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sebi ,
@sebi@lemmy.world avatar

Whats that squirrel??

mhatretush ,

Seems like UC Browser.

neketos851 ,

FREAKING UC BROWSER THE ONE I USED ON MY DADS NOKIA WHAT TGE HECK IT IS DOING HERE

Rindel ,

Real talk, if even Steam is Chromium-based, how can I escape? Is there a non- or less-evil, but similar launcher? I’m trying to shift away, but it’s really difficult since everyone I know uses at least one, usually many of those programs.

Onionizer ,

Games marked drm free on gog.com

clumsyninza ,

What does Google holding the gun in this picture imply?

illectrility ,

knowyourmeme.com/…/wait-its-all-ohio-always-has-b…

clumsyninza ,

Why is steam and discord here?

smileyhead ,

Steam build-in browser is Chromium.

And Discord desktop app is a whole Chromium web browser with disabled tabs panel running only one website (app.discord.com).

clumsyninza ,

Is the chromium like a huge part of steam application’s or is it just used to open links and such things ?

federalreverse ,

It’s the entire UI of Steam. Same with Discord. Basically, the UI is made with the same tech that websites are made with and Electron is like Chrome displays the UI just like a website.

liam8192 ,

The discord software is actually a Chromium-based browser… but you can only access the Discord website with it.

tfw_no_toiletpaper ,

Because it’s chromium bruv

Pwnmode ,

Discord uses a framework called Electron. It uses, among other things, chromium to run the website on your desktop. …m.wikipedia.org/…/Electron_(software_framework)

Steam at least uses chromium in its program for things like the store and built-in browser.

TheBiGuy ,

Not sure about discord but steam is definitely a web app. Not sure what tech they use but I’d guess something electron’ish

danhab99 ,
@danhab99@programming.dev avatar

Discord is known for being an electron.js app but I don’t know about steam

3laws ,

OBS should be there too.

vacuumflower ,

It’s so sad that Presto didn’t get FOSSed.

Technically it already depended on plenty of FOSS technologies, like gstreamer etc.

We know this from the leak which allowed to compile a working browser.

If only it was legally released, it would still be alive, I’m sure of that - there were even patches for the leaked source adding functionality and fixing bugs.

Razzbow ,

Midori, Falkon, Vivaldi, Epiphany, and maybe if you have to - silk are all browsers I’d use over chrome.

smileyhead ,

Vivaldi is Chromium based too

Razzbow ,

Yeah but a bit despookified

FlixusFlexus ,

I believe Epiphany uses something Safari based, but i am not sure on that

toastal ,

WebKit + JavaScriptCore

flowerofanarchy ,

I mean brave is fine. I use firefox and brave and tor browser and mullvad browser. There isn’t anything too bad about brave though

CorrodedCranium ,
@CorrodedCranium@leminal.space avatar

Have you ever tried Librewolf?

flowerofanarchy ,

we use it for I2P

beigegull ,

Firefox died long ago.

It was an engine fight, and Mozilla decided not to participate.

Makeshift ,

Firefox? dead?! you mean the browser that peaked in user share in 2009 and has even declining ever since?? no! say it ain’t so! surely if I post a few more memes to lemmy it will turn things around

Jean_le_Flambeur ,

Steam is chromium, in every device/OS?

kaesaecracker ,

well probably except on iOS, there you have to use Safari

smileyhead ,

Build in browser is Chromium and I think Big Picture mode can be too

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

id still probably use an chromium browser

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

along with firefox and stuff

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Safari still uses the WebKit engine… right?

Google Chrome used to use WebKit before switching to their own weird engine that a whole bunch of other browsers now use.

notenoughbutter ,

google uses blink which is forked from WebKit

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks for reminding me of what the hell it was called

Viking_Hippie ,

Named as such because, like Weeping Angels, if you blink you’ll be sent back to a society without enforcement of antitrust laws

Zeragamba ,
@Zeragamba@lemmy.ca avatar

I don’t understand this argument about antitrust laws. As far as i know Google hasn’t done anything to block other companies from making their own search engines or browsers. Nor does Value and Steam, nor Microsoft and Windows.

Viking_Hippie ,

WEI checks if your browser and system is “genuine” and “unmodified” before letting you access any content “protected” by it, which inevitably leads to smaller and custom mods that don’t fit their predetermined criteria for “genuineness” being locked out, which in turn forces you to use Google (and Microsoft and Apple, they’re in on it too) products in order to access certain content and eventually the entire internet, just as surely as it’s almost completely impossible to avoid their Google Analytics malware.

And before you say “that’s a ridiculous slippery slope fallacy! That’ll never happen!”, Logitech is already requiring you to go to a website that will only open in Chromium browsers in order to pair devices with the Logitech Unifying Receiver.

vacuumflower ,

nor Microsoft and Windows.

Come on, this is ridiculous.

mansauce ,

actually the name of Blink engine is quite interesting, it was named after the non-standard html blink tag and ironically it never supported it. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(browser_engine)…)

Catweazle ,
@Catweazle@vivaldi.net avatar

@notenoughbutter @Resol, and WebKit is a fork from KHtml made by the German KDE.
Blink is the most used engine, because it's the most compatible with current web standarts, even somewhat more than Gecko. If Apple's Safari insist in it's WebKit, the most outdated engine, it's become the new IE in a near Future.

nonearther ,

When Google forked from WebKit to create Blink, they had genuine reasons for it.

Apple was stalling any progress of web by stalling new features in WebKit. They wanted to push their native apps and get big cut from developers’ money.

Google had to fork and progress web dev further.

And unfortunately for us, Google folks are greedy assholes who stop at nothing to own everything web even if they have to bend everything.

WEI is a perfect example.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I never expected to fall down a rabbit hole.

vacuumflower ,

Apple was stalling any progress of web by stalling new features in WebKit. They wanted to push their native apps and get big cut from developers’ money.

I mean, whatever their reasons, for World Wide Web of hypertext pages the list of necessary features shouldn’t be so long.

So a good thing.

Anyway, that battle is long lost, so I’m just slowly moving my “internet reading” needs into Gemini. Friends I can’t move, though.

pingveno ,

If most of what you want out of the web is browsing static web pages, halting development of standards is fine. But if you want to expose capabilities through the browser like location that are available on new platforms instead of relying on platform-specific apps, you’re going to need new features.

vacuumflower ,

I don’t want that. WWW is not intended for that.

If you want that, there’s been Flash and Java applets at least allowing whatever you’d like.

That was the correct way to put cross-platform applications into webpages.

Don’t tell me about security problems in those, these are present in any piece of software and fixed with new versions, just like with the browser itself.

pingveno ,

I don’t want that. WWW is not intended for that.

Okay, then links awaits you. I’d rather use something that enables powerful in-browser web applications while not relying on a host of proprietary bug ridden plugins.

vacuumflower ,

Okay, then links awaits you.

It’s a client for the same broken thing.

while not relying on a host of proprietary bug ridden plugins

This is utter bullshit.

Obfuscated JS is not any less proprietary or bug-ridden than Java bytecode.

bennypr0fane ,

It gets worse. All Electron applications are Chromium, too.

NPC ,

I wouldn’t be surprised if my electric toothbrush is somehow running chromium

hai ,
@hai@lemmy.ml avatar

How much RAM you got on that toothbrush!?

FlightyPenguin ,
@FlightyPenguin@lemmy.world avatar

Can it run Crysis?

BeardedGingerWonder ,

Only gamers get that joke

Iceblade02 ,

Chromium is everywhere…

Frub ,

Am I the only one who doesn’t get the hate on chromium? I mean it’s fast, it works and nobody forces you to use Google’s proprietary chrome. You can use anything you want

Kevnyon ,
@Kevnyon@lemmy.world avatar

Well they don’t directly force you to use it, but when basically all of the most popular browsers (including the default browser of Windows) are Chromium based, that means that developers optimize their sites for that first and foremost. And combined with Google’s amp protocol, which adds control for them, it means that they can dictate many terms for these other companies. It’s like sure, you can use Vimeo to upload your video, but who the hell is gonna see it when there’s YouTube? Same thing here, why use some other standard (such as what Firefox is doing) when the support for Chromium is that much greater, even though it’s more restrictive in others.

kamenoko ,

Laughs in Internet Explorer 6

brb ,

Manifest V3 and WEI

wolf ,

IMHO nobody sane hates a technology.

The big problem is Chromes and Googles dominance over the internet. Even at this moment, there are sites that don’t work with Firefox/alternate browsers at all.

Stating that people can use alternative browsers is theoretically correct, but in reality one is forced to have a Chromium based browser installed for the websites/services one has to access. (My main browser is Firefox and I have a Chromium backup browser on every device, not by my choice.)

Combine this with the push of Google to prevent adblocking and centralize control of the internet at one place, and we are on our way to a real shit show.

You can happily search for the history of Internet Explorer in the 2000s, for a taste of what is yet to come.

In case Googles agenda has not affected you, yet, you should really ponder if

a.) Googles agenda will never affect you negatively in the future b.) Googles agenda will never affect people you care about in the future

In the end, I don’t hate Chrome, Chromium or any other browser based on this technology. I really don’t like the direction things are developing and I remember the monopolies of the past in IT, which were only of benefit for the monopolists.

Frub ,

So basically the problem is google itself, not chromium

atyaz ,

Okay. But google controls chromium, and everything that goes in it. And they’re using that control to change how the internet works. So just saying that “chromium is a problem” can be considered a useful shorthand so you don’t have to explain that every time.

Frub ,

Photoshop isn’t a bad product but adobe sucks

atyaz ,

I’m not sure what you mean exactly but I think you might be missing the point. Google is using chromium’s ubiquity to exert control over how the internet works. Chromium being so ubiquitous makes it so web servers can lock out other web browsers.

If you want the entire internet to work like an adobe product, where one company has absolute control over it, then yeah your analogy works. But the whole point is people don’t want that.

Frub ,

What I mean is that chromium (essentially) has a monopoly on browser market share, similar with Photoshop. I don’t mean it’s a good thing when it’s like that, but it doesn’t make them bad products

MixedRaceHumanAI ,

Google, or let say the Chromium group, can easily implement “features” that are already present in proprietary Google Chrome, and easily control the Internet and its users’ personalized settings.

Indeed, Chromium-built browsers have smooth user experience and simplicity, but at what cost?

Competition will be dead.

Frub ,

Can’t third parties modify the source code?

OrnateLuna ,

Yes but no, there are 2 options you either submit a commit and chromium can accept that code or you fork the project and then you have to maintain it and add features yourself. So while they could it would require a ton more effort to keeping it up to datw

Frub ,

Then if this is such a pressing issue why has no one done so? I’d expect such a high number of people shitting on google to have the combined power to at least try to make a fork. But idk

OrnateLuna ,

It’s just the scale of the project and perhaps something is already being discussed but it’s an incredibly high workload plus it wouldn’t actually solve the issue that basically everything uses chromium and even if you fork it people might not use the fork anyways

EqMinMax ,
@EqMinMax@lemmy.world avatar

epiphany and falkon goes away…

deanne ,
@deanne@lemmy.world avatar

well,epiphany isn’t really chromium. it’s webkit instead

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