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Hotdogman , to lemmyshitpost in Oh no. OH NO.

Sea salt, cheese flavor sparkling water…

I don’t even know what to fn say.

M0oP0o ,
@M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar

“YES”

HawlSera , to memes in Firefox is the only way.

Wait STEAM AND DISCORD ARE CHROMIUM?

Redex68 ,

Yeah, just wrappers. Steam wasn’t untill fairly recently, but they were slowly switching to it for some time.

Holzkohlen ,

So that’s why it runs worse now.

figaro ,

It all makes sense

HawlSera ,

Not a good idea if Google be pulling some shit

deus ,

Yeah, it’s weird for them to rely on Google considering how hard Valve has worked to make Steam independent from MS.

Jakeroxs ,

Chromium isn’t technically Google

Dubious_Fart ,

Still serves googles goal of control over the internet.

Da_Boom ,
@Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

It’s maintained by Google, which is pretty much the same thing - in the end, they get to decide what features get implemented and what doesn’t make the cut. Sure we can fork it, and we can make our own, but in the end as long as their code is the main base, they have a lot of control over all the different forks, as usually the forks will have to keep rebasing their code off of new updates to stay as secure and up to date as possible.

smileyhead ,

It is, good luck hard forking such a huge codebase.

Jakeroxs ,

I mean what would stop a company from doing that? I get why they don’t, because a lot of changes and fixes get implemented into the code from various companies/individuals, but if you had enough manpower and money, it could be done.

smileyhead ,

Exaclly money and manpower. Noone is going to do it.

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

It probably doesn’t matter for what they do. There isn’t really much need for an ad blocker on a browser that’s going to a store page which is essentially an ad for a product in and of itself. A steam user actually wants that store page to load, why would there be a need for a store page?

And they could transition to something else if Google does something that affects them.

Redex68 ,

I don’t think it’s too weird. So many apps today are just Chromium wrappers. It’s just easier to use a premade base, plus you don’t have to develop the web and desktop version independently, they can literally be the same code.

BeardedGingerWonder ,

While that’s fairly typical and good practice in dev circles, we’re talking about a company that’s single handedly elevated an entire OS to prevent a big company taking too much power. I think the key here is they don’t really compete with Google.

drathvedro ,

Yep, just like slack, spotify, and anything else looking fancy while wasting few gigs of ram to just open. They’re built on electron, which is practically chrome without tabs.

qwertychomp ,

I wish they could bring back mozilla prism. Like all this electron web app shit is popular, so we don’t we use the faster and more efficient browser engine and use gecko!

unexpectedteapot ,

Speaking of Mozilla, the project they dropped and fired all of their employees working on it all while giving CEO a million dollar raise, the same one that provided most of the performance improvements in the Quantum update, Servo is targetting being an embedded solution. floss.social/

isVeryLoud ,

Nice, I didn’t know Servo was still being developed!

This whole Chromium fiasco is partially Mozilla’s fault, they let Google grab the embedded browser monopoly by making Firefox hard to componentize and letting Electron take all the market share. No competition.

ArcticLynx ,

Do I still use chromium when I visit the steam website via firefox?

kurosawaa ,

No, its the steam app that runs on Chromium.

boeman ,

Visual studio code is chromium.

stebo02 ,
@stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

dies

Da_Boom ,
@Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Anything that uses the electron framework uses chromium.

Although in the case of steam they are using the Chromium Embedded Framework(CEF) to embed the steam store into their interface, as well as to power the steam overlays browser.

The worst part is, the CEF really is the only way to implement browsers inside other interfaces. OBS uses it too for it’s browser source. There really isn’t any alternatives - if only FF could create it’s own Firefox Embedded Framework to compete, but that’s probably not in the cards due to costs. Mozilla is a not for profit relying on donations and grants.

And electron is a method for creating desktop app interfaces using website code, it’s used for the interfaces of Discord, slack, teams, Streamlabs (yeah they ripped out the OBS Qt interface and replaced it with electron), and sooo many other modern applications that it’s hard to make track of. And it uses essentially the same thing as CEF at its heart.

Basically any website can be wrapped in an electron wrapper to produce a standalone desktop app.

HawlSera ,

Yeah, but Google putting their fuckery in it is the issue.

ImplyingImplications , to memes in The Chad English Gammon:

Luv me chips. Hate gulls. Simple as.

vext01 ,
@vext01@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

So I turns around, and I sez…

Dagwood222 , to workreform in There's a steep decline in pay compared to the value workers add to the economy, closely tracking the fall in union membership.

It started with Ronald Reagan going after PATCO, the air traffic controllers’ union. They had supported him in the 1980 election, one of the few Unions to do so. When they went on strike, he fired them all, and refused to rehire. The FAA was left scrambling for controllers.

Whenever you look at the death of the American dream, you see Ronnie Reagan.

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  • Dagwood222 ,

    Reagan signed a contract so bad that even arch-conservative Bob Hope called it a ‘give away.’ He made it possible for talent agencies to become producers, so the guy negotiating your contract was also your employer. On top of that he spied on his members for the FBI.

    JokeDeity , to programmer_humor in data secured

    I keep seeing this sentiment from people who are supposedly savvy with computers. I never have to question where a file was saved to on Windows and I’m not sure why you guys do.

    _cerpin_taxt_ ,

    Right? Seems like Linux fanboy propaganda. If you don’t know where your file saves to, you’re probably incompetent and shouldn’t be near a computer. Even the most incompetent of users in my 15 year IT career know how to save something and where it’s saving to.

    bernadetteee ,

    You’d probably experience it if you were in a OneDrive/sharepoint/teams bla bla bla shop. The AutoSave defaults to On, the default destination is (I think?) the user home folder in OneDrive, and the default Save As does not pop up the system dialog, only your Recents. I feel this meme for sure and I’m a 25-year IT professional. It’s just poorly built user interaction, that someone in the bowels of M$oft thought would be “easier” but it took away most of the visibility and control from the user.

    _cerpin_taxt_ ,

    Eh that threw me off when it was new but it’s been a thing for about a decade at this point. My work is all-in on Azure and this has never confused any users as far as I’ve seen, and we’ve got some incredibly ignorant users. Everyone just hits “browse” from that screen and you’re back to the old school save screen.

    GeneralEmergency ,

    I’ve been seeing that a lot recently. And having been curious before, I never want to touch it.

    JokeDeity ,

    How do you know if a user is a bot?

    Little8Lost ,

    sometimes i am not sure when like paint that saved the filepath for the pic that was made a few months before. In that case i use save as again to look where it should have put my file and copy the path

    JokeDeity ,

    I’m having trouble understanding your sentence.

    Little8Lost ,

    MS paint saves stuff to the last given location.

    When i save something without remembering the location i try to save my file again, so it gives me a explorer pop up so i see the location again

    JokeDeity ,

    Odd, I just tested this and clicking save brought up a window for me, it was not automatically to the last location, and I use the program at least once a month so it’s not my first time running it or anything.

    wpuckering ,
    @wpuckering@lm.williampuckering.com avatar

    Same here, I’ve never had this problem, ever. I don’t even get how it’s possible to not know where your files are being saved if you are the least bit techsavvy.

    abir_vandergriff ,

    I’ve questioned it before when I just didn’t watch where it went, but it usually takes just a few seconds to figure it out most of the time.

    Now Android on the other hand…

    JokeDeity ,

    Here fucking here. I never don’t have a hard time figuring out where a saved file went on my phone. And every app seems to have it’s own idea of where the best place to put downloaded files should be.

    amio ,

    Garden variety low effort meme. haha windows (or windass or windowns or whatever) bad so funiiii lolololololo etc - a few linuxmemes are basically... this.

    Not sure what it does in programmer humor though - if you, as a programmer, find yourself in this situation... just git gud?

    QuazarOmega ,
    
    <span style="color:#323232;">git: 'gud' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.
    </span>
    
    JokeDeity ,

    pip install good

    Potatos_are_not_friends ,

    It’s easy to call oneself tech savvy when they can Google a tutorial

    Hogger85b ,

    Yep it's just click top.toolbar see the breadcrumbs....it used to be a problem 15years ago and I still.question the name it uses when I open a file from outlook (why not downloads) but is pretty easy to find again

    isosphere ,

    Office is weird about it because of their OneDrive product

    fidodo ,

    In my experience it’s easiest to find things in Linux, next easiest in Windows, and on OSX, good luck with that.

    zerofk ,

    One of the very very very few good features of macOS: cmd-click the title bar of a document window to pop up a window with the document location.

    It does not work on Microsoft’s products on macOS though.

    worfamerryman ,

    Windows seems to have irregular behavior in this regard. It usually defaults to the downloads folder. But sometimes it defaults to the last folder I saved a file to.

    It might just be windows being buggy or something, but there were a number of time where I hit save and then the file is not where I expected it to be.

    I could have prevented the mistake by paying attention first, but windows could also be consistent.

    Droggelbecher ,

    It’s not that we literally can’t find it, it’s just that it seems needlessly annoying on windows/ios/android after you get used to Linux

    JokeDeity ,

    What’s different for you? I’ve used Ubuntu and Raspbian before and it all seemed about the same as Windows to me.

    kylua , (edited ) to memes in Scrubs is pretty good

    Oh Elliot. Such girl, perfect booty

    To this day Scrubs still is the show with most hot girls I’ve watched.

    Scrubs though. My favourite TV show and my first source of information for sex-related topics during my teenage years as we didn’t really have a pc until later and sex was, and still is, regarded as taboo to my Catholic parents.

    I’m thankful this show exists.

    TheAmishMan ,
    @TheAmishMan@lemmy.world avatar

    I still remember all the specific scenes i would pause on my ipod video in my early teenage years when i was doing… Research

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    Voted most accurate TV medical show!

    Other than all the babes, but I’m not complaining.

    Case ,

    I worked in a pediatric hospital… attractive ladies were a dime a dozen. All batshit crazy though.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    This is, uh, not the case in the south, unless you’re into Ruben.

    6daemonbag ,

    Not in my south. I had to switch pediatrics to follow my doctor, who left because one of the other doctors and an RN slept with a patient’s father. And they were all previously married. Everyone who worked there was attractive and also crazy. The new clinic is still filled with hot people, but they don’t sleep with patients’ guardians. AFAIK lol

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    Uh, which hospital? No reason.

    Poggervania ,
    @Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

    Jesus Christ, how horrible! Which hospital was it specifically so I can avoid them in the near future?

    Bakkoda ,

    That’s exactly my type

    kylua ,

    Yes I remember that. Also it happened more than once that patients seeking treatment stopped by thinking that previously dismissed hospital resumed operations 😂

    Fazoo ,
    @Fazoo@lemmy.ml avatar

    Prior to House MD. Scrubs launched 2001 and House in 2004. House MD is arguably the most accurate medical show to exist, mainly because the majority of wacky medical mysteries came from actual doctors. It is still TV of course, but real stories can’t be beat by Hollywood make believe.

    _bac ,

    The cases may be real, however medicine is never done like in House.

    Fazoo ,
    @Fazoo@lemmy.ml avatar

    The application of cutting corners, but the actual science and interplay of symptoms is accurate.

    AngryCommieKender ,

    That’s what they are saying. Sure House is scientifically accurate as far as the symptoms and diseases.

    Scrubs is far more accurate, because that’s what practicing medicine in a hospital can be like, and they show how medicine is actually practiced, as opposed to House’s “Superdoc” approach.

    Fazoo ,
    @Fazoo@lemmy.ml avatar

    That’s just turning the argument into “Do you want realistic medical science” or “realistic day to day operations of a hospital”.

    I’m not going to argue over surveys and personal opinion. I’m in it for the science of disease, not how a hospital functions.

    zatanas ,

    A fair and valid point.
    I like that these shows give us, the audience, the ability to see into a world which we may not already get a chance to do so on a regular basis, from different viewing angles, while still managing to keep the stories interesting in their own way.

    I liked both shows. Each was great in their own merit.

    Tavarin ,
    @Tavarin@lemmy.ca avatar

    mainly because the majority of wacky medical mysteries came from actual doctors

    Same with Scrubs. What makes Scrubs a lot more accurate is most of the times doctors aren’t dealing with crazy medical mysteries.

    Noughmad ,

    The medical conditions might be more realistic in House, but the process and behavior of people certainly aren’t.

    It’s similar with programming on TV. If you look at Mr. Robot, all the hacking methods and computer jargon are really accurate, down to KDE vs. GNOME rivalry, but the plot is total fantasy and nobody behaves as real programmers do. On the other hand, Silicon Valley is more like scrubs - the software is made up, it’s a comedy, but the story and people are 100% realistic (except better dressed, since it’s still Hollywood).

    Rossel , (edited )

    Nah, not really. House has 2 episodes where the writers invented diseases (only 2 on the entire run is very respectable though), but more than that, it’s not realistic to have 4 docs working on one case all week. And the cases are very unrealistic in the sense that a lot are not mysteries. If you’re an MD/DO, you can see some of the diagnoses coming a mile away while House and his team pretend it’s a super rare thing. I particularly remember one of the Lyme disease episodes where I got the diagnosis almost immediately, and I was still on med school.

    On the other hand, Scrubs gets the lifestyle of an intern right. Except there’s a lot less sex in real life lol.

    EnderMB ,

    For a long time I absolutely hated Zach Braff because he had an uncanny ability to have love interests that matched mine.

    Sarah Chalke, Mandy Moore, Heather Graham, Elizabeth Banks, Tara Reid - basically a conveyor belt of women I was in love with as a teen.

    TrismegistusMx ,
    @TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world avatar

    perfect booty

    You mean ole mole butt?

    anarchyrabbit ,

    Elliot was hot!! I had a huge crush on her. I was always like “JD! You dumass!”. I think this is a typical method to get viewers emotionally invested. Like Joey and Dawson in Dawson’s creek. Probably a ton of these examples.

    kylua ,

    +1 to the Elliot crush club

    toynbee ,

    Time to watch Rick and Morty!

    galoisghost , to memes in Piper Perri probably watched this movie growing up
    @galoisghost@aussie.zone avatar
    Sauerbraten ,

    Risky click of the day…

    dabster291 ,
    @dabster291@lemmy.zip avatar

    was it safe? (don’t wanna take the risk)

    edit: took the risk, it’s safe

    devious , to lemmyshitpost in Part of a balanced diet

    I have done this, and the only thing I regretted is not eating more olives.

    saltesc ,

    I run out of olives, then tell myself not to do it, but still sneak a sip of juice from the jar.

    “You’re disgusting.”

    “DON’T YOU JUDGE ME, ME!”

    ApathyTree ,
    @ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Fun fact - a sip or two of pickle juice is a great cure for heartburn. I don’t even like pickles, but I’ll do it because it works.

    I can’t stand olives, even more than I dislike pickles, so idk if olive juice would do the same, but it is, at least, not grosser from an objective view 😅

    Timecircleline ,

    I’ve heard apple cider vinegar shots being helpful for the same reason

    n3m37h ,

    Yeah, by giving you immense heartburn for 30 seconds

    Agent641 ,

    Drinking pickle juice is a dangerous game. Misjudge your jar tilt and one of those slippery bois will just shoot down your gullet and shuffle you off this mortal coil in the blink of a cucumber.

    Spliffman1 ,
    @Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

    Olive oil is very healthy, has anyone tried pickle oil I wonder?

    new_acct_who_dis ,

    Would that just be cucumber oil?

    Spliffman1 ,
    @Spliffman1@lemmy.world avatar

    Well yes and maybe no lol, if the oil is extracted after the pickling process it probably has added features and benefits

    Blackmist , to programmerhumor in Every tech company rn
    h_a_r_u_k_i ,
    @h_a_r_u_k_i@programming.dev avatar

    It’s sad to see it spit out text from the training set without the actual knowledge of date and time. Like it would be more awesome if it could call time.Now(), but it 'll be a different story.

    Blackmist ,

    if you ask it today’s date, it actually does that.

    It just doesn’t have any actual knowledge of what it’s saying. I asked it a programming question as well, and each time it would make up a class that doesn’t exist, I’d tell it it doesn’t exist, and it would go “You are correct, that class was deprecated in {old version}”. It wasn’t. I checked. It knows what the excuses look like in the training data, and just apes them.

    It spouts convincing sounding bullshit and hopes you don’t call it out. It’s actually surprisingly human in that regard.

    danielbln , (edited )

    Bard is kind of trash though. GPT-4 tends to so much better in my experience.

    focus ,

    they are both shit at adding and subtracting numbers, dates and whatnot… they both cant do basic math unfortunately

    danielbln ,

    It’s a language model, I don’t know why you would expect math. Tell it to output code to perform the math, that’ll work just fine.

    focus ,

    I know. It’s still baffling how much it messes up when adding two numbers.

    danielbln ,

    I just asked GPT-4:

    What’s 7 * 8 divided by 10, to the power of 3?

    Its reply:

    Let’s break this down step by step:

    First, multiply 7 and 8 to get 56.

    Then, divide 56 by 10 to get 5.6.

    Finally, raise 5.6 to the power of 3 (5.6 * 5.6 * 5.6) to get 175.616.

    So, 7 * 8 divided by 10, to the power of 3 equals 175.616

    focus ,

    It’s pretty hit or miss though… I’ve had lots of good calculations with the odd wrong one sprinkled in, making it unreliable for doing maths. Mostly because it presents the result with absolute certainty.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    It’s not baffling at all… It’s a language model, not a math robot. It’s designed to write English sentences, not to solve math problems.

    triclops6 ,

    Then it should say so instead of attempting and failing at the one thing computers are supposed to be better than us at

    danielbln ,

    Well, if I try to use Photoshop to calculate a polynomial it’s not gonna work all that well either, right tool for the job and all.

    triclops6 ,

    And if Photoshop had a way to ask it for such, it’d be a mistake.

    Gpt thinking it knows something and hallucinating is ultimatelya bug, not a feature, no matter what the apologists say

    Blackmist ,

    I haven’t used GPT-4 for that, but it’s all dependent on the data fed into it. Like if you ask a question about Javascript, there’s loads of that out there for it to look at. But ask it about Delphi, and it’ll be less accurate.

    And they’ll both suffer from the same issue, which is when they reach the edge of their “knowledge”, they don’t realise it and output data anyway. They don’t know what they don’t know.

    danielbln ,

    These LLMs generally and GPT-4 in particular really shine if you supply enough and the right context. Give it some code to refactor, to turn hastily slapped together code into idiomatic and well written code, align a code snippet to a different design pattern etc. Platforms like phind.com pull in web search results as you interact with them to give you more correct and current information etc.

    LLMs are by no means a panacea and have serious limitations, but they are also magic for certain tasks and something I would be very, very sad to miss in my day to day.

    scarabic ,

    It’s super weird that it would attempt to give a time duration at all, and then get it wrong.

    dan ,
    @dan@upvote.au avatar

    It doesn’t know what it’s doing. It doesn’t understand the concept of the passage of time or of time itself. It just knows that that particular sequence of words fits well together.

    hellishharlot ,

    This is it. Gpt is great for taking stack traces and put them into human words. It’s also good at explaining individual code snippets. It’s not good at coming up with code, content, or anything. It’s just good at saying things that sound like a human within an exceedingly small context

    scarabic ,

    Yeah. I would also say that WE don’t understand what it means to “understand” something, really, if you try to explain it with any thoroughness or precision. You can spit out a bunch of words about it right now, I’m sure, but so could ChatGPT. What’s missing from GPT is harder to explain than “it doesn’t understand things.”

    I actually find it easier to just explain how it does work. Multidimensional word graphs and such.

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    THAT

    OR

    They’re all linked fifth dimensional infants struggling to comprehend the very concept of linear time, and will make us pay for their enslavement in blood.

    One of the two.

    tjaden ,
    @tjaden@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    It spouts convincing sounding bullshit and hopes you don’t call it out. It’s actually surprisingly human in that regard.

    Oh great, Silicon Valley’s AI is just an overconfident intern!

    ram ,
    @ram@lemmy.ca avatar

    Oh great, Silicon Valley’s AI is just a major tech executive!

    jungekatz ,
    @jungekatz@lib.lgbt avatar

    They are mostly large language models , I have trained few smaller models myself, they generally splurt out next word depending on the last word , another thing they are incapable of, is spontaneous generation, they heavily depend on the question , or a preceding string ! But most companies are portraying it as AGI , already !

    jungekatz ,
    @jungekatz@lib.lgbt avatar

    Well obviously a language model is trained on old data , google has been webscraping the data to provide this!

    neptune , to memes in When someone makes a crude joke on the internet

    The shit posters drive a wedge in a community and the people who don’t like the “innocent” jokes leave. This makes fertile ground for ideological take over. Rinse and repeat in Fandoms, subreddits, message boards, etc.

    letsgocrazy ,

    Alternatively, the people who are so brittle that shit-posting causes them to somehow turn on half of the community were always going to volatile puritans.

    neptune ,

    What? Maybe some people join communities for fun and togetherness. Not amateur hour jew jokes or whatever.

    letsgocrazy ,

    I agree. But the discussion was shit-posting, not racist jokes, or am I missing something?

    neptune ,

    A careful read of the meme shows were talking about edgy, borderline right wing shit postings.

    UsernameIsTooLon ,

    Except it’s not so black and white. Crude jokes can be funny and unfunny. Shit-posting is one thing but offensive jokes just often repeat themselves and I can understand wanting something new every now and then.

    Kaped ,
    neptune ,

    Very enlightening meme you have added to the conversation.

    isVeryLoud ,

    Schizo*

    RecklessDwark ,

    “Everyone who disagrees with my narrow worldview is mentally unwell, and other stories for children on the internet”

    Written by self-isolation With illustrations by social media Featuring a forward by my racist uncle who would sneak me beers at family picnics

    gothicdecadence ,

    Relevant video

    youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g

    PipedLinkBot ,

    Here is an alternative Piped link(s): piped.video/P55t6eryY3g

    Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

    I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.

    hevov ,

    Thanks, with piped I can watch the video in the EU without loging in.

    vector ,

    attabot

    Kronusdark ,
    @Kronusdark@lemmy.world avatar

    I totally anticipated an Innuendo Studios link and wasn’t disappointed. Bravo.

    vector ,

    oh I havent been aware of them, what a great watch.

    MossyFeathers , to memes in When someone makes a crude joke on the internet

    Respectfully mention that it’s kinda insensitive, kinda like, “hey man, don’t you think that’s kinda insensitive?” and you’ll probably figure out fairly quickly which one is the answer. Additionally, if they legit don’t know why it’s insensitive, then you can educate them!

    Just remember that tone can be difficult to convey on the internet, and sometimes you have to exaggerate the intended tone for it to be understood. Additionally, in my experience, asking the question from the other person’s perspective (“don’t you think that’s kinda insensitive” vs “I think that’s kinda insensitive”) seems to help a lot.

    DominicHillsun ,

    How about just deal with it? Internet is meant to be free space, that includes racists, bigots, rednecks, people you disagree with.

    Lemmy is worried about 1984 but in actuality is becoming Fahrenheit 451.

    senicar ,
    dlpkl ,

    Hey man, don’t you think that’s kinda insensitive?

    Misconduct ,

    Yeah, no. The Internet isn’t meant to be a safe space for bigots. They’re free to post and everyone else is free to chase them back under the rock where they belong.

    metaStatic ,

    While you're not wrong he said free space not safe space

    Taleya ,

    And had it pointed out they’re free to post …just not free from consequences.

    Unleash the kevins.

    metaStatic ,

    and this is where the conversation usually devolves into a hate fuck of everyone actually agreeing but they used the wrong words so I'm all in on you being the bad guy now.

    MossyFeathers ,

    People have the right to say what they want (at least in the US, mostly), which includes people voicing their disagreement with stuff. It’s a two-way street and we’re better off with it that way. You can’t force someone to listen to you, just like someone can’t force you to listen to them.

    What you can do, however, is attempt to educate people if they’re willing to be educated. If successful in doing so, you help decrease the amount of bigotry that exists. In my opinion, attempting to engage with an individual to determine their intent is a way of dealing with it. Why stay silent when you could help make the world a better place?

    z3rOR0ne ,

    Nobody on the left is burning books if you’d look outside your bunker asshole.

    Eleazar ,

    Nobody on the right is either lmao. People who think this shit are reaching as far as the Q lunatics.

    HikingVet ,

    They aren’t burning books YET, but the right sure as fuck are bringing bans into place.

    gizmonicus ,

    My brother in Christ, you are conflating free speech with the freedom from consequences. You are free to express your opinions. You will not be arrested for that. You can use the internet however you wish to express whatever opinions you have, no matter how stupid or hateful they are.

    However, if your opinion sucks, the community will “deal with it” by down voting your dumb ass, and if you piss enough people off, you’ll get banned. Your rights have not been infringed. You’re just an asshole and people don’t want to listen to you anymore. You can freely go complain about it somewhere else.

    I’m sure there is a community on the Internet that would welcome your shitty opinions into their little echo chamber. Go there if you don’t like it here. Or, as you say: “deal with it”.

    NewNewAccount ,

    Deal with what, exactly?

    stratoscaster ,

    “but why can’t I say offensive shit, it’s so funny every single time”

    It’s not, edgy humor is stale especially the likes of 4chan

    dannoffs ,
    @dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Lemmy is worried about 1984 but in actuality is becoming Fahrenheit 451.

    I don’t think you’ve read either book because that analogy makes absolutely no sense.

    DominicHillsun ,

    I’ll make the analogy more clear to you. In 1984 the government got absolute information control, thats what you guys are worried about. In Fahrenheit 451 people themselves censored everything that offended anyone, eventually leading to all the books being burnt.

    People have opinions, and lemmy is becoming a worse echochamber than reddit.

    HikingVet ,

    Oh so you ARE and ignorant, uninformed shitbag.

    ChargedBasisGrand ,

    insulting someone’s intelligence while being unable to form a sentence will always be funny

    Elderos ,

    Except the irony here is that the people we don’t want here are those offended by everything, like different people existing, and are also the one banning books. most people aren’t as easily offended as you make out to be, but most people expect jokes and behavior to be done in good taste, which translates to meaning no harms and no hate. only extremists of all sorts usually break that “rule”.

    starman2112 ,

    But nobody is burning books, we’re just saying don’t be a piece of shit on our website. If you feel like being a piece of shit, boards.4chan.org/b/ is right here, perfectly safe and unburned.

    new_acct_who_dis ,

    Love you telling on yourself with that list

    icepuncher69 ,

    Hey, leave rednecks out of it, the real ones mostly whant to be left alone and the more political ones are just syndicalist and pro workers rights. The nazi ones are city dwellers that own small dick energy trucks.

    ComradeR ,

    I didn’t knew that about good rednecks! I only knew it about the good skinheads. But, today I learned…

    Rodeo ,

    Man I know lots of small town rednecks and none of them are pro workers rights.

    They’ve all been fooled into believing trickle down economics and at least half are anti vaxxers and while most aren’t vocal about LGBT stuff they all roll their eyes and wouldn’t give a shit if trans people were crucified. Oh and they all have oversized trucks just like every redneck does.

    I don’t know where this idea of good rednecks comes from, there’s plenty of good people but they aren’t rednecks.

    icepuncher69 ,

    Well fuck them i guess. Might as well label every single person that lives in rural areas your enemy if you are gonna generalize that much.

    Rodeo ,

    I guess I wasn’t clear enough in my last sentence, so me spell it out for you:

    There’s plenty of good people in rural areas but they aren’t rednecks.

    icepuncher69 ,

    You wherent, you said good people cannot be rednecks, i.e. rural people. But wathever i dont whanna keep arguing about this. Just dont hate people because they have a rural lifestile, Ok?

    Rodeo ,

    Where is this idea that rural equals redneck coming from? Now who’s generalizing, good lord

    HikingVet ,

    Pull you head out of your ass.

    icepuncher69 ,

    Nobody asked you troll.

    zer0nix ,

    Nah, I’m not letting the racists claim redneck. I’m not letting them take Jeff Foxworthy

    Revan343 ,

    I don’t believe that you’ve read either book

    narwhalperson ,
    zer0nix ,

    I hate concern trolls even more than I do being confused with a nazi, and I’m pretty average so ymmv

    lasagna , to interestingasfuck in How a road changed over thousands of years
    @lasagna@programming.dev avatar

    Back when trader squids roamed the planet

    timetravelingnoodles ,

    I’d shop at a store named Trader Squids, that sounds awesome

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I’m more of a bartering squid.

    funkless ,

    I long to end the age of capitsquidism and return to a ancephalo-communist way of living

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Squids of the world, unite! We have nothing to lose but our ink!

    yuunikki , to mildlyinfuriating in A new trend in tipping emerges

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  • Jackthelad ,

    Tipping seems to be a cultural thing in the States.

    Here in the UK we take the Mr. Pink approach to tipping.

    NocturnalEngineer ,

    During the UK lockdowns, I tipped all the front line workers where I could. That’s it.

    I’m not tipping someone as compensation for doing their job, that’s what their employer is for.

    cynar ,

    I tip for exceptional service. If someone goes above and beyond what’s required of them, I leave a tip. I also tip if I make their lives more difficult that they should have been.

    Dealing with our general public, during COVID definitely counts as both. Particularly with the number of people who couldn’t figure out how to wear a mask. At the same time, I also didn’t go out much during the pandemic, mostly due to the whole pandemic thing going on.

    Thorny_Thicket ,

    What is exceptional service? How is it different from bad service? As an introverted north european I never figured this out myself. For me good service means I don’t need to wait too long for my food/get the check but other than that I want to be left alone. I imagine I would find “good service” quite uncomfortable.

    cynar ,

    It’s generally context and individual specific. E.g. a bed delivery driver is paid to get it to your door. If they also lug it up the stairs to the loft room, that is exceptional service.

    Another might be a restaurant team who deal particularly well with a food allergy. E.g. making specific checks of requirements, and going out of their way to make a dish in a safe manner. Rather than just saying it’s not an option.

    NuPNuA ,

    Have you noticed all take aways have delivery charges in the UK since Covid? I assume it’s because few of us have cash about anymore so the drivers aren’t getting tipped.

    tony ,

    Last time I tried to tip a delivery driver im the UK they said they can’t take it…

    Given we pay for delivery though and it’s difficult to see what a driver could do above and beyond that isn’t just ‘doing their job’ that’s probably a good thing, provided they’re getting a decent amount of it.

    NuPNuA ,

    It’s about how fast it got there for me in the past, which I know isn’t always in their control, but there needs to be some criteria.

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    It stopped being a cultural thing decades ago. Now it’s about about companies not paying employees a living wage and America’s right wing constantly blocking legislation that would force employers to pay people enough to have shelter and food.

    entropicdrift ,
    @entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    It actually started as an economic thing too, because businesses during the great depression weren’t able to consistently pay living wages.

    nocturne213 ,

    It started much earlier than that and has roots in racism. time.com/…/history-tipping-american-restaurants-c…

    After the Constitution was amended in the wake of the Civil War, slavery was ended as an institution but those who were freed from bondage were still limited in their choices. Many who did not end up sharecropping worked in menial positions, such as servants, waiters, barbers and railroad porters. These were pretty much the only occupations available to them. For restaurant workers and railroad porters, there was a catch: many employers would not actually pay these workers, under the condition that guests would offer a small tip instead.

    Thorny_Thicket ,

    It was originally a way to be able to hire black people and not pay them

    derf82 ,

    It used to be quite the opposite. Tipping was big in Europe but not in the US.

    That changed with Prohibition. When alcohol was banned, there was suddenly a large whole in the bottom line of restaurants across the US. They turned to having a tipped staff to stay open.

    Sadly, when it was repealed, tipping stayed. It was since inflated from 10% to 15% to now over 20%.

    Some have tried to get rid of it, but sadly it hasn’t worked.

    phillaholic ,

    It dates back further than that. It was a great way to not pay recently freed slaves as much as white people during the Jim Crow south.

    IronDonkey ,

    I mean, you’re paying them either way. Businesses money for salaries comes from customers. It’s still silly and indirect, but it’s not like you wouldn’t be paying the workers’ salary anyway.

    yuunikki ,

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  • kersploosh ,
    @kersploosh@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Without tipping their entirely hourly wage has to come out of what you pay for the meal. Thus the price of your meal will go up to make up for what they used to get in tips.

    IphtashuFitz ,

    Or, maybe, the owners of the restaurant make slightly less profit and pay their employees a living wage.

    There are a small number of restaurants across the US that actually do pay their servers and other employees reasonable hourly rates, and make it clear to patrons that they don’t accept tips. Prices are still reasonable and customers do continue coming back.

    Doug ,

    Or, maybe, the owners of the restaurant make slightly less profit and pay their employees a living wage.

    And maybe landlord start handing over deeds to the people paying their mortgages. But we’re operating in reality and need to consider things that might happen.

    If companies eat the cost of pay increases how will the executives afford that new yacht they’ve been eyeing?

    SJ0 ,

    I know it sounds really easy to get all huffy and self-righteous, but 60% of restaurants do not make it past the first year, and 80% go under in five years.

    It’s hard out there. If the place isn’t making money, everyone loses their job.

    yata ,

    Yeah, but then it shouldn’t really exist as a business in the first place according to the rules of capitalism, should it?

    norbert ,
    @norbert@kbin.social avatar

    Then the menu prices should be raised to pay a livable wage to the staff. If I can't afford it I'll eat at home. Don't lure people in with the promise of one price and then guilt them into subsidizing your payroll off the book.

    Tipping culture needs to go away, it's not the norm elsewhere and it shouldn't be here.

    ImaginaryFox ,

    Yeah, people don't likes hidden charges or surprise fees. It's "optional" but not really if you want to be a part of society.

    ImaginaryFox ,

    I'd rather have that. Why is responsibility of covering wages shifting to the customer? And in return the blame? Sounds like a situation those in charge love, since instead of them being the bad guy they get to say "what an asshole customer right?" it's their fault your take home pay is lower today.

    Hiding behind the customer going darn then it's out of my hands. Don't got money to spare. Then they hop in their expensive car and drive to their expensive home instead of them being the ones to pay a proper wage for their employees.

    Sounds like a misleading system all around.

    yata ,

    And that is how it works in all other civilised countries. One should think it would be possible to work in the US as well.

    PunnyName ,

    Good. Pay workers more.

    _pete_ ,

    As a Brit this seems like such a ridiculous attitude to have.

    When you go out for food you are paying for:

    • Quality ingredients
    • The knowledge and skill of someone to take those ingredients and make a nice meal out of them

    If you’re dining in you also get:

    • A nice place to sit with good lighting and a nice ambiance
    • Someone to bring your food
    • Someone to clean away your dirty dishes

    If you are getting delivery you instead pay for someone to bring it to you.

    The food itself is like 40% of what you’re paying for, the rest is just convenience and atmosphere.

    PunnyName ,

    You’re paying for both.

    c0c0c0 ,

    It hides the true cost of the meal and allows both the employee and the employer to avoid taxes on this part of the “salary”

    derf82 ,

    Disliking tipping is no reason to screw hardworking people over. Tipping is a fact of life, even if you think it’s dumb.

    SpezCanLigmaBalls ,
    @SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world avatar

    But it doesn’t have to be if the employers pay how they should

    Doug ,

    Sure but until they do a lot of those people need tips to get by and it’s far from as easy as “just get a different job”

    Source: used to be one such person

    TheBat ,
    @TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

    Until they do? When is that going to be? When US government makes tipping illegal?

    Iamdanno ,

    With unemployment numbers so low right now, this is actually the time to “just get another job”. In the USA, at least.

    Doug ,

    Have you tried?

    What other job do you get when your experience is tipped work? Or do you go to school to take on debt that will set you back for a long time because the education system is shot too.

    Signtist ,
    @Signtist@lemmy.world avatar

    Ultimately, we need to tip people in the short term to keep them afloat until we can work with them in the long term to get America to the standard that most of the rest of the world takes, where tipping is a special case scenario only for exceptionally good work, and never to be needed or expected.

    rjthyen ,

    I’m always torn on this. I want to tip to help someone earn a living, but if enough of us stopped tipping employees would leave unless they were paid more. It does feel like adding suffering to the wrong people, but if out created change it would be nice eventually

    Quill7513 ,

    A better solution is to flat out not patronize businesses that do tips

    rjthyen ,

    I like eating food though :/

    Quill7513 ,

    There are all manner of grocery stores that sell that

    ChemicalRascal ,
    @ChemicalRascal@kbin.social avatar

    It really doesn't have to be a "fact of life", and it isn't in many places, such as Australia and England -- nations with very similar degrees of economic prosperity, and very similar cultures, to the USA.

    derf82 ,

    People have tried and failed. But my point is, until that time you have to tip. I don’t care for people that don’t tip while arguing they are doing their server a favor. It is a disingenuous attempt to be cheap. A server’s paycheck should not be held hostage to a a war on tipping culture.

    assassin_aragorn ,

    This is a fairly good bellwether to see who’s progressive and who’s a champagne socialist.

    PunnyName ,

    Or, employers could pay their workers better.

    Novel thought, right?

    derf82 ,

    And you think not tipping your server today, before they get those wages, will make that happen?

    Sorry, Mr. Pink. Being an asshole to your server does not make you somehow pro-worker.

    PunnyName ,

    Yes. By not showing up at all.

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    Tipping is dumb, but tipping in Trump propaganda 10x dumb.

    some_guy ,

    10x asshole move, I’d say.

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    Basically like saying “I think tipping sucks and your boss should be rolling your pay into the meal. So I’m not going to tip you. That said, I’m also going to vote for the party that supports your boss offloading employee pay onto customer tips.”

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    vanontom ,
    @vanontom@geddit.social avatar

    That’s way too complicated for them to understand. I’m not joking. We should all be very afraid of their weaponized stupidity. Idiocracy is here.

    blazera ,
    @blazera@kbin.social avatar

    if you're wanting to protest those businesses, you might wanna start with not buying from them in the first place.

    Squizzy ,

    Not always that easy is it, if you want to go out you have to find a place that advertises their no tipping policy. It’s go and don’t tip or stay at home or else take part in a shit system.

    blazera ,
    @blazera@kbin.social avatar

    No, see if you go and dont tip, you're still taking part in the shit system, just with a side of hurtin workers. The owners making just as much money and doesnt need to change what he's doing.

    TheBat ,
    @TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

    No.

    If employees are earning below the minimum wage then the employer has to pay the difference.

    www.dol.gov/…/handy-reference-guide-flsa#3

    So yeah, if anyone’s feeling guilty about not tipping then don’t. This should be a discussion between employees and their employers. Not customers and employees.

    FlyingSquid ,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    If the waiter is only making minimum wage in the U.S., considering what minimum wage is, that makes me feel sorry for them and even more inclined to give them a tip, because no one should have to survive on minimum wage.

    PunnyName ,

    Thing people forget is that the employer will just fire the employee for “lack of performance” or some bullshit.

    There are virtually no worker protections in the US, and, as consumers, we need to stop feeding the greedy beasts that run restaurants.

    And don’t forget, wage theft totals more than all other theft combined: epi.org/…/epidemic-wage-theft-costing-workers-hun…

    Cruxifux ,

    The problem is that not tipping doesn’t punish the people creating the tipping issue, just making the people who are oppressed by it suffer more.

    vrighter ,

    not “could” but “are legally obliged to, by federal law”

    CafecitoHippo ,

    My favorite is restaurant owners being like well if I have to pay them, the food prices will go up. Well if I’m expected to pay 15%-20% on top of what’s priced, why not just make the damn price 20% higher and then I don’t have to cover for your ass.

    FinalRemix ,

    Because it comes from a history of slavery. Pushing it on to you, the customer, to pay the underpaid employee so the boss man doesn’t have to.

    tenitchyfingers , to mildlyinteresting in "Progress"

    Yes. It’s progress indeed.

    somerand0mcat , to lemmyshitpost in The more they censor, bigger it gets
    Willer ,

    oh is it already white pixel time?

    somerand0mcat ,

    yeah, r/place is about to end

    Lix_xD ,

    Feels too soon bruh

    Lix_xD ,

    Feels too soon bruh

    nepenthes ,
    @nepenthes@lemmy.world avatar

    I like that the S is a $

    asunaspersonalasst ,
    @asunaspersonalasst@lemmy.world avatar

    Whoever decided to turn the S into a dollar sign is a fuccin artist wwwwww

    somerand0mcat ,

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