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beckerist , to memes in Firefox is the only way.

This is why I’ve stuck with firefox through thick and thin

sexy_peach ,

If they ever fuck up big time I’ll go with the next obscure option.

TAG ,
@TAG@lemmy.world avatar

What else is there that is not Chromium/Webkit based?

Kata1yst ,
@Kata1yst@kbin.social avatar

Now that KHTML is dead, not very much at all.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_browser_engines

exu ,

The SerenityOS browser! /s kinda

AceFuzzLord ,

If a dedicated team wanted to work on it, there is the Servo engine which is currently developed by The Linux Foundation but is apparently entirely volunteer driven.

I’m not smart enough to do this kinda shit, but I’m sure there are plenty of others who would gladly work on it to make it bigger than it already is. You could then make your own browser based on that engine. Sure it would take years if not closer to over a decade, but the payoff for privacy and free web would be enough to make me spend all that time doing it.

hai ,
@hai@lemmy.ml avatar

NetSurf

JokeDeity ,

Been using FF for about 2 decades now and I have never seen a single good reason to switch.

EricKendrick ,
@EricKendrick@feddit.uk avatar

Ditto. As much as people pretend Firefox is niche, it is the only browser with lineage back to the start of the web.

Dashmaybe ,

Truly. I don’t get this new “switch to Firefox!!” hype, are the people writing this very young, or am I missing something? I’ve been using Firefox since beta, I’ve never seen a reason to switch since it’s always been the superior browser, why have people been running anything else in the first place?

Singar ,

I made the switch to Lemmy. Time to do the same with Firefox I guess.

Michal , to mildlyinfuriating in Environmental protester halt the world championship in cycling... one of the best alternatives to fuel driven transportation....

Cycling is environmentally friendly, but let’s not equate world championship to cycling as transport. The event itself must have a lot carbon footprint. Still, weird choice of event to protest, but I can see them doing what they can to get the publicity they need.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

The event itself must have a lot carbon footprint.

Same is true for almost every form of entertainment but it’s a drop in the bucket compared to the truly big polluters.

nal ,

Sources of entertainment have - by definition - more viewers and attention than Exxon’s office building.

woelkchen ,
@woelkchen@lemmy.world avatar

Sources of entertainment have - by definition - more viewers and attention than Exxon’s office building.

I always find it odd when people claim that something is by definition. Whose definition?

Anyway, this event is promoting cycling and disrupting a cycling event does nothing to help further promoting any form of cycling.

Freeman ,

I think its because of this: sh.itjust.works/comment/1915960

I guess big oil has nothing against cycling, as long as its the sport and not the mode of transport…

Onlycats , to nostupidquestions in Why exactly did the android community's mods decide to basically leave world?
@Onlycats@lemmy.world avatar

I think it is very well explained. You don’t need to go to other instance to follow them.

They are just merging with another community for convenience.

I don’t get why are you so upset. It’s not a big deal.

Also, you can create your own community in any instance you want.

TheVampireSaga OP ,

“I don’t get why are you so upset. It’s not a big deal.”

first off I’m not? I’m just confused why the entire modteam just refused to get everyone’s input and did what they wanted anyway which is why people left reddit in the first place.

Second, it’s not convenient to just close a community without anyone’s knowledge and punish the users who don’t want to move so suddenly.

SilentStorms ,
@SilentStorms@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

I get the feeling that you don’t understand that you don’t need to sign up at the other instance to subscribe to the community. You can just click the link and subscribe from your current account, and everything will be as it was.

Rashnet ,
@Rashnet@kbin.social avatar

Not if you're on kbin. The new server isn't federated with kbin.social for some reason.

sentient_loom ,

Man this defediverse stuff gets tiring

Chasm ,

There’s a reason why I don’t use kbin. Well, two. 1. Kbin federation sucks and is weird as fuck and keeps turning off and on, and 2. Where API, I script the shit out of everything, API pls. Apiiiiiii

Xathonn ,
@Xathonn@kbin.social avatar

They're working on the API right now. Kbin is much newer than Lemmy. Lemmy's been around for like 3 years while Kbin is a few months old.

Chasm ,

I know :) I’m partially kidding. I tried kbin. The UI was too weird for me. That’s actually the main reason I didn’t use it. It felt less customizable. I had a hard time not seeing just the defaults. In fact I’m not sure in all this time I’ve subbed to anything from my kbin acc.

CheshireSnake ,
@CheshireSnake@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Is it defederated? If not, afaik, someone will have to search for it first (and then post/comment? I forget. Lol). It doesn’t federate automatically.

DoucheAsaurus ,
@DoucheAsaurus@kbin.social avatar

There's almost 900 subscribers on kbin that cannot access lemdro.id at all.

corvettecole ,
SpaceNoodle ,

“I’m not upset, I’m just using the same words upset people use”

GoodKingElliot ,
@GoodKingElliot@feddit.uk avatar

You don’t have to move your account. You can subscribe to the other community on the other instance from your existing account. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse.

forrgott ,

Your first point…I’m sorry, it just looks like a classic “strawman”. All I will say is that there are many reasons to leave reddit, but this particular argument fails on a simple premise: # most of the time, users upset with specific mods likely did not leave reddit, but rather just created new subreddits in direct competition. But there is no singular reason to leave reddit; even so, the most popular reason currently is something entirely different.

Second, the community explicitly was not closed; it was relocated. As others have pointed out already, this does not remove or restrict your access in any meaningful way.

Last but not least, there reasons are very clearly and directly communicated. I see no fault with their reasoning, or the action they took.

Philo ,
@Philo@lemmy.ml avatar

Send me a link please. I’m kinda slow learning lemmy.

sxan , to programmer_humor in Just a dad helping out
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

That’s either a professional level dad joke, or holy wow, does he not know how much you make?

That said, I’ll build anyone a website for £500, no matter how large. But that’s the base model. It’ll be a template taken from a catalog, and Hugo. My maintenance fees are only £250 per hour.

FuglyDuck ,
@FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

I’ll build anyone a website. I’ll do it for 450.

No refunds, though. (don’t tell them this, but they won’t be very happy with the product.)

variants ,

It’s a pretty good racket. My friends boss saw us building ourselves a site one time when he let us use his shop on the weekend and he got intrigued.

So as payment for letting us use the machine shop we took over his business website from some expensive marketing company that charged a ton we got him down to a domain and a basic weebly plan. We took photos of the shop and just used their shop colors for the text and slapped on all the contact info he wanted.

Then his bookkeeper saw his site and wanted one so we did the same for her, then her son saw the site and wanted one for his friend who’s a plumber. Next thing you know we are turning down jobs because everyone and their mother wants a $500 website from us haha. It became a better business than what we borrowed the machine shop for to begin with

sxan ,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Very nice. I don’t think there’s anything better than being your own boss.

partial_accumen , to lemmyshitpost in Goodbye, old friend.

Future Martian geologists. “This rock has no business being here. There must have been a glacier at some point that moved it here.”

wreckedcarzz ,
@wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

“this structure is not a natural formation. someone must have built it, so it must lead somewhere.” vibes

maccentric ,

Aliens!!

deegeese ,

The tracks lead to the rover.

Ferrous ,

I wonder if there’d be a different prefix for a Martian geologists. I suppose they could be called areologists?

variants ,

What are you, an etymologist?

thesporkeffect ,

Those brave men and women who gave their all to study the areola, no matter the cost

E: but aresiologer sounds cool

theneverfox ,
@theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

I used to think that data was easily preserved, so clearly it’d be around for future generations

I no longer think this to be true - not without extensive work to keep it alive

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

Crazy haired martain: EARTHLINGS

DrDominate , to lemmyshitpost in Not to mom shame...
@DrDominate@lemmy.world avatar

You wear a tinfoil cap to keep the radio waves from controlling your brain.

I wear a tinfoil cap to keep my brain’s waves from interfering with nearby electronics.

We are not the same.

lennster69 ,

Finally found a brother who gets it

hungryphrog ,

So that’s how I stop the fridge from reciting random frog facts!

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

Do you really want it to stop though?

hungryphrog ,

It’s my job!
Did you know that pumpkin toadlets are so tiny that they can’t land correctly when they jump?

Enkrod ,
@Enkrod@feddit.de avatar

Yes! Did you know that they can’t hear their own mating calls?

hungryphrog ,

Yes!

lugal ,

I wear my tinfoil cap to keep people from socializing with me.

We are not the same.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

That’s what Larry did on Curb!

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/89eafe22-8071-4e83-80d1-7dd37735af13.jpeg

His hat pushed society away and he loved it.

lugal ,

It’s the same picture

YaDownWitCPP , to retrogaming in I miss console ads being this weird

That’s a lot of ecstasy.

A_Union_of_Kobolds ,

It’s gonna be a fun night followed by a hard, sleepy day

SidewaysHighways ,

She gonna need some water

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe ecstacy is actually dehydrating. Dancing at a rave for hours on end without drinking anything is though.

Crismus ,

Just like SSRI’s, Ecstasy does interfere with your hypothalamus and temperature regulation. So, small energy expenditures creat oversized responses.

You would still sweat heavily doing more than lying down with a fan blowing on you.

sp3tr4l ,

Yeah, another part of the problem is that you cannot tell that you are hyperthermic and or dehydrated.

Thats how you get the people that dance all night and then just die, or go comatose or pass out.

Your body stops telling you wow, i am way too hot and wow, i really need water.

Sort of like that rare condition where you literally cannot feel pain, and children with it will break their fingers because it feels weird.

kwomp2 ,

Looks more like a few hours of cramping body and soul followed by 3 days of emotional hangover

rez_doggie ,

Drained

Rai ,

Ehhhhh so this was in 2000. Your standard ecstasy pill (we’re assuming they’re not pipers; these don’t look shiny and they’re not shaped or outpressed) have between 70mg MDMA and 120mg (if they’re absolute fire.)

This would be about 400mg of MDMA total. While that is quite a lot, you’re not going to have a horrible time—I just wouldn’t do it in public because you WILL be a chattering mess. It’ll still feel amazing, though.

Source: oldhead, last time I rolled it was a total of about 450mg but spread out over hours and I was absolutely not in public, just writing naked with my partner)

kwomp2 ,

I was gonna add “these days” but didn’t

Rai ,

Oh GOD I fully agree in that case. Rolls nowadays have up to 300-400mg in a single pill (sounds like you already know that, but I’m just saying this for context in case another reader doesn’t)

That’d be like eating a gram or more of Molly at once, and THAT is for sure not safe and not a good time.

not_that_guy05 ,

Eh, not double stacked so it’s ok.

Rai ,

AKSHULLY that wasn’t a thing in the 2000s, just marketing hype. Rolls back then had between 70 and 120mg of MDMA, and 120 is a basal amount you want to take if you fully want to get rolling.

Now it’s TOTALLY a thing, tons of rolls have 300-400mg in a single pill now. It’s insanity.

dditty ,

Damn that is insane. My skin would slink off if I did 300+

Rai ,

Recently did 400-450 each with my partner in a night but over the course of a couple hours… definitely not something to do in public hahaha. We were naked, quivering piles of hedonism, writhing in bed for hours in absolute insane, well, ecstasy. It’s aptly named, that’s for sure.

For once, got incredible sleep afterwards and felt awesome the next day! Thank you, sleep.

person420 ,

Worse than that, that one website dance something that would test pills found that a huge percentage of the “ecstasy” people took didn’t contain MDMA. A surprising amount didn’t even contain illegal drugs. Just over the counter speed.

Rai ,

Yah, there were TONS of pipers going around (BZP/TFMPP) when that was legal to buy. I’ve never had one because I could instantly tell when a pill was a piper (shiny, hard, outpress, or shaped.) I could also tell by the taste if I licked it. Headache city apparently.

mox ,

Curious. When I last looked (quite a while ago) most of the tested pills were MDMA, with many containing caffeine as well. I guess it varies a lot over time.

dancesafe.org

www.drugsdata.org

person420 ,

Dancesafe.org was it! I’m going back over 20 years to the late 90’s early 2000’s. I can’t comment on the state of ecstasy today, I haven’t rolled in over 20 years.

HootinNHollerin ,

This is how the girl from that Mitsubishi eclipse car commercial started her night

EleventhHour , to lemmyshitpost in Hidden by default
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Mostly_Gristle , to funny in Chicago Man is ungovernable

If this dude figured out how to lift a full size duty weapon out of a retention holster using nothing but a plastic dino-grabber then he deserves to keep those guns.

kryptonianCodeMonkey ,

That’s the only reason, I think, that he was able to “repeatedly” do it instead of being arrested after the first time. Cop was so impressed that he managed it, he let him off with a warning and a handshake. Once is cool. Twice is funny. Three times is getting annoying. Fourth time is kind of embarrassing to the officers at this point. And fifth time is too far.

Legend ,

Sixth time is getting shot .

ech ,

Non-white US citizen - “You all are getting a sixth time?”

Legend ,

Any people at this point also dogs too maybe some other creatures humans love too if they got time .

nilloc ,

They’ve got time, it’s more a question of how many bullets they have left.

octopus_ink ,

Fourth time is kind of embarrassing to the officers at this point.

Isn’t the first time kind of embarrassing for them? If not, shouldn’t it be?

Socsa ,

I doubt these were retention holsters. It wouldn’t surprise me if he was doing it specifically to draw attention to how many cops are walking around with non-approved holsters.

setsneedtofeed ,
@setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world avatar

It turns out that the explanation is even simpler. It simply never happened.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e9eea3b3-b5ed-4bac-9459-9b0a85f7b81b.png

Got_Bent , to aboringdystopia in May 13, 1985

The only surviving adult MOVE member, Ramona Africa, refused to testify in court and was charged and convicted on charges of riot and conspiracy; she served seven years in prison.

Jesus Christ! No criminal charges against police so let’s imprison the sole surviving victim!

(She did get a handsome settlement years later, so there’s that but holy hell man)

FiniteBanjo ,

Devil’s Advocacy, read at your own risk:

According to the police, they evacuated the civilians from the area and engaged in a gunfight with the compound which housed known terrorists called MOVE, an anti-government and anti-technology religious organization whose members were all black and changed their last names to Africa as a form of symbolism who had years earlier killed a police officer leading to a lifelong conviction for 9 of it’s members.

https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/cc2fbb1c-4178-4f4d-9f62-2ad89cad5b74.png

The terrorists were armed with automatic weapons and a gas generator on the roof of the compound. After the 2 small bombs opened a hole on the roof and took out the generator, the terrorists supposedly even shot at firefighters who approached the scene which allowed the fire to spread. 61 home burnt with Six adults and five children as fatalities.

https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/a2476996-bdfe-4b19-8864-ba3d909a30e0.png

My take: The police should not have automatic anti-tank rifles or C4 Satchel Bombs. They should never have attempted to preemptively remove MOVE members from any residence, regardless of the status of their parole. This is not the job for people with less training than the people who cut hair for a living. The city held on to some of the corpses for 35 years, and all of the children were cremated and buried in unmarked graves, which is pretty fucked up.

But also, I’m certainly not on MOVE’s side in this situation. Those morons fucked around and found out. The fact that there are people around today who know about all this and wanted to pick up that banner for themselves is beyond moronic.

Railing5132 , (edited )

*terrorists as labeled by the fucking mayor…

We got goddamned Vote Quimby down here deciding who’s a terrorist because they got warrants, trash, and a bullhorn being a public nuisance.

Edit: -Terrorists armed with a… gas generator (commence pearl clutching)

-what the actual fucking fuck did the Keystone Kops think would happen if they dropped explosives on the gas generator in hopes of “taking out the “rooftop bunker”” which was most likely the goddamned rooftop access. They had to know. And if the didn’t, they were criminally stupid.

-you mention that anyone picking up their banner today is (some derogatory term I forget). Can you really not see why someone would look to extremes when faced with systemic oppression?

-and: 2A rights for everyone! “oh, only WASPy, good, christian tightey-whitey men, sorry - not you… When any minority holds a gun they’re obviously criminals.” and yes, I know there were warrants and shootouts in this case. But justice wasn’t served.

FiniteBanjo ,

I see a cult with a fortified compound and armed soldiers, with multiple missed paroles and a history of armed violence going back over a decade. If they’re not terrorist then what the fuck are they?

They are also victims, none of the things that occurred on May 13th should have ever happened with competent and respectful leadership and negotiation perhaps by the FBI or actual service members, but being a victim doesn’t erase every stupid indecent thing people have ever done.

Those children died in the cult’s basement. MOVE continued shooting at Firefighters after their roof burst into flames.

Nevoic ,

Terrorist is just a loaded word. Like Hamas is a “terrorist organization” but the state of Israel isn’t.

Terrorism often boils down to “enacting violence against systems of oppression”. Is the IDF a terrorist organization? What about the DoD? These organizations use violence to perpetuate existing systems of oppression, causing vastly more harm than any domestic “terrorist” organization ever will.

While these 11 people were being killed by the state for being “terrorists”, the CIA was backing fascists (contras) to overthrow democratically elected socialists in Nicaragua. Is the CIA a terrorist organization?

Madison420 ,

No man they literally threatened to bomb other countries for shit happening in the us, that’s everyone’s definition of terrorism.

Nevoic , (edited )

This misses the point. If we’re being technical, Hamas/MOVE is obviously a terrorist organization. Trying to convince me that they are isn’t going to change my position, because I already believe that.

It’s just that in-so-far as Hamas/MOVE etc. are terrorist organizations, the CIA/IDF are far larger ones. They inflict terror and use violence for political gain, the only difference is they’re the ones in power so they decide who is a terrorist.

That’s the problem with the word. The IDF and Hamas are both violent terror groups that shouldn’t exist, but Hamas only exists as a result of the IDF’s genocidal campaign, and yet we only call Hamas a terror group. It’s deeply problematic.

Madison420 ,

Correct.

orrk ,

no, the CIA and IDF are “freedom fighters”

FiniteBanjo ,

That’s whataboutism, multiple wrongs don’t make a right and none of MOVE’s actions are forgiven by this argument.

Nevoic ,

Calling this whataboutism is like responding to the claim “people have a biological urge to reproduce” as a naturalistic fallacy.

You’re using the word in sorta the right ballpark (I did make a comparison, e.g a “what about”), however not every time someone says “what about X” are they committing a fallacy.

My entire point was how terrorist is a loaded word, that we only use it to describe one side (the side not in power), even though the technical definition obviously fits organizations in power. Making a comparison to demonstrate my literal only point isn’t fallacious.

There were native american terror groups, yet the U.S government that literally genocided millions of native Americans isn’t a terror organization, despite their use of terror and violence to achieve political goals. It’s a word with clear problematic etymology.

FiniteBanjo ,

The CIA supporting Fascism in South America has fuck all to do with a confrontation between militarized police and a cult on May 13th 1985 in Philadelphia. If you think that’s not whataboutism then you’re dumb as a sack of bricks.

Nevoic ,

Yeah no need to get this hostile.

The word “terrorist” was used, and getting into the etymology of the word is best exemplified by how large “non-terrorist” organizations operate exactly like large terrorist organizations.

FiniteBanjo ,

Yeah but what about the CIA, right? Those are an example of terrorists, right? But yeah what about Hillary Clinton’s Emails? But what about the cost of recycling solar? What about it, right? What about those, you got an answer for those?

Nevoic ,

Exactly. And saying “what about” isn’t always a fallacy. That’s like thinking anyone says a natural fact they’re committing a naturalistic fallacy.

FiniteBanjo ,

But what about the Grand Canyon?

Nevoic ,

Yup, you can also make comparisons to irrelevant things. Not all comparisons are fallacious.

The way the CIA/IDF behave compared to other “terrorist” organizations is relevant to the etymology of the word. I don’t see how the Grand Canyon relates to any point you or I made.

FiniteBanjo ,

But what about the moon landing?

Nevoic ,

Oh wow, I didn’t get it until this message, fuck I’m an idiot. All comparisons are always fallacious. Thanks for helping me out, friend.

FiniteBanjo ,

But what about Jeffrey Epstein? Jeffrey Epstein ran a terrorist organization and this cult ran a terrorist organization and therefor Jeffrey Epstein is involved in the MOVE cult. And the CIA. /sarcasm

Nevoic ,

Yeah, that was my point. I can’t believe I didn’t see what my own point was until you cleared it up for me. It wasn’t about how “terrorist was a loaded word” even though that’s what I said.

I’m glad you’re here to clear up the difference between what I said and what I meant, otherwise I’d be genuinely lost.

Keep it coming.

TokenBoomer ,

Oppressed groups have an internationally recognized right to resist.

FiniteBanjo ,

This was 1985. If they were discriminated against then they could have settled it in the courts, not by forming a cult and fortifying a compound.

orrk ,

both of those actions are not illegal

FiniteBanjo ,

Neither was my suggestion.

SwingingTheLamp ,

I see a cult with a fortified compound and armed soldiers, with multiple missed paroles and a history of armed violence going back over a decade. If they’re not terrorist then what the fuck are they?

Sounds awfully familiar.

FiniteBanjo ,

Thank goodness it wasn’t the same scale as that event, but at least the FBI attempted to negotiate and staved off a full offensive until 51 days had passed. If the Philadelphia police had shown that kind of respect and restraint then things might have ended a lot differently for the MOVE members.

SwingingTheLamp ,

And yet the Waco siege is still a rallying cry for anti-government groups accusing the FBI and DEA of unjust, violent overreaction, while the MOVE bombing is not. Huh, I wonder what the difference is? /s

FiniteBanjo ,

Could unironically be the difference in body count.

SwingingTheLamp ,

That’s possible, but that doesn’t explain the same feeling about the Ruby Ridge incident.

orrk ,

let’s not kid ourselves, it’s not the body count, it’s the same reason they don’t cite Tulsa nor Blair Mountain

FiniteBanjo ,

Tulsa and these two events are nothing in common.

orrk ,

they don’t you say? so none of them involved Government force, and not for the better?

but let’s be honest, Tulsa just had mainly black victims and was supported by the government (this is fine)

Blair Mountain just had mainly socialists as victims and was supported by the government (this is also fine)

but Waco, those were upstanding whites who refused the tyrannical mandate of the government (real victims)

FiniteBanjo ,

In the early hours of the Tulsa Race Massacre on May 31st 1921, 44 years before the civil rights movement brought an end to mandatory segregation, a Mob of White Supremacist Terrorists gathered around a Jail where a young black man was accused of a crime but the local sheriffs were protecting him by barricading the entrance to the floor he was held on, and a group of black men gathered in counter-protest but many were convinced to head home when the local law enforcement asked them, claiming they had the situation under control. Unfortunately, the situation escalated when an older white supremacist terrorist attempted to disarm a black counter-protestor by force, leading to a large gunfight that went on into the night and eventually the black men’s retreat into the segregated black community of Greenwood. The white terrorist group had allies in the local government who claimed that Greenwood was an uprising with reinforcements from neighboring cities, and that lead to some 1,000 additional armed terrorists, roughly 1% of the total population of Tulsa at the time, to invade Greenwood and begin the massacre that left a trail of dead and wounded while also burning down the majority of homes.

The perpetrators in these cases were different. The victims were different. You can sit there and claim that the attack on the MOVE compound had nothing to do with the terrorist cult stockpiling illegal weapons, threatening violence to achieve their goals of anti-technology and anti-governance, and shielding their members from lawful arrest, but you’re simply wrong. You can sit there and pretend that the Philly Police evacuating the area and attempting to force the cult out of the compound with tear gas is somehow equivalent to Tulsa terrorists burning down greenwood with people inside, but you’re wrong.

While you’re at it, why don’t you start comparing this to Auschwitz?

orrk ,

because this has nothing to do with concentration camps, and everything to do with the American government and government related massacres in America?

I mean, if you want to bring concentration camps into this, we can start talking about why a majority of the American prison population is black and are used as life long slave labor.

FiniteBanjo ,

TIL 38.7% > 61.3%

orrk ,

oh ya, i forgot, for some reason we keep adding new groups to “white” to keep a majority in anything

FiniteBanjo ,

LMFAO even if you decide to arbitrarily exclude all other minorities from our total for no reason at all, Blacks still aren’t the majority.

orrk ,

no, but for a long time Irish, Italians, Germans etc… weren’t white, until they needed to increase the size of “whites” because there weren’t enough WASPS to outnumber POC

FiniteBanjo ,

Got it, white people aren’t people with white skin but all people with dark skin are black people. Understood, sir.

orrk ,

yup, “white” is a completely artificial concept that originated in America (as in the continent) as part of the slave trade justification.

not even the Nazis had this “white” concept, in fact European racism is not along the lines of skin color

FiniteBanjo ,

You realize there are at least 15 different ethnicities currently in Africa, right? Then there are also dark tones from islands, Americas, and Asia in addition. Black is also just a concept. That’s what all races are, demographic groups assigned to vague characteristics. You’re not having a “gotcha” moment, you’re having an aneurysm.

givesomefucks ,

you’re having an aneurysm.

That’s a borderline insult, and you reported them for misinformation when what they’re saying is how it really was.

I think the confusion is they’re talking about what really happened, and you’re acting like they’re saying it was right.

“White” was expanded in America to include Irish and Italians.

As they lost the majority, they’d let in more groups to maintain the majority. No one is saying that made logical sense, and those lines are arbitrary.

But that is what happened.

theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-17933587…

FiniteBanjo ,

I’d like you to look at this comment thread. They made the outlandish claim that Black People are the majority of prisoners in the USA, and then when corrected they said to exclude every other minority except white and black, and then when they were corrected yet again because it was still wrong with their added stipulations they said White People are not a racial demographic but Black People are.

This isn’t a discussion about the definition of white in historical contexts, this is that user Orrk making a wildly inaccurate claim and wanting to metaphorically die on that hill.

givesomefucks ,

I’ve reviewed the older messages and you’ve kept this going for over a week, never sourced anything, and have not been civil…

I’m not sure why you’d want a mod to look at that, but thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Godric , (edited )

Idk, I’m several drinks in atm, but you’d make big money picking cherries.

*terrorists as labeled by the *fucking mayor…*a terrorist because they got warrants, trash, and a bullhorn being a public nuisance.

Alos Warrants for making terroristic threats, illegal possession of firearms, parole violations, contempt of court

Terrorists armed with a… gas generator (commence pearl clutching)

And automatic weapons. You used the … to erase the automatic weapons part.

what the actual fucking fuck did the Keystone Kops think would happen if they dropped explosives on the gas generator in hopes of “taking out the “rooftop bunker”” which was most likely the goddamned rooftop access. They had to know. And if the didn’t, they were criminally stupid.

Wow, not knowing where people store their generators is the bar for criminal stupidity? I have a different bar

and: 2A rights for everyone! “oh, only WASPy, good, christian tightey-whitey men, sorry - not you… When any minority holds a gun they’re obviously criminals.” and yes, I know there were warrants and shootouts in this case. But justice wasn’t served.

Ah yes, story we hear every week outta murica, them white folks, shooting their automatic assault rifles at the cops and getting away with it

/s

Seriously, if you start a business picking cherries, I’d like to invest, I haven’t seen anyone so skilled since 2020

Railing5132 ,

A bit boozy myself, so here goes:

  1. criminals, not terrorists

B) you called out the gas generator like it was some Lclandestine munition.

  1. getting a little racist there, aren’t cha?
Godric ,
  1. Drink less than I am, please! See above for why they weren’t just people vibing at home while the cops decided they were criminals for existing, fuckheads had automatic weapons and were happy to use them

B) Not sure what a generator has to do with Lclandestine munitions, or what those are

  1. What the fuck even? Go to bed bud
ramjambamalam ,

Ah yes, story we hear every week outta murica, them white folks, shooting their automatic assault rifles at the cops and getting away with it

I’m not saying it’s the same but the Bundy standoff comes to mind as a recent example where a buncha good ol’ white boys barricaded themselves in a compound, and they weren’t bombed. They didn’t fire upon cops but they did imply that they were ready to if they were raided.

FiniteBanjo ,

Everybody is in agreement that the cops grossly mishandled the situation on May 13th 1985, and it serves as a great argument for the demilitarization of police in the USA. The problem is some people in this forum want us to think this was a random unprompted massacre of ordinary people, which is pretty far off the mark.

Railing5132 ,

Qualified fucking immunity

Yet another thing to go after the revolution.

graymess ,

Don’t need qualified immunity if there are no cops left.

TokenBoomer ,

Damn straight

VirtualOdour ,

Ah yes murder all the police with militaristic fanatics then we’ll never have to worry about crime or corruption again! It literally can’t go wrong!

orrk ,

what, you think that cops are stopping crime and corruption? almost half the fucking federal inmates are in for drug possession XD, the great crime of getting baked

StrongHorseWeakNeigh , to programmer_humor in It's time to mentally prepare yourselves for this
whotookkarl ,
@whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

Based on a completely superficial review there are three almost guaranteed ways to become unhinged; studying infinities, refactoring legacy code, and working with timezones.

Hazzia ,

I’ve done 2 of those things already. If I ever have to tac on the timezones I will actually break.

lea ,

I think it’s time for a refactor of my legacy code that deals with infinite timezones. :/

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

That’s a good idea! Instead of discrete timezones, let’s have continuous timezones!

zerofk ,

I’ve been a proponent of this for ages. It makes no sense to cross some imaginary line and suddenly time shifts. Time should change constantly as you move east or west, up or down. Everyone has their own personal time, which is constantly updated.

Bonus: no more daylight savings switch.

oce , (edited )
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

How do you agree on a meeting time with a group of people who all live in different places of your country?

zerofk ,

That’s another benefit: no more meetings.

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Not even to spend good times with friends?

barsoap ,

That was kinda the situation in the past: Every town would have its own time, synced to the local noon every once in a while as the precision of the church or townhall clock demanded. That stuck around until railroad operators and passengers got sick and tired of dealing with the timetables that produces.

dan ,
@dan@upvote.au avatar

I had to refactor legacy date/time code (including timezone code) at work. D:

NerfHerder ,

You poor soul

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

Lmao I love how he just gets more and more flabbergasted throughout the whole video. Truly an accurate depiction of dealing with timezones (which I’m unfortunately dealing with right now!)

db2 , to memes in Pulling it off

This isn’t cringe at all… 🙄

li10 ,

It would maybe pass as not cringe if not for the last panel

HatchetHaro ,
@HatchetHaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

i dunno, i quite like the last panel

asteriskeverything ,

It’s to show playfulness and that the artist doesn’t feel THAT strongly, imagine how cold the comic would be without it.

And then consider that women have been raised to be polite and apologetic to the point it is even a habit for most of us. I guess that’s why I can’t really see it as cringe even if I try.

MBM ,

Something about this feels like it’s ten years old. It was a different time.

Reverendender , to foodporn in Pickle corn dog - does it belong here or in c/shittyfoodporn?

Are you insane? This is the greatest thing I have seen all week.

HonkTonkWoman ,

I hate corn dogs, but even I kinda want to try one of those.

SubArcticTundra ,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

It seems like one of those really messed up food choices that end up being surprisingly good, like putting cucumbers in cheese sandwiches.

ghostrider2112 ,

Yes. I need to try one of these, wherever it may be.

ickplant OP ,
@ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

Blue Ribbon Corn Dogs in Downtown Disney district, CA. But I’m sure that’s not the only place.

ghostrider2112 ,

Thanks! I also happily found a place currently more local to me in Cleveland. Korean pickle corn dogs www.instagram.com/…/Cqv1WFUpmeA/?img_index=1

Pacmanlives ,

Have a polish boy for me!!! I miss them dearly along with sauerkraut balls

ghostrider2112 ,

haha…for sure! it’s been a number of years since I had a po’ boy since i got food poisoning last time I ate one from a vendor outside the Browns stadium lol. Sauerkraut balls are still a must several times a year.

Pacmanlives ,

It probably was something you ate/drank in the Muni lot or from the Browns game play that day. But hey we got a parade from it!

ghostrider2112 ,

Haha…it probably well could have been their play as I think it was their first year back. also, how dare you question the grilled parking lot shrimp and brats? lol

Deconceptualist ,

I bet it’s even better dipped in good mayonnaise.

Reverendender ,

Everything is better dipped in mayonnaise

surewhynotlem , to lemmyshitpost in Blue Fluid !!!

“we had a driver who didn’t immediately stop yesterday… He’s dead now… But also let’s put up a cute meme!”

TopRamenBinLaden ,

Don’t ignore the blue fluid or we will turn you into red fluid.

Cold_Brew_Enema ,

DAE ACAB?!?!

funkless_eck ,

unironically yes.

BigBananaDealer ,
@BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee avatar

then where is that brave soldiers upvotes? must be a bunch of bootlickers downvoting someone saying ACAB

Kusimulkku ,

Oh shit they killed the driver and made a meme??

AllonzeeLV , to world in For the second time in recorded history, global sea surface temperatures hit six standard deviations above 1982-2011, on January 6 2024

It’s important to remember we are doing it for glorious purpose:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/eeb56ec3-4ced-43e2-9575-5dcc0c27ac5d.jpeg

From what the capitalists and their non-wealthy sycophants tell me, this is the only way, and we should stop complaining as they end the world to see who can get th highest ego score.

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

But you don’t understand, doing literally the bare minimum would mean 150 people only have 50,000,000x the average persons net worth instead of 100,000,000x!

And I’ll never be allowed to be in their club since they all work to make sure poors stay poors someday I might be one of them, so clearly I must defend this to the death of me and all my family and their children.

RootBeerGuy ,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

This isn’t even a recent comic, it is old. We know about this for so long already, it is depressing.

AllonzeeLV ,

We’ve been knowingly on the path to self-destruction for half a century.

It’s just become increasingly difficult to engage in self-delusion about it as the consequences become apparent.

This is why I’m past hope.

Wanderer ,

Most economist agree with externalities and wealth distribution. But people don’t like externalities and wealth distribution has nothing to do with capitalism and is to fo with politics.

AllonzeeLV ,

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_propaganda

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

truthout.org/…/pedagogy-for-profit-education-unde…

The capitalists own major media, the capitalists influence curriculum, as they’ve captured the state governments that set them, from K-Colleges of Economics to say “free market” capitalism is the only way kiddies. It indoctrinates millions of non-wealthy Americans to advocate against their own interests. Hi.

They use their power over government not only to deregulate their own industries for profit, but to defund social supports and then use their media to shriek “see how government doesn’t work?! Privatize everything!”

You can sing the praises of capitalism if you want, but capitalism not straight jacketed/draconianly regulated is a social blight that removes all humanity from society. A society shouldn’t be in service to an economy, an economy should be a lowly tool to distribute goods and services for the benefit of society.

Wanderer ,

I will sing the praises of capitalism because I understand it in a way most people on this site do not. It has done more to improve the standard of living and bring people out of poverty than anything.

Yes there are poltical issues in our society, especially America which isn’t the world and isn’t the only capitalist country. But that is a political issue.

People just need to think more about politics and understand how the economy works more. That’s where the issues lie.

AllonzeeLV , (edited )

That’s fine. Our trajectory is pretty well set anyway. We’ll keep insisting more growth/metastasis is the solution for the consequences of reckless growth/metastasis.

Have fun blaming everything except the root cause on the way down.

Wanderer ,

If someone comes up with a better alternative I’ve love to hear it.

So far no one has.

TokenBoomer ,
Wanderer ,

That’s a co-op.

They exist in capitalism. There is no reason they are seperate to capitalism. They aren’t.

Plenty of co-ops have existed. But in a modern world with globalisation shares are easier to manage than co-ops.

TokenBoomer ,

So many alternatives to capitalism.

Wanderer ,

I’m not watching a 30 minute video from some randomer youtuber.

You’ll have to condense it and tell me why if this alternatives are better than capitalism have they never been used and why aren’t they being used now?

TokenBoomer ,
Wanderer ,

Well no tankies on this site wants to learn basic economics so why should I listen to some random guy rambling on for 30 minutes.

I don’t think it’s too much to ask for you to explain coherently and succinctly your point.

The fact you can’t shows you’re more interesed in spamming easy to copy links in hope that you can overwhelm me with content and beat me into submission. It just shows you have a poor defense and are resorting to other means to win an argument that don’t rely on the argument itself.

TokenBoomer ,

You’re not worth the time.

Wanderer , (edited )

It’s very easy to be a contrarian if you just point out issues without understanding the system as almost everything in the world has some form of issues. But it is a lot harder to understand than system and fix it and it’s a lot harder to understand that system well enough and come up with an alternative. You don’t understand capitalism and you don’t understand the alternatives.

I think you should learn some economic theory. Maybe go out and buy a economics 101 book or watch some YouTube videos.

TokenBoomer ,

Great advice. Maybe I’ll give Das Kapital a try.

Wanderer ,

Maybe this

TokenBoomer ,

I did some research and couldn’t discern if the author was a classical economist, or a proponent of Keynesian or neo-Keynesian economics. Regardless, until the “invisible hand” remedies poverty from wealth inequality and homelessness nonexistent; I’ll stick with Marxism.

Wanderer ,

Homelessness can be fixed with government spending and capitalist countries has largely fixed homelessness. There always going to be some people that don’t want a home forwhatever reason so never going to be 0 unless you lock certain people in their homes.

Well yea we will all have equal weather when we have nothing under Marxism. Not sure that’s ideal though.

TokenBoomer ,

It is ideal to me. Overconsumption and Climate Change. Something’s going to give. And Mother Nature doesn’t bank at Wells Fargo.

Wanderer ,

Communism is inefficient though it leads to more waste. And not to mention most of the biggest ecological disasters have happened under communism.

TokenBoomer ,

Good luck short-selling during the water wars.

msage ,

Technology and science is pushing humanity forward.

And despite capitalists claims, it’s the government supplying both, not the corporations.

Take billions in public funding, sell the result for profit, claim no one else could do that and no alternative exists.

Tale as old as time.

Wanderer ,

You need to look up the amount of funding corporations do verses government.

Also government spending in a capitalistic society is a good thing. It’s like education. Governments put money into education and get “nothing” back for it. It just wastes money. But Governments do not work like businesses. Governments work through taxes so anything that can increase the amount of taxes they make is a good thing.

So something like education or funding is a cost that is recuperated in taxes.

Getting business to do things is just more efficient then doing it state controlled. That’s why America did so well from the war and Germany had issues.

The understanding of economics and capitalism is very low on this website.

Maggoty ,

Actually it was my economics classes in university that highlighted how bad things are and how corporations need to be highly regulated. Even the professor who attempted to show us we couldn’t regulate corporations and thus shouldn’t try used a simulation that made it apparent corporations would strip the land and ocean of everything if they could.

It definitely depends on the university you go to, there’s ideological differences in economic schools of thought. But the observed science is very simple and repeatedly proves demand driven programs at the bottom of an economy are far more powerful than supply driven programs at the top.

fossilesque , (edited )

wcfia.harvard.edu/…/transcript_jodidi11-5-2018

It’s worth the read. I promise.

Wanderer ,

I read it. I’m really not sure what I’m meant to be talking from it. I think a lot of Marxists don’t understand what capitalism is.

“Its very structure, therefore, deprives us of the ability to decide collectively exactly what and how much we want to produce, on what energic basis and through what kinds of social relations. It deprives us, too, of the capacity to determine how we want to use the social surplus we collectively produce; how we want to relate to nature and to future generations; how we want to organize the work of social reproduction and its relation to that of production. Capitalism, in sum, is fundamentally anti-democratic. Even in the best-case scenario, democracy in a capitalist society must perforce be limited and weak.”

Capitalism is entirely based on the the free hand of the market not on votes. People effectively vote with money. If people want more pears instead of apples, then more pears are planted than apples. The free hand of the market works without votes and infact is a lot lot more efficient than voting on everything or on trying to control these choices from a central government. Its fundamentally why (among other reasons) capitalism is so much more efficient than anything else.

Something that seems horribly missed by certain people that don’t understand capitalism is externalities. Most economists want these corrections made to prices. They want ways to fix the tragedy of the commons, they don’t want factories everywhere polluting they want the best use of capital, land and labour.

People get to vote on the limit of business. They can choose to have green spaces around cities and there is absoultely nothing a business can do about it. All the wealth made from capitalism that wouldn’t exist without it is taxed by the government and the government can use that money to better effect. Lots of countries and cities have green spaces and high environmental protection. Capitalist want the government to pay for education and the government wants to pay for education because it gets more money back from taxes.

If I have missed something please let me know. But I’m getting tired of people on this site no understanding basic economics so I’m not sure how long this conversation will continue.

fossilesque , (edited )

There are so many engrained assumptions here that would take a long time to undo, a lot of reading, and they take a long time to digest. I went through the journey, and thought like this once, until I realised there was a lot more to this than this narrative that is classically taught. I’m sorry. We should leave it here, maybe you’ll find it eventually. I appreciate your consideration of the text. It’s a good starting place. Ps, I was not the one who down voted.

Wanderer ,

Communism has been tried and failed exceptionally.

Hopefully something else comes along but I think it will just be a form of capitalism with higher taxes and UBI.

fossilesque ,

I wouldn’t call what has been tried communism as it was never a dictatorship of the proletariat, but I’m not convinced by orthodox communism either. That is also missing a whole lot of geopolitical nuance to what actually happened. Either way, what we have isn’t working and it’s time to find something new. Lemmy isn’t a good place for theory anyway, not that any other social media is much better.

Wanderer ,

I’m waiting for the day someone suggests I viable alternative to what we have now

fossilesque ,

They will be born of need, when things break down. Such is the way of these things.

Wanderer ,

400 years and going strong. Might have to wait a while.

TokenBoomer ,

Lemmy is a great place for theory.

TokenBoomer ,

Great read. I’m bookmarking this. Thanks.

veganpizza69 ,
@veganpizza69@lemmy.world avatar

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TokenBoomer ,

That’s horrifying. The only choice is not to play.

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