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SuperSaiyanSwag ,

I honestly can’t tell. Whenever I see a dumb outrage for video games, I tell my self that it’s a kid, but deep down I I really don’t know

jsomae ,

As an adult, I have smart outrage over video games.

Egon ,
@Egon@hexbear.net avatar

pronouns :yea:

solsangraal ,

what’s hilarious is dudebro adults still dress that way

Venator ,

Relevant vsauce: youtu.be/vjqt8T3tJIE

MeetInPotatoes ,

Assuming that getting married means you’ll never masturbate again.

HelixDab2 ,

Well. I was married to someone that thought it was disgusting, hated that I masturbated, and did her level best to shame me out of it. She also hated sex. (Well, with me; she suddenly liked sex once we were separated and she was dating.) And many fundamentalist religions do teach that no one should ever masturbate, and that women should always be sexually available to their husbands, no matter what. (Oh, and women don’t have sexual needs or desires of their own, they just exist to fulfill male needs.)

Soulcreator ,

Once yearssss ago I dated a girl who was one of those uber conservative types, and early on tried to set a rule that I wasn’t allowed to masturbate as that was cheating in her eyes. I remember just laughing in her face and my response was a firm “no”. I can tell this annoyed her, but quickly realized this wasn’t an argument she was going to win and quickly dropped the matter. Anyway I guess I dodged a bullet with that one.

HelixDab2 ,

My ex-wife wasn’t even conservative, so IDK.

MeetInPotatoes ,

That sounds rough, sorry to hear that. Being with someone that doesn’t treat you well for too long is damaging. Sounds like you found one of the millions that was absolutely not the right one for you though and I hope you can let it just be that when you’re ready. I could stand to take my advice to be fair lol.

lseif ,

im an adult and i thought that 💀

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,

That’s just a fundamentalist though

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling , (edited )

Extreme/insane positions on everything. Not just one or two insane positions, not just political extremism; when I say everything I mean EVERYTHING. No nuance allowed. And it has to be fully sincere, otherwise you are dealing with a Jreg.

There are milder versions of this, but I have rarely met a child that didn’t have a strongly held insane belief formed from their limited experiences. My favorite was a kid who told me that eating pasta supports fascism because it comes from Italy, so loving Italian products means you support Mussolini. Pizza is fine, though, because that’s American.

CaptPretentious ,

I’ll bite. What’s a Jreg?

lseif ,

jreg is a youtube who (ironically?) claims to be anti-centrist, meaning taking an extreme stance on everything, regardless of which extreme.

twei ,

jreg is a youtube

Found the adult

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,

A youtuber who was relatively popular with enlightened centerists around 2019. Links so you can look on and cringe:

He also would attend rallies and spout political gibberist

KillingTimeItself ,

jreg is pretty based i think. His content is satire, for sure. A lot of his recent stuff has been delving into more philosophical shit though.

Dude literally doxxed himself and asked people to kill him (in lore)

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,

I was a big fan of jreg pre-2020, but after giving up mainstream social media I currently believe that only cowards, frauds, and master satirists feel the need to use irony. It’s arrogant to think you are the third, and I dont think Jreg is either. I think he is a coward.

KillingTimeItself ,

ah, i think you should catch up a little bit on jreg then. He’s had a similar story arc lmao.

He’s “unironically Jregular now”

Gigasser ,

He’s actually leftist I think, and was parodying centrists too

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,

If I remember his coming out video, he’s a Democratic Socialist. Which, if the political compass made sense, would be just right of center. But I guess thinking people deserve rights is inherently left-wing to Americans lol

rambling_lunatic ,

He’s Canadian

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,

You mean We Have America At Home?

KillingTimeItself ,

yeah pretty much this. Dealing with one right now, people are funny.

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Uuuuuugh. I remember being so black and white, there wasn’t any middle ground on anything. It was exhausting.

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,

I’m just glad I decided to go full moral relativism right away back then. It was a good way to speedrun maturity, although I did maintain some kooky beliefs into early adulthood such as

  • "if you are not multilingual you can’t be a good person, and the more languages you speak the better of a person you are"
  • “The Democratic party is a puppet of the Republican party, and in reality the U.S. is only pretending to be a two-party state”
  • “The age of consent should be 25.”
  • “Evil people can be good functioning members of society, so we shouldn’t discriminate against people who hold evil beliefs as long as they are nice to others.”

It was exhausting. Opposite reason from you, there was only middle ground, no black and white allowed. But it came from the same mental place. Pride, arrogance, nieveté.

ghost_of_faso2 ,
@ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml avatar

The Democratic party is a puppet of the Republican party, and in reality the U.S. is only pretending to be a two-party state”

Ah, I see what you mean, anyone who disagrees with you is a child. America is a one party state, just in typical american exburance they have two of them.

ProfessorOwl_PhD ,
@ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net avatar

to go full moral relativism right away

Jesus, so you still think the mature stance was “maybe Hitler wasn’t morally wrong”? Bad news, you still have a lot of maturing to do. Like a fucking phenomenal amount. Just because your beliefs as a child were even more baseless doesn’t mean you’ve moved to a sensible position.

Peppycito ,

Quite the personality analysis from a five sentence comment.

frezik ,

If you’re going to lecture about “maturing”, then maybe don’t start by jumping to conclusions based on the first sentence.

ProfessorOwl_PhD ,
@ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net avatar

Actually I jumped to conclusions based on the whole comment, as it makes them seem like they consider becoming a moral relativist to be speeding through maturity.

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,

Thats not what I meant, but I can see why you read what I wrote that way. I personally think “There is no such thing as Truth” was a better place to mature away from than “I’ve been on this earth for 12 whole years, so I’m grown enough to know what the truth is”. I also think you missed the part where I don’t believe any of the moral relativism stuff anymore. My young adulthood was nearly 10 years ago, even the clooge I listed at the bottom is loooong gone.

ProfessorOwl_PhD ,
@ProfessorOwl_PhD@hexbear.net avatar

Ok, I see what you mean, the way you wrote it made it seem like you considered the process of becoming a moral relativist to be speed running maturity. Well done for growing out of it, then.

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling ,

See, this right here is why I love you folks on Hexbear. Every good-faith argument can end as a good-faith argument instead of devolving into screeching. That’s pretty rare on the internet.

SturgiesYrFase ,
@SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml avatar

Glad we grew out of it.

Valmond ,

Ha ha that’s hilarious 😂 such a cherry pick too

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

This. This is how I pick out if I’m arguing with an adult or not

seaQueue ,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Not understanding the difference between pre and post 9/11 politics

Zangoose ,

Hate to break it to you but people born in 2006 are turning 18 this year (and are technically considered “adults”).

jaaake ,

Having just turned 43, I can tell you that I don’t think I became an adult until my early/mid 30s.

WeirdGoesPro ,
@WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

This is a truth that everyone under 30 denies until the day they turn 30. It’s like a magic spell is suddenly broken, and you realize you’re alone in an aging meat husk that now knows the glory of back pain.

I know a young person will read this and think this won’t happen to them. To that person: I am you from the future. Remember us as we were.

Zahille7 ,

I’m 27 and I think I’m there already

WeirdGoesPro ,
@WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I thought that too. I regret to report: it gets worse.

user224 ,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I know a young person will read this and think this won’t happen to them.

I rather thought “Huh, 30s is still young.”

WeirdGoesPro ,
@WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I have no illusions anymore that this pattern won’t repeat. I enjoy my back pain for what it is: the pre-hip pain era.

EllE ,

I think it’s kinda like the old dating age formula; you can date people (your age) / 2 + 7 years old, and you feel like that’s the age of an adult.

When I was 15 I felt like ann adult, but people younger than me were teens. When I was 25 I felt like an adult but people under the age of like 20 were just kids. Now I feel like people in their early/mid-20s are just about adults. I’m sure when I’m 50 I’ll think back to myself now and consider myself barely an adult.

frostysauce ,

Wow, you’re me!

MutilationWave ,

I’m 40 and it seems like I can continually look back at myself from five years ago and think damn I was an idiot back then. I wonder how I will feel in five years…

gentooer ,

That’s a relief!

Yearly1845 ,

They are technically, but not actually adults.

MystikIncarnate ,

I was alive for 9/11 and I don’t know the difference.

I don’t care for politics.

corsicanguppy ,

I don’t care for politics.

Your sphere of control should match your sphere of concern; and neither of those things are what you think they are.

MystikIncarnate ,

You think politics are in my control in any way, shape, or form? They’ve gerrymandered my vote to irrelevance.

I still vote, I look at the platforms and vote for whomever I feel serves my interests the most, not that the party’s platform means jack or shit. They’re all just pandering to whatever they know you want to hear, and once they get into power, they do whatever the hell they want.

My district leans a particular way, and whether I vote with them, or against them, the same party is elected to govern. I’d say my vote is pretty useless in that context.

I was too young to vote, pre-9/11, and had even less interest in politics than I do now. I’ve vaguely followed along since I got registered to vote when I got old enough to do so, but it’s not like learning about what happened before I was registered to vote will help me in any way. I make the best choice based on the information that is available, and in the end, it doesn’t even matter.

MutilationWave ,

Could anyone persuade you to vote on what’s better for most people instead of what’s better for yourself? Maybe it’s the same policies maybe not.

MystikIncarnate ,

I usually want whatever is best for the majority. I’m done college, and I paid my student loans, I’ll vote for student loan forgiveness and a restructuring of that system so others don’t have to go through what I did.

I’m pretty healthy and rarely need hospitals but universal healthcare is something that everyone should have.

I would also vote for UBI, though I would get no benefit from it, as I’ve been employed pretty much non-stop since I left college.

I would also vote to raise the minimum wage, though my salary is significantly amount the minimums.

My principles are in line with what most people would consider to be the greater good for all people. I believe in true equality, and I don’t feel like that’s what we have, some people just aren’t given the same basic rights, especially in America with roe v. Wade being overturned. Bodily autonomy and the right to love, and marry whomever you want. I don’t believe in lowering the bar to give the illusion of things being “fair”, eg, allowing people who are otherwise mentally or physically incapable of doing a job, to do the job just because they’re a particular race, gender, or something else (making it more about who they are than whether they’re the best fit for a job).

I don’t think I need any convincing to vote for what’s good for someone else.

MutilationWave ,

Agreed, we are like minded in many ways. Thanks for the kind and long response. I believe your earlier comments were being taken by myself and others as fuck everyone I’ll get/I’ve got mine. Sorry I don’t mince words at the moment.

MystikIncarnate ,

No apology needed. No offense taken.

I know that text replies, especially terse ones can be interpreted in many ways. Often I tend to be rather verbose to get my point across accurately. Some then complain about the verbosity of my replies.

It’s a struggle to find the right amount of terse while being verbose enough to not be misunderstood.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Not at least understanding the difference seems irresponsible.

seaQueue ,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Who needs an informed electorate anyway?

MystikIncarnate ,

Why? How does knowing how politics worked before I could vote, help me as a voter today?

I understand enough about politics to cast my vote and beyond the act of voting, I generally don’t follow politics. I vote based on party platforms (what they intend to do) and the likelihood of those things happening. Eg, if a party was to say that they’ll make everyone rich, I would consider that statement to be delusional, unrealistic and not something that could be fulfilled even if that party was voted in. This is an extreme example, but I think you get my meaning.

Beyond doing my due diligence in figuring out who I want to vote for, and then voting for that party… What else do I realistically need?

My district always elects the same party anyways, whether I vote for them or not. I’ve landed in a gerrymandered location and that party basically always wins, but I still vote regardless.

IMO, I shouldn’t need to take a political history course to be considered to be a responsible voter.

antonim ,

So, uh, what is the difference?

obinice ,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

That assumes you live in one of a small number of countries for which politics significantly shifted after one of those countries was attacked.

And also that you’re at least old enough to have had a reasonable mature understanding of the political landscape before 2001, so as to appreciate how things changed. Let’s assume that’d make you at least 20.

…So, we have to be at least 43 years old, and American, or you’ll assume we’re children?

someguy3 ,

To actually understand you’d have to have been following politics pre 9/11, which would make you probably 16 at the time. That means 39 right now. That’s a lot of adults you’re ruling out.

If you want to say understand society pre and post 9/11, then you’re probably talking 12 at the time, so 35 right now. Still a lot of adults you’re ruling out.

TurboHarbinger ,

Bad assumption, a localized event doesn’t affect everyone in the world equally.

Snowclone ,

Very confidently wrong, poor reading comprehension, poor grammar, limited vocabulary, emoji gore, catch phrase/pop culture quotes/talking points repeated with no comprehension of what they’re saying, clearly not aware of how many things in life work, religious regurgitation while being surprised everyone doesn’t agree with them. Very easily impressed with basic factual statements, clearly thinking confidence is the main thing that makes someone correct. Thinks their mom telling they they are handsome is a valid point. Idk, that’s all I got.

solarvector ,

Huh

Hexbear is an 8/10 on this scale

Afghaniscran ,

Depending on what you meant by “very easily impressed with basic factual statements” it could go either way. I’m an adult and I’m happy to admit I don’t know a lot things, sometimes I’ve been stunned that what I believed was totally wrong and all it took was some to give me a basic fact to make me realise.

verity_kindle ,

Happy Cake Day!

FlihpFlorp ,

+1

Ever since I was a wee flipflop I always liked to learn from my friends (and yes I was that gullible naive friend) but now even in my 20s it’s still fun to learn outside a classroom. I don’t have to worry about my terrible memory not keeping all the info, if it sticks it sticks

noli ,

Fun fact: Australia is wider than the diameter of the moon.

BudgetBandit ,

Ankther fun fact! The Netherlands is smaller than all of Europe combined!

Tja ,

I’m an adult

🧐

Beardwin ,

Bonus: can also be applied to boomers.

seaQueue ,
@seaQueue@lemmy.world avatar

Boomers are just decrepit toddlers at this point anyway

schema ,

Could be a new gameshow: Boomer or Toddler

bolexforsoup ,

“Know why the call them baby boomers? Because all it takes is one little prick to their egos and boom! You’ve gotta baby!”

logicbomb ,

By these standards, most of my adult relatives are actually children.

Snowclone ,

It’s like I tell my kids, an adult is just a child who got old. It’s also why a lot of cultures have a concept of adulthood that has nothing to do with reaching sexual maturity alone.

bolexforsoup ,

very confidently wrong

Lmao dude that’s just people in general especially on forums

There’s also nothing wrong with people learning new info, no matter how simple it may seem. That’s kind of a pretentious/egotistical way to operate.

Most of this list is actually pretty garbage. Emojis? Using slang/catch phrases? This is basic social stuff these days.

spikespaz ,

You😆are🤓🤣wrong🤬😡! 💯💯👁️🍑👁️

Kusimulkku ,

Got one

Snowclone , (edited )

What I wrote – Very easily impressed with basic factual statements

What you think it means – there’s something wrong with people who are learning new things.

Does ‘‘basic factual statements’’ mean ‘‘new information that someone is just now learning’’. Can it also apply to information they already know, or believe is true? Can it also be referring to basic knowledge nearly everyone knows?

Does ‘being very easily impressed’ include a situation where someone reacts to information in a typical fashion? Does it exclude adults learning or recognizing factual information and responding with a simple agreement, such as ‘yeah that’s true’? Or is this an indication that an overreacting response is the dead giveaway?

  1. Did the sentance make a claim something is wrong with being a child?
  2. Did the sentence claim that learning new information is likewise something wrong?

Please write one 5 sentance paragraph explaining your opinion on the above two numbered questions. Proofreading will not be necessary.

bolexforsoup ,

Jfc no thanks bye dude

DumbAceDragon ,
@DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works avatar

So every boomer on facebook. Got it.

DessertStorms ,
@DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

This is like reading a reverse horoscope - you’ve just thrown as many negative traits as you could think of at the wall, knowing at least a few will stick.

Nothing on your list couldn’t also apply to an adult, especially those most privileged and entitled in society.

Freefall ,

Those first two…and a couple others, also apply to a lot of adults I have had political conversations with the past several years…

corsicanguppy ,

lol

ur

literally

mid

lul

till

The signs of poor education are there. This sign can often be found in indolent kids whose education is incomplete, or adult Americans who are victims of the ‘no child left behind’ mess.

Freefall ,

Lul, this is literally mid. Oh, wait, I have a PHD. I suppose I am no longer allowed to speak how I want.

Senal ,

Are you suggesting that generation-specific vernacular is a sign of poor education?

Tja ,

Must be a kid…

Tixanou ,

I aint reading allat💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

Like if gay is bad and u a sigma (YT shorts raised me)
👇

AlexWIWA ,

Nice yap sesh

twei ,

Bro is fluent in yappanese 💀💀💀

AlexWIWA ,

That yappanomics degree clutch 😭🙌🏻💀

Shawdow194 ,
@Shawdow194@kbin.run avatar

Asking basic questions that can usually be answered with internet experience ("how do bans/kicks work", or "what is an administrator", "what is LAN" etc.)

Flaunting "new" features that existed on older products. ("This game let's us upload our own music to soundtrack!", "I've never seen a platformer like this" etc.)

SanicHegehog ,

Did you know that you can download podcasts and play them without internet?

This one got me the other day.

TheImpressiveX OP ,
@TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml avatar

Really? What’s next, podcasts delivered over airwaves?

SanicHegehog ,

It’s called WiFi smh

Sir_Kevin ,
@Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Their gamer tag includes “Killer”. They’ve never heard the terms “gamer tag” or “handle”.

RandomVideos ,

Is this really common? I dont know any that even used a computer before 2015

tobogganablaze ,

Extensive use of emojis and abbreviations is a good indicator.

laughterlaughter ,

I wish this were true, but not really. I’ve seen 40+ year olds doing exactly this. Why, you may ask? They grew up with Nokia phones.

sheogorath ,

T9 gang where your hands at

Retrograde ,
@Retrograde@lemmy.world avatar

Conversely, excessive use of grammar in casual Internet discourse indicates a tight-arse

laughterlaughter ,

My fellow internaut, I am keenly afraid I will have to disagree. Some of us old folks were raised by less than stellar parents that whacked our knuckles whenever they detected a minimum deviation of perfect grammar.

The wake of the ordeal stuck with us forever.

Ok, more seriously: you type how you type, and as long as you are not trying to impose your own rules on others, you should be fine.

having said that i despise the total lack of punctuation drives me really really nuts why cant you use at least commas periods and question marks you fucks

hakunawazo ,

tbh idk 😆

NoFun4You ,

Lol k 🤣

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

I’ve actually found that emojis are more of a GenZ and millennial thing. GenA doesn’t tend to use them, because there’s no novelty for them. Emojis were already invented by the time GenA was starting to use technology, so they’re not a new or exciting thing.

ILikeBoobies , (edited )

Vertical filming, putting music into videos when you could just use silence

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

I abandoned horizontal filming years ago. Only use it if I can’t fit something

locuester ,

When everyone watches your content on a vertical screen, it simply makes sense.

There was a time period before the modernization of video sharing apps when vertical video was annoying because it was primarily consumed on a PC. But that changed years ago.

The only people still making the vertical video arguments haven’t reevaluated their stance in a decade, or don’t get out of the house much.

ILikeBoobies ,

Or hold their phone sideways

locuester ,

When the video requires a wide view, yeah that makes sense. But only when required. Shouldn’t be the default since holding the phone that way isn’t the default. Simply makes sense.

ILikeBoobies ,

Why aren’t you holding it that way by default? Do you not use the keyboard?

locuester ,

Holding the phone sideways by default? I’ve never seen anyone do that. My phone doesn’t even work like that.

ILikeBoobies ,

Youngin

locuester ,

?

I’m 46. I’ve had phones since the 90s. Only sideways by default ones I recall are some Moto and Sidekick or similar. And they weren’t really close to today’s video capability.

What phone are you referring to that is sideways by default??

Crozekiel ,

Sounds more like you’re describing ai generated content than kids.

Wolf314159 ,

What’s the difference?

todd_bonzalez ,

They like people like Lenin and Stalin.

It’s a wakeup call for a lot of young people when they start to recognize the absurdity of anti-communist propaganda, but a lot of kids swing too far the other direction and figure all the bad things they’ve ever heard about history’s worst communist leaders are lies.

It doesn’t mean that Communism is uniquely bad, but these men were violent tyrants who don’t share values with most mainstream western leftists today.

Some never grow up and say dumb shit like that radical gender expression was common in the USSR or something…

jack ,

LOL

chobeat ,

Larping as a tankie is definitely a thing of immature, terminally online kids, but I wouldn’t throw Lenin in the bunch. While Stalin is mostly condemned as a reactionary psychopath by pretty much everybody except a few leftist basement-dwellers, Lenin is still read and taught throughout the world. Nothing edgy in reading Lenin.

Edgy kids on the internet worship other psychopaths like Pol Pot or Hoxha.

MataVatnik ,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

It was always a thing, had a tankie friend in high-school. Though you’re right, most people grow out of it. But I don’t think this guy did last I saw him

AsherahTheEnd ,

Stalin maybe. Lenin? He was a hero to the working class. I’d really like to see your sources on how Lenin was one of “history’s worst communist leaders”.

Cowbee ,

Some instances on Lemmy are going through a Red Scare, I doubt they can explain.

AVincentInSpace ,

I feel like someone who has an account on .ml might be biased

Also I’m not sure I’d call it a “red scare” when Hexbear is openly praising Putin and Xi Jinping

Cowbee ,

I am a Marxist, yes.

Hexbear doesn’t praise Putin, but they do praise Xi, quite a bit.

socksy ,

I suppose there’s not a lot of communist leaders to choose from in general, but Kronstadt happened on Lenin’s watch and it would be a bit disingenuous to pretend this was controversy free amongst the left and working classes.

ssj2marx ,

tHeSe MeN wErE vIoLeNt TyRaNtS

The kulaks and the monarchists and the nazi collaboraters deserved it. Communists have been vindicated by history every single time.

oatscoop ,

Late teens, maybe early 20s.

How close am I?

foofiepie ,

Some people take longer to mature.

ssj2marx ,

True. I didn’t become a commie until I was almost thirty, young me was so idealistic.

foofiepie ,

😂

Great reply. Respect.

todd_bonzalez ,

This is exactly the kind of shit Republicans say about growing older and becoming more cynical. Same regressive bullshit, different ideology.

ssj2marx ,

As we all know, getting more militantly progressive because you see the repeated failures of the liberal worldview is exactly the same as getting more conservative because you own more property 🤡

Cowbee , (edited )

Ah yes, if a Communist is young, they are naiive, and if a Communist is older, they are cyncial and regressive.

The double-think is strong with you.

Where’s that Parenti quote?

“During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.”

TrickDacy ,

When they’re adamant that voting third party in the United States will be useful in some capacity, I assume they’re 13

Bytemeister , (edited )

I don’t assume they are 13, but they at least aren’t old enough to remember what happened in 2016.

TrickDacy ,

Or any other election year, for that matter. I don’t think a third party candidate has gotten a significant voter block in 100 years.

dylanmorgan ,

Ross Perot got 18.9% of the popular vote in 1992. While he didn’t get any electoral votes he likely prevented a second HW Bush term.

TrickDacy ,

Fair – outliers might exist, on rare occasion

VictoriaAScharleau ,

the analysis shows perot damaged Clinton’s margin of victory.

MutilationWave , (edited )

Source on this? I was young but I remember that election. Perot seemed to be like some kind of ultracapitalist “run the country like a business” moron that people respected because he was rich. My grandpa loved him and I rarely heard him talk politics. He was also only educated to the sixth grade for what that’s worth.

Seems like the kind of guy to take a bite out of the conservative vote.

I’m gonna fix my ignorance and go look him up right now though.

Edit-- I’m back, learned a lot. I love that he supported electronic direct democracy way back in 1992. He was in favor of gun control and money for AIDS research. Openly supported gay rights in 1996 but notably not until his second campaign when he really had no chance.

He didn’t believe trickle down economics worked. Was a billionaire who spoke against greed which is really strange. But me calling him an ultracapitalist is probably misplaced. Also not a moron. He was into taxing the wealthy, starting to like this guy, but balancing the budget by cutting social programs, nevermind do not like.

He opposed outsourcing factory jobs and favored environmental protection. He wanted to decrease the budgets of both the military and NASA. Wanted to cancel the space station.

Quite the complicated guy. I love some of his policies and hate others. Seems like a weird mix when viewed through a modern lens. I think I’d have considered voting for him if I was ten years older in '92. Probably would have voted for Clinton though who notably achieved one of Perot’s primary goals, which was to balance the budget.

So I ended up researching Clinton’s campaign and it was straight up racist against black people. He also pledged to end welfare “as we know it”. I think I actually would have voted for Perot! Maybe there’s something to what you’re saying about reducing Clinton’s margin of victory.

Perfide ,

Yep. A third party candidate hasn’t gotten a single electoral college vote since George Wallace, and the only time a third party has done better than either a Democrat or a Republican was with Theodore Roosevelt and his Bull Moose party, which crushed Taft but got absolutely obliterated in turn by Wilson due to the spoiler effect.

tyo_ukko ,

The youngsters are downvoting you, but what you’re saying is sad but true. It’s the reason Bernie never ran as an independent, he knew it would hand the victory to republicans on a silver platter.

ameancow ,

Almost anyone with an irrational political stance betrays their youth.

Political ideology has always captivated the passions of youth, but isn’t successfully implemented or even internalized except by people with age and experience and emotional regulation.

MutilationWave ,

I agree with you. Do you think people become more conservative with age or is it society becoming more progressive and leaving them behind? Obviously ignoring the current regressive times of the last eight+ years there.

To contribute an answer to the original question I offer this post as evidence of age- thinking about how much has changed during my life may have come through above.

ameancow ,

Do you think people become more conservative with age or is it society becoming more progressive and leaving them behind?

I am getting up there in years and seeing this play out over and over.

I think every generation wants to be more progressive than the last, but we tend to carry baggage of fear and insecurity through the generations. Or more specifically, older people tend to gain the political and monetary capital needed to affect policy and shape our societal outlook and attitude. They will always be more conservative than the younger generation who will want more freedoms and personal rights, inherently, and as the ruling class will clash with newer sensibilities, over and over.

What we’re asking here, is the conservatism reflected in our elders and leadership now broadly more harmful or helpful? Are we out of the touch or is it the kids who are wrong?

I think it’s a mix but mostly it’s not our real problem. Our real problem is that no matter what our age, we have greatly misunderstood how our own existence works. Most people have been taught that they have brains designed to exercise logic and reason and that brains are the best thing ever if you use them and make them smart.

No, our brains are not logical tools. We are not a rational species. There was no “age of enlightenment.” It’s all a hoax. Our brains are tools designed to write a story to explain how you feel. And that’s it. It doesn’t even have to make sense. When we all learn how our brains actually work we will collectively make better decisions, have more compassion for each other, and likely sink into even deeper despair as we all start to realize we have no free will.

explodicle ,

Conversely: when they say this is the most important election of “our lifetimes”, and the world will end if we lose.

(Doesn’t mean they’re wrong)

fruitycoder ,

You would need some real insurance that others were commuted to vote 3rd party no matter what. Otherwise the real benifit is just getting to that 5% mark where third parties get some bennies like federal funding and automatic ballot access in some places. Which is minor vs say stopping a campaign of vengeance from a candidate who has acted feloniously already and has abused his position to black bag political opponents before.

11111one11111 ,

Why not vote 3rd party in states that only go one direction? Take NY for instance. What the fuck harm comes from voting 3rd party assholes for president? One time the state elected a republican candidate and it was (still is I think) the largest landslide in history. I’m 36 and have always hated the 2 party system. It’s been easier and easier as I got older too with increasing political polarity.

Dark_Arc ,
@Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg avatar

Because if enough people do that, it actually can result in that state not “doing what it always does.”

Assuming voting for X is going to result in Y getting elected over Z “anyways” is not a good strategy for getting what you want.

11111one11111 ,

What I want is more than 2 fucking options. What you are assuming is that I wouldn’t get what I want if a conservative won NY. For this to happen there would need to be a mass exodus of democrats abandoning their party to vote conservative. So for that to happen either the democratic candidate is God awful or the conservative is a homerun. Either way I dont give a fuck.

I vote for my interests in state and local elections. Presidential elections in NY are the least concerning elections as they should be for every fuckin American.

Lightor ,

This, comments like “Presidential elections in NY are the least concerning elections as they should be for every fuckin American” is how you know someone is a kid. Saying the presidential election is the least concerning election? The guy who appoints Supreme Court Justices that shape our laws and lives? The guy who basically runs the country, don’t worry about that one. What the actual fuck lol.

11111one11111 , (edited )

Gave my age in the parent comment of the one you replied to mid-thread. Unless you already saw it and are asserting that my age qualifies me as a child! In that case, my receding hair line is flattered!

Overreacting to comments that don’t align with your own doesn’t give away age but sure as shit shows your maturity.

Read my parent comments for better context and if you need help understanding the fundamentals of federal, state and local elections, I’m happy to explain further! 🍻

Lightor , (edited )

Well first, you can lie, it’s the Internet, it’s known to happen from time to time. You could be older but I find that idea worrying and a little depressing.

Secondly, me pointing out that saying “presedetail elections should be the least concerning to everyone” is just straight ignorance. I mean you don’t even seem to understand the impact of the Supreme Court on every day citizens alone (abortion rights much) and how they are appointed, why would I bother sift through your nonsense comments lol.

Either way, hope you get some good information/education from all the responses people are giving ya! 🍻

11111one11111 ,

So you didn’t read the comments that added context lol. Starting to think this is more of a reading comprehension issue lol.

So Ill give you the outline:

I live in NY.

There would have to be like 5 million democrats voting republican to even create a scenario where my voting 3rd party affected the outcome.

NY goes democratic every election no matter what my vote is for. For that reason the presidential election is the least important election.

The quote you keep taking out of context emphasized the importance of voting for EVERY elected official because even with Roe v Wade over turned nothing has changed where I live for how abortions are handled.

Lightor , (edited )

Yes, so let me introduce this concept called “swing states” where it is not like NY. There, votes matter. So them voting does matter and have an impact. Either way, even if you know your state will go one way, the outcome of the election is still very impactful to citizens.

You said the presidential election should be the least concerning election for everyone. That’s just wrong. Swing states have power and the president can impact everyone. It is very consequential to multiple people.

If you’re upset that NY is always blue blame republicans who are against getting rid of the electoral college and having rank choice voting.

Or you can just keep insulting me because I disagree with you, that’s a very Republican move.

But sure, over turning Row v Wade hasn’t impacted you directly so it doesn’t matter. No one should be concerned about the president because big changes to law haven’t impacted you so they shouldn’t matter to anyone. Jfc… Some people were impacted you know, you are aware of that right? And that was a direct result of the president that was elected selecting a conservative justice. But hey, it didn’t effect you so it shouldn’t matter to anyone right?

“Presidential elections in NY are the least concerning elections as they should be for every fuckin American.”

You can say I have a comprehension issues all you want, but you seem to think all voters shouldn’t care about the presidental election because it won’t impact you in NY, big lol.

Dark_Arc ,
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If you want more than two options vote for Democrats in primaries that support ranked choice voting initiatives. As it stands, you realistically have a binary choice and until you have ranked choice voting that will continue to be true.

Duamerthrax , (edited )

I know a full grown adult that does that in every election. Local elections, sure, I can understand, but he does that with all of them, Basically a card carrying communist that’s a useful idiot for right wing politicians.

Cysioland ,
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Very weird political positions, like eg. unironic Polpotism

xilliah ,

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