign/Urbana

Carrolade ,

Just glad they’re not messing around with this one, and went ahead with the three charges of first degree murder.

Stovetop ,

And wouldn’t you know it, it’s thanks to bodycam footage that we have irrefutable proof of this clear and unquestionably excessive use of force against an innocent victim.

The bodycam footage that thousands of police departments throughout the US are still pushing back against because they want people to think it impedes their ability to appropriately deliver justice, when it is actually, finally, allowing justice to take place. The necessity of which was caused primarily by police brutality against people of color, just like this situation, where there was no witness account other than the cop’s side of the story.

If this happened ten years ago, back before bodycams became more widespread, the cop would have gotten off with a short paid suspension and no other punishment, because all there would be is the cop’s one-sided account of how she clearly assaulted him with a deadly weapon and reached for his gun.

tiefling ,

Conservatives have been backing the cop, as expected, and trying to make her seem like a dangerous criminal

xmunk ,

But she picked up the pot… so she was just following orders! Conservatives love people who were just following orders!

Yea, it’s fucking ridiculous. Hopefully it turns voters off Trump and we can get actual legislation in place to enforce body cam usage.

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